Shannon Terry says....

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Shannon Terry, founder of 247, tweeted that it will be a sad week for college football. Not looking good.

[DownwardDawg]

Yeah, I’m finally realizing that it just ain’t happening

[Maroonthirteen]

if that happens...... I hope CBS, espn and SECTV just re-air a past season. Just pretend we are still playing. Play Gameday. 11am games. 230games and night games. Just pretend they are live. All the way through the bowls.

[BeardoMSU]

if that happens...... I hope CBS, espn and SECTV just re-air a past season. Just pretend we are still playing. Play Gameday. 11am games. 230games and night games. Just pretend they are live. All the way through the bowls.

2014 would be a good choice.

[TrapGame]

Looks like the NFL has been asked to play games on Saturdays too. This is going around on a few NFL sites.

[Rick Danko]

At the risk of getting in trouble with the mods, it needs said.... 2020 can go suck a ****

[BeardoMSU]

Looks like the NFL has been asked to play games on Saturdays too. This is going around on a few NFL sites.

Yep, just saw that as well. I don't hate that. Would negate Monday morning hangovers, if nothing else.

[TALL DAWG]

Looks like the NFL has been asked to play games on Saturdays too. This is going around on a few NFL sites.

Good Grief!!!
Just play the college games with no fans in the stands!
That way, SEC would still get the tv $.

[ZedFedder]

Good Grief!!!
Just play the college games with no fans in the stands!
That way, SEC would still get the tv $.

Still kills local economies.

[msstate7]

I didn't think there would be a season for a while, so no surprise. This is a total kick in the nuts for Starkville and Oxford.

[BeardoMSU]

I didn't think there would be a season for a while, so no surprise. This is a total kick in the nuts for Starkville and Oxford.

Yep....sucks. No amount of expectation makes it any less shitty, either. Finality actually makes it feel worse, actually.

[HoopsDawg]

Never forget this is China's fault.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Exactly, HoopsDawg

[Thick]

**** the Chi-coms!!!

[TrapGame]

I didn't think there would be a season for a while, so no surprise. This is a total kick in the nuts for Starkville and Oxford.

If we do have a basketball/baseball season how many of these local businesses will still be open?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Property values will drop pretty quickly in Starkville... already noticed some dropped over the summer.

[No BS Dawg]

Never forget this is China's fault.

Very, very true.

[starkvegasdawg]

Never forget this is China's fault.

Do we loot and burn down Panda Express now?

[Todd4State]

Do we loot and burn down Panda Express now?

Hell no. But I will never eat at another Chinese restaurant ever again and when I have the opportunity I will not buy a product made in China.

[confucius say]

Sucks.
Trickle down to high school? If not, why not?

[Todd4State]

This is all a bunch of ****ing bullshit. They're grasping at straws at this point looking for excuses not to play. There are side effects and risks with everything in life. Heart condition? Ask Chucky Mullins family about spinal cord injuries playing football. Even worse- 99% of the player want to play. I hope there is a lawsuit when someone loses draft stock because of these pussies.

And I'll say it again- I hope every single one of those woke ****ing ***** sports writers gets laid off and has to actually do a real job for once. Bunch of soft bitches.

[Dawgology]

Well...I guess since there will probably never be a “cure” for this thing then we will just need to cancel everything forever and live in our bubbles...to be safe.

[confucius say]

Has anyone been able to articulate precisely how playing football markedly increases a college student's chances of having covid health issues vs him not playing football? If someone has a good link explaining it, please post.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Hell no. But I will never eat at another Chinese restaurant ever again and when I have the opportunity I will not buy a product made in China.
You won?t eat at a locally owned and ran restaurant by a Mississippi resident?

[confucius say]

https://www.outkick.com/the-battle-for-college-football-is-raging/

[Jack Lambert]

Sucks.
Trickle down to high school? If not, why not?

You saying air high school football? If there is no college football but there is high school football there will be some questions asked.

[Dawg2003]

That sucks. I don't see why we can't play with no fans at least.

[maroonmania]

Never forget this is China's fault.

Agree, while the start of this virus in humans may not have originally been intentional, there is no doubt that the Chinese Government (the real culprit here) chose to spread this around the world while at the same time trying to protect their own population. When China would not allow any flights domestically in and out of Wuhan but would allow all international travel in and out of there I'm not sure what other conclusion there is to come to?

[Dawgology]

And here is the direct result of the fear that media members have been propagating for the last 6 months. Why? It gets clicks and it sells advertising. Unfortunately there is a large swath of assholes in America that despise organized sports. Most of these are basement dwelling trolls that feed the cancel culture running through America right now.

And the end of the day university presidents are bowing to social media pressure and fear for their jobs. And let’s be honest here...everyone with any common sense knows why we are being bombarded with hot take headlines.

It’s going to be interesting when a bunch of the college football fearporn “journalists” are out of jobs. I wonder if the tune will change at that point?

[MaroonFlounder]

Never forget this is China's fault.

Common sense says NEVER trust a Communist country to be transparent. And the World Health Org was complicit, as they are in the pockets of the CCP.

[TrapGame]

Well...I guess since there will probably never be a “cure” for this thing then we will just need to cancel everything forever and live in our bubbles...to be safe.

I predict on November 4th a lot of the COVID 19 fear simply dissipates.

[MrKotter]

This is all a bunch of ****ing bullshit. They're grasping at straws at this point looking for excuses not to play. There are side effects and risks with everything in life. Heart condition? Ask Chucky Mullins family about spinal cord injuries playing football. Even worse- 99% of the player want to play. I hope there is a lawsuit when someone loses draft stock because of these pussies.

And I'll say it again- I hope every single one of those woke ****ing ***** sports writers gets laid off and has to actually do a real job for once. Bunch of soft bitches.
+1

[Dawgology]

I predict on November 4th a lot of the COVID 19 fear simply dissipates.

Agreed

[Dawg2003]

And here is the direct result of the fear that media members have been propagating for the last 6 months. Why? It gets clicks and it sells advertising. Unfortunately there is a large swath of assholes in America that despise organized sports. Most of these are basement dwelling trolls that feed the cancel culture running through America right now.

And the end of the day university presidents are bowing to social media pressure and fear for their jobs. And let’s be honest here...everyone with any common sense knows why we are being bombarded with hot take headlines.

It’s going to be interesting when a bunch of the college football fearporn “journalists” are out of jobs. I wonder if the tune will change at that point?

Why would the media propagate fear when cancelling college football hurts the same media members' jobs?

[Rick Danko]

Anyone wanna buy a condo. Without sports, as much as I love Starkville, not a damn lot of reasons to hang onto it.... this sucks so bad*#+^*$&!!!!?n

[War Machine Dawg]

I predict on November 4th a lot of the COVID 19 fear simply dissipates.

Only if a certain senile candidate being hidden in his basement to prevent the public from understanding just how rapid his cognitive deterioration is advancing wins. If a certain Orange Man wins, the riots we've been seeing for weeks will look like child's play.

[Todd4State]

You won?t eat at a locally owned and ran restaurant by a Mississippi resident?

You have a problem with how I choose to live my life?

[confucius say]

Why would the media propagate fear when cancelling college football hurts the same media members' jobs?

It gets clicks
It draws attention
And some, not all, love drama. Almost as much as they hate trump.

[Dawg2003]

It gets clicks
It draws attention
And some, not all, love drama. Almost as much as they hate trump.

Yeah, but, if college sports gets cancelled, some of the media are in danger of losing their jobs. They could be layed off.

[KOdawg1]

I predict on November 4th a lot of the COVID 19 fear simply dissipates.

Only if one candidate wins. If the other wins, then the unrest and riots that you've seen in past months will be nothing compared to what will happen.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, but, if college sports gets cancelled, some of the media are in danger of losing their jobs. They could be layed off.

I think they really are either oblivious or don't care. They'll just end up on blog. And then they'll be begging for people to feel sorry for them. Either way I don't give a shit.

[confucius say]

Yeah, but, if college sports gets cancelled, some of the media are in danger of losing their jobs. They could be layed off.

Local and regional guys, yea. That's why you don't see them doing that. The national guys should survive

[Cooterpoot]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

[KOdawg1]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

I don't think a single person has insinuated that the virus is "pretend bullshit." Show me that post. It's very real. But it is 100% guaranteed that if Joe Biden wins this November, the media's portrayal of this virus will take a 180.

[DownwardDawg]

Never forget this is China's fault.

NBA= Loves China

[DownwardDawg]

Only if a certain senile candidate being hidden in his basement to prevent the public from understanding just how rapid his cognitive deterioration is advancing wins. If a certain Orange Man wins, the riots we've been seeing for weeks will look like child's play.

If the orange man wins, the riots will end instant.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't think a single person has insinuated that the virus is "pretend bullshit." Show me that post. It's very real. But it is 100% guaranteed that if Joe Biden wins this November, the media's portrayal of this virus will take a 180.

No, if the left wins, we're in lockdown until a vaccine. We'd see money thrown around like we're all a failing automobile company. Unemployment will skyrocket again. Might have some food shortages etc.
If the right wins, it's simply more of this bullshit.

[Liverpooldawg]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

YEP

[TrapGame]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

Your masters in the media will stop covering it. It will slide down the pole of importance. Anything that makes Orange Man Bad is in play. After November 3rd it's on to something else whether he wins or not. And they certainly aren't going to make COVID an issue Biden has to deal with. The number of infections and deaths will all of sudden become less important to report especially on a national level. You just wait and see.

[Liverpooldawg]

No, if the left wins, we're in lockdown until a vaccine. We'd see money thrown around like we're all a failing automobile company. Unemployment will skyrocket again. Might have some food shortages etc.
If the right wins, it's simply more of this bullshit.

Most of the US has never done a real lockdown.

[chef dixon]

Blaming people like Dan Wolken and Pat Forde for CFB being canceled during a global pandemic is the biggest adult tantrum about not getting what you want. Re-evaluate your priories.

[BeardoMSU]

Only if a certain senile candidate being hidden in his basement to prevent the public from understanding just how rapid his cognitive deterioration is advancing wins. If a certain Orange Man wins, the riots we've been seeing for weeks will look like child's play.
Well, one candidate needs to learn how to drink a glass of water and walk down an inclined surface like a normal human being, and not an invalid, before you accuse the other candidate of mental decline. Same goes for articulating and pronouncing simple words without sounding like an infant learning how to speak for the first time.

Its baffling some want to play the mental acuity card between these two, lol.

[TrapGame]

Only if a certain senile candidate being hidden in his basement to prevent the public from understanding just how rapid his cognitive deterioration is advancing wins. If a certain Orange Man wins, the riots we've been seeing for weeks will look like child's play.


Only if one candidate wins. If the other wins, then the unrest and riots that you've seen in past months will be nothing compared to what will happen.

If Orange Man wins he sends in the Feds again. This time they aren't gonna be so nice. Once he's re-elected the gloves will come off.

[War Machine Dawg]

Why would the media propagate fear when cancelling college football hurts the same media members' jobs?

Most sports media members are even further to the left and more dumb than their "news" counterparts. They probably haven't thought that far ahead. You're giving them too much credit. It's all about inflicting maximum pain on America in the hopes we'll say anything is better than this and vote a specific way in November.

[TALL DAWG]

If Orange Man wins he sends in the Feds again. This time they aren't gonna be so nice. Once he's re-elected the gloves will come off.

I hope that?s exactly what happens.

The ?violet? demonstrators need to be tied to a post and whipped w/a bull whip. Put it on live national news and watch the snow flakes cry.

Throwing frozen water bottles/other items at police and using some type of laser beam and hurting 3-4 policemen?s eye sight is #ridiculous!

[Dolphus Raymond]

So it is still China?s fault? Relax and accept the beat-down in November. Acceptance is the key to everything.

[Cooterpoot]

Acceptance is the key to everything.

Thanks Bill Cosby

[msstate7]

So it is still China?s fault? Relax and accept the beat-down in November. Acceptance is the key to everything.

Maybe... here's an article 13 days before the 2016 election:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58112308e4b064e1b4b05ce5?test_ad=taboola_iframe _mw_news

[starkvegasdawg]

Well, one candidate needs to learn how to drink a glass of water and walk down an inclined surface like a normal human being, and not an invalid, before you accuse the other candidate of mental decline. Same goes for articulating and pronouncing simple words without sounding like an infant learning how to speak for the first time.

Its baffling some want to play the mental acuity card between these two, lol.

What's hillary got to do with this?

[Homedawg]

College sports as we know it are done. gonna be a Programs galore swimming in red ink and fold....

[Dolphus Raymond]

Please, read less Qanon and more Bill W. You can thank me later.

[BeardoMSU]

Losing the football season would obviously suck, and for us fans least of all....players, coaches, athletic departments, towns and local businesses, etc. are all going to be hit hard by this, and sadly, there's no telling how bad it will be.

But...to blame sports being cancelled on the likes of Dan Wolken, Pat Forte, Ross Delinger, etc. is just insane. Of all the people to blame.....literally of all the people that ****ing deserve blame.... y'all are blaming the ****ing media....like they wield that type of power? Guess what: they don't. Conference admins aren't making these decisions because of twitter comments and Dan Wolken articles. FFS, guys.

[Todd4State]

Losing the football season would obviously suck, and for us fans least of all....players, coaches, athletic departments, towns and local businesses, etc. are all going to be hit hard by this, and sadly, there's no telling how bad it will be.

But...to blame sports being cancelled on the likes of Dan Wolken, Pat Forte, Ross Delinger, etc. is just insane. Of all the people to blame.....literally of all the people that ****ing deserve blame.... y'all are blaming the ****ing media....like they wield that type of power? Guess what: they don't. Conference admins aren't making these decisions because of twitter comments and Dan Wolken articles. FFS, guys.

They're not the reason why it's getting cancelled. But they're assholes that don't want to see it work. That's why I want them fired.

[Bothrops]

If Orange Man wins he sends in the Feds again. This time they aren't gonna be so nice. Once he's re-elected the gloves will come off.

This is true, but there will be a lot of destruction in those urban centers before they get it curtailed. Trump being the antagonist to the communist movement would be delaying their advancement by winning a second term. But it's only a holdup to the inevitable.

[ZedFedder]

A ton of players, including some of MSU's, are using the hashtag #wewanttoplay. Worth searching on Twitter.

[Turfdawg67]

Never forget this is China's fault.


Hell no. But I will never eat at another Chinese restaurant ever again and when I have the opportunity I will not buy a product made in China.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a couple of douchebags. 17'n ban me, I don't give a shit. To even be remotely associated with people like this is a joke. Of course, being from MS, I've been around people like this my whole life.

[Cooterpoot]

A ton of players, including some of MSU's, are using the hashtag #wewanttoplay. Worth searching on Twitter.

If those kids were tweeting #BLM and they were organizing protests on campuses (large crowds) these presidents wouldn't blink an eye. They'd praise them for their leadership. But they won't let them decide their own fate on this? Some presidents need to be shown the door.

[Commercecomet24]

If those kids were tweeting #BLM and they were organizing protests on campuses (large crowds) these presidents wouldn't blink an eye. They'd praise them for their leadership. But they won't let them decide their own fate on this? Some presidents need to be shown the door.

Well said.

[Todd4State]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a couple of douchebags. 17'n ban me, I don't give a shit. To even be remotely associated with people like this is a joke. Of course, being from MS, I've been around people like this my whole life.

Leave. Go **** off. No one cares if you're here or not. Little bitch.

[LC Dawg]

Every time I see people bitching about sports being cancelled because of COVID I think of the lyrics to 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'.
"With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us"
Just change "out" to "on".
I guess Gen X has changed their focus.

[Todd4State]

Every time I see people bitching about sports being cancelled because of COVID I think of the lyrics to 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'.
"With the lights out, it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us"
Just change "out" to "on".
I guess Gen X has changed their focus.

Nice!

[Jack Lambert]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a couple of douchebags. 17'n ban me, I don't give a shit. To even be remotely associated with people like this is a joke. Of course, being from MS, I've been around people like this my whole life.

You would just set up another account under another email address. Talk is cheap.

[Jack Lambert]

Shannon Terry, founder of 247, tweeted that it will be a sad week for college football. Not looking good.

Personally I don't believe anything until it happens.

[Dawgology]

Losing the football season would obviously suck, and for us fans least of all....players, coaches, athletic departments, towns and local businesses, etc. are all going to be hit hard by this, and sadly, there's no telling how bad it will be.

But...to blame sports being cancelled on the likes of Dan Wolken, Pat Forte, Ross Delinger, etc. is just insane. Of all the people to blame.....literally of all the people that ****ing deserve blame.... y'all are blaming the ****ing media....like they wield that type of power? Guess what: they don't. Conference admins aren't making these decisions because of twitter comments and Dan Wolken articles. FFS, guys.

You?re actually missing the point big time. Go read about mob mentality/psychology and group think. Or better yet read 1984.

The reality is that the media feeds the masses whatever it wants to and social media amplifies that message times 100. It doesn?t matter what is true only what is being told. The truth becomes irrelevant. When you place cancel culture into an environment like that then you have a recipe for disaster because what the group thinks is what is right and if you have an alternate opinion then your life or business is destroyed (both literally and figuratively). The supposedly unbiased media usually walks lock-step with those canceling people as well and, in turn, amplifies cancel culture. It?s a symbiotic relationship that can 100% destroy anything...and politicians, celebrities, journalists, you name it are scared shitless of that. So the message is repeated and repeated until the truth and neutrality is gone and only the group message remains.

One of the biggest cancel culture movements going right now is trying to cancel our President and the media is complicit in this (outside of Fox News -which is a whole other issue). I don?t agree with everything he does but a lot of what is happening right now is an attempt to break him and impact the elections. It?s kind of obvious. But more devious and despicable to me is the underlying movement to cancel America. It?s happening right now. Quickly.

?Every record has been destroyed, or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.? - Orwell

[BeardoMSU]

You?re actually missing the point big time. Go read about mob mentality/psychology and group think. Or better yet read 1984.

The reality is that the media feeds the masses whatever it wants to and social media amplifies that message times 100. It doesn?t matter what is true only what is being told. The truth becomes irrelevant. When you place cancel culture into an environment like that then you have a recipe for disaster because what the group thinks is what is right and if you have an alternate opinion then your life or business is destroyed (both literally and figuratively). The supposedly unbiased media usually walks lock-step with those canceling people as well and, in turn, amplifies cancel culture. It?s a symbiotic relationship that can 100% destroy anything...and politicians, celebrities, journalists, you name it are scared shitless of that. So the message is repeated and repeated until the truth and neutrality is gone and only the group message remains.

One of the biggest cancel culture movements going right now is trying to cancel our President and the media is complicit in this (outside of Fox News -which is a whole other issue). I don?t agree with everything he does but a lot of what is happening right now is an attempt to break him and impact the elections. It?s kind of obvious. But more devious and despicable to me is the underlying movement to cancel America. It?s happening right now. Quickly.

?Every record has been destroyed, or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped.? - Orwell

I'm not missing the point, and I've read plenty of Orwell, 1984 included, thank you very much....but holy hell, the blissful irony on display here, while at the same time preaching about group think and mob mentality....

[Dawgology]

I'm not missing the point, and I've read plenty of Orwell, 1984 included, thank you very much....but holy hell, the blissful irony on display here, while at the same time preaching about group think and mob mentality....

Wait... so it’s ironic that a small group of people on a message board agree and don’t go along with the media mandated group think? Ok...

As always, the middle ground is the correct way but everyone wants extremes.

[BeardoMSU]

Wait... so it’s ironic that a small group of people on a message board agree and don’t go along with the media mandated group think? Ok...

As always, the middle ground is the correct way but everyone wants extremes.

Middle ground? Extremes? POTUS being cancelled? Impact elections (lol!)?

Think about those words in reference to your previous post. Again...irony.

[Bothrops]

It's the communist government of China that's the enemy of the U.S. Not necessarily Chinese nationals and certainly not Chinese-Americans.

[DeviousDawg]

Middle ground? Extremes? POTUS being cancelled? Impact elections (lol!)?

Think about those words in reference to your previous post. Again...irony.

BeardoMSU and Dawgology, you are both right, and both wrong.

Sure, Football being cancelled is the choice of conference officials, media talking heads have no authority over that issue. On the other hand, it's undeniable that social media can persuade and pressure leaders into making decisions that they wouldn't want to make had they not been pushed. An agenda was handed down from somewhere to some media members(who have an indirect, collective audience of tens of millions, if you follow college football at all you have heard something about this in the last 48 hours) and it has been pushed, they are just doing their jobs, reporting information that they receive. Maybe it was from the conference officials in order to prepare the masses for the inevitable, or maybe just to gauge popular opinion before making the call. Maybe it was from government agencies in order to put pressure on conference officials to cancel the season. I really don't know and never will. However, i do know that certain media members were pushing an agenda, and I do know that if the CFB season is canceled, it wasn't their fault. Don't kill the messenger, it's literally their job to be mouth pieces.

Are democrats exaggerating all things COVID and causing as much chaos and tension as possible in order to cancel Trump as president? No, COVID is real and so are the other issues being sensationalized across the country. On the other hand, I do know that the Dems despise the republican party and more specifically Donald Trump with everything they have. I do know that their is an election in November they desperately want to win, and I do know they will take advantage of whatever current issues they can in order to give themselves an edge, it's called trying to win, and you are kidding yourselves if you believe both sides aren't just as guilty of this.

In reality, we are where we are in America today because of the system that we follow. There is no middle ground, that's the problem, and it's undeniable. It started hundreds of years ago when our fore fathers created the two party system. We live in a binary society where on every issue, there are only two paths, one is red, one is blue, there is no in between. You check 1 box and you are checking 100s of sub boxes, with a lot of them having nothing to do with politics, you have no choice, voting for this side means voting for everything it stands for, even if you don't. Instead of having our own opinions against the grain of your party, we just accept that these are our beliefs and blindly fight for them. This creates division, hatred, and deception. We are 2 countries all living amongst each other inside the same border, and we are at digital Civil War.

Social Media and party backed News outlets have brought all of this to a boiling point. People across America spend large portions of their days mindlessly scrolling through social media and believe everything they see because they only follow people that say things they want to believe. Social media censors what you read, and what you can say, therefore what you believe. Anything you say on social media can be seen by anyone with internet access in the world, meaning someone will be offended and you will be beaten into submission by people who's beliefs align with the offended, muzzling true self expression. Party backed News Outlets control the lens you see the world and country through, on both sides. We have no choice, there is no news anymore, there is just red and blue propaganda. Either don't watch the news, or be brainwashed and spoon fed what your party wants you to believe. It's all built on hatred and greed, the two main causes of war. News outlet says it, follower then goes to social media and relay the message, and the cycle of party fed information trickles down through society over and over. How often do you hear someone say, "I heard(insert info here)", where did they hear it, probably somewhere on social media, which they heard from someone who heard it or read it on some biased news site/channel, its truly the age of misinformation, aka propaganda.

We the people are no longer in control, we are pitted against each other, and handed pitchforks and torches by the parties we represent. Both sides are equally wrong, both sides are equally guilty. Both sides are the cause and the effect of a binary society, it's a downward spiral with no end in sight.

Somewhere along the way we quit being Americans, and started being Democrats or Republicans.

We no longer compromise, we escalate.
We no longer respect, we degrade.
We no longer think, we are told.
We no longer communicate, we hide behind screens.
We no longer listen, we interrupt or impatiently wait until its our turn to spew BS.
We no longer decide, we blindly follow.
We are no longer under God, but instead under pressure to be neutral in our beliefs.
We no longer seek justice, but instead seek revenge.
We are no longer free, but instead prisoners of our own "side".
We no longer are one nation, but instead two clans in perpetual war.

It's a mess and it's hard to believe how lost we have become. The party leaders have used and abused their two platforms, their social media militias and news outlet propaganda specialist, so much that its gotten to the point where it's normalized and we don't even realize what is going on. We are all being used to further agendas of people that don't give a rats ass about you. We are all brainwashed pawns fighting someone else's fight under the impression that this is how life is supposed to be. America has it's scars and dark past, no doubt, but in the grand scheme, America was created to be a place where you can believe, say and do what you want without being socially disgraced or persecuted. We have lost sight of that and I honestly don't know if we will ever get back to thinking as one nation. You can't put technology back in the box once its created, social media, biased news channels, it will only get worse as long as they continue making money and pushing the agenda's of the people who regulate and control them.

You think the Egg Bowl is toxic? It's light hearted child's play compared to the rivalry between our countries two parties. In the end, all the issues we have, come down to our binary society and the Cowboys that are herding us into the left or right pasture, branding us before locking us in and feeding us as much hay as we can eat until it comes out the other end as bull shit. As long as we keep eating it, they will keep feeding it, and the cycle continues.

I'm extremely concerned about the future of our country and our society as a whole, things have to change from the top down in order for things to really get better, and I don't think that's a realistic expectation. Instead of divisive and exclusive social movements (all lives matter, with all due respect), why not all get together and demand equality and fair treatment for all American citizens? Why not demand change from the leaders of this country, who purposely pit us against each other in order to push their agendas and divert attention from the real problem... the greed and mind control from the 0.1% and people we elect to serve the 99.9% of us every day Americans.

That is my first and last politically based post, mods feel free to delete. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. I respect your opinion and your right to have that opinion. Let's find a middle ground and figure it out together.

It's gonna be a long fall without football, COVID can go **** itself.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Liberals won, NCAA sports are done.

[MrKotter]

Well, one candidate needs to learn how to drink a glass of water and walk down an inclined surface like a normal human being, and not an invalid, before you accuse the other candidate of mental decline. Same goes for articulating and pronouncing simple words without sounding like an infant learning how to speak for the first time.

Its baffling some want to play the mental acuity card between these two, lol.

You can't be serious? Have you actually watched Biden try to form a sentence recently? It's criminal what they're doing to this guy. He clearly is in bad shape mentally. And, as for walking, why is someone always holding on to him? I actually feel sorry for him.

[Quaoarsking]

You can't be serious? Have you actually watched Biden try to form a sentence recently? It's criminal what they're doing to this guy. He clearly is in bad shape mentally. And, as for walking, why is someone always holding on to him? I actually feel sorry for him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z613_M5gxE

Seems fine to me. You can selectively edit some clips to make anyone look like an idiot, invalid, or whatever else. Best to rely on long, uninterrupted videos, like this 2-hour long faceoff from earlier this year. He's the same goofy guy he's always been.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It probably should.

[Lord McBuckethead]

You can't be serious? Have you actually watched Biden try to form a sentence recently? It's criminal what they're doing to this guy. He clearly is in bad shape mentally. And, as for walking, why is someone always holding on to him? I actually feel sorry for him.

i believe it is more about him not being the guy that totally 17ed the covid response. At this point i would vote for literally anyone against Trump.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

If people are cancelled for past/present ideas, statements, etc, ....how come Biden hasn?t been cancelled?

[BrunswickDawg]

You can't be serious? Have you actually watched Biden try to form a sentence recently? It's criminal what they're doing to this guy. He clearly is in bad shape mentally. And, as for walking, why is someone always holding on to him? I actually feel sorry for him.

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1292131734906167296?s=20

[MrKotter]

i believe it is more about him not being the guy that totally 17ed the covid response. At this point i would vote for literally anyone against Trump.

You dems are too cute. Might want to check your facts on covid response and see who actually did the roadblocking. It's fun to throw out baseless accusations though isn't it? And if you don't think Biden has dementia you are in serious denial.

[Quaoarsking]

And if you don't think Biden has dementia you are in serious denial.

Watch the video I posted. It's a 2 hour 1v1 debate from earlier this year that a person with dementia would not have been able to handle. And since it was live, there would have been no way to edit out anything.

I know "Biden has dementia" is your party line and you're not the type of guy who goes against the party line, but this one is particularly disprovable. Biden has always been an awkward, kinda goofy guy, especially for a politician, but when you look past edited, deceitful attack chops and just watch long clips, you see he's fine.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

i believe it is more about him not being the guy that totally 17ed the covid response. At this point i would vote for literally anyone against Trump.

If you really believe this, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But at least look at this timeline of what happened. It's objective in nature.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/18/the-real-coronavirus-timeline-liberals-dont-want-you-to-see-n400638

Key points:
January 15, The House of Representatives send articles of impeachment to the Senate
January 16, The Senate impeachment trial begins
January 22, The rules of impeachment are approved.
January 24, Impeachment managers conclude their opening remarks
Jannuary 28, President Trump's legal team completes their opening arguments.
January 29, Senators begin 2 days of questions in impeachment trial.
On January 31, Trump banned travel from China while Joe Biden called it "Hysterical xenophobia" and "fear mongering"
February 3rd, Closing arguments in the impeachment trial are made.
February 5th, President Trump is acquitted on both articles of impeachment.
February 24, Nancy Pelosi tour China town to quell fears about the Corona virus.
February 29, the Trump administration rolls back Obama era regulations to speed up Corona Virus testing

Also, please look at this article.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Also, to say you would vote for literally anyone over Trump - hopefully "anyone" doesn't include Obama - who by his own Ebola Czar - got lucky. In the words of Ron Klain: "We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty Million Americans got H1N1 in the period of time. And it is purely afortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can't happen again, they don't have to look back to 1918, they just have to look back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a different virus with a different lethality, and you can do the math on that."

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02 percent. According to the CDC's latest estimate, the corona virus has an overall mortality rate of 0.4 percent for symptomatic cases (or 0.26 percent if you include asymptomatic cases) meaning the corona virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1.

Thank God we don't have Obama in office now.

[MaroonFlounder]

Watch the video I posted. It's a 2 hour 1v1 debate from earlier this year that a person with dementia would not have been able to handle. And since it was live, there would have been no way to edit out anything.

I know "Biden has dementia" is your party line and you're not the type of guy who goes against the party line, but this one is particularly disprovable. Biden has always been an awkward, kinda goofy guy, especially for a politician, but when you look past edited, deceitful attack chops and just watch long clips, you see he's fine.

There's a reason why 1) Obama didn't endorse him until he was literally the only one left standing and 2) Told him "Joe, you don't have to do this"

Obama knows something ain't right with him.

[Dawgology]

If you really believe this, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But at least look at this timeline of what happened. It's objective in nature.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/18/the-real-coronavirus-timeline-liberals-dont-want-you-to-see-n400638

Key points:
January 15, The House of Representatives send articles of impeachment to the Senate
January 16, The Senate impeachment trial begins
January 22, The rules of impeachment are approved.
January 24, Impeachment managers conclude their opening remarks
Jannuary 28, President Trump's legal team completes their opening arguments.
January 29, Senators begin 2 days of questions in impeachment trial.
On January 31, Trump banned travel from China while Joe Biden called it "Hysterical xenophobia" and "fear mongering"
February 3rd, Closing arguments in the impeachment trial are made.
February 5th, President Trump is acquitted on both articles of impeachment.
February 24, Nancy Pelosi tour China town to quell fears about the Corona virus.
February 29, the Trump administration rolls back Obama era regulations to speed up Corona Virus testing

Also, please look at this article.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Also, to say you would vote for literally anyone over Trump - hopefully "anyone" doesn't include Obama - who by his own Ebola Czar - got lucky. In the words of Ron Klain: "We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty Million Americans got H1N1 in the period of time. And it is purely afortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can't happen again, they don't have to look back to 1918, they just have to look back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a different virus with a different lethality, and you can do the math on that."

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02 percent. According to the CDC's latest estimate, the corona virus has an overall mortality rate of 0.4 percent for symptomatic cases (or 0.26 percent if you include asymptomatic cases) meaning the corona virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1.

Thank God we don't have Obama in office now.

Don't bring facts to this argument!***

The facts are that the democrats have fought EVERYTHING that Trump has done tooth and nail. Every move he has made (see increased testing and China travel ban) was critisized by dems and parroted by the media. The goal posts have conistently moved.

[BeardoMSU]

If you really believe this, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But at least look at this timeline of what happened. It's objective in nature.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/18/the-real-coronavirus-timeline-liberals-dont-want-you-to-see-n400638

Key points:
January 15, The House of Representatives send articles of impeachment to the Senate
January 16, The Senate impeachment trial begins
January 22, The rules of impeachment are approved.
January 24, Impeachment managers conclude their opening remarks
Jannuary 28, President Trump's legal team completes their opening arguments.
January 29, Senators begin 2 days of questions in impeachment trial.
On January 31, Trump banned travel from China while Joe Biden called it "Hysterical xenophobia" and "fear mongering"
February 3rd, Closing arguments in the impeachment trial are made.
February 5th, President Trump is acquitted on both articles of impeachment.
February 24, Nancy Pelosi tour China town to quell fears about the Corona virus.
February 29, the Trump administration rolls back Obama era regulations to speed up Corona Virus testing

Also, please look at this article.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Also, to say you would vote for literally anyone over Trump - hopefully "anyone" doesn't include Obama - who by his own Ebola Czar - got lucky. In the words of Ron Klain: "We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty Million Americans got H1N1 in the period of time. And it is purely afortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can't happen again, they don't have to look back to 1918, they just have to look back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a different virus with a different lethality, and you can do the math on that."

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02 percent. According to the CDC's latest estimate, the corona virus has an overall mortality rate of 0.4 percent for symptomatic cases (or 0.26 percent if you include asymptomatic cases) meaning the corona virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1.

Thank God we don't have Obama in office now.

A few important moments missing from that timeline, lol....not surprising, though, considering the source...but I guess the desired effect was successful.

Here's a more comprehensive list, from a conservative source, no less....

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/?fbclid=IwAR2s6ve6-qn-0y9HOoFl77Uf9Xk5BtMw1uplCJn-QIDP5dWoDlGawpFY15g

[Commercecomet24]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

[Lord McBuckethead]

If you really believe this, there's probably nothing I can say to change your mind. But at least look at this timeline of what happened. It's objective in nature.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/18/the-real-coronavirus-timeline-liberals-dont-want-you-to-see-n400638

Key points:
January 15, The House of Representatives send articles of impeachment to the Senate
January 16, The Senate impeachment trial begins
January 22, The rules of impeachment are approved.
January 24, Impeachment managers conclude their opening remarks
Jannuary 28, President Trump's legal team completes their opening arguments.
January 29, Senators begin 2 days of questions in impeachment trial.
On January 31, Trump banned travel from China while Joe Biden called it "Hysterical xenophobia" and "fear mongering"
February 3rd, Closing arguments in the impeachment trial are made.
February 5th, President Trump is acquitted on both articles of impeachment.
February 24, Nancy Pelosi tour China town to quell fears about the Corona virus.
February 29, the Trump administration rolls back Obama era regulations to speed up Corona Virus testing

Also, please look at this article.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Also, to say you would vote for literally anyone over Trump - hopefully "anyone" doesn't include Obama - who by his own Ebola Czar - got lucky. In the words of Ron Klain: "We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty Million Americans got H1N1 in the period of time. And it is purely afortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can't happen again, they don't have to look back to 1918, they just have to look back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a different virus with a different lethality, and you can do the math on that."

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02 percent. According to the CDC's latest estimate, the corona virus has an overall mortality rate of 0.4 percent for symptomatic cases (or 0.26 percent if you include asymptomatic cases) meaning the corona virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1.

Thank God we don't have Obama in office now.

I wish obama had another term to serve. i would vote for him in a second.
And yes, there is literally nothing you could say to change my mind. Nothing. I know what I value in leadership. I know what I would like this country to become, a more perfect union. I understand basic math. I own my own small business. I used to understand Republicans. Not anymore.

[Lord McBuckethead]

A few important moments missing from that timeline, lol....not surprising, though, considering the source...but I guess the desired effect was successful.

Here's a more comprehensive list, from a conservative source, no less....

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/?fbclid=IwAR2s6ve6-qn-0y9HOoFl77Uf9Xk5BtMw1uplCJn-QIDP5dWoDlGawpFY15g

Good article. Add that to the bullshit timeline above and you will have something. Unfortunately, people want to focus on the complete shitting of the bed by this President in Jan, Feb, March, April, May, June and part of July on the Covid Response. This started from the moment he disbanded the infectious disease response team, and hit its high point when he called it a hoax and refused to give clear guidance on how to manage your daily lives. Shit he just put on a mask like two weeks ago. What a 17ing abortion of a human being and leader.

[Lord McBuckethead]

in before the lock.
Also, the greatest thing about the US is that my vote cancels out one of yours.

[BeardoMSU]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Also, to say you would vote for literally anyone over Trump - hopefully "anyone" doesn't include Obama - who by his own Ebola Czar - got lucky. In the words of Ron Klain: "We did every possible thing wrong. Sixty Million Americans got H1N1 in the period of time. And it is purely afortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck. If anyone thinks that can't happen again, they don't have to look back to 1918, they just have to look back to 2009, 2010, and imagine a different virus with a different lethality, and you can do the math on that."

H1N1 had a mortality rate of 0.02 percent. According to the CDC's latest estimate, the corona virus has an overall mortality rate of 0.4 percent for symptomatic cases (or 0.26 percent if you include asymptomatic cases) meaning the corona virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1.

Thank God we don't have Obama in office now.

Also, even though this isn't an apples to apples comparison, since you brought up H1N1....

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

From April 2009 to April 2010, 60 million cases and 12,469 total deaths in the United States....a death rate of 0.02078%...we're only 8 months into COVID, btw. How many deaths so far?

Also...the cabinet was far from bare for a COVID response. In fact, it was the opposite...

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/international/Pages/napapi.aspx
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/NSTC/towards_epidemic_prediction-federal_efforts_and_opportunities.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm

Unfortunately...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/497910-mcconnell-says-obama-administration-did-leave-behind-pandemic-plan

[Dawgology]

in before the lock.
Also, the greatest thing about the US is that my vote cancels out one of yours.

My vote doesn't count anyway...I typically vote libertarian.

[BeardoMSU]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

I'm always ready to fight about bunting, CC.**


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctFf91EUUTw

[TrapGame]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

(The Judds sing in the background) "Grandpa, tell us bout the good ol'days..." **

[MSUDAWGFAN]

A few important moments missing from that timeline, lol....not surprising, though, considering the source...but I guess the desired effect was successful.

Here's a more comprehensive list, from a conservative source, no less....

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/?fbclid=IwAR2s6ve6-qn-0y9HOoFl77Uf9Xk5BtMw1uplCJn-QIDP5dWoDlGawpFY15g

Well, this does not appear to be quite the unbiased source. For one, it calls Trump's travel ban his "fake travel ban". It wasn't fake. It was very real. And my own ears heard several high profile Democrats refer to it as Xenophobic. It also doesn't show that the Democrats were so preoccupied with the impeachment trial to show they were actually doing anything except trying to impede Trump's progress on preventing the virus. It also doesn't mention that the N95 mask shortage was created when the Obama administration failed to replenish the supply after they used it for H1N1. I could point to a few other things it doesn't mention, but you could just click the link I posted first and check those out. There were many steps Trump took, and all he faced was a Democrat party that tried to impede him every step of the way.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/how-obamas-failure-resupply-respirators-federal-stockpile-created-2020

I do concede that Trump had time to replenish it during his time as President, but to say he is solely responsible for it is just false. The blame is largely to go to the Obama administration, which Joe Biden was a member of.

Like I said, probably nothing I can say or facts I can point to will convince you that Trump has done a much better job on this than Obama did. As I said, even Ron Klain said they basically got lucky. If that doesn't do it, nothing will.

[confucius say]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

Stans!!!!!

[Dawgology]

You must spread rep. Good one.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

I'd give a lot of money to watch Brandon Holloway run up the middle or Moorhead's check with me no huddle offense moving at a snails pace

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Also, even though this isn't an apples to apples comparison, since you brought up H1N1....

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

From April 2009 to April 2010, 60 million cases and 12,469 total deaths in the United States....a death rate of 0.02078%...we're only 8 months into COVID, btw. How many deaths so far?

Also...the cabinet was far from bare for a COVID response. In fact, it was the opposite...

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/international/Pages/napapi.aspx
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/NSTC/towards_epidemic_prediction-federal_efforts_and_opportunities.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/obama-team-left-pandemic-playbook-for-trump-administration-officials-confirm

Unfortunately...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/497910-mcconnell-says-obama-administration-did-leave-behind-pandemic-plan



You don understand the differences between mortality rates between the two viruses, right? Please, for the love of God, don't try to compare the two. As I posted above, the mortality rate of Corona Virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1. We got lucky in 2009-2010.

[BeardoMSU]

You don understand the differences between mortality rates between the two viruses, right? Please, for the love of God, don't try to compare the two. As I posted above, the mortality rate of Corona Virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1. We got lucky in 2009-2010.

The first thing I said was COVID vs H1N1 "is not an apples to apples comparison, but since you brought it up". Did you skip that part?

And the intent, obviously, wasn't to compare the mortality rates of the two (see above), but to the note the number of dead Americans in both time spans.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

but to the note the number of dead Americans in both time spans.

So that has nothing to do with mortality rate, right? I think it is DIRECTLY related to it.

[BeardoMSU]

As I said, even Ron Klain said they basically got lucky. If that doesn't do it, nothing will.

Ron Klain has had plenty to say...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/obama-ebola-czar-trump-administration-failed-on-coronavirus-response.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/obamas-ebola-czar-on-how-trump-bungled-coronavirus-response.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/488812-obama-ebola-czar-hits-trump-virus-response-in-biden-campaign-video
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-era-ebola-czar-white-house-blind-bad/story?id=69774179

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Of course he is going to critique Trump unfairly. He is of the opposite party as Trump. I find it interesting that he basically gave Obama an F. That would be like Pence giving Trump an F.

[Quaoarsking]

And my own ears heard several high profile Democrats refer to it as Xenophobic.

Who said that about the "travel ban" in particular? How are you defining "high profile" ? I mean, there are hundreds of Dems in the House and plenty are morons, so somebody might have said something along those lines, but it wasn't Joe Biden.

Lots of people, including Biden, have called Trump xenophobic in general over the years, but not about the travel ban itself. Republicans try to make a connection that doesn't exist on those statements because that's the best they can do.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

The Bulwark is no conservative source. These are current headlines on this site:
"The ravings of Mad King Trump"
"What if it's burned down already?"
"Trump has a Pen and a Phone"
"Trump saying Biden would 'hurt the bible' and 'hurt God' is the height of hypocrisy"
"Trump got bored with Venezuela"


Hell, if you can point to one positive article from this source on Trump, I'll acknowledge it.

[Quaoarsking]

The Bulwark is no conservative source. These are current headlines on this site:
"The ravings of Mad King Trump"
"What if it's burned down already?"
"Trump has a Pen and a Phone"
"Trump saying Biden would 'hurt the bible' and 'hurt God' is the height of hypocrisy"
"Trump got bored with Venezuela"


Hell, if you can point to one positive article from this source on Trump, I'll acknowledge it.

Is supporting Trump the only thing that determines whether something is conservative these days? Is Ben Shapiro conservative? Justin Amash? George Will? Ann Coulter?

[BeardoMSU]

Of course he is going to critique Trump unfairly. He is of the opposite party as Trump. I find it interesting that he basically gave Obama an F. That would be like Pence giving Trump an F.

"Basically gave Obama an F"?

Lol, saying "they got lucky" isn't remotely the same. I wish we were all so lucky, especially now.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Who said that about the "travel ban" in particular? How are you defining "high profile" ? I mean, there are hundreds of Dems in the House and plenty are morons, so somebody might have said something along those lines, but it wasn't Joe Biden.

Lots of people, including Biden, have called Trump xenophobic in general over the years, but not about the travel ban itself. Republicans try to make a connection that doesn't exist on those statements because that's the best they can do.

Well, Nancy Pelosi is one. Here is her statement.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

This is from January 31, the same day Trump issued the ban.

And yes, Joe Biden was another. He can go back and try revisionist history, and that works with a large percentage of the population. But he said it then. And he said it specifically due to the travel ban.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-coronavirus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic

[ScoobaDawg]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

Thank you. It's disgusting someone can logically think things will magically get better no matter which candidate wins. No. this sh!t isn't going anywhere until a vaccine that works gets into most of the population.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Well, he did say they "Got everything wrong." Maybe he didn't use the same vernacular, but that's kind of close. If your professor in college were to give you a grade when you got everything wrong, what grade do you think it would be?

[BeardoMSU]

Is supporting Trump the only thing that determines whether something is conservative these days? Is Ben Shapiro conservative? Justin Amash? George Will? Ann Coulter?

And you can add David French, Jonah Goldberg, David Frum, Noah Rothman, Rich Lowry, and Seth Mandel to the list of mainstream conservative voices that haven't rendered unto Caesar.

[Dawgology]

Well, Nancy Pelosi is one. Here is her statement.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

This is from January 31, the same day Trump issued the ban.

And yes, Joe Biden was another. He can go back and try revisionist history, and that works with a large percentage of the population. But he said it then. And he said it specifically due to the travel ban.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-coronavirus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic

He got you there, dude.

[BeardoMSU]

Well, he did say they "Got everything wrong." Maybe he didn't use the same vernacular, but that's kind of close. If your professor in college were to give you a grade when you got everything wrong, what grade do you think it would be?

Where is the full quote and context of that discussion? I would like to see it.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Biden can say whatever he wants and it does not matter. He gets a pass because ?we?ll, he?s always been goofy?

[MSUDAWGFAN]

No, but keep in mind, Bill Kristol is one of the loudest "Never Trumpers" on the planet.

If it's a conservative site, surely there is at least one positive article on Trump. In the 5-10 minutes I spent looking at it, I couldn't find one. Not one.

And if you say, like someone else did, that the site I listed, PJMedia is "bullshit", then there should be at least some "bullshit" on there too.

Just link one positive article on Trump. Just one.

[Quaoarsking]

Well, Nancy Pelosi is one. Here is her statement.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

This is from January 31, the same day Trump issued the ban.

Well ... Here is the whole press release you linked. Notice anything?

Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi released this statement after the Trump Administration announced it is adding Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania and Sudan to the travel ban that the President instituted three years ago:

“The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law. The sweeping rule, barring more than 350 million individuals from predominantly African nations from traveling to the United States, is discrimination disguised as policy.

“America’s strength has always been as a beacon of hope and opportunity for people around the world, whose dreams and aspirations have enriched our nation and made America more American. With this latest callous decision, the President has doubled down on his cruelty and further undermined our global leadership, our Constitution and our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants.

“In the Congress and in the Courts, House Democrats will continue to oppose the Administration’s dangerous anti-immigrant agenda. In the coming weeks, the House Judiciary Committee will mark-up and bring to the Floor the NO BAN Act to prohibit religious discrimination in our immigration system and limit the President’s ability to impose such biased and bigoted restrictions. We will never allow hatred or bigotry to define our nation or destroy our values.”




And yes, Joe Biden was another. He can go back and try revisionist history, and that works with a large percentage of the population. But he said it then. And he said it specifically due to the travel ban.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/498350-biden-trumps-coronavirus-response-has-been-nakedly-xenophobic

That article doesn't attribute any quote about Biden calling the travel ban xenophobic, nor does it say he said that without quoting him. I'm not really sure why you linked it to me. I already stated that Biden has called Trump xenophobic in general, just that he didn't say that specifically about the travle ban.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Where is the full quote and context of that discussion? I would like to see it.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

[Extendedcab]

I wish obama had another term to serve. i would vote for him in a second.
And yes, there is literally nothing you could say to change my mind. Nothing. I know what I value in leadership. I know what I would like this country to become, a more perfect union. I understand basic math. I own my own small business. I used to understand Republicans. Not anymore.

Oh my, have you actually looked at the DNC.org web site to see their "values" and compare them to the GOP.com values? The DNC is NOT Pro Life, NOT Pro family (any same sex union qualify), NOT pro Second Amendment, NOT free enterprise supportive (socialism), NOT for border security, NOT pro free speech (look at conservative speakers that have been protested), NOT for individual freedoms (socialist), NOT for private property ownership, NOT pro dignity of a man (welfare for generations), NOT pro capital punishment, NOT industry friendly (kill industry with carbon tax or other environmental restrictions), NOT pro strong military, NOT pro judges that adjudicate according to the constitution, NOT pro founding fathers principles (want to change the birth date of the US), NOT pro America first, NOT pro innocent before proven guilty, NOT pro individual accountability, NOT pro freedom of religion - Christanity (unless it is human secularism) and NOT pro small government. What they are for though is, government run healthcare, guaranteed government monthly salary (welfare for all), limited freedoms that those before us fought and died for, every perversion known to man (you can even marry your personal digital assistant), legalizing illicit drugs (get stoned everybody - yeah), convict a person on hearsay, convict a person with the press (fake news), releasing criminals from prison, pro rioting and destroying private property, pro raising taxes, pro killing babies in the womb (the innocent), raise minimum wages (until no one can afford the products being produced), pro gun control (look at more restrictive cities like Chicago and DC for examples of how great that works). So what exactly do you like about the DNC posture? It is pro-death! Death to America, Death to freedoms, death to accountability, death to the American dream and anti Biblical values!

Read the GOP.com site and see the values they uphold. It is in stark contrast and opposite to what the DNC stand for.

Forget the actual people in Congress, in each party, for the moment and consider that regardless of the party, 99%+ of the time members of Congress vote party line due to pressure form the party leadership. Some of you people look only at the personality of the person and not what the person or their political party stands for.

If you can't understand Republicans (not RINOs) it is because the light is too bright and you can not see your surroundings!

[Quaoarsking]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

"PJ Media" is probably not a website you want to rely on, considering how they've gotten caught making up fake stories about Google's algorithm and what is and isn't in the Green New Deal (something very easily verifiable on the US House website).

[Commercecomet24]

Stans!!!!!

I knew I'd forget one!

[Commercecomet24]

I'd give a lot of money to watch Brandon Holloway run up the middle or Moorhead's check with me no huddle offense moving at a snails pace

Same here! Heck I'd give almost anything to watch a Croom led team at this point!

[Extendedcab]

Same here! Heck I'd give almost anything to watch a Croom led team at this point!

Isn't that a little painful given his overall record?

[ScoobaDawg]

Y'all have fun. will be no lock. done policing this crap.

[DLGDawg]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

Absolutely. One thing I know for certain...if there was a dem pres when all this started....the reps would be saying the dems handled it terribly. If there was a rep pres, the dems would be saying....you get the idea.

[Commercecomet24]

Isn't that a little painful given his overall record?

While watching his teams were painful, what's going on right now in the world and the on this board is more painful.

[Commercecomet24]

Y'all have fun. will be no lock. done policing this crap.

I don't blame you one bit.

[BeardoMSU]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/09/flashback-barack-obama-abruptly-halted-h1n1-testing-undermining-biden-attacks-on-trump-n624305

Ok, that article links a 40 second clip of Klain talking as part of a CSPAN panel on H1N1. Yes, he does say that "they did everything wrong", "we were lucky", and "it could happen again". He then says "But I'll say this...", but the video cuts away, and doesn't give context to what he was discussing in full. Unfortunately, that 40 second clip is all I can find on YouTube, and it's only on pro-Trump YouTube pages.

Saying you were unprepared to deal with something unprecedented, learned as you went, got very lucky, and passing on that knowledge to the next group is....failure?

That's because Klain is in no way saying his efforts or that of the administration were a "failure".

Here is the full interview.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?460710-4/pandemic-biosecurity-policy-summit-part-2

Edit: also let me add, that to distill that entire panel discussion into a 40 second clip out of context, is bottom of the barrel intellectual dishonesty. The full scope of Klein's comments are quite fascinating, especially considering the state we're in now, as that was exactly what he was warning against.

[DownwardDawg]

Y'all have fun. will be no lock. done policing this crap.

Awwwww Hail!!!!!! Here we go.......

[MSUDAWGFAN]

"PJ Media" is probably not a website you want to rely on, considering how they've gotten caught making up fake stories about Google's algorithm and what is and isn't in the Green New Deal (something very easily verifiable on the US House website).

Is that similar to MSNBC completely ignoring the commetn Joe Biden made about "Latinos having diversity of thought. but the black community does not." I know that isn't the exact quote, but it's something along those lines.

How about this - as someone else said, there is nothing I can do to change their mind, despite any facts I may present. His mind is made up. I like to think I can change my mind, and in fact have. For one, I didn't even vote for Trump in the primary. I voted for Ted Cruz. True story. But, I admit I was wrong. I was scared Trump would be a bait and switch because he has supported Democrats in the past. I figured once elected, he would pass liberal policies. He hasn't. And his economy was so great that Obama was trying to take credit for it 3 years later.

But since you discredit any source I have, let's just stop talking about it. I'm sure I can't convince you, and Democrats - with their talk of Xenophobia and horrible economic recovery with higher taxes can't convince me. So, let's just stop.

Have a nice day.

[Extendedcab]

While watching his teams were painful, what's going on right now in the world and the on this board is more painful.

I couldn't agree more. What an option though, smash you left toes with a hammer or smash your right toes with a hammer - OUCH! It all hurts!!

[Commercecomet24]

I couldn't agree more. What an option though, smash you left toes with a hammer or smash your right toes with a hammer - OUCH! It all hurts!!

LOL exactly!

[Jack Lambert]

Y'all have fun. will be no lock. done policing this crap.

That happened at SPS. The animals are running the zoo.

[Dawgology]

Y'all have fun. will be no lock. done policing this crap.

Well this just went to a "whole nutha level"...

[gravedigger]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a couple of douchebags. 17'n ban me, I don't give a shit. To even be remotely associated with people like this is a joke. Of course, being from MS, I've been around people like this my whole life.

Kinda makes you wish the same brand of douchebags weren't running our country, huh?

[gravedigger]

You have a problem with how I choose to live my life?

This is going to absolutely blow your mind, but Chinese restaurants are called that because of the kind of food.

I know, right?

[Dawg2003]

#CancelChineseRestaurants***

[BeardoMSU]

#CancelChineseRestaurants***

Mexican restaurants are next**

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f32d9f72d3c05d8f4803ef028e403e2d/tenor.gif?itemid=7307515

[weeniedawg]

Hell no. But I will never eat at another Chinese restaurant ever again and when I have the opportunity I will not buy a product made in China.

You could still go to the Chinese buffets and just eat the pizza and chicken nuggets.

[Dawgology]

You could still go to the Chinese buffets and just eat the pizza and chicken nuggets.

Now THAT is comedy gold.

I shall not stop eating chinese at our local establishments but, of course, my local establishments don't serve bat.

At least...not that I know of.

[MaroonFlounder]

You don understand the differences between mortality rates between the two viruses, right? Please, for the love of God, don't try to compare the two. As I posted above, the mortality rate of Corona Virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1. We got lucky in 2009-2010.

We don't KNOW the true mortality rate of COVID 19, because so many deaths are just being called COVID DEATHS just for the HELL of it, to get funding and to make orange man bad look BAD in an election year.

[ScoobaDawg]

That happened at SPS. The animals are running the zoo.

If football truly doesn't happen... i don't want to think what this site will become.
I'm enjoying spending my time discussing bourbon, local food to me, and non political things on another board that is more local for me.

As long as things don't tun racist, or someone goes after someone personally (aka doxing) I'm more likely to let things be.. I don't care to argue with people about covid when people are pushing agenda driven instead of science based (deaths aren't the number that truly matter in the end to me, recovery is great but far more studies need to be done on heart, lung, and brain issues with people that DON'T have pre-existing conditions).

and politics make me sick, I already know how I have to vote and will live with whatever happens. I've got enough personal things to deal with and job #1 in life is always take care of yourself and your family.. mentally, physically, and spiritual.

God bless all.. I'm not walking away from the site.. but not gonna fight a battle to keep order to discuss MSU sports.. if there might not be any sports this fall.. we will see.

[BiscuitEater]

I didn't think there would be a season for a while, so no surprise. This is a total kick in the nuts for Starkville and Oxford.

You also said baseball would be cancelled like two weeks ago!

[BiscuitEater]

Watch the video I posted. It's a 2 hour 1v1 debate from earlier this year that a person with dementia would not have been able to handle. And since it was live, there would have been no way to edit out anything.

I know "Biden has dementia" is your party line and you're not the type of guy who goes against the party line, but this one is particularly disprovable. Biden has always been an awkward, kinda goofy guy, especially for a politician, but when you look past edited, deceitful attack chops and just watch long clips, you see he's fine.

Democrats will NEVER Biden let Biden debate Trump. Won't happen .. period. They are already coming up with excuses.

Joe's in the basement watching cartoons and they won't let him out!

[BiscuitEater]

A few important moments missing from that timeline, lol....not surprising, though, considering the source...but I guess the desired effect was successful.

Here's a more comprehensive list, from a conservative source, no less....

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/?fbclid=IwAR2s6ve6-qn-0y9HOoFl77Uf9Xk5BtMw1uplCJn-QIDP5dWoDlGawpFY15g

Doesn't show Pelosi ripping up Trump's State of the Union Speech .. the one where he warned the country about COVID. They must of missed that.

[civildawg]

That happened at SPS. The animals are running the zoo.

I agree. I used to be a regular poster there way more than here and the last couple of months I have barely visited there. That board is out of control and I honestly can?t believe DS let it get so bad.

[BiscuitEater]

Who said that about the "travel ban" in particular? How are you defining "high profile" ? I mean, there are hundreds of Dems in the House and plenty are morons, so somebody might have said something along those lines, but it wasn't Joe Biden.

Lots of people, including Biden, have called Trump xenophobic in general over the years, but not about the travel ban itself. Republicans try to make a connection that doesn't exist on those statements because that's the best they can do.

Joe Biden tweeted on 1 Feb, one day after Trump announced the 'Travel Ban' ...

?We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science ? not Donald Trump?s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergenc
'

[Liverpooldawg]

We don't KNOW the true mortality rate of COVID 19, because so many deaths are just being called COVID DEATHS just for the HELL of it, to get funding and to make orange man bad look BAD in an election year.

In all likelyhood it's a massive undercount. Excess deaths when compared to past years say we are probably off by about 40-50K so far.

[Cowbell]

In all likelyhood it's a massive undercount. Excess deaths when compared to past years say we are probably off by about 40-50K so far.

How many of those deaths are due to suicide or no opportunity for an elective procedure??

[Lord McBuckethead]

How many of those deaths are due to suicide or no opportunity for an elective procedure??
That may have happened like 4 times.

[Really Clark?]

That may have happened like 4 times.

4 times? I personally know 3 people who (family member, church member) died not from Covid but because of delayed surgery.

[Dawgology]

That may have happened like 4 times.

Lmfao!!!

[thf24]

That may have happened like 4 times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/

Do you honestly believe there have been only "like 4" suicides as a result of the effects this article describes?

Marginalizing the (unavoidable, to an extent) negative consequences of the measures taken to combat the virus is every bit as ignorant and dangerous as marginalizing the virus itself.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Debating politics no longer enters my radar since both parties are so corrupt. They are equally guilty for politicizing this virus instead of giving us the facts. We have not had a good presidential candidate in decades. McCain was probably the best option since Bush Sr and then he picked crazy Sarah for his VP and he still had tons of flaws. Until things are revamped in politics, it will just be the same thing with nothing getting accomplished. An old man with dementia vs an egotistical narcissist as our choices.

[R2Dawg]

That may have happened like 4 times.

Boy you are in the dark; CDC even said the big pandemic now is suicide, depression and drug and alcohol abuse. Some folks are willing to kill the country to gain power. CDC also said the flu is 5-10 worse than Covid on young people. No reason for the school and sports hysteria. Protect those vulnerable and take the leash off the economy or a depression could result.

[Jack Lambert]

Mexican restaurants are next**

https://media1.tenor.com/images/f32d9f72d3c05d8f4803ef028e403e2d/tenor.gif?itemid=7307515

There is an Mexican Restaurant in Flowood by the Belks and they have a sign that says Mask are required and don't act like an Karen. No problem with the mask but hasn't Karan become a white racial slur?

[BeardoMSU]

There is an Mexican Restaurant in Flowood by the Belks and they have a sign that says Mask are required and don't act like an Karen. No problem with the mask but hasn't Karan become a white racial slur?

The whole Karen thing is stupid as hell. I don't know if it quite qualifies as a bona fide racial slur, though. Regardless, I hope its 15 minutes are almost up.