Players opting out or quitting...

[BogeyGolfer]

If a player or player (s) will opt out or quit on their team without good reason...Which to me is a legitimate health concern for the individual or family, then they will "opt out" or quit on the team at half-time or the 4th quarter when you need them. And I saw a lot of this last year especially the second half of the season and the bowl game. For the many of you on here who claim "things are very bad in Vegas" when Cohen fired Joe Moe and hired Leach, the decision was made at that point to clean up the issues at hand. No spring delayed the attrition to the fall. If you don't want to play or do the things necessary to win, then see ya....

[FISHDAWG]

If a player or player (s) will opt out or quit on their team without good reason...Which to me is a legitimate health concern for the individual or family, then they will "opt out" or quit on the team at half-time or the 4th quarter when you need them. And I saw a lot of this last year especially the second half of the season and the bowl game. For the many of you on here who claim "things are very bad in Vegas" when Cohen fired Joe Moe and hired Leach, the decision was made at that point to clean up the issues at hand. No spring delayed the attrition to the fall. If you don't want to play or do the things necessary to win, then see ya....

thanks for those wonderful words of encouragement** ...... you, me, or almost anyone else here has no clue what's going on or causing these guys to leave. If it was just a couple of guys then that's expected - when it's this many there's a reason. Our TRUE inside insiders are silent on what's happening - what makes you think you've got it all figured out? I would rather you just have said that you support our coach in his effort instead of yet ANOTHER derogatory comment / thread towards our players calling them quitters.... you must be related to Todd

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I?m probably opting out on buying season tickets until Cohen is gone... as will a significant number of the fan base.

[ShotgunDawg]

I?m probably opting out on buying season tickets until Cohen is gone... as will a significant number of the fan base.

Even if we start winning?

What do you have against Cohen?

[Cooterpoot]

thanks for those wonderful words of encouragement** ...... you, me, or almost anyone else here has no clue what's going on or causing these guys to leave. If it was just a couple of guys then that's expected - when it's this many there's a reason. Our TRUE inside insiders are silent on what's happening - what makes you think you've got it all figured out? I would rather you just have said that you support our coach in his effort instead of yet ANOTHER derogatory comment / thread towards our players calling them quitters.... you must be related to Todd

Two of the three are quitters. One attempted/threatened to quit multiple times but we kissed his ass and kept him. He threatened to quit under two coaches. Another threatened to as well. The third may be done with ball. If the facts offend someone, I don't care.
The failed drug test guys, well, that's on the players for not following the rules and a stupid policy by the coach. Blame whichever side. The QBs that left wasn't going to play. Don't blame them.
The two that left before the season were different. One had people pushing him to leave and now he's a backup. The other was a drama queen who wouldn't touch the field much if not for injuries at FSU.

[msstate7]

Two of the three are quitters. One attempted/threatened to quit multiple times but we kissed his ass and kept him. He threatened to quit under two coaches. Another threatened to as well. The third may be done with ball. If the facts offend someone, I don't care.

You always seem to evolve back to it's the players fault. I can member you calling this offense garbage not so long ago.

[Cooterpoot]

You always seem to evolve back to it's the players fault. I can member you calling this offense garbage not so long ago.

Only the ones that deserve it. It's actually very few. And I don't like the offense. I don't like that we aren't putting players In a position to help the team. But kids have to follow rules and can't threaten to quit at every difficult turn.

[msstate7]

Only the ones that deserve it. It's actually very few. And I don't like the offense. I don't like that we aren't putting players In a position to help the team. But kids have to follow rules and can't threaten to quit at every difficult turn.

Well, I can't argue with that. May be the first time I've ever said that

[Cooterpoot]

I don't see this as taking one side or the other. There are problems on both sides of the situation. After this season, things should improve- Should.
But it's why I blame Cohen. He didn't have to do this three year rebuild bullshit with a coach that he knew would do this.

[Jack Lambert]

I?m probably opting out on buying season tickets until Cohen is gone... as will a significant number of the fan base.

I am not opting out. I am State fan plain and simple. However the more that do the better chance I have to getting better seats.

[Extendedcab]

I am not opting out. I am State fan plain and simple. However the more that do the better chance I have to getting better seats.

Jack always sees the upside to any bad situation! LOL

[DeltaChicagoDog]

I don't see this as taking one side or the other. There are problems on both sides of the situation. After this season, things should improve- Should.
But it's why I blame Cohen. He didn't have to do this three year rebuild bullshit with a coach that he knew would do this.

Whether it's more JC's fault, bad timing, or a combo of both, it's hard to argue the notion that his department has seemed like a patchwork quilt of f**k ups since he got the gig. Aside from CDM's annual will he/won't he, I got comfortable with that era's stability and above average performance. It seemed to reflect the reliably low-key always good enough sometimes really good culture around Starkville. My days as a student there ended in the early aughts, just prior to the mass hysteria that is social media took hold, so maybe there's always been more drama than most were aware of. But I doubt it.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen spoiled us. He's a great coach who did well, but no championships etc. That speaks to MSU and Starkville, MS as much as anything. We bitched about his recruiting, but he's killing it at FL. Year 3 for him looks really good (even with the A&M hiccup). Leach looks like he's going to recruit as well or better than Dan if his system eventually works (YUGE If). It's just damn hard to win here.
And what if Joe Judge hadn't been offered the Giants job. We might have a little different opinion on Cohen I guess, but he really went way out there with the Leach hire when his top two said no.

[Heydawg]

Who was the other top 2? (Judge and Napier?)

[ShotgunDawg]

Mullen spoiled us. He's a great coach who did well, but no championships etc. That speaks to MSU and Starkville, MS as much as anything. We bitched about his recruiting, but he's killing it at FL. Year 3 for him looks really good (even with the A&M hiccup). Leach looks like he's going to recruit as well or better than Dan if his system eventually works (YUGE If). It's just damn hard to win here.
And what if Joe Judge hadn't been offered the Giants job. We might have a little different opinion on Cohen I guess, but he really went way out there with the Leach hire when his top two said no.

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

[Homedawg]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

Mullen tried here, not to the level JOMO did. JomO busted it and got basically the same results. Mullen's effort puts our current coach's to shame. . ....... We have a limited amount of resources here, we are going to recruit within a 25-35 window on avg I don't care whot the coach is.

[bulldawg28]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

No he's not. In order to pull MSU from the morgue he used plenty of energy and effort.

[FISHDAWG]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

This ... Plus he's not trying to leave Florida yet and probably learned some head coaching lessons about the game, recruiting, and fans as well .... even tho he's still trying fake punts

[R2Dawg]

Mullen spoiled us. He's a great coach who did well, but no championships etc. That speaks to MSU and Starkville, MS as much as anything. We bitched about his recruiting, but he's killing it at FL. Year 3 for him looks really good (even with the A&M hiccup). Leach looks like he's going to recruit as well or better than Dan if his system eventually works (YUGE If). It's just damn hard to win here.
And what if Joe Judge hadn't been offered the Giants job. We might have a little different opinion on Cohen I guess, but he really went way out there with the Leach hire when his top two said no.

Yes Dan a good coach but lets face it, SECE sucks and has for a long time. He may be doing the same as here just not in SECW. SECW is down this year too.

[R2Dawg]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

Harder than he did the last 3 years at MSU that is for sure.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

No harder than he did here his first 5 or 6 years.

[msbulldog]

Mullen's is trying a lot harder at FL. You can tell in his body language & intensity. If never put forth the effort in recruiting here that he is at Florida.

Mullen knew when he was hired he didn't want to be here, it was his opportunity for a HC gig. A stepping stone that's all.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen knew when he was hired he didn't want to be here, it was his opportunity for a HC gig. A stepping stone that's all.

He was here 9 years. He was engaged 6 years. He wanted to be here. This idea of coaches staying somewhere forever is silly talk.

[Percho]

I am not opting out. I am State fan plain and simple. However the more that do the better chance I have to getting better seats.

You forgot to thank him.

[Commercecomet24]

Mullen tried here, not to the level JOMO did. JomO busted it and got basically the same results. Mullen's effort puts our current coach's to shame. . ....... We have a limited amount of resources here, we are going to recruit within a 25-35 window on avg I don't care whot the coach is.

This is truth.

[defiantdog]

I?m probably opting out on buying season tickets until Cohen is gone... as will a significant number of the fan base.
Where are your seats and how many? I'm always looking for a better spot.

[Bothrops]

No harder than he did here his first 5 or 6 years.

Maybe his first 2 here.

[Homedawg]

Maybe his first 2 here.

Just not true... he was trying stupid hard. His ego wouldn't let him not try hard. And if he wanted a better job he HAD to try. Anything else is folk legend. Anyway, people will come to realize 4-4 in the sec isn't so easy...... those that expect more are living a pipe dream.... everyone in our league wants to win!! Everyone! Well maybe vandy doesn't care but we don't get them every year.....

[Todd4State]

Mullen tried here, not to the level JOMO did. JomO busted it and got basically the same results. Mullen's effort puts our current coach's to shame. . ....... We have a limited amount of resources here, we are going to recruit within a 25-35 window on avg I don't care whot the coach is.

You're right about the recruiting ranking- but that's not what I'm worried about or want to see when it comes to our recruiting class. Our class is always going to be lower because we are as Dan said a developmental program meaning we're going to take guys that are three star guys and are raw and can become good with good player development. That and the fact that the recruiting sites half ass evaluate most of our players anyway.

That said- the MOST important thing is because we are a developmental program we HAVE TO make sure we fill out spots in our position groups. Dan was really bad at that. Same difference as Ole Miss signing a bunch of 4 star receivers to get their ranking up while not recruiting any linebackers. We can't afford to do that and it limits our ceiling because our recipe to win is to have upperclassmen at ALL spots. We can't win at a high level with a bunch of freshmen and sophomores playing WR or on the OL or LB or whatever it is. Yeah- we might be able to win 8 games or whatever with some holes by beating four OOC cupcakes and some teams that are down in the SEC- but those freshmen takes their lumps and get exposed big time by the blue bloods. And not saying that covering all our spots will win us a title but it will give us our best chance to beat people like Alabama. That's what happened in 2014.

[Dallas_Dawg]

I?m probably opting out on buying season tickets until Cohen is gone... as will a significant number of the fan base.

It sounds like we won't miss you, you're probably one of those boomers that has aisle seats and gives out the stank eye when having to move for people trying to get by
Also, season ticket sales aren't going to be as good for the next couple years anyway due to covid: the fear of the virus and the fact that the ticket costs aren't probably missed by those who normally get them every year.
Along those same lines, I believe masks are now going to be part of our culture, you may never go into the Walmarts again without seeing at least a couple.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Where are your seats and how many? I'm always looking for a better spot.
Sitting on the 50 in 336....