PAC12 football

[msstate7]

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Is this real? Saw this on Facebook

[Leroy Jenkins]

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Is this real? Saw this on Facebook


Do the players in the non-revenue producing sports (which is pretty much everything outside of CFB and men's basketball) want 50% of the debt those sports produce?

[SteelCurtain74]

There is a story on ESPN about this. The story says it could include several 100 players. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that the removal of the COVID-19 waiver is what they really want.

[Dawgology]

?Prohibit Covid agreements waiving liability? hahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahah

PAC needs to double down and just cancel the season or let those that want to sit out do so. They want to split revenue, reduce staff salaries, and also carry no responsibility for anything. Riiiiiiiight.

[Dawgology]

If I ever have to negotiate for a job again my negotiation points will be:

1: all of the CEO’s and supervisors get salary cuts (why? Because yes)
2: all revenue generated by the company I get half of (even if I didn’t help earn it)
3: because I’ve decided to come work for you putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation I get to sue the company if I get hurt.

[HoopsDawg]

If I ever have to negotiate for a job again my negotiation points will be:

1: all of the CEO’s and supervisors get salary cuts (why? Because yes)
2: all revenue generated by the company I get half of (even if I didn’t help earn it)
3: because I’ve decided to come work for you putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation I get to sue the company if I get hurt.

LOL, seriously. This is kind of embarrassing by the players.

[Mobile Bay]

USC football makes just over 60 million a year

50% of that is 30 million.

30 million dollars/125 players= 240,000 a year

So basically a million dollars for playing four years.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[msstate7]

USC football makes just over 60 million a year

50% of that is 30 million.

30 million dollars/125 players= 240,000 a year

So basically a million dollars for playing four years.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Hell, what's tuition and room and board at usc over 4 years?

[Commercecomet24]

Obviously the players putting this together are not economics or math majors!

[HoopsDawg]

Obviously the players putting this together are not economics or math majors!

These players probably think they are democrats but they are acting like republicans.

Their proposal is crazy on so many levels.

[Dawgology]

At this point I say honor their scholarship but hold it until they play again. In other words, you can choose to opt out of playing football this year but you won’t receive scholarship money or assistance. If you decide to play again next year then you can start back up and your scholarship will be honored. That is no more/no less than what happens to national guard members when activated. Their job is held for them (by law) but they don’t continue to get paid by their employer while they are out of work for a year on orders.

Either that or the players that put this together need to start talking sense because they look like complete imbeciles right now.

[TrapGame]

Those demands are missing all the money in unmarked bills and a private jet fueled for a non-extradition country.**

[Cowbell]

Somebody please remind me what the Pac12 is again?

[The Federalist Engineer]

The free market solution is that these players want to be professionals and unionized. They think UCLA and USC alumni will stop watching USC on Saturdays to watch USFL or XFL type games. They think Wealthy USC alumni will forget school ties, traditions, bands, team colors and rivals to watch better gladiators on the field.

Or the free market solution could be that USC pay the players and just forget the whole “student” charade and scholarship charade just pay salaries. They can play other potential U-21 professional schools.Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Baylor, etc. without scholarships, there is no title IX impact and they are no longer NCAA. They would just be paid employees like the landscapers, maintenance, and parking attendants.

[Really Clark?]

Hell, what's tuition and room and board at usc over 4 years?

For 4 years about $300,000 per player. Don’t forget all the 5 year players though

[msstate7]

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https://twitter.com/theolawson_sr/status/1290038799569838082?s=21

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Talk about backfiring. Wonder if we interested.

[Commercecomet24]

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https://twitter.com/theolawson_sr/status/1290038799569838082?s=21

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Talk about backfiring. Wonder if we interested.

Reminds me of when all those umpires sent in their resignations cause they thought they had leverage until mlb accepted them. Bunch of them never got their jobs back. Sometimes you just think you have the hammer lol

[Madisonmd]

I really want some admin guy to call their bluff and stand up to this ridiculousness! Enough is enough!

[KOdawg1]

They have no idea what they're asking. 50% is hilarious.

[Cowbell]

This may help fill some of our holes on defense lol

[dantheman4248]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

[Really Clark?]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

First off we are a republic not a pure democracy. Secondly, your hyperbole concerning the founding fathers and the war, have you read anything concerning their thoughts on economic system in that time? The answer is no obviously because the false rhetoric you are spewing.

Through all that non-sense you just typed, have you actually ran the actual numbers? Child labor laws when they are receiving $250-350,000 in free education that elevates them into making an additional $3 MIL over their lifetime, that a horrendous attempt of an example and a lie in every sense of that argument. A democracy in no way has a bearing on wealth distribution, socialistic economy or whatever else you are attempting to marry in a false argument. That ridiculous.

No matter what side of the debate you fall on for paying athletes off of total revenue, what they are asking doesn’t work financially. Not even close to working. Not to mention the millions of dollars of the athletic department expenses that go strictly to service their scholarships already. Or the debt that the department have to pay for facilities that athletes have for better room, board, etc. than most normal students. How about if they want a salary, that’s absolutely fine with me, but they have to pay for their school minus whatever grant money they receive. Just like every normal student. No more athletic scholarship. Each team can offer a salary to an athlete they want to sign but like the real world and real normal students, they have to use their salary toward their education, room, board, etc. Them getting an education that allows them to make $3 MIL more in their lifetime is an incredible benefit as well.

[FISHDAWG]

now I remember why I blocked that guy ... I can't believe so many on this board still respond to him

[smootness]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

List for me the billionaires they are going after here.

[Dawgology]

List for me the billionaires they are going after here.

This!

They want all adminstrators and staff salaries greatly reduced? They realize that the majority of those adminstrators and staff make under $50k a year and devote their entire lives to their job. There is no summer vacation for them. Most of them work their fingers to the bone year-round, 12+ hours a day to make sure there is an athletic program.

What a bunch of entitled pieces of shit.

[Jack Lambert]

Obviously the players putting this together are not economics or math majors!

I'm pretty sure there is another organization pushing this and using the players to do it.

[QuadrupleOption]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

My main problem with this is that too many people don't give a shit about maintaining a fair playing field. As soon as we start letting players get paid for signing footballs down at the local car dealership, or for appearing on some crappy local grocery store tv commercial, MSU football is DEAD. We can't keep up with Bama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, and Florida NOW. You think it's going to happen when it's all above board?

My second problem is the complete lack of appreciation about what these guys DO get out of a full ride:
1) No tuition. Depending on the school, this can be several hundred thousand dollars they don't have to worry about. All they have to do is show up to class and pay attention.
2) Free room for their entire stay in college. Thousand of dollars in value.
3) Free books. This is worth at least $500 a semester in most places.
4) Free food. have you seen the layouts in the athletic centers at MSU? You think regular students get all that?
5) Opportunities to travel. Must suck to get a free trip to a bowl destination, plus a bunch of swag when you get there.
6) Monthly stipend. Oh yeah that's right. THEY ALREADY GET PAID. They just want more.
7) Free health care for the duration of their stay.

I'm tired of listening to these crybabies whine about how exploited they are.

Oh yeah, if this happens say goodbye to any football program not in the P5. This will limit the opportunities of tons of kids who could have landed at a smaller college and gone to school for free but oh well sucks to be them I guess.

[msstate7]

List for me the billionaires they are going after here.

I think the term "billionaire" can be used to describe someone with more money than yourself these days.

[Dawgology]

I think the term "billionaire" can be used to describe someone with more money than yourself these days.

basically

[TUSK]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

That's a passionate, well laid out argument... Complete bullshit, but passionate.

[maroonmania]

The free market solution is that these players want to be professionals and unionized. They think UCLA and USC alumni will stop watching USC on Saturdays to watch USFL or XFL type games. They think Wealthy USC alumni will forget school ties, traditions, bands, team colors and rivals to watch better gladiators on the field.

Or the free market solution could be that USC pay the players and just forget the whole ?student? charade and scholarship charade just pay salaries. They can play other potential U-21 professional schools.Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Baylor, etc. without scholarships, there is no title IX impact and they are no longer NCAA. They would just be paid employees like the landscapers, maintenance, and parking attendants.

The real solution is for all players who don't want to play under the current system to be shown the door and we can then have college football with actual guys that want to be college students. For the rest, if the NFL wants them to have a place to develop, then the NFL needs to pay for a minor league system and quit freeloading off of just college ball. If college football was like college baseball you wouldn't have this problem with a bunch of guys who are already getting tens of thousands of dollars through tuition, room and board and stipends but yet aren't satisfied and want more. If a football player wants to play college he goes to college. If he just wants to play ball and an NFL team is willing to pay him to develop in their farm system then he should be able to go there. College football make the money they do because of a built in loyal fanbase of alumni and sidewalk fans. That fanbase would still be there no matter who the players are.

[maroonmania]

That's a passionate, well laid out argument... Complete bullshit, but passionate.

Dead on, complete BS. Colleges offer kids an absolutely free education, room and board plus stipend to come play football for the school. If the player doesn't want to come he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to even go to college, heck he can go work at his local grocery store if he wants. The fact that the NFL USES colleges as their FREE farm system is an issue with the NFL, not the colleges.

[Dawgology]

There is a super easy fix here.

Allow the NFL to draft directly out of high school. Let them create a minor league.

[R2Dawg]

If I ever have to negotiate for a job again my negotiation points will be:

1: all of the CEO?s and supervisors get salary cuts (why? Because yes)
2: all revenue generated by the company I get half of (even if I didn?t help earn it)
3: because I?ve decided to come work for you putting myself in a potentially dangerous situation I get to sue the company if I get hurt.


Ha, Yeah I'll take some of that abuse these poor oppressed people are getting. 150-250K worth of college education, free meals, BMOC treatment, etc. Who are the entitled ones? They are training to be the next pro-whining players. Send them straight to the pros.

[R2Dawg]

I think the term "billionaire" can be used to describe someone with more money than yourself these days.

Yep if you think the rich are someone else, think again, the rich are now the middle class. Coming for all of you and me next.

[maroonmania]

There is a super easy fix here.

Allow the NFL to draft directly out of high school. Let them create a minor league.

That has been my stance for a while now. The days of the pros using colleges as their free farm system need to be over. College baseball is the best model we have of a true amateur college sport.

[dantheman4248]

USC football makes just over 60 million a year

50% of that is 30 million.

30 million dollars/125 players= 240,000 a year

So basically a million dollars for playing four years.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. (Also lmao at how much goes to tuition which is already extremely overpriced.)

Smells like a load of barnacles to me.

Also lol at trying to compare the people who make peanuts too and think that's specifically who they want to take money from. Clearly they are pointing to the coaches and ncaa officials who make hand over first not the ****ing waterboy.

Have some common sense that they are asking for a fair cut by drastically reducing the 0.1%'s take. It's the same as every idiot on here that thinks the middle class is screwed by someone like bernie's taxes. Rather pay 10+% of your paycheck for your healthcare than have your tax increases 4% and get free healthcare in the name of freedom. Think that the higher taxes is an attack on you when it's scaled to attack the rich (read: not you). Hilarious. If you can't produce 10 million liquid right now then you aren't the rich. You're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Wait, no you just think that. You're actually just a poor sheep who would has no idea about economics.

Attacking the workers for asking for a fair cut of the product that they produce is wholly stupid. Every day the college degree loses more value while costing more and more. Imagine if you got a negative inflation pay cut every year while your company considerably made extra money. You'd be an idiot to defend those actions thinking they have your best interest at heart.

[Really Clark?]

Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. (Also lmao at how much goes to tuition which is already extremely overpriced.)

Smells like a load of barnacles to me.

Also lol at trying to compare the people who make peanuts too and think that's specifically who they want to take money from. Clearly they are pointing to the coaches and ncaa officials who make hand over first not the ****ing waterboy.

Have some common sense that they are asking for a fair cut by drastically reducing the 0.1%'s take. It's the same as every idiot on here that thinks the middle class is screwed by someone like bernie's taxes. Rather pay 10+% of your paycheck for your healthcare than have your tax increases 4% and get free healthcare in the name of freedom. Think that the higher taxes is an attack on you when it's scaled to attack the rich (read: not you). Hilarious. If you can't produce 10 million liquid right now then you aren't the rich. You're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Wait, no you just think that. You're actually just a poor sheep who would has no idea about economics.

Attacking the workers for asking for a fair cut of the product that they produce is wholly stupid. Every day the college degree loses more value while costing more and more. Imagine if you got a negative inflation pay cut every year while your company considerably made extra money. You'd be an idiot to defend those actions thinking they have your best interest at heart.

Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. They are asking for 50%, not 5%. Again the math doesn’t work.

Bernie’s tax plan for free healthcare doesn’t work. For just his first 10 years you are looking at $34-36 Trillion. The tax increase falls short in dollars and years. Not to mention that’s just for 10 years, does he not plan to fund it after that? Of course he does but simply, the math doesn’t work. Progressive economists have stated the same. So then you run a very high deficit to fund the program and both the CBO and JCT models hate the government running a deficit. Especially over an extended period of time with the GDP taken a down turn, workers salaries stagnate at best, etc. Let’s not forget all the other free programs he intends to fund, where will that money come from without additional taxes on everyone making over $30,000 per year? Don’t care that you like the plan or absurdly think it’s a good idea, the math doesn’t come close to working.

[DeputyDawg94]

Every job I’ve ever had I agreed to terms before I accepted. At any point during my employment if I didn’t like the conditions, policies, people or compensation I was free to leave. Nobody ever forced me to do anything against my will. That’s what’s great about this country, if you don’t like the job you are free to leave at anytime and find somewhere else to be. Seems very simple to me.
The players knew what they were getting into and how they would be compensated before they ever signed the LOI. If they aren’t satisfied it’s on them for accepting the deal to start with.

wouldn’t title 9 make it illegal unless all female athletes on scholarship were also compensated?

[Cowbell]

Instead they only get ~100k for 4 years and they are unreasonable for asking for more than 5% of the cut that they generate. (Also lmao at how much goes to tuition which is already extremely overpriced.)

Smells like a load of barnacles to me.

Also lol at trying to compare the people who make peanuts too and think that's specifically who they want to take money from. Clearly they are pointing to the coaches and ncaa officials who make hand over first not the ****ing waterboy.

Have some common sense that they are asking for a fair cut by drastically reducing the 0.1%'s take. It's the same as every idiot on here that thinks the middle class is screwed by someone like bernie's taxes. Rather pay 10+% of your paycheck for your healthcare than have your tax increases 4% and get free healthcare in the name of freedom. Think that the higher taxes is an attack on you when it's scaled to attack the rich (read: not you). Hilarious. If you can't produce 10 million liquid right now then you aren't the rich. You're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Wait, no you just think that. You're actually just a poor sheep who would has no idea about economics.

Attacking the workers for asking for a fair cut of the product that they produce is wholly stupid. Every day the college degree loses more value while costing more and more. Imagine if you got a negative inflation pay cut every year while your company considerably made extra money. You'd be an idiot to defend those actions thinking they have your best interest at heart.

Anyone who would compare playing college football to a job is delusional. On any given Friday night in the fall in any given town in the south, there are 50+ kids in one place who would jump at the opportunity to play college football without pay. Find that for any realistic job in America. I would have done anything to play D1 football as three of my family members did. I would have done it without scholarship money. But maybe I'm stupid. I would not do my current job for less than I make now, however.

[dantheman4248]

Anyone who would compare playing college football to a job is delusional. On any given Friday night in the fall in any given town in the south, there are 50+ kids in one place who would jump at the opportunity to play college football without pay. Find that for any realistic job in America. I would have done anything to play D1 football as three of my family members did. I would have done it without scholarship money. But maybe I'm stupid. I would not do my current job for less than I make now, however.

There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?

[dantheman4248]

Every job I’ve ever had I agreed to terms before I accepted. At any point during my employment if I didn’t like the conditions, policies, people or compensation I was free to leave. Nobody ever forced me to do anything against my will. That’s what’s great about this country, if you don’t like the job you are free to leave at anytime and find somewhere else to be. Seems very simple to me.
The players knew what they were getting into and how they would be compensated before they ever signed the LOI. If they aren’t satisfied it’s on them for accepting the deal to start with.

wouldn’t title 9 make it illegal unless all female athletes on scholarship were also compensated?

That's why unions exist. Do you not understand history?

[TUSK]

That's why unions exist. Do you not understand history?

Are you a Dawg61 alter, by chance, Dan?

[The Federalist Engineer]

Are you a Dawg61 alter, by chance, Dan?

I’ve been thinking the exact same thing.

[Really Clark?]

There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?

Football players have the opportunity to earn a degree for those jobs for free

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?

Those millions have a better chance of being an engineer than being a millionaire athlete due to EEO and affirmative action. When will see that in sports?

[Cowbell]

There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?

Be an engineer for free? You need to work on your reading comprehension.

[DeputyDawg94]

Not for unions. What they were original formed for was great. They are killing our county now. Can’t you see the present.

[maroonmania]

That's why unions exist. Do you not understand history?

Unions are for people with jobs! College football players are NOT workers, they are college students who elect to play a sport at the college for the benefit of getting their education (and all living expenses) for free. By your logic, HS football players should be demanding a cut of anything their HS brings in from their games. Heck, HS players aren't getting ANY financial benefits from playing which is a way worse situation than college players have.

[Commercecomet24]

Unions are for people with jobs! College football players are NOT workers, they are college students who elect to play a sport at the college for the benefit of getting their education (and all living expenses) for free. By your logic, HS football players should be demanding a cut of anything their HS brings in from their games. Heck, HS players aren't getting ANY financial benefits from playing which is a way worse situation than college players have.

This, exactly. Where do you draw the line? High school, junior high? What about the cheerleaders, the band, the ball boys, the managers and anyone involved, shouldn't they get a cut too? I guess everyone's entitled these days. smh.

[BB30]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

I swear some of you would have been against child labor laws. Hell you probably are. The anti-union rhetoric is pathetic. Without the players there is no product. Period. They are asking for half. Look at what professional sports leagues with shit unions get... yet these kids are the bad guys for wanting to be fairly compensated???

Seriously look in the mirror and ask yourself the question: "Will I ever be in the top 0.1% of wealth in this country?" When you realize that answer is "No." Then ask, "Why am i so worried about their gigantic stack slightly shrinking?". Then when you think to yourself its not right, ask yourself do you want to live in a democracy. When you say yes, ask yourself who you should care about more in a democracy... the 0.1% or 99.9%?

Its like you people would rather we have lost in 1776 and still operate under Monarchy's. The way you defend tbe rich who exploit the labor of the poor is just inherently un-American.

Are you opposed to treating them as employees giving each player a salary based on their worth and not providing any benefits for free?

So for instance K Hill gets 250k a year/salary

but out of that he has to pay his tuition, room and board, tutor fees, facility memberships, all of his meals etc?

So basically just treat them as if they were an actual employee.

[HoopsDawg]

Are you opposed to treating them as employees giving each player a salary based on their worth and not providing any benefits for free?

So for instance K Hill gets 250k a year/salary

but out of that he has to pay his tuition, room and board, tutor fees, facility memberships, all of his meals etc?

So basically just treat them as if they were an actual employee.

Don't forget taxes.

And it would be the end of non-revenue sports since football is funding that women's volleyball team.

[Dawg Tired]

Holy shit is all I can say. This thread is full of horrendous takes. Tote billionaires' water more why don't ya. Jesus Christ.

Another ?useful idiot? toting Saul Alinsky?s water.

[Homedawg]

Are you opposed to treating them as employees giving each player a salary based on their worth and not providing any benefits for free?

So for instance K Hill gets 250k a year/salary

but out of that he has to pay his tuition, room and board, tutor fees, facility memberships, all of his meals etc?

So basically just treat them as if they were an actual employee.
But then they'd have to pay taxes and it would by be fair**

[Homedawg]

Don't forget taxes.

And it would be the end of non-revenue sports since football is funding that women's volleyball team.

Yep.

[The Federalist Engineer]

College football make the money they do because of a built in loyal fanbase of alumni and sidewalk fans. That fanbase would still be there no matter who the players are.

Thats my point on the fallacy. These particular players think the fans are there for them when the fans are actually there for the school colors.

When the NFL played with replacements in 1987 the fans did not like it but did not stop watching.

In college football, most people would not like an Egg Bowl less if the game were just JA, Madison Central, Brandon and MRA all stars, it's still an egg bowl. People would just write off that 5-stars are heading to the XFL, 4-stars to Canada, and 1-in-5 "3-stars" played in college. It would be like college baseball and we would still love it.

[R2Dawg]

This, exactly. Where do you draw the line? High school, junior high? What about the cheerleaders, the band, the ball boys, the managers and anyone involved, shouldn't they get a cut too? I guess everyone's entitled these days. smh.

True, true. Pandoras box is opened.

The other thing is so they want to get paid so then they have to pay the coaches and school for using the million dollar facilities while they are at it. If they get paid then they can also pay their tuition and other stuff while they are at it.

Richard Cross made the point the other day using Stamford as example and their benefit was around 800K to play football at Stamford. And that is getting out of school with a degree from Stamford with no school debt. I'd say that is getting paid.

I say let them go the NFL and see how hard it is if they want to make money.

To much entitlement and victim mentality running wild in our society.

[Commercecomet24]

True, true. Pandoras box is opened.

The other thing is so they want to get paid so then they have to pay the coaches and school for using the million dollar facilities while they are at it. If they get paid then they can also pay their tuition and other stuff while they are at it.

Richard Cross made the point the other day using Stamford as example and their benefit was around 800K to play football at Stamford. And that is getting out of school with a degree from Stamford with no school debt. I'd say that is getting paid.

I say let them go the NFL and see how hard it is if they want to make money.

To much entitlement and victim mentality running wild in our society.

Exactly.

[Homedawg]

If this were to ever be allowed the size of the industry would shrink. Donors would bail like crazy.

[Commercecomet24]

This might be a good thing. Just let all the guys go who want to get paid and get the kids that really want to play college football. Watch D2 or D3 games sometimes and you'll see kids playing hard every play and just enjoying the game, it's refreshing.

[HoopsDawg]

If this were to ever be allowed the size of the industry would shrink. Donors would bail like crazy.

roster sizes would have to shrink. A lot of guys that want to be paid, wouldn't have a spot on a SEC team.

when Ed O'bannon wanted to get paid for being on a video game, they just stopped making the video game. You always have to be careful what you wish for.

[maroonmania]

This might be a good thing. Just let all the guys go who want to get paid and get the kids that really want to play college football. Watch D2 or D3 games sometimes and you'll see kids playing hard every play and just enjoying the game, it's refreshing.

Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.

[HoopsDawg]

Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.

The NFL loves having a free minor league system with college. They don't want their own system.

[R2Dawg]

Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.

Agree on the baseball model. NBA has D league. NFL needs to step up and quit riding the college system coat tails. College needs to shut it down now as well. The house of cards will implode like everything else if they let this continue. Someone has got to have a backbone and have some business IQ. Did any of these leaders go to college or understand business?

[Percho]

1956 Paul Hornung Rookie Standard Players Contract. Few documents could carry more significance to fans of the Green Bay Packers than this one, which brought the number one pick in the 1957 draft into the green and yellow fold. The Heisman-winning Notre Dame halfback would prove to be an integral part of the equation that would turn Lombardi's team into one of the NFL's greatest dynasties, and earn their little Wisconsin home city the name of "Titletown USA." The standard contract secures the Golden Boy's services for the years of "1957 - 58 - 59," setting the annual salary at fifteen thousand dollars. A typed rider at the top stipulates, "However the term of this three year contract shall be extended beyond the said three years for such period of time as the Player shall be engaged in military service." Signifying their consent to this term with their initials are Hornung, Packers president Russell Bogda and commissioner Bert Bell. Each of these gentlemen sign in full at the close of the contract, along with witnesses Bernard Darling (whose 1929 Packers Championship watch is available in this auction!) and Paul Hornung's agent Julius Tucker. All autographs and the contract itself remain in absolutely flawless condition, clearly treasured and protected as the tremendously significant artifact that it is. Original storage folds present. Measures 8x20" in its entirety. LOA from PSA/DNA. LOA from James Spence Authentication.


Did he play pro ball for the money?

What would that 15000.00 per year be in today's money?


What would a college player in 1956 have been worth? 200.00 a year?

I understand the college game produces more today but what should college sports be about? What is girls volleyball about? What should football be about? What are you as a fan willing to pay for?

[HoopsDawg]

Agree on the baseball model. NBA has D league. NFL needs to step up and quit riding the college system coat tails. College needs to shut it down now as well. The house of cards will implode like everything else if they let this continue. Someone has got to have a backbone and have some business IQ. Did any of these leaders go to college or understand business?

I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.

[maroonmania]

The NFL loves having a free minor league system with college. They don't want their own system.

Well that's obvious, they love the gravy train of getting something for nothing. But its about to all come to a head. Colleges were never set up to pay players a salary to be on a college football team. NFL needs to be sued for their age restrictions on drafting and once that is struck down a HS football player can either be drafted (whether for being developed in some kind of minor league system or going straight to the NFL), play at a college with all expenses paid (what they have now), or neither and just go out into the real world and get a job.

[maroonmania]

I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.

How bad would it be? Colleges would play with overall less talented players for sure (just like baseball and to some degree basketball) but I would much rather have that than to pull for a 'mercenary for hire' college football team.

[Commercecomet24]

How bad would it be? Colleges would play with overall less talented players for sure (just like baseball and to some degree basketball) but I would much rather have that than to pull for a 'mercenary for hire' college football team.

That's why I love watching D2 and D3 games. 99% of those kids are playing because they love the game and have no illusions of playing in "the league" and they're getting an education to boot. They also play extremely hard and with "relentless effort", which is always fun to watch.

[BB30]

I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.

I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.

The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.

Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.

Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.

[HoopsDawg]

I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.

The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.

Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.

Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.

agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.

[Dawgology]

agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.

Disagree. Some would go to the NFL but the majority would go to minor league...pretty much all 5-star kids and high 4-star kids would go to the minor league and get paid. At that point you would be left with athletes who are playing on scholarship to get an education like...you know...an ACTUAL student-athlete...instead of playing college football to get $100 handshakes and 5 figure under-the-table payouts. It would be clear that they probably won't go pro...but they will get an education for free.

Additionally, that would bump up some students who end up in smaller schools into playing for larger programs with better educational opportunities.

The overall talent would go down across the board and would probably even the playing field to some small degree.

[Really Clark?]

agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.

There would not be enough spots in a hypothetical pro minor league system to take that many HS players every single season. Not to mention all the really good college players that don’t get drafted straight to the NFL, they will take up a lot of spots.

[Homedawg]

People clearly have no clue what athletes get today compared to 15-20 years ago..... way way way more. Scholarship, books, room check, meal check, (part can go straight in their pocket due to the amount of food available daily at complex) , pell grants in lists of cases, plus stipend With all they they get a chance if they are good enough to play professionally and if not they SHOULD have an education that they have spent zero on. Which in theory should lead to further employment. If that's not enough just don't fing play. Go to college and have debt like half of America and not have made money during college for beer, women and dope.

[HoopsDawg]

People clearly have no clue what athletes get today compared to 15-20 years ago..... way way way more. Scholarship, books, room check, meal check, (part can go straight in their pocket due to the amount of food available daily at complex) , pell grants in lists of cases, plus stipend With all they they get a chance if they are good enough to play professionally and if not they SHOULD have an education that they have spent zero on. Which in theory should lead to further employment. If that's not enough just don't fing play. Go to college and have debt like half of America and not have made money during college for beer, women and dope.

A-M-E-N. End of thread.

[Commercecomet24]

A-M-E-N. End of thread.

Yeah Homedawg mic dropped on this one!

[RocketDawg]

Yep.

[RocketDawg]

So what happens when, once college players get paid, it drops down to the high school stars demanding to be paid too? Many, maybe most, don't want to be in school there either.

[maroonmania]

agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.

They wouldn't all go to the minor league. The NFL would only be willing to select and pay the HS recruits that were the absolute cream of the crop. And the vast majority wouldn't get anymore in pay than they currently get in full scholarship benefits at a P5 college.

[Commercecomet24]

They wouldn't all go to the minor league. The NFL would only be willing to select and pay the HS recruits that were the absolute cream of the crop. And the vast majority wouldn't get anymore in pay than they currently get in full scholarship benefits at a P5 college.

Heck some of these guys take a pay cut when they go from college to the nfl right now.

[Jarius]

I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.

The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.

Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.

Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.

It would change a lot because after the 5 stars and high 4 stars, a lot of these kids are really similar. Dan Mullen and Mike Leach would become powerhouse type coaches and Nick Saban and Dabo and Eddie O would struggle bigly.

[Homedawg]

It would change a lot because after the 5 stars and high 4 stars, a lot of these kids are really similar. Dan Mullen and Mike Leach would become powerhouse type coaches and Nick Saban and Dabo and Eddie O would struggle bigly.
Or there would just be no college football to speak of.... thus no college sports...

[Jarius]

Or there would just be no college football to speak of.... thus no college sports...

That’s never going to happen. Too many boosters with ties to these schools want to have college sports. The product may be worse but there will never not be college sports.