I Despise Larry Templeton More and More Everyday

[Spiderman]

I wanted and prayed for Leach to come here when Jackie left.

Templeton as usual, tries to be Bama and hires a Bama reject.

What could have been.

[Bothrops]

Well we got him now

[Spiderman]

Well we got him now

Agree, but he's 58 now. In a related note, anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

[99jc]

I wanted and prayed for Leach to come here when Jackie left.

Templeton as usual, tries to be Bama and hires a Bama reject.

What could have been.

most here will never know the full extent of Templeton's damage to MSU! He is and always will be a Weasel. I've known him since he was a grad assistant living in Pecan Acres. Everything was about him and his advancement.

[msbulldog]

Agree, but he's 58 now. In a related note, anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

Hell no!

[TrapGame]

Agree, but he's 58 now. In a related note, anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

NOPE!!!

I think this is Leach's last stop and it's going to be his best. He is going to make us into a national brand. Our recruiting profile will go up significantly. And we will be playing Florida in the SECCG in the near future.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Guys, Larry works for the SEC and he has our backs!

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[State82]

anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

No. Freaking. Way.

[Todd4State]

His sorry ass had the attitude that we could only hire assistant coaches as head coaches. I think our success rate on that is 25%. And the 25% was Greg Byrne's hiring of Mullen.

[Jack Lambert]

most here will never know the full extent of Templeton's damage to MSU! He is and always will be a Weasel. I've known him since he was a grad assistant living in Pecan Acres. Everything was about him and his advancement.

He stayed too long. We did get to final four and SEC football championship under him.

[Todd4State]

Agree, but he's 58 now. In a related note, anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

No. And I think we dodged a bullet by not hiring Judge. He's inexperienced and we don't need that now. Napier has been barely winning close games. Makes me wonder if he is focusing on leaving after this year?

[Todd4State]

He stayed too long. We did get to final four and SEC football championship under him.

Because of Sherrill- a coach LT didn't want to hire.

[99jc]

He stayed too long. We did get to final four and SEC football championship under him.

i want to add an addendum: We did get to final four and SEC football championship in spite of him.

[msu15]

Because of Sherrill- a coach LT didn't want to hire.

Really? I wasn't even born yet, what was the story there and who did he want?

[War Machine Dawg]

Really? I wasn't even born yet, what was the story there and who did he want?

I don't remember who he wanted, but I've heard it before and was very unimpressed with the name. But basically JWS was a Dr. Z hire. Dr. Z told LT that we were hiring The Kang and LT better get on board with it. The rest is history. JWS showed us what we could potentially do and taught us to believe, gave us a sense of self-confidence. We regressed some under Croom, who was a 100% LT hire. But Greg Byrne and Mullen came along, building on the foundation laid by JWS. Thanks to The Kang, Byrne and Mullen, we had the confidence to revolt and demand swift change when Moorhead took us back down the crapper. And now we have Leach. God Bless Dr. Z, his foresight and JWS for giving us a good foundation for the future.

[AmiteDog]

I don?t think the older MSU fans could have handled Leach back in the early 2000s. The league was still pretty much a 3 yards and a cloud of dust league and most MSU fans wanted that. The Leach offense would have given many of our blue hairs a heart attack. We needed the ineptness of Croom to finally get many fans to understand that we couldn?t do it the traditional way. Even then we had many that took years to accept what Mullen was doing. Hell we still have a good many that aren?t happy with anything but an I formation.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't remember who he wanted, but I've heard it before and was very unimpressed with the name. But basically JWS was a Dr. Z hire. Dr. Z told LT that we were hiring The Kang and LT better get on board with it. The rest is history. JWS showed us what we could potentially do and taught us to believe, gave us a sense of self-confidence. We regressed some under Croom, who was a 100% LT hire. But Greg Byrne and Mullen came along, building on the foundation laid by JWS. Thanks to The Kang, Byrne and Mullen, we had the confidence to revolt and demand swift change when Moorhead took us back down the crapper. And now we have Leach. God Bless Dr. Z, his foresight and JWS for giving us a good foundation for the future.

Yes sir! My feelings exactly!

[Spiderman]

Because of Sherrill- a coach LT didn't want to hire.

yep

[Jarius]

I don?t think the older MSU fans could have handled Leach back in the early 2000s. The league was still pretty much a 3 yards and a cloud of dust league and most MSU fans wanted that. The Leach offense would have given many of our blue hairs a heart attack. We needed the ineptness of Croom to finally get many fans to understand that we couldn?t do it the traditional way. Even then we had many that took years to accept what Mullen was doing. Hell we still have a good many that aren?t happy with anything but an I formation.

People will get over things pretty quickly if you win, and he would have won bigly.

[Todd4State]

Really? I wasn't even born yet, what was the story there and who did he want?

What WMD said as far as the story goes. LT wanted Bobby Wallace if I remember correctly. He was a former MSU player who had a lot of success at D2 North Alabama and had been a DC under Felker. Eventually he ended up at Temple and he didn't win much there although Temple is definitely a bad job.


People will get over things pretty quickly if you win, and he would have won bigly.

Leach had been with Mumme at Kentucky and we all saw what a pain in the ass it was to defend the Air Raid when they were together. It seemed like every time we played them it ended up like 38-35. Mumme had zero defense though and I would have been all for pairing up Leach and Joe Lee Dunn in the late 1990's. No offense to Sparky Woods- no pun intended- but I bet we go 12-0 in 1999 with Leach and that defense. It would have been scary.

In some ways MSU fans are going to be more accepting of doing something like the Air Raid. But there is definitely the sect of MSU fans that think the only way we can win is to run the ball all the time too. Which is why I think Napier was so popular with some of our fans. Mike Leach will probably change that though.

[99jc]

What WMD said as far as the story goes. LT wanted Bobby Wallace if I remember correctly. He was a former MSU player who had a lot of success at D2 North Alabama and had been a DC under Felker. Eventually he ended up at Temple and he didn't win much there although Temple is definitely a bad job.



Leach had been with Mumme at Kentucky and we all saw what a pain in the ass it was to defend the Air Raid when they were together. It seemed like every time we played them it ended up like 38-35. Mumme had zero defense though and I would have been all for pairing up Leach and Joe Lee Dunn in the late 1990's. No offense to Sparky Woods- no pun intended- but I bet we go 12-0 in 1999 with Leach and that defense. It would have been scary.

In some ways MSU fans are going to be more accepting of doing something like the Air Raid. But there is definitely the sect of MSU fans that think the only way we can win is to run the ball all the time too. Which is why I think Napier was so popular with some of our fans. Mike Leach will probably change that though.

This is exactly the way it went down Todd!

[redstickdawg]

We need a stature to Doc Fogelsong who finally pulled the trigger and brought in new fresh blood. We have progressed exponentially since he (LT) left.

[Todd4State]

We need a stature to Doc Fogelsong who finally pulled the trigger and brought in new fresh blood. We have progressed exponentially since he (LT) left.

You're right but the problem is LT is like the Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars. He's always lurking around in the shadows and has some small influence even though he is "gone".

[Bothrops]

Agree, but he's 58 now. In a related note, anyone seriously believe if we hired Napier or Judge we'd be this happy today?

I didn't know he was 58, I thought he was early 60's for some reason.

No, we would most likely be bitching right now.

[maroonmania]

No. And I think we dodged a bullet by not hiring Judge. He's inexperienced and we don't need that now. Napier has been barely winning close games. Makes me wonder if he is focusing on leaving after this year?

What I can't understand is we were ready to hire Joe Judge (ZERO college experience), but per Rosebowl, Cohen decided not to offer the job to Joe Brady. I guess the only difference is that Judge was an MSU guy. Maybe Cohen figured we would be a stepping stone for Brady.

[maroonmania]

I didn't know he was 58, I thought he was early 60's for some reason.

No, we would most likely be bitching right now.

He turned 59 in March but he was 58 when he took our job.

[Spiderman]

What I can't understand is we were ready to hire Joe Judge (ZERO college experience), but per Rosebowl, Cohen decided not to offer the job to Joe Brady. I guess the only difference is that Judge was an MSU guy. Maybe Cohen figured we would be a stepping stone for Brady.

Judge was Croom 2. He was gonna come in here and whip everybody into shape the "right way". We dodged a big bullet if he was offered the job, and Cohen lucked out the Giants offered him if he did offer him the job.

[lastmajordog]

Spider I really appreciate this post by you.....