New bye week

[BuckyIsAB****]

All of you ready to fire Leach after he won a game with 19 freshmen starting and having the worst OL that has ever taken the field for State need to find a new team. Bc expecting a lot with only 7 OL and most of them are brand new or just not any good is just unrealistic.

We got them out of the drop 8 and they kicked our ass up front. That?s what happened. We won bc we didn?t throw any interceptions and our defense is good.

Little less good now with Murphy gone but they won?t quit. JP Purvis will play. Best of luck to Murphy. Won?t speculate too much but I?m pretty sure this is a family issue. Murphy has been a great kid and a winner.

Leach will win here and he will win doing what he does. Remind me how many SEC games Mullen won his first year? Leach doesn?t get Jackson state or MTSU to get easy wins this year. He could win 3 maybe more if we get some OL back and hang on to the ball. If you can?t support Leach, a proven winner then you can?t support anyone

[ShotgunDawg]

All of you ready to fire Leach after he won a game with 19 freshmen starting and having the worst OL that has ever taken the field for State need to find a new team. Bc expecting a lot with only 7 OL and most of them are brand new or just not any good is just unrealistic.

We got them out of the drop 8 and they kicked our ass up front. That?s what happened. We won bc we didn?t throw any interceptions and our defense is good.

Little less good now with Murphy gone but they won?t quit. JP Purvis will play. Best of luck to Murphy. Won?t speculate too much but I?m pretty sure this is a family issue. Murphy has been a great kid and a winner.

Leach will win here and he will win doing what he does. Remind me how many SEC games Mullen won his first year? Leach doesn?t get Jackson state or MTSU to get easy wins this year. He could win 3 maybe more if we get some OL back and hang on to the ball. If you can?t support Leach, a proven winner then you can?t support anyone

Great post.

I just want the season to end at this point so we don't have a recruiting mutiny. We may be starting a ton of FR, but all recruits see is blowouts.

This season has accomplished what we needed & I'm ready for it to end.

I believe Leach will win here as well, but this is getting ridiculous. We need some good news

[Cooterpoot]

I won't be surprised after all the "opt outs" if we shut it down or at least miss another game or two til people are healthy.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And to whoever said Vandy had more out with COVID than we did is a liar bc we were 1 above the threshold. If they were lower it would have been postponed. We will play UGA and we will play hard. If the OL is halfway serviceable we will score.

The vandy game broke the 3-8 myth. Rogers scorched it and they just said the hell with it and came after us

[ShotgunDawg]

And to whoever said Vandy had more out with COVID than we did is a liar bc we were 1 above the threshold. If they were lower it would have been postponed. We will play UGA and we will play hard. If the OL is halfway serviceable we will score.

The vandy game broke the 3-8 myth. Rogers scorched it and they just said the hell with it and came after us

Yes, I responded that poster. He's consistently one of the most ignorant on the board.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Leach is not going to change. He will eventually give will the freedom to check every single play (he has already done it some) and we will run it when the numbers are there to do it. I do agree that we need more variety in the run game but it doesn?t matter how many runs you have if you have the OL we had vs vandy

[Maroonthirteen]

These condescending post make me laugh. "Find a new team......" State has about as many fans as scholarship players available to play.

Dont you worry though. You won't be able to give away a ticket to the Missouri game. But you and 10 others, enjoy yourself.

[HoopsDawg]

And to whoever said Vandy had more out with COVID than we did is a liar bc we were 1 above the threshold. If they were lower it would have been postponed. We will play UGA and we will play hard. If the OL is halfway serviceable we will score.

The vandy game broke the 3-8 myth. Rogers scorched it and they just said the hell with it and came after us

a college football analyst said that Vandy has the worst SEC roster he's seen in at least a decade. We were +5 in turnovers and only won by 7.

[BuckyIsAB****]

These condescending post make me laugh. "Find a new team......" State has about as many fans as scholarship players available to play.

Dont you worry though. You won't be able to give away a ticket to the Missouri game. But you and 10 others, enjoy yourself.

Go coach a little league team, pick the 7 worst ones and them up there in front of your QB , it can be the greatest little league QB of all time, and score. If you can do that we should fire leach and hire you. Bc that is what you are asking of Leach. Never mind taking over for SloMo. Never mind covid (which is overblown for college kids) and never mind everything else he?s had to put up with.

[BuckyIsAB****]

a college football analyst said that Vandy has the worst SEC roster he's seen in at least a decade. We were +5 in turnovers and only won by 7.

And we had the worst OL in DECADES. Plural.

and we won. With 19 freshmen. That DE from vandy will be drafted. Who gives a shit what an analyst says. All of y?all that are done with this offense and leach may seriously need to consider finding a new perfect team with absolutely 0 problems

[BuckyIsAB****]

a college football analyst said that Vandy has the worst SEC roster he's seen in at least a decade. We were +5 in turnovers and only won by 7.

Oh and we got them out of your nightmare drop 8 so y?all can finally leave that dead horse alone. They kicked our ass up front. Period. And we found a way to win

[msu15]

These condescending post make me laugh. "Find a new team......" State has about as many fans as scholarship players available to play.

Dont you worry though. You won't be able to give away a ticket to the Missouri game. But you and 10 others, enjoy yourself.
What a loser post

[BuckyIsAB****]

It is almost like some of y?all who are ready to quit on it are posting it for attention or pats on the back. Just my opinion here no one else?s

[Todd4State]

These condescending post make me laugh. "Find a new team......" State has about as many fans as scholarship players available to play.

Dont you worry though. You won't be able to give away a ticket to the Missouri game. But you and 10 others, enjoy yourself.

It's because if you are a fan and you can't understand what's going on and why then the bitching just becomes counterproductive.

My stance is if you are a fan and can't take a two year- now year and a half rebuild go follow someone else and then come back. Because adding some cute running play with a line that can't block three isn't the answer no matter how many times people scream it.

[Todd4State]

It is almost like some of y?all who are ready to quit on it are posting it for attention or pats on the back. Just my opinion here no one else?s

Well it's a good opinion. I'm sick of our small minded MSU has to do this this way because that's what we do fans

[BuckyIsAB****]

I do not think it is a 2 and half year rebuild. What he is doing is not complicated and the defense is ahead of schedule

[HancockCountyDog]

And we had the worst OL in DECADES. Plural.

and we won. With 19 freshmen. That DE from vandy will be drafted. Who gives a shit what an analyst says. All of y?all that are done with this offense and leach may seriously need to consider finding a new perfect team with absolutely 0 problems

Who other than Brandon Cunningham on the OL didn't have plenty of playing time in the SEC against much tougher teams than Vandy; Eiland has started at OT before, Parker ans Sharp have both started at OG and Cole Smith is our starting C. So we went with one new starter in Brandon Cunninhgam and that is a worse OL than when we had to put a DT at RT in an SEC game?

This is the same Vandy team that every other SEC team has destroyed?

[HancockCountyDog]

Oh and we got them out of your nightmare drop 8 so y?all can finally leave that dead horse alone. They kicked our ass up front. Period. And we found a way to win

Yeah - we won't see that 3-8 again this season.

Care to make a wager on that?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Who other than Brandon Cunningham on the OL didn't have plenty of playing time in the SEC against much tougher teams than Vandy; Eiland has started at OT before, Parker ans Sharp have both started at OG and Cole Smith is our starting C. So we went with one new starter in Brandon Cunninhgam and that is a worse OL than when we had to put a DT at RT in an SEC game?

This is the same Vandy team that every other SEC team has destroyed?

Eiland has been destroyed on this board more times than anyone.
Parker and Sharp are ok. They could not block Arky or UK consistently either and when they did KJ held it for an hour.
There is a reason cole smith left LSU..

Yes it is worse bc we literally had 7 at the game. You go win a game with that and teach us all.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yeah - we won't see that 3-8 again this season.

Care to make a wager on that?

Teach me about the 3-8 and we will bet. We will see it again and if we see it consistently Will will beat it like he did the two drives Vandy stayed in it. The run plays we hit early on were checks by the QB. Leach will never call a run play. Maybe one out of 10. If we run it it?s bc we checked to it. I know 2 QBs who run this system at the highest and next to highest level.

You?ll just have to educate me on the 3-8 from front to back and I?ll concede and take your bet

[BuckyIsAB****]

And if you have one player on the field (especially the OL) who is absolutely lost they are going to make you pay for it. They put their best one (a NFL player) on Cunningham and we paid for it. Until y?all figure out how to execute the OL swap tackle shift he will get us killed again. Nothing against him he has talent and will fight but he is nowhere close to ready. I was really high on him out of HS he is mean nothing against the kid

[Homedawg]

I won't be surprised after all the "opt outs" if we shut it down or at least miss another game or two til people are healthy.

Very possible

[Maroonthirteen]

It's because if you are a fan and you can't understand what's going on and why then the bitching just becomes counterproductive.

My stance is if you are a fan and can't take a two year- now year and a half rebuild go follow someone else and then come back. Because adding some cute running play with a line that can't block three isn't the answer no matter how many times people scream it.

I get the pro-Leach people don't want to hear it. Which is why I didn't even comment on the offense itself.

However, " Go find another team " is genespage smack from 2003.

[R2Dawg]

All of you ready to fire Leach after he won a game with 19 freshmen starting and having the worst OL that has ever taken the field for State need to find a new team. Bc expecting a lot with only 7 OL and most of them are brand new or just not any good is just unrealistic.

We got them out of the drop 8 and they kicked our ass up front. That?s what happened. We won bc we didn?t throw any interceptions and our defense is good.

Little less good now with Murphy gone but they won?t quit. JP Purvis will play. Best of luck to Murphy. Won?t speculate too much but I?m pretty sure this is a family issue. Murphy has been a great kid and a winner.

Leach will win here and he will win doing what he does. Remind me how many SEC games Mullen won his first year? Leach doesn?t get Jackson state or MTSU to get easy wins this year. He could win 3 maybe more if we get some OL back and hang on to the ball. If you can?t support Leach, a proven winner then you can?t support anyone

Little sensitive it seems. I don't think many are saying fire him now, some are, but many like myself can see the writing on the wall and we see suck for several years before it plays out and Leach flames out. For MSU sake, I hope he figures something out but this I am the hammer and everything is the nail attitude Leach displays ain't going to get it done. Croom career in his future if he stays the course. I said the same thing when Croom was here.

[bulldawg28]

Yes, I responded that poster. He's consistently one of the most ignorant on the board.

Hey bi polar kid. Don't come on here crying when Ole Miss skull drags us. I know you care about that game. I'm willing to bet you Leach won't beat Kiffin for the foreseeable future.

[bulldawg28]

And if you have one player on the field (especially the OL) who is absolutely lost they are going to make you pay for it. They put their best one (a NFL player) on Cunningham and we paid for it. Until y?all figure out how to execute the OL swap tackle shift he will get us killed again. Nothing against him he has talent and will fight but he is nowhere close to ready. I was really high on him out of HS he is mean nothing against the kid

Just an FYI for you, Qb play is terrible too. We've scored more consistently running the football than passing since the 1st game. Will ain't it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Just an FYI for you, Qb play is terrible too. We've scored more consistently running the football than passing since the 1st game. Will ain't it.

Hold on so the air raid has scored more running the ball than we have throwing it? But we?ve thrown it 10x more than we?ve run it? How in the Sam hell does that make sense?

FYI for you, if you move the ball down the field passing it, then score from the 3 on a run it doesn?t mean you run the ball more consistently than you throw it.

And you guys are the ones educating us about the impenetrable drop 8...

[BuckyIsAB****]

One Qb leads the nation in interceptions, the other leads the nation in TD passes taken from him bc his WR won?t fight for the ball. Which one would you rather have? One is 1-0 as a starter. The other didn?t even dress out on Saturday. Lets take a survey of who would start who...

Will is by far the best we have and will be for a while unless the Robertson kid is unbelievable. Y?all crack me up on one hand we bash Will for being a Fr and say Leach don?t play Fr QBs, but then he?s just gonna toss Robertson in there...who will be a Fr QB...

Y?all surely are not this slow

[Todd4State]

I get the pro-Leach people don't want to hear it. Which is why I didn't even comment on the offense itself.

However, " Go find another team " is genespage smack from 2003.

I don't give a shit if it sounds like Genespage or not.

I'm saying for those to place their anger in the right direction- Dan's recruiting and Moorhead's culture and not the guy who has had six games to try to fix it. It's very obvious why our problems are what they are- and if those people aren't smart enough to process that then they need to go follow someone else for a little while.

And if they want to be mad at Cohen that's fine too and legit since he hired Moorhead. But that's not Leach's fault either.

[Todd4State]

Little sensitive it seems. I don't think many are saying fire him now, some are, but many like myself can see the writing on the wall and we see suck for several years before it plays out and Leach flames out. For MSU sake, I hope he figures something out but this I am the hammer and everything is the nail attitude Leach displays ain't going to get it done. Croom career in his future if he stays the course. I said the same thing when Croom was here.

Why is every coach compared to Croom here? Leach has a track record of success and taking a couple of years to get it going. Croom was fired by the Lions as OC and never had a track record of success other than developing linebacker and running backs. The other was one of the major developers of one of the greatest offense in football history that has strains that have reached the NFL. Completely different animals. Croom was over ten years ago- you might as well compare him to Shira.

[bulldawg28]

Hold on so the air raid has scored more running the ball than we have throwing it? But we?ve thrown it 10x more than we?ve run it? How in the Sam hell does that make sense?

FYI for you, if you move the ball down the field passing it, then score from the 3 on a run it doesn?t mean you run the ball more consistently than you throw it.

And you guys are the ones educating us about the impenetrable drop 8...

I haven't made a comment about dropping eight. However, only an insane person thinks Leach has figured it out but he needs different players to beat it. Those different players would include your Qb.

[bulldawg28]

One Qb leads the nation in interceptions, the other leads the nation in TD passes taken from him bc his WR won?t fight for the ball. Which one would you rather have? One is 1-0 as a starter. The other didn?t even dress out on Saturday. Lets take a survey of who would start who...

Will is by far the best we have and will be for a while unless the Robertson kid is unbelievable. Y?all crack me up on one hand we bash Will for being a Fr and say Leach don?t play Fr QBs, but then he?s just gonna toss Robertson in there...who will be a Fr QB...

Y?all surely are not this slow

Your Qb needed 5 turnovers, a short field, and the worst defense in the conference to score 24 points. And half of those points he wasn't a factor. He's no savior and will be fighting to keep his job the remainder of this year and for playing time for the foreseeable future.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We suck and will continue to suck... for a long time

[BuckyIsAB****]

Your Qb needed 5 turnovers, a short field, and the worst defense in the conference to score 24 points. And half of those points he wasn't a factor. He's no savior and will be fighting to keep his job the remainder of this year and for playing time for the foreseeable future.

My QB? I thought he was the starting QB for Mississippi State not me? Move the goalposts. If it was Shrader you and others would still be writing songs about the victory over mighty vandy. How was the starting Qb not a factor? Who the hell was then? All 11 have to do their job for a play to be successful

[BuckyIsAB****]

Again, we won bc we did not turn the ball over, (credit to Will) and we played well on defense when we had to. With 19 freshmen. No other team in the country is facing that .

From now on 28 can only celebrate when HIS QB is in the game. Not Will

[BuckyIsAB****]

I haven't made a comment about dropping eight. However, only an insane person thinks Leach has figured it out but he needs different players to beat it. Those different players would include your Qb.

He beat it for 2 straight drives and 14 consecutive points before they got out of It. The ones that preach drop 8 on here don?t know enough ball to bitch about it IMO. All y?all do is go with the narrative.

[HancockCountyDog]

He beat it for 2 straight drives and 14 consecutive points before they got out of It. The ones that preach drop 8 on here don?t know enough ball to bitch about it IMO. All y?all do is go with the narrative.

The fact that he beat Vandy's 3-8 is no surprise those of us who think that Leach has struggled with it. Vandy doesn't have the athletes to play it. Most of the teams on our schedule do.

I hope you are right, but teams with athletes that play the 3-8 stop Leach's offense. If you don't believe me, go back and watch any apple cup, Kentucky, Arkansas and A&M games. Especially the Kentucky game, good lord that was embarrassing;

[bulldawg28]

He beat it for 2 straight drives and 14 consecutive points before they got out of It. The ones that preach drop 8 on here don?t know enough ball to bitch about it IMO. All y?all do is go with the narrative.

Lol, 2 drives and he's beaten it? We play 4 qtrs. What happened the remainder of the game? Terrible offense is what happened.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The fact that he beat Vandy's 3-8 is no surprise those of us who think that Leach has struggled with it. Vandy doesn't have the athletes to play it. Most of the teams on our schedule do.

I hope you are right, but teams with athletes that play the 3-8 stop Leach's offense. If you don't believe me, go back and watch any apple cup, Kentucky, Arkansas and A&M games. Especially the Kentucky game, good lord that was embarrassing;

What was our turnover difference in the Arky and UK games

[BuckyIsAB****]

And A&M while we are at it. Do not forget blocked punts

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lol, 2 drives and he's beaten it? We play 4 qtrs. What happened the remainder of the game? Terrible offense is what happened.

We did not see the drop 8 much after that. We got pressure especially on 2nd down

[bulldawg28]

We did not see the drop 8 much after that. We got pressure especially on 2nd down

And your point is? .....The offense didn't adjust, terrible offensive play. They did nothing that we haven't already played or seen on film for them.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And your point is? .....The offense didn't adjust, terrible offensive play. They did nothing that we haven't already played or seen on film for them.

That is just not true. My point was as you know the boogey man drop 8 is not Leach kyptonite. OLs who are out matched are

[HancockCountyDog]

That is just not true. My point was as you know the boogey man drop 8 is not Leach kyptonite. OLs who are out matched are

The drop 8 with athletes is a problem for him. The fact that you won't admit that makes the rest of your posts simply meaningless.

[HancockCountyDog]

What was our turnover difference in the Arky and UK games

Of course that is why we lost - but we put up under 300 yards against Kentucky and close to 200 yards against A&M . It is way different to move the ball all over the field and simply turn it over. We have struggled to move the ball against teams with athletes that play the 3-8. That really can't be disputed at this point.

Maybe Leach has figured it out and we won't see it again, but that seems unlikely.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If y?all think that the man has won 11 games twice and all these awards but there is some magical defense out there that he has no answer for, you are as hardheaded as you think I am.

I want the drop 8 experts to explain it for me since it?s so great why don?t we run it? What are we getting that is giving us problems? What kind of front is it? And I do not mean just a 3 man I mean what techs? What kind of coverage is it? I do not mean just 8 guys in coverage is it 1? 2? Man free? Quarters? Rip liz match? Cloud? Put your money where your mouth is

[FISHDAWG]

I don't give a shit if it sounds like Genespage or not.

I'm saying for those to place their anger in the right direction- Dan's recruiting and Moorhead's culture and not the guy who has had six games to try to fix it. It's very obvious why our problems are what they are- and if those people aren't smart enough to process that then they need to go follow someone else for a little while.

And if they want to be mad at Cohen that's fine too and legit since he hired Moorhead. But that's not Leach's fault either.
You do nothing but insult MSU fans here .... at what point are you willing to acknowledge Leach has some skin in these glaring issues ? .... Are you saying he has no faults or there is absolutely nothing he can do as the head coach to influence the performance NOW.... other than to run players off ?
You need to quit insulting the fans

[bulldawg28]

If y?all think that the man has won 11 games twice and all these awards but there is some magical defense out there that he has no answer for, you are as hardheaded as you think I am.

I want the drop 8 experts to explain it for me since it?s so great why don?t we run it? What are we getting that is giving us problems? What kind of front is it? And I do not mean just a 3 man I mean what techs? What kind of coverage is it? I do not mean just 8 guys in coverage is it 1? 2? Man free? Quarters? Rip liz match? Cloud? Put your money where your mouth is

We won't run a 3 -8 because SEC coaches will run the football with elite backs and the game is over. I can definitely get technical with you but it doesn't matter what's happening on the back end if all you have to do is put a hat on a hat. Sheer numbers in the box will get you 4/5 yards a carry.

[HancockCountyDog]

If y?all think that the man has won 11 games twice and all these awards but there is some magical defense out there that he has no answer for, you are as hardheaded as you think I am.

I want the drop 8 experts to explain it for me since it?s so great why don?t we run it? What are we getting that is giving us problems? What kind of front is it? And I do not mean just a 3 man I mean what techs? What kind of coverage is it? I do not mean just 8 guys in coverage is it 1? 2? Man free? Quarters? Rip liz match? Cloud? Put your money where your mouth is

Here is a great article where UW's coach talked about Leach's offense:

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/once-again-huskies-show-cougars-whos-boss-in-battle-of-defensive-might-vs-offensive-flash/

I know that Washington ran exclusively zone, and i know Arkansas mixed their coverage on the back end, but ran mostly cover 3 little to no man from memory.

Here is the overall point - teams that are successful against Leach rush 3 and drop 8 into some type of coverage. I don't care if its Quarters, Cloud, man, press zone, cover 2, cover 4 or even cover 6. They are dropping 8 into coverage and rushing 3. That pre-snap defensive look has caused him problems.

If you can't admit that, then we really can't discuss anything further.

[Homedawg]

Here is a great article where UW's coach talked about Leach's offense:

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/once-again-huskies-show-cougars-whos-boss-in-battle-of-defensive-might-vs-offensive-flash/

I know that Washington ran exclusively zone, and i know Arkansas mixed their coverage on the back end, but ran mostly cover 3 little to no man from memory.

Here is the overall point - teams that are successful against Leach rush 3 and drop 8 into some type of coverage. I don't care if its Quarters, Cloud, man, press zone, cover 2, cover 4 or even cover 6. They are dropping 8 into coverage and rushing 3. That pre-snap defensive look has caused him problems.

If you can't admit that, then we really can't discuss anything further.

Going off the article, if a team can rush 3 and still sack him 5 times, your probably gonna have trouble on offense. Same tend we are having.

[HoopsDawg]

Going off the article, if a team can rush 3 and still sack him 5 times, your probably gonna have trouble on offense. Same tend we are having.

That's really what you took from the article? Man, some of you guys want to believe in Leach so badly that you are either blind, deaf or dumb.

We are going to continue having trouble blocking 3 with 5 for as long as Leach is our coach b/c our OT's are one on one against Grown Men. Our receivers aren't open early b/c 8 guys are in coverage, and they are getting pressure when they rush 4 b/c no one has to play the run or respect the QB run. This issue never went away against Washington and it's not going away until Leach adapts. Leach hasn't adapted in 30 years so it's foolish to expect him to adjust now.

[Homedawg]

That's really what you took from the article? Man, some of you guys want to believe in Leach so badly that you are either blind, deaf or dumb.

We are going to continue having trouble blocking 3 with 5 for as long as Leach is our coach b/c our OT's are one on one against Grown Men. Our receivers aren't open early b/c 8 guys are in coverage, and they are getting pressure when they rush 4 b/c no one has to play the run or respect the QB run. This issue never went away against Washington and it's not going away until Leach adapts. Leach hasn't adapted in 30 years so it's foolish to expect him to adjust now.

Well it's pretty clear it said that.... the other take would be leach won't change. Which I'm well aware of and states multiple times.

[HancockCountyDog]

Going off the article, if a team can rush 3 and still sack him 5 times, your probably gonna have trouble on offense. Same tend we are having.

Yeah - but that is the point.

Unless we move conferences, we are going to face teams that can occasionally get pressure rushing 3, especially if we throw 40-50 times a game.

The SEC is known for its pass rushers. I don?t see this changing anytime soon.

Also, it?s harder to recruit elite pass blocking OL in the SEC. What we have been successful is recruiting road graders, where it?s easier to run block than pass block 40-50 times.

Look, let?s be clear, I want Leach to be successful. He is funny as hell and seems like a good dude. We also owe him a ton of money, so he isn?t going anywhere. I just want him to get back in the lab and account for the improvement in defensive talent that he is going to face moving forward. I?m genuinely hoping he does it.

[HoopsDawg]

Well it's pretty clear it said that.... the other take would be leach won't change. Which I'm well aware of and states multiple times.

So you are in agreement with me that we are screwed.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Why is every coach compared to Croom here? Leach has a track record of success and taking a couple of years to get it going. Croom was fired by the Lions as OC and never had a track record of success other than developing linebacker and running backs. The other was one of the major developers of one of the greatest offense in football history that has strains that have reached the NFL. Completely different animals. Croom was over ten years ago- you might as well compare him to Shira.

Comparing anyone to Croom is really silly. We have had some Croom type offensive performances so far, but this hasn't been the typical season either. We have a team full of guys ready to quit, no spring practice, brand new offense, no scheduled consistency etc. It has been rough sledding for Leach, but his track record makes one think that we will improve. We were still this bad in Croom's third year. Also, he was an NFL running back's coach that had no business being a head college football coach. If it doesn't work out here for Leach, he will certainly get another head coaching job somewhere. Croom never got that chance for good reason.

[Homedawg]

So you are in agreement with me that we are screwed.

I didn't like the hire when we made it. But it was due to recruiting moreso than offense. We shall see how recruiting plays out. Obviously, anyone w eyes can see at present the offense isn't working yet. But he's always won where he's been. The guy isn't stupid. He's thought of everything, trust me. Will it work here? I don't know. But we can't punt now. No way.

[Todd4State]

You do nothing but insult MSU fans here .... at what point are you willing to acknowledge Leach has some skin in these glaring issues ? .... Are you saying he has no faults or there is absolutely nothing he can do as the head coach to influence the performance NOW.... other than to run players off ?
You need to quit insulting the fans

Look, I'm sure there are things Leach could do better. He's even admitted that in his last press conference that he should have been harder on our guys to try to move them along quicker. Just like there are things that Dan and Jackie could have done better too.

BUT what's the context in this current situation?

For example- I defended Hevesy's recruiting for three or four years before it became apparent that he sucked at recruiting. That's REASONABLE because it gave him the fair opportunity to show what he could or couldn't do. I defended Dan's recruiting after the Army AA debacle for about the same amount of time.

The CONTEXT of our situation is unfortunately whether we like it or not this is indeed a rebuild and would probably be one no matter who the coach is. Fans can't sit here and say and acknowledge that there were culture and discipline issues and then when we bring in a coach- Leach- to clean it up and he does bitch about how hard he is on the players and a few leave the team because of it.

How many times did fans talk about there having to be a learning curve in the offseason- and now that we're having one some are pissed and want the coach fired? I mean- IF that's the case they're not emotionally mature enough or have the common sense to weather a rebuild and so yes- go follow another team for a couple of years.

How much evidence is out there that Leach takes a couple of years to get his players in? A lot. It's out there at two stops now. That doesn't mean that Leach will 100% work here- but what it definitely means is that our fans should at least wait two years to see instead of jumping off the bridge after six games.

And then we win the LSU game and set SEC records- but then at the first sign of trouble- the meatheads "We gotta run the ball" crowd comes out after crickets in game one. It just wreaks of agenda- and that attitude starts to permeate and then we end up getting left behind in this modern era of football while digging ourselves an even deeper and deeper hole. We've already got the "We'll never recruit the players we need" agenda brewing- all the while we have a four star QB and two four star WR's who are all out of state guys- and another in state WR that is pretty close to a four star and might be one now if it weren't for injuries.

I'm angry at some of our fans because their comments do more harm than good. I don't like the situation any more than anyone else- but I was very vocal about MSU making a mistake by not telling Dan to go to Maryland in 2015. It resulted in poor recruiting and we just stood in place as a program for two years. Those players are seniors now and I've shown how bad those classes were and we're paying for that. And then Joe hurt us tremendously and much moreso than Dan. That's why I am pointing most of my blame towards them and Stricklin and Cohen as well. Hiring Leach was the first positive step in the right direction in about five years. The offense has struggled- but the defense, special teams, and overall culture has improved already. And based on Leach's track record and the fact that our offense is mostly freshmen and sophomores that we will improve there in time as well.

[Todd4State]

Comparing anyone to Croom is really silly. We have had some Croom type offensive performances so far, but this hasn't been the typical season either. We have a team full of guys ready to quit, no spring practice, brand new offense, no scheduled consistency etc. It has been rough sledding for Leach, but his track record makes one think that we will improve. We were still this bad in Croom's third year. Also, he was an NFL running back's coach that had no business being a head college football coach. If it doesn't work out here for Leach, he will certainly get another head coaching job somewhere. Croom never got that chance for good reason.

I agree. Leach is a Hall of Fame football coach no matter what happens here. Right now I would say he is a lot more comparable to Emory Bellard. Both innovated football offense. Both took over MSU teams that had misfits on the offensive side of the ball- Bellard went 3-8 his first year and the scores were usually not pretty in 1979.