OM is going to skull drug us for next 2 years

[msugolf]

And then we'll see how the decision makers opinions change real fast. It's fine to preach patience when you're showing promise but lose that game the way I think we will in the future and heads will roll.

[bluelightstar]

After they beat us 45-0 this year, leach is going to be on an immediate hot seat

[Turfdawg67]

And Plumlee was going to run for 400 yds last year... yeah, yeah, yeah.

[defiantdog]

And Plumlee was going to run for 400 yds last year... yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've scored one TD in 3 games on offense.

[Turfdawg67]

We've scored one TD in 3 games on offense.

Yeah, but Bucky and Shotgun say we're close.

[DownwardDawg]

This is why it's stupid to laugh at people saying Leach will be fired after 2 seasons. If we continue to look like this AND get beat by ole miss like we all think we are, that will be all she wrote.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If OM skull drags us I will never post again. Mark it I?m down

[Turfdawg67]

This is why it's stupid to laugh at people saying Leach will be fired after 2 seasons. If we continue to look like this AND get beat by ole miss like we all think we are, that will be all she wrote.

If Leach would've gone 4-8 in a "regular" season, similar to his others stops, would he have been given a pass?

[Bothrops]

Leach is likely to go 2-8 this year. We will have a tough time hanging on to recruits and if we lose our DC, all bets are off for Leach.

[Cowbell]

If OM skull drags us I will never post again. Mark it I?m down
I appreciate your insight dude, I would not place any responsibility on our HC right now. He has some things to figure out. He is gonna have to come to an awakening.

[DownwardDawg]

If OM skull drags us I will never post again. Mark it I?m down

Don't do that. You're too good a poster.

[ShotgunDawg]

Shotgun say we're close.

Not after tonight. We're floating aimlessly in sea of offensive sewage

[ShotgunDawg]

As bad as it may get this year, I think it's still important that we see the big picture and Leach's history says that he does build winning programs in time.

If I'm Cohen, I leave Leach alone this season and let him do his thing. However, if we have similar issues in 2021, then I'm asking hard questions to better understand why moving the football is so hard

[Todd4State]

As bad as it may get this year, I think it's still important that we see the big picture and Leach's history says that he does build winning programs in time.

If I'm Cohen, I leave Leach alone this season and let him do his thing. However, if we have similar issues in 2021, then I'm asking hard questions to better understand why moving the football is so hard

Agree.

[Cowbell]

As bad as it may get this year, I think it's still important that we see the big picture and Leach's history says that he does build winning programs in time.

If I'm Cohen, I leave Leach alone this season and let him do his thing. However, if we have similar issues in 2021, then I'm asking hard questions to better understand why moving the football is so hard

Something I've learned about being the leader of anything - You ask those questions now. You don't respond or show any emotion or offer advice or take a side. But you need to know his answers now to see where he's at and to track when/if he changes course. You keep track of those responses and follow up in a year and see how his responses change.

[ShotgunDawg]

Something I've learned about being the leader of anything - You ask those questions now. You don't respond or show any emotion or offer advice or take a side. But you need to know his answers now to see where he's at and to track when/if he changes course. You keep track of those responses and follow up in a year and see how his responses change.

Great stuff. You’re right.

[Liverpooldawg]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

[Todd4State]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

Bullshit. Keeping Moorhead around would have dug the hole even deeper.

[KOdawg1]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

SWING and a miss.

3 years of Moorhead would've absolutely tanked us. We fired him 2 years too late.

[Cowbell]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

Your second sentence completely discredits any opinion you have going forward.

[Dawgcap]

Got to get rid of the dead weight. We still have a few playing that don?t give a shit

[bluelightstar]

They do not give a shit because they know the coach is an outdated, all-figured-out idiot

[Dawgcap]

Ha. Same thoughts after week 1? Bet not.

[Dawgcap]

So your answer? Love to know

[msstate7]

Ha. Same thoughts after week 1? Bet not.

Of course not, but things change. We have no answers for zone defense. Hell, look at OM struggling vs the same ark defense, and then they had an answer for it immediately the next week when auburn did it. We're headed into our 5th straight game of it, and still, no adjustments.

[Cowbell]

Of course not, but things change. We have no answers for zone defense. Hell, look at OM struggling vs the same ark defense, and then they had an answer for it immediately the next week when auburn did it. We're headed into our 5th straight game of it, and still, no adjustments.

Yep. Bo Pelini was an idiot and LSU is terrible. We caught them completely off guard and now everyone has the tape. We just didn't know that at the time.

[Jack Lambert]

How the human mind works is amazing.

[ShotgunDawg]

One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon

We fired Moorhead too late. He was terrible. Every minute we kept him he was hurting the program. The program would be better off if we would've ditched him after 2018

[ShotgunDawg]

They do not give a shit because they know the coach is an outdated, all-figured-out idiot

This isn't true

[R2Dawg]

As bad as it may get this year, I think it's still important that we see the big picture and Leach's history says that he does build winning programs in time.

If I'm Cohen, I leave Leach alone this season and let him do his thing. However, if we have similar issues in 2021, then I'm asking hard questions to better understand why moving the football is so hard

Yep, free year for CML. If we still look like this next year on O, time to start discussions.

[Jarius]

It is amazing that it is Sunday (not Saturday night where people are heated) and we still have people that think Leach could get fired next year. Some of you have no sense of reality. I will make a bet with anyone on here and we can pin it to the top. Name the price. Barring Leach getting caught with naked pictures of him and a goat he will be our football coach in 2022. The lack of awareness on here is astounding.

[bluelightstar]

It is amazing that it is Sunday (not Saturday night where people are heated) and we still have people that think Leach could get fired next year. Some of you have no sense of reality. I will make a bet with anyone on here and we can pin it to the top. Name the price. Barring Leach getting caught with naked pictures of him and a goat he will be our football coach in 2022. The lack of awareness on here is astounding.

The same thing was said about Joe Moorhead. If we go 2-8/1-9 and then three wins or fewer next year with a still MIA offense, Leach will be done next November.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I'm more concerned with keeping the recruits that we have committed more so than any wins and losses to come in the next few weeks. If our top 5-6 commits start jumping ship it's going to get bad. I don't see us figuring out anything on O the rest of the year, but we have to have some help come in the form of the Jimmy's and the Joe's or we're going to see a repeat of this next year. We'll be better just because of maturity and reps, but we've got to upgrade our roster.

I know not every player is going to be an NFL player, but just look at our offense when it's on the field, and look at the defense when it's on the field. Does any player jump out to you like a Jeffrey Simmons? A Montez Sweat? A Jonathan Abram? A Cam Dantzler? Not much to choose from on offense....A Dak Prescott? Hell, I'd settle for just some good college players like a Jameon Lewis or Fred Ross.

I know we've got some really young guys playing....but do any of them remind you of the guys I listed above when they were young? I see some flashes with Emerson and Crumedy. Even Forbes has shown me a glimpse at times of these guys named above. But they are few and far between. We've got to improve our roster big time. And honestly, this crop committed, while I think really good at QB and WR....top to bottom I'm not sure improves the roster that much.

My concern from the beginning is Leach and coaches seeing better players than they were used to at Wash. St. and thinking "this guy" is better than "so and so" that we had, and "so and so" was really good for us, so "this guy" is going to be really, really good. But in hindsight, while "this guy" may be better than "so and so" that they had at Wash. St., he is not up to SEC standards. I pray that is not happening with this years class and Leach has to find out the hard way by seeing them once they get on campus next year.

I'm disappointed just like the rest of you, but I'm going to back the coach as long as he's here and just hope he figures it out. I'm not going to pick sides and say he will figure it out or pick the side that he won't and hope i'm right just so I can tell people on a message board that I don't even know that I was right all along. I'm just going to continue to pull for my school and go into every game wanting to win it. Time will tell.

[Jarius]

The same thing was said about Joe Moorhead. If we go 2-8/1-9 and then three wins or fewer next year with a still MIA offense, Leach will be done next November.

Put your money where your mouth is. If you don’t understand the difference in those 2 situations and why Moorhead being fired after 2 actual full years (not 1 year and another crazy covid year where he didn’t even get a spring) prevents us from being able to quickly fire another coach in that same time span I will gladly take whatever amount of money you want to Throw down the toilet. We would hire the equivalent of Rick Ray if our leadership was dumb enough to do that, and they will not.

[Todd4State]

The same thing was said about Joe Moorhead. If we go 2-8/1-9 and then three wins or fewer next year with a still MIA offense, Leach will be done next November.

Moorhead had some things happen that were clearly in the scandal territory- even though there weren't any scandals other than Tutor Gate. He was going off on our fans in press conferences while players were getting into fights with each other in practice. Nobody at any university wants to support that kind of a product. And it's embarrassing when we lose our QB because of that. I bet we win three OOC games alone next year at least.


I'm more concerned with keeping the recruits that we have committed more so than any wins and losses to come in the next few weeks. If our top 5-6 commits start jumping ship it's going to get bad. I don't see us figuring out anything on O the rest of the year, but we have to have some help come in the form of the Jimmy's and the Joe's or we're going to see a repeat of this next year. We'll be better just because of maturity and reps, but we've got to upgrade our roster.

I know not every player is going to be an NFL player, but just look at our offense when it's on the field, and look at the defense when it's on the field. Does any player jump out to you like a Jeffrey Simmons? A Montez Sweat? A Jonathan Abram? A Cam Dantzler? Not much to choose from on offense....A Dak Prescott? Hell, I'd settle for just some good college players like a Jameon Lewis or Fred Ross.

I know we've got some really young guys playing....but do any of them remind you of the guys I listed above when they were young? I see some flashes with Emerson and Crumedy. Even Forbes has shown me a glimpse at times of these guys named above. But they are few and far between. We've got to improve our roster big time. And honestly, this crop committed, while I think really good at QB and WR....top to bottom I'm not sure improves the roster that much.

My concern from the beginning is Leach and coaches seeing better players than they were used to at Wash. St. and thinking "this guy" is better than "so and so" that we had, and "so and so" was really good for us, so "this guy" is going to be really, really good. But in hindsight, while "this guy" may be better than "so and so" that they had at Wash. St., he is not up to SEC standards. I pray that is not happening with this years class and Leach has to find out the hard way by seeing them once they get on campus next year.

I'm disappointed just like the rest of you, but I'm going to back the coach as long as he's here and just hope he figures it out. I'm not going to pick sides and say he will figure it out or pick the side that he won't and hope i'm right just so I can tell people on a message board that I don't even know that I was right all along. I'm just going to continue to pull for my school and go into every game wanting to win it. Time will tell.

Why do MSU fans worry about the negative side of recruiting like this? Most recruits are going to look at us and see an opportunity to play and potentially start in the SEC right away. How many freshmen did Alabama start last night? How many are starting across the SEC? We don't have anyone on our team like Teddy Knox and Malik Nabors will contribute and play right away next year as well. What do you think they are thinking when they see Osiris drop another pass or lose a battle in the end zone? I can't tell you- "I don't think I'm better than that guy" isn't crossing their mind at all when they see that.

[yjnkdawg]

They do not give a shit because they know the coach is an outdated, all-figured-out idiot


They don't give a shit because they had a good ole boy coach, and they could go to the water park and basically do whatever they wanted to do, or not do concerning our football program

[Todd4State]

They don't give a shit because they had a good ole boy coach, and they could go to the water park and basically do whatever they wanted to do, or not do concerning our football program

I have to spread more rep before I give it to yjinkdawg again.

[yjnkdawg]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

No discipline and being a good ole boy coach? Just more malcontent to deal with probably.

[tcdog70]

Y'all do know Jackie only won 1 SEC game His first year. To me the most glaring problem we have is we have pitiful WRs. Who is a SEC receiver. Osiris is soft as charming . Heath is average as is Payton. Our best receiver was Kylin Hill. Until we get SEC receivers Leach's air raid will sux.

[yjnkdawg]

If you are basing your projection on how the OM offense was so successful against Bama, Bama's defense has figured it out now. That was a SNAFU Bama defensive effort and it embarrassed Saban big time.

[msstate7]

Y'all do know Jackie only won 1 SEC game His first year. To me the most glaring problem we have is we have pitiful WRs. Who is a SEC receiver. Osiris is soft as charming . Heath is average as is Payton. Our best receiver was Kylin Hill. Until we get SEC receivers Leach's air raid will sux.

I've saw this twice about Sherrill, and it isn't true. He was 7-5 (4-3) with a bowl game

[parabrave]

This is why it's stupid to laugh at people saying Leach will be fired after 2 seasons. If we continue to look like this AND get beat by ole miss like we all think we are, that will be all she wrote.

Hey The rebs tired of Houston Nutt and we tired of Slow Mo after 2 years. If next year is as bad as this year he is gone.

[yjnkdawg]

Hey The rebs tired of Houston Nutt and we tired of Slow Mo after 2 years. If next year is as bad as this year he is gone.


We had just cause to move JoeMo on. The type of culture and lack of discipline we had in our football program. I don't understand how people think you can fire a coach after two years, because you (the fan) thinks he is not achieving what you want , with no just cause warranted, and then expect to hire a higher rated coach to come in. It just doesn't work like that.

[Todd4State]

Hey The rebs tired of Houston Nutt and we tired of Slow Mo after 2 years. If next year is as bad as this year he is gone.

They tired of him after a 4-8 season in which he lost to Jacksonville State and then they still kept him...and only fired him after he went 2-10.

[Todd4State]

We had just cause to move JoeMo on. The type of culture and lack of discipline we had in our football program. I don't understand how people think you can fire a coach after two years, because you (the fan) thinks he is not achieving what you want , with no just cause warranted, and then expect to hire a higher rated coach to come in. It just doesn't work like that.

It's like our fans somehow missed Tutor Gate, the product on the field, and Gay and Shrader fighting each other.

[Tripp McNeely]

Isnt it ?skull DRAG??

[BeardoMSU]

Isnt it ?skull DRAG??

Y'all think a "skull drag" is as bad as life can get...**

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[PendingTransaction]

JoMo should have been fired, by damn! Not for rotten the football team, but for how he was so unfair to our defensive room. I mean he let the offensive party, smoke dope, go to the water park ( he probably stole the playing in the water from Saban, but I digress), etc. Just let them rot. But based on the fact that this defense is the youngest and least talented that we have had in the last 10 years and is playing inspired football even in the face of sure defeat is proof that the rottenness didn't get to them.

Or Arnett is a genius at managing that Gay/JoMo gangrenous defense room???

[Todd4State]

JoMo should have been fired, by damn! Not for rotten the football team, but for how he was so unfair to our defensive room. I mean he let the offensive party, smoke dope, go to the water park ( he probably stole the playing in the water from Saban, but I digress), etc. Just let them rot. But based on the fact that this defense is the youngest and least talented that we have had in the last 10 years and is playing inspired football even in the face of sure defeat is proof that the rottenness didn't get to them.

Or Arnett is a genius at managing that Gay/JoMo gangrenous defense room???

Or maybe we recruited the defensive side of the ball better because those guys weren't in the Country Club?

At any rate I can't say that the defense wasn't part of the problem under Moorhead last year. I think we just got rid of them sooner- Lovett, Gay, Dantzler, and Jones. We're just now getting rid of Hill. We also have better upperclass leaders on that side of the ball (Thompson, Peters, Morgan, Kobe, Spencer) and less of a transition because our scheme isn't all that different from Grantham and Shoop's compared to Leach's offense and Moorhead's.

[softballfanatic1]

[QUOTE=ShotgunDawg;1283014]As bad as it may get this year, I think it's still important that we see the big picture and Leach's history says that he does build winning programs in time.

If I'm Cohen, I leave Leach alone this season and let him do his thing. However, if we have similar issues in 2021, then I'm asking hard questions to better understand why moving the football is so hard[/QUOTE

Just give it 2 weeks

[yjnkdawg]

JoMo should have been fired, by damn! Not for rotten the football team, but for how he was so unfair to our defensive room. I mean he let the offensive party, smoke dope, go to the water park ( he probably stole the playing in the water from Saban, but I digress), etc. Just let them rot. But based on the fact that this defense is the youngest and least talented that we have had in the last 10 years and is playing inspired football even in the face of sure defeat is proof that the rottenness didn't get to them.

Or Arnett is a genius at managing that Gay/JoMo gangrenous defense room???


I don't think the defense was excluded from the water park or the other stuff. It was an equal opportunity situation. Some players just have different goals, values, and attitudes concerning their football career and life in general.

[FISHDAWG]

Yep, free year for CML. If we still look like this next year on O, time to start discussions.

I'm with you here but I wonder who or what we have recruited this year that will help change next year ... I'm willing to give him another two years because I don't think this thing can be fixed by next season but I really need to see some imagination sooner more than later

[Jarius]

Hey The rebs tired of Houston Nutt and we tired of Slow Mo after 2 years. If next year is as bad as this year he is gone.

Houston Nutt was at Ole Miss for 4 years. Jesus.

[R2Dawg]

I've saw this twice about Sherrill, and it isn't true. He was 7-5 (4-3) with a bowl game

Jackie blew the lid off his first year with existing players. I graduated that year. The energy on campus was off the charts. The mad dawgs. He could have easily won several more games too.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

drag*

[Homedawg]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

hell no we didn't!!!!

[Homedawg]

Y'all do know Jackie only won 1 SEC game His first year. To me the most glaring problem we have is we have pitiful WRs. Who is a SEC receiver. Osiris is soft as charming . Heath is average as is Payton. Our best receiver was Kylin Hill. Until we get SEC receivers Leach's air raid will sux.

huh?? one +3

[Maverick91]

We self destructed. One we fired Moorhead at LEAST one year too soon. Then we compounded that by hiring a clown who is totally dependent on an outdated offense. I put that squarely on the inexperienced and no way qualified for the job he holds, John Cohen.

You wanted to keep Moorhead for one more year?

[MedDawg]

They do not give a shit because they know the coach is an outdated, all-figured-out idiot

Ridiculous. Leach and Washington State went 11-2 just TWO seasons ago, and that was with a defense not nearly as good as what MSU has now and most years. By 2018 Leach had been in the conference for several years and they had not figured him out.

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[StateDawg44]

Ridiculous. Leach and Washington State went 11-2 just TWO seasons ago, and that was with a defense not nearly as good as what MSU has now and most years. By 2018 Leach had been in the conference for several years and they had not figured him out.



Aight, well in 2020, in the SEC, they've figured him out.

[FISHDAWG]

Aight, well in 2020, in the SEC, they've figured him out.

actually quite simple isn't it .... I've heard all the excuses in the world so far but the bottom line is we are trying to publish yesterday's news after folks have already read it