Not trying to pump sunshine...

[HailState86]

BUT (y?all knew there had to be a ?but?), we knew this season would most likely be painful. Maybe some of the issues/malcontents took a bit to manifest. My longing Bulldog heart wants to believe it?s a painful step in the right direction.

[chef dixon]

No reason to play KJ anymore. Get Rogers or even Shrader in and let's get to work. We need some threat of mobility at QB even if it's just within the pocket.

[Cooterpoot]

Before the malcontent comment, we're were going to lose between 5-10 players after the season. I expect we could see 10+ now. You can forget about a couple recruits too.
Everyone is just sick of this shitty program. Dan started the downward spiral staying longer than he wanted, Joe completely destroyed our work ethic and coddled kids. The kids are sick of losing like we are. And we are right back where we were with Moorhead and his transfer QB problems. Leach is going to have a hard time. Toughest job with the most pressure he's ever had. Toughest schedule he's ever had. I'm going to just say screw it and try to keep my mouth shut until after the season and signing day. All of us raising hell isnt going to help a damn thing. It is what it is.

[basedog]

Before the malcontent comment, we're were going to lose between 5-10 players after the season. I expect we could see 10+ now. You can forget about a couple recruits too.
Everyone is just sick of this shitty program. Dan started the downward spiral staying longer than he wanted, Joe completely destroyed our work ethic and coddled kids. The kids are sick of losing like we are. And we are right back where we were with Moorhead and his transfer QB problems. Leach is going to have a hard time. Toughest job with the most pressure he's ever had. Toughest schedule he's ever had. I'm going to just say screw it and try to keep my mouth shut until after the season and signing day. All of us raising hell isnt going to help a damn thing. It is what it is.

Mississippi State Bulldogs, we are known for the "graveyard of football coaches". Say it ain't so.

[Bdawg]

Before the malcontent comment, we're were going to lose between 5-10 players after the season. I expect we could see 10+ now. You can forget about a couple recruits too.
Everyone is just sick of this shitty program. Dan started the downward spiral staying longer than he wanted, Joe completely destroyed our work ethic and coddled kids. The kids are sick of losing like we are. And we are right back where we were with Moorhead and his transfer QB problems. Leach is going to have a hard time. Toughest job with the most pressure he's ever had. Toughest schedule he's ever had. I'm going to just say screw it and try to keep my mouth shut until after the season and signing day. All of us raising hell isnt going to help a damn thing. It is what it is.

Well if we had this many bad eggs as you say, then we weren't winning shi* anyway this year. Hope he cleans house and gets rid of anything that doesn't want to work or be coddled(screw you joe for this culture). He better bring in some good replacements is all I can say.

[Cooterpoot]

Well if we had this many bad eggs as you say, then we weren't winning shi* anyway this year. Hope he cleans house and gets rid of anything that doesn't want to work or be coddled(screw you joe for this culture). He better bring in some good replacements is all I can say.

I don't think we have many bad eggs. Several players were leaving due to playing time. The bad eggs are mostly older players and honestly, it's more frustration than that they're bad eggs. But some of them can't help themselves but say and do things that can't be allowed. A coach can't put up with certain things.

[IMissJack]

We are at the bottom because Cohen decided to completely change our image from run based/tough defense to high pass offense. Nevermind the most successful years we ever had were the last 10 years and were based on the opposite. He has successfully destroyed any goodwill that Mullen has developed for us. Stick to baseball.

[bluelightstar]

We are at the bottom because Cohen decided to completely change our image from run based/tough defense to high pass offense. Nevermind the most successful years we ever had were the last 10 years and were based on the opposite. He has successfully destroyed any goodwill that Mullen has developed for us. Stick to baseball.

It makes no 17ing sense to do a complete philosophy change coming off the success of the Mullen years. We should?ve continued with a run-based spread offense, and Cohen had a chance to fix it after his Moorhead hire and doubled down!

[defiantdog]

Those who are not willing to change, will always be left behind..... Yes..... Maybe changing to a pass heavy offense will work, but Leach may need to change as well to get acclimated to the SEC

[Mobile Bay]

We are at the bottom because Cohen decided to completely change our image from run based/tough defense to high pass offense. Nevermind the most successful years we ever had were the last 10 years and were based on the opposite. He has successfully destroyed any goodwill that Mullen has developed for us. Stick to baseball.

Something new was needed. The game has changed.

Lets look in the old trophy case and see how the old way has worked. That 1998 second place in the SEC trophy is getting mighty dusty.

[Cooterpoot]

We are at the bottom because Cohen decided to completely change our image from run based/tough defense to high pass offense. Nevermind the most successful years we ever had were the last 10 years and were based on the opposite. He has successfully destroyed any goodwill that Mullen has developed for us. Stick to baseball.

Disagree. Football has evolved to a point where you cant just play power football.

[Dawgfan77]

Kenum has no business promoting Cohen to AD. He simply was not a good hire. Cohen reached on SloMo and then realized that and went for the pirate. We are in this place not because of a coaching hire rather an AD hire. We had so much momentum and today we are headed for Arkansas level. I don't think leach will stick around. He may but I wouldn't doubt he takes his $$$ and goes to Key West. The landscape has changed and he doesn't strike me as a fan of what's going on. From twitter to PCs... we could be hiring a coach by EOY, or he may stick it out. Regardless JC has to go

[HailStateSZN19]

I’m curious as to who all these “malcontents” are that Leach referenced in the post game PC as people who they need to possibly purge from the program.

We can’t score a damn TD for nothing on offense and we’re about to get rid of some people? Unless it’s guys who are just straight up not doing anything the coaches are telling them to do, why would we purge anybody in the middle of the season?

[Cooterpoot]

Leach isn't quitting. Damn, some of you guys are crazy as 17. I'm not Cohen fan, but he's not going anywhere either. Coaches at MSU should NEVER be promoted to AD. Not a single damn one.

[bluelightstar]

I’m curious as to who all these “malcontents” are that Leach referenced in the post game PC as people who they need to possibly purge from the program.

We can’t score a damn TD for nothing on offense and we’re about to get rid of some people? Unless it’s guys who are just straight up not doing anything the coaches are telling them to do, why would we purge anybody in the middle of the season?

It has always been Leach?s MO to throw players under the bus, that?s why

[TNDawg35]

Some of y’all need to chill and take a step back. Leach came into a lot worse situation as far as the locker room than most realize. Some have left, there are a couple
More that need to go. It ain’t hard to see. Watch the game again and watch who was mouthing after every play. There is a HUGE locker room issue right now, and It needs to be taken care of. It would turn some heads, and the media would be all over it, but it needs to happen. Players are pissed cause draft stock is going down:

Read Cole Cubics tweet. He saw it last night. “People taking there self out and fights.”

[Joebob]

No reason to play KJ anymore. Get Rogers or even Shrader in and let's get to work. We need some threat of mobility at QB even if it's just within the pocket.

And this might just be Leach's toughest predicament. K.J. Has made so many bad decisions the last three weeks that I just can't see him being the guy anymore. But everybody else is younger with even less experience in this offense. If we can't find a way to bring some semblance of a running game into the offense, then I think this is going to be a very long year.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Some of y’all need to chill and take a step back. Leach came into a lot worse situation as far as the locker room than most realize. Some have left, there are a couple
More that need to go. It ain’t hard to see. Watch the game again and watch who was mouthing after every play. There is a HUGE locker room issue right now, and It needs to be taken care of. It would turn some heads, and the media would be all over it, but it needs to happen. Players are pissed cause draft stock is going down:

Read Cole Cubics tweet. He saw it last night. “People taking there self out and fights.”

You want to know why the players are pissed??? It's because they can see what we can all see, and that is THIS IS NOT WORKING. 2 weeks in a row getting bitch slapped on offense with no changes or adjustments made, and it doesn't appear any are going to be made. I would be pissed too if I worked my ass off all week and then get bitch slapped on Saturdays and the coach isn't making any adjustments. The fact that KJ was not immediately pulled after that 3rd int last night probably killed a lot of credibility Leach had with the players. Rogers should have been in the game for the remainder of the game. Hell Rogers should have come in to start and finish the 2nd half...

[dawgday166]

You want to know why the players are pissed??? It's because they can see what we can all see, and that is THIS IS NOT WORKING. 2 weeks in a row getting bitch slapped on offense with no changes or adjustments made, and it doesn't appear any are going to be made. I would be pissed too if I worked my ass off all week and then get bitch slapped on Saturdays and the coach isn't making any adjustments. The fact that KJ was not immediately pulled after that 3rd int last night probably killed a lot of credibility Leach had with the players. Rogers should have been in the game for the remainder of the game. Hell Rogers should have come in the start and finish the 2nd half...

Well ... it certainly isn't going to work if players are half-assing it every play, and all it takes is one or 2 players. The Right DT is blowing up our 5* LT AND our LG. We try to run a bubble screen and the WR not catching the ball performs a meek, half ass blocking attempt and play gets blown up. Now a lot of that could be indecision, confusion, and uncertainty.

We can't tell IF it's going to work until everyone plays at 110%. When our 5* LT and LG are getting blown up by one average damn Right DT himself, then yea ... it AIN"T working. And then some of them come back and run their mouths saying it ain't working when they half-assing it on the field.

Hate to tell you but ... NO offense is gonna work when they half-assing it. Does anyone remember 1st half of 2016 under Mullen. Players were confused and it wasn't working well. And that offense is one that worked for us when they executed.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Well ... it certainly isn't going to work if players are half-assing it every play, and all it takes is one or 2 players. The Right DT is blowing up our 5* LT AND our LG. We try to run a bubble screen and the WR not catching the ball performs a meek, half ass blocking attempt and play gets blown up. Now a lot of that could be indecision, confusion, and uncertainty.

We can't tell IF it's going to work until everyone plays at 110%. When our 5* LT and LG are getting blown up by one average damn Right DT himself, then yea ... it AIN"T working. And then some of them come back and run their mouths saying it ain't working when they half-assing it on the field.

Hate to tell you but ... NO offense is gonna work when they half-assing it. Does anyone remember 1st half of 2016 under Mullen. Players were confused and it wasn't working well. And that offense is one that worked for us when they executed.

At the end of the day it falls on Leach if they are half-assing it as he continues to put them out there to play. If you know and see someone is half-assing it, you pull their ass right then and there in the game to send a message. You put someone in that wants to play, I don't care if they are 2nd or 3rd string. I watched KJ half ass for 2 straight games now, and he continues to play him. As I said he should have never come back out in the 2nd half. Half-assing players are not being held accountable by Leach and it's going to blow up the locker room, sounds like that is already occurring.

[dawgday166]

At the end of the day it falls on Leach if they are half-assing it as he continues to put them out there to play. If you know and see someone is half-assing it, you pull their ass right then and there in the game to send a message. You put someone in that wants to play, I don't care if they are 2nd or 3rd string. I watched KJ half ass for 2 straight games now, and he continues to play him. As I said he should have never come back out in the 2nd half. Half-assing players are not being held accountable by Leach and it's going to blow up the locker room, sounds like that is already occurring.

I agree and kinda think with all the "wokeness" that's been going on, he's been a little more patient than he normally would be. But yea, Leach has to get that stuff fixed and he said so in his presser last night.

[Cooterpoot]

People seem to forget Rogers was in Covid Quarantine a couple weeks too. Shrader actually moves back over to QB last week because of it.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

People seem to forget Rogers was in Covid Quarantine a couple weeks too. Shrader actually moves back over to QB last week because of it.

We have 4 serviceable QBs, if KJ isn't it, move on to Rogers, Schrader or Mayden. If Rogers is out with COVID, then you go with Schrader or Mayden. Georgia is doing just fine with basically their 3rd string quarterback. There are no excuses to be made.

[msbulldog]

Definitely a change in tone Coot and I like it! Rep given!

[HailStateSZN19]

People seem to forget Rogers was in Covid Quarantine a couple weeks too. Shrader actually moves back over to QB last week because of it.

You think we see Rogers going forward and let KJ ride the pine?

I’d rather play for the future and let Will throw the INT’s and learn from them to be better next year than to see KJ throw pick 6 after pick 6.

[msbulldog]

Those who are not willing to change, will always be left behind..... Yes..... Maybe changing to a pass heavy offense will work, but Leach may need to change as well to get acclimated to the SEC

A wise man once told me if you ain't changing you're backing up.

[msbulldog]

I?m curious as to who all these ?malcontents? are that Leach referenced in the post game PC as people who they need to possibly purge from the program.

We can?t score a damn TD for nothing on offense and we?re about to get rid of some people? Unless it?s guys who are just straight up not doing anything the coaches are telling them to do, why would we purge anybody in the middle of the season?

Exorcize cancers!

[Todd4State]

At the end of the day it falls on Leach if they are half-assing it as he continues to put them out there to play. If you know and see someone is half-assing it, you pull their ass right then and there in the game to send a message. You put someone in that wants to play, I don't care if they are 2nd or 3rd string. I watched KJ half ass for 2 straight games now, and he continues to play him. As I said he should have never come back out in the 2nd half. Half-assing players are not being held accountable by Leach and it's going to blow up the locker room, sounds like that is already occurring.

Was it Leach's fault when they were half assing it under Moorhead? Some of our fans act like it's always up to the coach to make the players do the right thing and the reality is they can't always make our players do the right thing.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Was it Leach's fault when they were half assing it under Moorhead? Some of our fans act like it's always up to the coach to make the players do the right thing and the reality is they can't always make our players do the right thing.

He is the coach, he dictates who plays and who doesn't. If he can see they are half-assing it in the middle of the game, it is on him to pull them right then and there. If he doesn't hold players accountable, then those that are giving full effort are just going to give up and leave. If a first stringer is half-assing, you put in the next man up and so on, it's not that hard. HE DID NOTHING. You don't let a problem continue and then try to remedy it later after the fact, you address it right then and there.

[Todd4State]

He is the coach, he dictates who plays and who doesn't. If he can see they are half-assing it in the middle of the game, it is on him to pull them right then and there. If he doesn't hold players accountable, then those that are giving full effort are just going to give up and leave. If a first stringer is half-assing, you put in the next man up and so on, it's not that hard. HE DID NOTHING. You don't let a problem continue and then try to remedy it later after the fact, you address it right then and there.

Based on his press conference he's about to address it. But yeah he did "nothing" like pull the QB and re-work the offensive line.

[IMissJack]

Disagree. Football has evolved to a point where you cant just play power football.

So Dan won?t be successful at FL? He may not win a natty but they will continue to be very successful.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Based on his press conference he's about to address it. But yeah he did "nothing" like pull the QB and re-work the offensive line.

He waited until his 3rd interception to pull him, and he even gave him a series after that 3rd int before pulling him. Even worse he brought him back in after pulling him! What a genius! He didn't make any damn adjustments and hasn't the past 2 games...

[IMissJack]

Something new was needed. The game has changed.

Lets look in the old trophy case and see how the old way has worked. That 1998 second place in the SEC trophy is getting mighty dusty.

Keep this up and look in the old stands and remember that a 8 or 9 win season kept them full and the money coming in.

[msbulldog]

He is the coach, he dictates who plays and who doesn't. If he can see they are half-assing it in the middle of the game, it is on him to pull them right then and there. If he doesn't hold players accountable, then those that are giving full effort are just going to give up and leave. If a first stringer is half-assing, you put in the next man up and so on, it's not that hard. HE DID NOTHING. You don't let a problem continue and then try to remedy it later after the fact, you address it right then and there.

Are you a coach or qualified to be? If not then just put a sock in it. I am 65 years old and a MSU fan (and Alum) all my life and I have seen way worse. All your bitching doesn't mean anything to any one and will not make one iota of difference, so just shut your pie hole.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Are you a coach or qualified to be? If not then just put a sock in it. I am 65 years old and a MSU fan (and Alum) all my life and I have seen way worse. All your bitching doesn't mean anything to any one and will not make one iota of difference, so just shut your pie hole.

No I'm not the coach. I'm also not getting paid $5 mil a year to be one either. He's the coach, and he is to be held accountable. Nothing he has done so far has shown me he is going in the right direction or making any adjustments in game and outside of it. If he isn't changing anything or going to do anything different, it is about to get really bad, that is what I'm saying. As a long time State fan and Alum you should know how bad things can really get, and I don't think we should have to pay someone $5 mil a year to make things that bad again. We can do better...either Leach makes some fixes/adjustments and shows progress (which he hasn't made any changes to his system in 20 years), or we need to cut bait with both him and Cohen....

[msbulldog]

No I'm not the coach. I'm also not getting paid $5 mil a year to be one either. He's the coach, and he is to be held accountable. Nothing he has done so far has shown me he is going in the right direction or making any adjustments in game and outside of it. If he isn't changing anything or going to do anything different, it is about to get really bad, that is what I'm saying. As a long time State fan and Alum you should know how bad things can really get, and I don't think we should have to pay someone $5 mil a year to make things that bad again. We can do better...either Leach makes some fixes/adjustments and shows progress (which he hasn't made any changes to his system in 20 years), or we need to cut bait with both him and Cohen....

I see what you're saying, can you step up and pay that buyout? That would really solve a huge problem.

[Cooterpoot]

So Dan won?t be successful at FL? He may not win a natty but they will continue to be very successful.

Dan lost yesterday. He's also not simply running what he ran here. He's running the 2015 offense. And he has struggles running a more pass oriented offense. His impressive thing is his ability to adapt his offenses to the talent. But his passing stuff has its limitations.

[Todd4State]

He waited until his 3rd interception to pull him, and he even gave him a series after that 3rd int before pulling him. Even worse he brought him back in after pulling him! What a genius! He didn't make any damn adjustments and hasn't the past 2 games...

So he was supposed to start the true freshman who was coming off of quarantine sooner over the fifth year senior who set passing records two weeks ago? I mentioned the adjustments and you choose to ignore it.

[Todd4State]

Dan lost yesterday. He's also not simply running what he ran here. He's running the 2015 offense. And he has struggles running a more pass oriented offense. His impressive thing is his ability to adapt his offenses to the talent. But his passing stuff has its limitations.

Dan limits Dan.

[IMissJack]

Dan lost yesterday. He's also not simply running what he ran here. He's running the 2015 offense. And he has struggles running a more pass oriented offense. His impressive thing is his ability to adapt his offenses to the talent. But his passing stuff has its limitations.

Because he was always smart enough to run an offense based on the talent he had at QB.

[Cooterpoot]

Because he was always smart enough to run an offense based on the talent he had at QB.

Problem is, he has to continually do that because of his recruiting failures. He never truly recruited to a system. He tried to develop them into something. Most coaches recruit to their systems and run them. We never could throw it with Fitz and Relf. We couldn't run the power option with Russell. Dak is the only viable QB we ever had under him. Dan lost every game vs AL because of it all.

[msstate7]

Something new was needed. The game has changed.

Lets look in the old trophy case and see how the old way has worked. That 1998 second place in the SEC trophy is getting mighty dusty.

There is no system that will put a trophy in our case.

[msstate7]

Dan lost yesterday. He's also not simply running what he ran here. He's running the 2015 offense. And he has struggles running a more pass oriented offense. His impressive thing is his ability to adapt his offenses to the talent. But his passing stuff has its limitations.

What limitations on his offense lost their game yesterday? I'm really interested in this bc I wonder if you watched the game

[R2Dawg]

Those who are not willing to change, will always be left behind..... Yes..... Maybe changing to a pass heavy offense will work, but Leach may need to change as well to get acclimated to the SEC

We did change we went spread and run pass options like the masses and we've had the players to do it. Going air raid is a radical move and one that potentially is like blowing up the program to rebuild from the beginning. This was a big, big risk. Looks bad right now, jury still out, we'll see.

We may be seeing how bad Joe was.

[DovaDawg]

No reason to play KJ anymore. Get Rogers or even Shrader in and let's get to work. We need some threat of mobility at QB even if it's just within the pocket.

I said this same thing this morning. If the Air Raid depends on the QB being comfortable in the system, no sense in WR and GS not taking the rest of the snaps for the season.