Is this the same as "pounding sand?

[basedog]

Leach said about Msu fans....

But, you know, those that aren?t onboard are impatient. Maybe they can select another team or maybe they can go coach their own team and I think that you can evaluate how their team does and see how it all shakes out.?

HailState!!!!

[Bodawg]

I think it's more like kicking conch shells or walking the plank.

[Johnson85]

Leach said about Msu fans....

But, you know, those that aren?t onboard are impatient. Maybe they can select another team or maybe they can go coach their own team and I think that you can evaluate how their team does and see how it all shakes out.?

HailState!!!!

Yup. Just as bad. He could have and should have stopped after the statement that the coaches and players were even mroe frustrated than the fans.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach said about Msu fans....

But, you know, those that aren?t onboard are impatient. Maybe they can select another team or maybe they can go coach their own team and I think that you can evaluate how their team does and see how it all shakes out.?

HailState!!!!

Just means that he doesn't give a 17 what you think & he believes in what he's doing. He may be right.

[basedog]

Just means that he doesn't give a 17 what you think & he believes in what he's doing. He may be right.

LOL Gun, I know you are all in but I also love Msu probably more than Leach. It's all about his ego and money!

His statement a kiss of death for a Coach, he better gert it going before his contract runs out, he ain't worth $5 million.

[bulldawg28]

LOL Gun, I know you are all in but I also love Msu probably more than Leach. It's all about his ego and money!

His statement a kiss of death for a Coach, he better gert it going before his contract runs out, he ain't worth $5 million.

Yeah, that statement starting his clock to retirement big time. You don't blame the storm when you're the captain that decided to go against the waves. The fact is the SEC is a monster for unprepared and no adjustment coaches. After Ole Miss beats us he'll say something else stupid that officially puts him in the hot seat.

[ShotgunDawg]

LOL Gun, I know you are all in but I also love Msu probably more than Leach. It's all about his ego and money!

His statement a kiss of death for a Coach, he better gert it going before his contract runs out, he ain't worth $5 million.

Too early to say this about a coach that's won for 20 years

[Quaoarsking]

So not only do you start yet another thread about a quote that's been discussed multiple times, you remove the accompanying sentences where he was complimentary and thankful to the fans.

Who needs rivals when our own fans do stuff like this?

[smootness]

Leach is a proven winner and I still believe that given time, he will win here.

But that trust is slipping some, and that statement is just dumb and defensive. I hated it from Moorhead and I hate it from Leach.

[FISHDAWG]

Leach is a proven winner and I still believe that given time, he will win here.

But that trust is slipping some, and that statement is just dumb and defensive. I hated it from Moorhead and I hate it from Leach.

This ... I'm willing to give him his three years unless he starts this BS of insulting the fans .... he needs to understand what we have already suffered through and not push us around

[ZedFedder]

If you read the whole quote, it isn't nearly as bad as this stand alone quote sounds.

[Maroonthirteen]

I'm still trying to figure out the breakfast analogy. I mean.... the chicken is just as committed as the pig at my breakfast table.

I gather he wants to call the fans, clucking hens but politely.

[R2Dawg]

LOL Gun, I know you are all in but I also love Msu probably more than Leach. It's all about his ego and money!

His statement a kiss of death for a Coach, he better gert it going before his contract runs out, he ain't worth $5 million.

Dead on. He doesn't give a rats behind about MSU, only himself with a comment like that. We can not tolerate that type attitude towards MSU and the True Maroon Nation. He will not win with that approach. I thought we were done with that When Moorhead left. Cohen made a major screw up of this hire.

[Dawgology]

I'm still trying to figure out the breakfast analogy. I mean.... the chicken is just as committed as the pig at my breakfast table.

I gather he wants to call the fans, clucking hens but politely.

Chicken lays the eggs to scramble pig dies to make bacon

[msbulldog]

I checked my piggy bank and I didn't have quite enough to write that check.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Leach is a proven winner and I still believe that given time, he will win here.

But that trust is slipping some, and that statement is just dumb and defensive. I hated it from Moorhead and I hate it from Leach.

Hate it all you want, they both may be right.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dead on. He doesn't give a rats behind about MSU, only himself with a comment like that. We can not tolerate that type attitude towards MSU and the True Maroon Nation. He will not win with that approach. I thought we were done with that When Moorhead left. Cohen made a major screw up of this hire.

Yeah, overreact much? Maybe just maybe our fans need to get their heads out of tgeir asses.

[basedog]

So not only do you start yet another thread about a quote that's been discussed multiple times, you remove the accompanying sentences where he was complimentary and thankful to the fans.

Who needs rivals when our own fans do stuff like this?

Never say it on ED, also I just asking a damn question! Relax man.

[Matt3467]

So not only do you start yet another thread about a quote that's been discussed multiple times, you remove the accompanying sentences where he was complimentary and thankful to the fans.

Who needs rivals when our own fans do stuff like this?

Preach!

[Matt3467]

People will pick apart what suits their preferences and throw the rest in the wind. Sounds like our media today. I like the attitude Leach brings and I hope and believe that it will bring results eventually. If Moorhead did one thing it was reveal just how many thin skinned fans we have.

[Bothrops]

I do not get the least bit offended by these type of coach comments. It's weird to me. You can't be this thin skinned.

[Fader21]

We are on the verge of really not getting a good coach because of fans being impatient. Joe Moorhead was well respected in the coaching ranks. Leach is a winner everywhere he goes. If we continue to want to let coaches go because they are scrutinized by calling out impatient fans then we will only be able to get just okay coaches. I am more than fine with waiting to let Leach get his players and win big here. Some of y'all have the win now attitude way to much knowing we don't have the team to compete with Bama /UGA/Florida this year

[Fader21]

I do not get the least bit offended by these type of coach comments. It's weird to me. You can't be this thin skinned.

This!

[R2Dawg]

I do not get the least bit offended by these type of coach comments. It's weird to me. You can't be this thin skinned.

Who is being thin skinned? A power 5 HC can't handle a few fans well informed criticism? It is justified we are dead last in O. If Leach don't like it then do something about it besides attacking your fan base who is paying your salary. We've only said what the football experts have said as well. I think you got the wrong party being thin skinned.

Second point is who has followed MSU for 20, 30, 40 even 60 years? Not Leach so for him to tell those loyal fanbase to kiss off is a massive insult. I've never heard of a coach doing that and we've had two in a year do it. Unreal.

[Matt3467]

Who is being thin skinned? A power 5 HC can't handle a few fans well informed criticism? It is justified we are dead last in O. If Leach don't like it then do something about it besides attacking your fan base who is paying your salary. We've only said what the football experts have said as well. I think you got the wrong party being thin skinned.

Second point is who has followed MSU for 20, 30, 40 even 60 years? Not Leach so for him to tell those loyal fanbase to kiss off is a massive insult. I've never heard of a coach doing that and we've had two in a year do it. Unreal.

This is a great example of someone that can't take criticism.

Leach didn't "attack" the fan base. Good grief. Also he didn't randomly say the things he did either. He was asked what he thought about fans that basically weren't happy.

[Bothrops]

Who is being thin skinned? A power 5 HC can't handle a few fans well informed criticism? It is justified we are dead last in O. If Leach don't like it then do something about it besides attacking your fan base who is paying your salary. We've only said what the football experts have said as well. I think you got the wrong party being thin skinned.

Second point is who has followed MSU for 20, 30, 40 even 60 years? Not Leach so for him to tell those loyal fanbase to kiss off is a massive insult. I've never heard of a coach doing that and we've had two in a year do it. Unreal.

Go sledge some parking stones.

[Todd4State]

We are on the verge of really not getting a good coach because of fans being impatient. Joe Moorhead was well respected in the coaching ranks. Leach is a winner everywhere he goes. If we continue to want to let coaches go because they are scrutinized by calling out impatient fans then we will only be able to get just okay coaches. I am more than fine with waiting to let Leach get his players and win big here. Some of y'all have the win now attitude way to much knowing we don't have the team to compete with Bama /UGA/Florida this year

It's also not a good look at all for us considering Joe's offense has looked good so far at Oregon. And yes, I know it's not "his" but he is installing it, coaching it, and making play calls out of it- and without question the RPO's are his. And on top of that Leach's offense worked at Texas Tech and Washington State- schools hardly comparable.

The crazy thing about some MSU fans- they'll get on a message board or Twitter and say "I know there will be a learning curve and adjustments" and then flip out when it isn't perfect.

[Cowbell]

It's also not a good look at all for us considering Joe's offense has looked good so far at Oregon. And yes, I know it's not "his" but he is installing it, coaching it, and making play calls out of it- and without question the RPO's are his. And on top of that Leach's offense worked at Texas Tech and Washington State- schools hardly comparable.

The crazy thing about some MSU fans- they'll get on a message board or Twitter and say "I know there will be a learning curve and adjustments" and then flip out when it isn't perfect.
There is a major difference in perfect and the most incompetent offense in all of P5 football.

[Matt3467]

It's also not a good look at all for us considering Joe's offense has looked good so far at Oregon. And yes, I know it's not "his" but he is installing it, coaching it, and making play calls out of it- and without question the RPO's are his. And on top of that Leach's offense worked at Texas Tech and Washington State- schools hardly comparable.

The crazy thing about some MSU fans- they'll get on a message board or Twitter and say "I know there will be a learning curve and adjustments" and then flip out when it isn't perfect.

Yes!

I've wondered the same myself which is why I was very interested to watch Oregon play this past weekend. I'll continue to keep an eye on them as well for that reason. I don't think Barkley was the only reason Joe did well before at Penn St. Maybe he's just not HC material but on the other hand we have a proven commodity in Leach and I believe he's made it pretty clear our problem has been players that aren't committed. It's his record that gives me hope we will get better. If he didn't have that then I wouldn't be as patient.

[Todd4State]

There is a major difference in perfect and the most incompetent offense in all of P5 football.

There is also a major difference in perfect and impossible.

We have fans that just move the goal posts especially when they are proven wrong.

Jackie- "Well, we beat Alabama, Florida, etc. but I just can't look past that loss to ULM."
Croom- "Well we beat Florida and Auburn but I just can't look past that loss to Maine."
Dan- "Well, we beat LSU but I just can't look past that loss to South Alabama".
Joe- "Well, we beat Auburn but I just can't look past that loss to Kentucky".

Our fans are the WORST at forgiving the coach. Do you ever hear Alabama fans say crap like that about Saban losing to ULM? Even this past week we had fans on here chomping at the bit- "If Leach loses to Vanderbilt he could lose the fanbase!"

Our fans act like we are supposed to be immune to having bad losses and those aren't acceptable and then in the same breath will say "Well, we're Mississippi State and it's just impossible to recruit well here." So which is it? Are we infallible or are we a small market SEC team? Whatever your opinion is we can't be both at the time same time.

As far as our team this year- we're in year one and game six while starting a freshman QB and an o-line ravaged by COVID. We all know about the culture issues under Joe. We all know about Dan's poor recruiting. Basically that's caught up to us and then add all of the weirdness and an all-SEC schedule and this is what you get. We're a developmental program starting mostly freshmen and sophomores on both sides of the ball- that's a recipe for a bad season for us. But what's crazy is AGAIN our fans will in the offseason say "I know it's going to be rough..." and then when it gets rough they get pissed off. That's why Leach is right- if you KNOW that this is a rebuild and get pissed off about it just follow someone else. You can always come back later when it's better and you can handle it better. There is nothing wrong with that.

[Todd4State]

Yes!

I've wondered the same myself which is why I was very interested to watch Oregon play this past weekend. I'll continue to keep an eye on them as well for that reason. I don't think Barkley was the only reason Joe did well before at Penn St. Maybe he's just not HC material but on the other hand we have a proven commodity in Leach and I believe he's made it pretty clear our problem has been players that aren't committed. It's his record that gives me hope we will get better. If he didn't have that then I wouldn't be as patient.

Joe will essentially be our Coach O I think. He will probably be hired by someone else in the PAC 12, Big 10, or ACC where his laid back style will work better and he will have the experience of being with us plus I think his offense will continue to evolve having been around Christobal. He will probably do OK too. Probably won't win a National Title unless he ends up at Penn State but let's be honest- his record on paper isn't bad unlike Coach O at the time before LSU hired him. And the culture issues could easily be written off as inexperience plus taking over a team of bad apples.

[TUSK]

There is also a major difference in perfect and impossible.

We have fans that just move the goal posts especially when they are proven wrong.

Jackie- "Well, we beat Alabama, Florida, etc. but I just can't look past that loss to ULM."
Croom- "Well we beat Florida and Auburn but I just can't look past that loss to Maine."
Dan- "Well, we beat LSU but I just can't look past that loss to South Alabama".
Joe- "Well, we beat Auburn but I just can't look past that loss to Kentucky".

Our fans are the WORST at forgiving the coach. Do you ever hear Alabama fans say crap like that about Saban losing to ULM? Even this past week we had fans on here chomping at the bit- "If Leach loses to Vanderbilt he could lose the fanbase!"

Our fans act like we are supposed to be immune to having bad losses and those aren't acceptable and then in the same breath will say "Well, we're Mississippi State and it's just impossible to recruit well here." So which is it? Are we infallible or are we a small market SEC team? Whatever your opinion is we can't be both at the time same time.

As far as our team this year- we're in year one and game six while starting a freshman QB and an o-line ravaged by COVID. We all know about the culture issues under Joe. We all know about Dan's poor recruiting. Basically that's caught up to us and then add all of the weirdness and an all-SEC schedule and this is what you get. We're a developmental program starting mostly freshmen and sophomores on both sides of the ball- that's a recipe for a bad season for us. But what's crazy is AGAIN our fans will in the offseason say "I know it's going to be rough..." and then when it gets rough they get pissed off. That's why Leach is right- if you KNOW that this is a rebuild and get pissed off about it just follow someone else. You can always come back later when it's better and you can handle it better. There is nothing wrong with that.

Yes. However, your point is well taken, Todd....

ya'll got an obstinate MFer as a HC.... and y'all are payin' that rat bastard a pile of money to be the HC.

and, while I don't dig on a "smoke & mirrors" type offense, y'all need to ride this mule 'til it flips over, hooves up...minimum 2 years (not counting 2020)...

that being said, all the bitchin' is warranted AND he needs to be a tad more deft in his commentary re: fanbase reaction.

JMO

[Todd4State]

Yes. However, your point is well taken, Todd....

ya'll got an obstinate MFer as a HC.... and y'all are payin' that rat bastard a pile of money to be the HC.

and, while I don't dig on a "smoke & mirrors" type offense, y'all need to ride this mule 'til it flips over, hooves up...minimum 2 years (not counting 2020)...

that being said, all the bitchin' is warranted AND he needs to be a tad more deft in his commentary re: fanbase reaction.

JMO

I feel like the bitching is misdirected. Leach didn't recruit to the point where there were massive holes forcing us to have to play young players. He also didn't cultivate Moorhead's poor culture.

[bulldawg28]

Yes. However, your point is well taken, Todd....

ya'll got an obstinate MFer as a HC.... and y'all are payin' that rat bastard a pile of money to be the HC.

and, while I don't dig on a "smoke & mirrors" type offense, y'all need to ride this mule 'til it flips over, hooves up...minimum 2 years (not counting 2020)...

that being said, all the bitchin' is warranted AND he needs to be a tad more deft in his commentary re: fanbase reaction.

JMO

Truth

[PGHBulldogBG]

Regardless of whether Moorhead has the number 1 offense in the country or not, he still isn?t head coaching material. Typically, a person with his personality doesn?t have the natural ability to run a team full of 18-23 year old football players. That doesn?t mean that he isn?t smart or a good coordinator, I just don?t think he has the traits to be a head coach in the SEC due to this issue.

On the other hand, Leach doesn?t lack in that category and I doubt we will have to worry about a soft culture with Leach. My fear with Leach is his stubbornness and his flexibility to adapt. I have never been sold on this hire but we do have to see what happens next year before we completely flip out, but unfortunately my opinion hasn?t changed and I think we might be in for a rough 3 years after this one.

[FISHDAWG]

It's also not a good look at all for us considering Joe's offense has looked good so far at Oregon. And yes, I know it's not "his" but he is installing it, coaching it, and making play calls out of it- and without question the RPO's are his. And on top of that Leach's offense worked at Texas Tech and Washington State- schools hardly comparable.

The crazy thing about some MSU fans- they'll get on a message board or Twitter and say "I know there will be a learning curve and adjustments" and then flip out when it isn't perfect.

Perfect ??? .... we are only hoping for competitive enough to end this embarrassment

[Coach34]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

[HancockCountyDog]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

Totally agree.

I guess people just refuse to see what is happening right in front of them and simply want something to be true so badly that they will ignore what is so obvious.

I remember feeling that way about Croom - I wanted him to work so badly here, but holy hell it just didn't. I hope we don't wait as long as we did with him. I know Leach is getting a 2nd year and probably a 3rd, but I sure hope he makes some changes, but I know Im just hoping against hope.

[Bothrops]

Leach, unlike Croom and Moorhead is a proven winner as a head coach. That's a huge difference when compared to the other two career position coaches.

[Todd4State]

Perfect ??? .... we are only hoping for competitive enough to end this embarrassment

"Perfect" meaning moving the goalposts when something goes well but still isn't good enough.

[Matt3467]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

Did they begin their first year without a Spring and have to deal with COVID guidelines all year long? Did they have to play a full SEC schedule? You're not being fair. Leach's offense is drastically different that every single one of those coaches on your list. Not having a spring hurts him more than others. I've said before that it's akin to having O'Leary come in and attempt to install the triple option while also in the midst of all this. This isn't a fair year to throw harsh judgments on the man.

[Todd4State]

Did they begin their first year without a Spring and have to deal with COVID guidelines all year long? Did they have to play a full SEC schedule? You're not being fair. Leach's offense is drastically different that every single one of those coaches on your list. Not having a spring hurts him more than others. I've said before that it's akin to having O'Leary come in and attempt to install the triple option while also in the midst of all this. This isn't a fair year to throw harsh judgments on the man.

Another big difference is unlike the others Leach is playing an All-SEC schedule. We don't have New Mexico, Tulane, and Alabama A&M to tune up with and work on things and give us three easy wins.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Another big difference is unlike the others Leach is playing an All-SEC schedule. We don't have New Mexico, Tulane, and Alabama A&M to tune up with and work on things and give us three easy wins.

Exactly. We would be sitting at 5 wins right now with Missouri left on the schedule.

[Jarius]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

What do you mean by not accepting it? I mean I‘m all for bitching about our offense. I just about throw something into the tv screen and yell at his ass when we play, but we have to accept it. Not accepting it to me is firing him and that’s not a realistic option.

[BuckyIsAB****]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

And every thing to do with the program is in better shape than it was with Moorhead. We are in better shape, we haven?t quit and we are torching the barn and killing the rats

[Percho]

Mississippi State Bulldogs (Southeastern Conference) (1979–1985)
1979 Mississippi State 3–8 2–4 8th
1980 Mississippi State 9–3 5–1 3rd L Sun 19
1981 Mississippi State 8–4 4–2 3rd W Hall of Fame 17
1982 Mississippi State 5–6 2–4 8th
1983 Mississippi State 3–8 1–5 8th
1984 Mississippi State 4–7 1–5 T–9th
1985 Mississippi State 5–6 0–6 10th
Mississippi State: 37–42 15–27

immediate incompetence

Two good years

Then everybody figured it out, SEC defenses just too good.

[was21]

F--k it. I just don't like his offense. It's not MSU football and never will be. Also, the recruiting footprint won't change to the degree that he needs to get the players that he needs. Cohen has to go and Leech along with him.

[Coach34]

And every thing to do with the program is in better shape than it was with Moorhead. We are in better shape, we haven?t quit and we are torching the barn and killing the rats

Coach- I disagree. Because while I agree the discipline will be better- the talent level is going to continue to drop. It will be shocking to me to see Leach recruit to the level he needs to make his offense work. And thats on top of hoping we an still pull talent on D. When guys like Cross and others are considering leaving- that will take time to overcome. This program wasnt a 4-5 year rebuild when Leach got the job. It was a 1 year retooling and lets roll

[ShotgunDawg]

Coach- I disagree. Because while I agree the discipline will be better- the talent level is going to continue to drop. It will be shocking to me to see Leach recruit to the level he needs to make his offense work. And thats on top of hoping we an still pull talent on D. When guys like Cross and others are considering leaving- that will take time to overcome. This program wasnt a 4-5 year rebuild when Leach got the job. It was a 1 year retooling and lets roll

You?re just looking at it on paper and not looking at the culture.

How do you build a good culture with a team full of wusses? That?s what we?ve got. Older guys on the team that can?t handle an ounce of adversity.

If you don?t correct that, you end up like Tennessee. You have to kill it and then build back

[R2Dawg]

Another big difference is unlike the others Leach is playing an All-SEC schedule. We don't have New Mexico, Tulane, and Alabama A&M to tune up with and work on things and give us three easy wins.

It has nothing to do with wins and losses. It has to do with how we look and the trajectory of the program. Mullen was 5-7 his first year but that team was good, best 5-7 team in country. BTW that team also lost to ranked Houston and GT barely - robbed in both. Not the same thing happening this year Covid or all SEC schedule or not. Houston and GT way better than UK, Ark, OM, and Mizz on this years schedule.

[R2Dawg]

Coach- I disagree. Because while I agree the discipline will be better- the talent level is going to continue to drop. It will be shocking to me to see Leach recruit to the level he needs to make his offense work. And thats on top of hoping we an still pull talent on D. When guys like Cross and others are considering leaving- that will take time to overcome. This program wasnt a 4-5 year rebuild when Leach got the job. It was a 1 year retooling and lets roll

34, agree. You mean Cross is thinking of leaving? What a disaster on our hands.

[R2Dawg]

There is zero reason to accept incompetence in Year 1. We see the incompetence. It's not hidden. We dont have to accept that. Its plain and simple.

Year 1 with Jackie? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with Croom? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Mullen? We saw immediate progress
Year 1 with JoVester? We saw immediate incompetence
Year 1 with Leach? Immediate incompetence

This tells the story. It has been obvious every time. We all hold out hope because we love MSU but you reveal the facts, it is painfully obvious. Like Leach said, we may have to find another team, cause he ain't changin. That is what he meant.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Coach- I disagree. Because while I agree the discipline will be better- the talent level is going to continue to drop. It will be shocking to me to see Leach recruit to the level he needs to make his offense work. And thats on top of hoping we an still pull talent on D. When guys like Cross and others are considering leaving- that will take time to overcome. This program wasnt a 4-5 year rebuild when Leach got the job. It was a 1 year retooling and lets roll

Cross leaving would be breaking news to me.

Also, we are pretty much a triple option team now if you think about it. No it is not the veer but it is essentially a gimmick offense that gets better with reps. Just like practicing ride and decide for hours on end we run mesh 4 verts smash etc...we do not have many pass protections maybe 3 at the most...point is this was designed to be an equalizer. To not need to be more overly talented than your opponent to beat them. Leach wins with walk on white boys at slot and smart accurate QBs. Huge OL that are mean. He can find all of that here and can recruit nationally better than anyone we have ever had.

[Matt3467]

It has nothing to do with wins and losses. It has to do with how we look and the trajectory of the program. Mullen was 5-7 his first year but that team was good, best 5-7 team in country. BTW that team also lost to ranked Houston and GT barely - robbed in both. Not the same thing happening this year Covid or all SEC schedule or not. Houston and GT way better than UK, Ark, OM, and Mizz on this years schedule.

You also have to take into account who Dan was replacing. Croom did a very good job of setting the tone after Sherrill. Dan inherited a tough group of players and not a culture mess. It would've been vastly different had Dan followed the mess Sherrill left or if instead of Croom it was Moorhead he replaced.

[Matt3467]

F--k it. I just don't like his offense. It's not MSU football and never will be. Also, the recruiting footprint won't change to the degree that he needs to get the players that he needs. Cohen has to go and Leech along with him.

A lot of feelings in this post.

[Jarius]

A lot of feelings in this post.

“Not MSU football” should be the goal. We have an all time below .500 record. Why do people insist the only way we can win is the way that has failed for about a century?