So where does Hugh end up?

[parabrave]

1. Fla State/ Well do they have enough to buyout their coach? Hugh knows the recruiting down there. He can own Mullen again and he is on 1st name basis with every escort in the state. FSU might get a discount from Hugh on the last item.

2. Michigan. They can afford to buyout Harbaugh and still pay Hugh.

3. Texas. see number 2.

4 Oklahoma. If Lincoln leaves for the NFL this might be the best fit for Hugh. The players are in place. They don't play defense in the Big 12. They are known to "look the other way" when it comes to recruiting and he can always ship in the Florida babes.

[Todd4State]

If I'm him I stay at Liberty. Tons of money and he will be a legend there. I'm not sure how well his Super Christian schtick is going to play at other places plus he has a NCAA history.

So I think he's kind of in a niche market because I can't see Oklahoma taking a chance on him much less Michigan. He's basically black balled from the SEC. So to me that means his options are going to be places like North Carolina at best going forward. At least until Sankey leaves.

[DawgNamedScuba]

Full disclosure had a few drinks but it would be interesting to see him at Penn State or Vandy.

[Todd4State]

I'll add- he has Jackson Prep principle going on there too.

No conference commissioner to deal with.

He can schedule 2-3 SEC/ACC teams a year and focus on beating them and then fill out the rest of the schedule with 8-9 Sun Belt/C-USA teams and a FCS team. Also has BYU that he can schedule too. That's an easy recipe for 8-9 wins a year especially with Liberty's resources. Now that he's starting to beat people like Virginia Tech he'll be able to start attracting some four stars I think.

[bulldawg28]

If I'm him I stay at Liberty. Tons of money and he will be a legend there. I'm not sure how well his Super Christian schtick is going to play at other places plus he has a NCAA history.

So I think he's kind of in a niche market because I can't see Oklahoma taking a chance on him much less Michigan. He's basically black balled from the SEC. So to me that means his options are going to be places like North Carolina at best going forward. At least until Sankey leaves.

You're drunk. Where do you get your logic?

[DownwardDawg]

Liberty

[Cooterpoot]

He just sign an extension last week. Probably stays there this year unless a wealthy school covers two buyouts. Covid is slowing the coaching carousel a little.

[msstate7]

As a miss state fan, I don't want freeze back in the sec. As a college football fan, I want freeze at auburn or Tennessee.

[Matt3467]

If three years down the road we're looking for a coach (i hope we don't have to) I'd take Freeze in a heartbeat. Heck I remember saying in a thread while we were looking for a coach we should look at Freeze.

[Dawgfan77]

If three years down the road we're looking for a coach (i hope we don't have to) I'd take Freeze in a heartbeat. Heck I remember saying in a thread while we were looking for a coach we should look at Freeze.

Might be sooner.... things are coming unraveled. We will be lucky to play another this year. And we owe it all to Cohn and Leach. Things are going very very badly.

[HoopsDawg]

As a miss state fan, I don't want freeze back in the sec. As a college football fan, I want freeze at auburn or Tennessee.

Both would be perfect fits. Especially AU. They would be Top 5 in recruiting every year.

[bulldawg28]

Might be sooner.... things are coming unraveled. We will be lucky to play another this year. And we owe it all to Cohn and Leach. Things are going very very badly.

Not surprised.

[msu15]

Might be sooner.... things are coming unraveled. We will be lucky to play another this year. And we owe it all to Cohn and Leach. Things are going very very badly.

Owe it all to Joe Moorhead

[DownwardDawg]

Might be sooner.... things are coming unraveled. We will be lucky to play another this year. And we owe it all to Cohn and Leach. Things are going very very badly.

It would be a shitshow, but probably best for the long term if this happens. Hire a new AD and a coach that "fits" our recruiting base. Freezes would be just fine with me.

I think he stays at Liberty another year unless sankey allows auburn to hire him.

[DownwardDawg]

As a miss state fan, I don't want freeze back in the sec. As a college football fan, I want freeze at auburn or Tennessee.

This

[parabrave]

Owe it all to Joe Moorhead

Nope owe it all to Cohen.

[Dawgfan77]

Nope owe it all to Cohen.
This. But Leach is running off players he doesn't have too. It's a shit show

[Cowbell]

As a miss state fan, I don't want freeze back in the sec. As a college football fan, I want freeze at auburn or Tennessee.
As a miss. State fan, I want Hugh here...

[msbulldog]

No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.

[msstate7]

No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.

Yeah, not happening here

[Matt3467]

No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.


Yeah, not happening here

Well tbh the same thing was said about Leach.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense

[Dawgfan77]

If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense

Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well

[FISHDAWG]

Well tbh the same thing was said about Leach.

I seriously doubt MSU would hire a guy that they might have had a hand in having investigated.... and should NEVER consider hiring

[Bothrops]

If I were him, I'd want the South Carolina job. SEC, Eastern division, rabid fanbase, big stadium, close to Atlanta, close to North Carolina, not far from north Florida, tons of players to choose from.

[Jack Lambert]

No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.

He ends up back at Ole Miss with full forgiveness for his whoreness and misuse of School Phone.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well

So you're saying we have a good AD waiting at GA Southern for us to call? If he's actually good I'm fine with kicking Cohen to the curb...

https://news.georgiasouthern.edu/2020/03/05/georgia-southern-announces-new-athletic-director/

He definitely should know the lay of the land and have some good ideas to improve things here, BUT he has no hiring record and we have no clue if he'll make good hires. Maybe Keenum or the Cigar Boys have talked to him over the years and can look back on his resume of what coaches he liked, but as a fan he's no better at hiring people or fundraising than any other AD in the Sun Belt

[LC Dawg]

Hugh Freeze and Arch Manning gonna lead Mississippi State to the promised land.***

[msu15]

This. But Leach is running off players he doesn't have too. It's a shit show

It's not but think what you want

[msu15]

Nope owe it all to Cohen.

Moorhead is just as much at fault.

[PGHBulldogBG]

If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense

I never thought JoMo was a great hire. I was so mad when we announced him and not Neal Brown. At that moment I knew Cohen had no idea what he was doing

[Joebob]

I never thought JoMo was a great hire. I was so mad when we announced him and not Neal Brown. At that moment I knew Cohen had no idea what he was doing

The first time I saw JoMo holding a cowbell, my heart sunk. Somehow, I could just tell he wasn't it.

[Todd4State]

So you're saying we have a good AD waiting at GA Southern for us to call? If he's actually good I'm fine with kicking Cohen to the curb...

https://news.georgiasouthern.edu/2020/03/05/georgia-southern-announces-new-athletic-director/

He definitely should know the lay of the land and have some good ideas to improve things here, BUT he has no hiring record and we have no clue if he'll make good hires. Maybe Keenum or the Cigar Boys have talked to him over the years and can look back on his resume of what coaches he liked, but as a fan he's no better at hiring people or fundraising than any other AD in the Sun Belt

That's part of the problem though. We keep hiring AD's that have MSU ties. Can we please hire someone that Greg Byrne has mentored instead of under the LT tree?

[Todd4State]

Hugh Freeze and Arch Manning gonna lead Mississippi State to the promised land.***

If that happens I'll wonder what bizarro planet I landed on.

[msbulldog]

Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well

And you know this because you work in the Athletic Dept. or some where else at the university?

[Dawgfan77]

And you know this because you work in the Athletic Dept. or some where else at the university?

Why don't you get some sources... ask around the board the sentiment is the same. Cohen has to be the smartest man in the room his ego is to big.

[Dawgology]

It would be hi-****ing-larious is we hired Freeze. LMAO!! I?d still despise him but I would definitely cheer for him ironically.

[Extendedcab]

If three years down the road we're looking for a coach (i hope we don't have to) I'd take Freeze in a heartbeat. Heck I remember saying in a thread while we were looking for a coach we should look at Freeze.

Are you serious? You would throw all semblance of ethics and morality out the window to hire Freeze just so we could potentially win FB games? Is this what the world has come to ... win at any expense? Oh my, I hope you don't run your personal life that way!

[BeardoMSU]

If that happens I'll wonder what bizarro planet I landed on.

Insert Tim Burton Planet of the Apes scene where Marky Mark lands in DC to be greeted by an ape-headed Lincoln monument, lol.

[Matt3467]

Are you serious? You would throw all semblance of ethics and morality out the window to hire Freeze just so we could potentially win FB games? Is this what the world has come to ... win at any expense? Oh my, I hope you don't run your personal life that way!

It's football. We wouldn't be hiring for a chaplain. Besides if you think Bama and Clemson (just to name a few) don't cheat then you're very naive. Also if you think Freeze was the only coach, current, past, or future that used women to lure recruits again you'd be wrong. Freeze is a great coach minus the baggage. The only reason he was blackballed is because he was caught (beating Bama nearly 3 years in a row at Ole Miss didn't help his case). If he cut out the escort business I'd love to have him here.

Lastly, touching on another point I made. All the big boys cheat. You're not going to win in college football by playing the morality card. Look at 2010 for a great example.

[FISHDAWG]

It's football. We wouldn't be hiring for a chaplain. Besides if you think Bama and Clemson (just to name a few) don't cheat then you're very naive. Also if you think Freeze was the only coach, current, past, or future that used women to lure recruits again you'd be wrong. Freeze is a great coach minus the baggage. The only reason he was blackballed is because he was caught (beating Bama nearly 3 years in a row at Ole Miss didn't help his case). If he cut out the escort business I'd love to have him here.

Lastly, touching on another point I made. All the big boys cheat. You're not going to win in college football by playing the morality card. Look at 2010 for a great example.

If OM wouldn't hire him back then why should we even consider it? Why stop there - why not Petrino, Hud, or Briles .... I know, Let's bring Bobby Collins out of retirement**

[Matt3467]

If OM wouldn't hire him back then why should we even consider it? Why stop there - why not Petrino, Hud, or Briles .... I know, Let's bring Bobby Collins out of retirement**

All of those coaches with the exception of Briles (although he is coaching HS if you count that) went on to coach at other college programs. Hud retired after giving Austin Peay their best season ever. Petrino did well outside of his last year at Louisville. Freeze is putting together the best season Liberty has ever had.

[Extendedcab]

All of those coaches with the exception of Briles (although he is coaching HS if you count that) went on to coach at other college programs. Hud retired after giving Austin Peay their best season ever. Petrino did well outside of his last year at Louisville. Freeze is putting together the best season Liberty has ever had.

Winning above ethics, that is why the word is so screwed up - GREED!. There is a business ethics book I recommend call "Beyond Integrity". It is a master level business course but is it a good read for the initiated! It is a A Judeo-Christian Approach to Business Ethics! The world would be a far better place if we ALL followed this philosophy!

Oops, I forgot the link to order the book or at least read more about it - http://https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/beyond-integrity-a-judeo-christian-approach-to-business-ethics_scott-b-rae_kenman-l-wong/299240/item/1007834/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=450665973549&pkw=&pmt=&slid=&plc=&pgrid=110661787651&ptaid=pla-1121313270952&gclid=Cj0KCQiA48j9BRC-ARIsAMQu3WSM4_Q8pWyz6hs9vOO5Lgc-bwua78nkhDwlNymLURl8eYzZrgHUfAUaAlL5EALw_wcB#idiq= 1007834&edition=2493669

[Coach34]

I still think Auburn makes a play at Freeze after Gus loses to Bama and A&M. Gus may get a Chinese19 pass but there are alot of people that want him out

[Matt3467]

Winning above ethics, that is why the word is so screwed up - GREED!. There is a business ethics book I recommend call "Beyond Integrity". It is a master level business course but is it a good read for the initiated! It is a A Judeo-Christian Approach to Business Ethics! The world would be a far better place if we ALL followed this philosophy!

Oops, I forgot the link to order the book or at least read more about it - http://https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/beyond-integrity-a-judeo-christian-approach-to-business-ethics_scott-b-rae_kenman-l-wong/299240/item/1007834/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=450665973549&pkw=&pmt=&slid=&plc=&pgrid=110661787651&ptaid=pla-1121313270952&gclid=Cj0KCQiA48j9BRC-ARIsAMQu3WSM4_Q8pWyz6hs9vOO5Lgc-bwua78nkhDwlNymLURl8eYzZrgHUfAUaAlL5EALw_wcB#idiq= 1007834&edition=2493669

I wish college football was devoid of cheating or corruption of any kind but it's not. Show me a championship winning team the last several decades and I'll show you a team that cheats. Dabo may be a great guy and may not even personally be involved in any cheating but Clemson has boosters that see to that I'm sure.

[DownwardDawg]

I still think Auburn makes a play at Freeze after Gus loses to Bama and A&M. Gus may get a Chinese19 pass but there are alot of people that want him out

I agree. I think Freeze ends up at Auburn this year or next. And Sankey won't say crap about it. That's all BS.

[was21]

Some outlaw outfit will hire him..probably Auburn

[Matt3467]

I agree. I think Freeze ends up at Auburn this year or next. And Sankey won't say crap about it. That's all BS.

If Freeze ends up anywhere in the west thats really bad for us. Hopefully he goes to Vandy or USCe if he comes to the SEC.

[Coach34]

If Freeze ends up anywhere in the west thats really bad for us. Hopefully he goes to Vandy or USCe if he comes to the SEC.

Freeze is smart enough not to take the Vandy job.