Question: If you put the 2014 Offense with the 2018 Defense does MSU win....

[RLM38654]

A Natty?

[Rick Danko]

Depends on the coach. 2014, good chance. 2018, hell no

[FISHDAWG]

A Natty?

was watching replay last night of 2014 of State vs LSU .... That 2014 defense was pretty tough under G Collins - not sure just how much 2018 defense improves it

[KOdawg1]

was watching replay last night of 2014 of State vs LSU .... That 2014 defense was pretty tough under G Collins - not sure just how much 2018 defense improves it

The DL depth on the 2018 team was unbelievable. You essentially had a 3-deep rotation of guys who you could rotate in and out without seeing a drop in production. The 2014 defense was pretty solid, but they could've been even better if not for the 1A-1B crap. The 2018 defense had the depth to make mass rotations like that. The 2014 defense did not.

[BrunswickDawg]

was watching replay last night of 2014 of State vs LSU .... That 2014 defense was pretty tough under G Collins - not sure just how much 2018 defense improves it

I think the '14 defense was a little stifled because of the 1A/1B stuff, and probably would have been higher rated if they stuck to a traditional player rotation.
That being said, I think the difference in the 2 defenses was the back end. Abrams was such a beast.

[BrunswickDawg]

Depends on the coach. 2014, good chance. 2018, hell no

I'm not sure we get their with Dan either. His risk aversion, tendency to take his foot off the gas, and tendency to play experience over talent, I think still would have kept us out of winning the Natty.
It would be fun to watch though.

[bluelightstar]

Yes, we wouldn’t have gone down 19-0 to Alabama and had to mount a furious comeback in Tuscaloosa. And no way does the 18 defense give up that many points to a one-legged Bo Wallace or allow that run in Oxford to happen. The 2014 defense for whatever reason was susceptible to the big play, but the 2018 defense gave up one all year.

All this assumes Mullen was the coach. Moorhead’s check with me BS would have ruined that offense too.

[SheltonChoked]

A Natty?

We make the playoffs, but still lose to Bama. Mullen coaches tight in big games. And the team plays tight.

[Maroonthirteen]

does this mythical season include a trip to Tuscaloosa?

[vv83]

does this mythical season include a trip to Tuscaloosa?

Mullen? Yes**. Moorehead? No.

**It also depends on the year.. 2014 we could have got in with one loss assuming we beat Bama and winning the whole thing. 2019 I don't think we beat Clemson.

[TrapGame]

Playoffs w/ Mullen, sure. But not a Natty.

[Homedawg]

We make the playoffs, but still lose to Bama. Mullen coaches tight in big games. And the team plays tight.

Mullen had is issues w bama, yes, but he wasn't the tight one, that day. Dak was awful and Robinson trying to be a hero put us in the early mess.

[was21]

Is the HC Mullen or Moorehead

[StarkVegasSteve]

the 15 offense and the 18 defense would've been unstoppable.

[FISHDAWG]

I think the '14 defense was a little stifled because of the 1A/1B stuff, and probably would have been higher rated if they stuck to a traditional player rotation.
That being said, I think the difference in the 2 defenses was the back end. Abrams was such a beast.

after some checking it looks like you and KO are correct .... 2014 LSU total yards were 430 but in 2018 their total yards were around 250 (can't remember exact yardage but this is close)

[HoopsDawg]

Yes, if Grantham is the Defensive Coordinator and we don't do the 1a/1b BS.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yes, if Grantham is the Defensive Coordinator and we don't do the 1a/1b BS.

So, we need the 2014 offense, the 2018 defense, the 2014 offensive coaching staff, and a mix of Grantham and Shoops defensive staffs for it to work.
Should we throw in Hud on staff just to make the fantasy complete for some fans?

[KOdawg1]

So, we need the 2014 offense, the 2018 defense, the 2014 offensive coaching staff, and a mix of Grantham and Shoops defensive staffs for it to work.
Should we throw in Hud on staff just to make the fantasy complete for some fans?
I'll lay out a more simple scenario.

After Mullen leaves, we hire Leach. Gardner Minshew transfers here instead of WSU. We get a couple of grad transfer WRs. We add that with our #1 defense.

[HoopsDawg]

So, we need the 2014 offense, the 2018 defense, the 2014 offensive coaching staff, and a mix of Grantham and Shoops defensive staffs for it to work.
Should we throw in Hud on staff just to make the fantasy complete for some fans?

Yes. Need to add Eric Moulds to the WR core and throw in Randy Thomas at guard.

[dantheman4248]

Depends on Coach / Year

Mullen - 2014: We beat Bama in T-Town. We win Egg Bowl. Win SECCG. Lose to anOSU in Playoffs.
Moorhead - 2014: Lose to Aub. Lose in T-Town.
Mullen - 2018, all 2018 roster: Lose in T-Town. 11-1. Would lose rematch / vs Clemson if given chance in playoffs.
Mullen - 2018 mixed roster: 13-0. Lose rematch w/ Bama if they are there or to Clemson.
Moorhead - 2018 mixed roster: 11-1. Lose in T-town. Would lose any playoff game.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'll lay out a more simple scenario.

After Mullen leaves, we hire Leach. Gardner Minshew transfers here instead of WSU. We get a couple of grad transfer WRs. We add that with our #1 defense.

That's totally different fantasy scenario - you have to stick to the topic.***

[BrunswickDawg]

Yes. Need to add Eric Moulds to the WR core and throw in Randy Thomas at guard.

This isn't Penthouse Forum, you need to tone it down a notch.***

[SheltonChoked]

Mullen had is issues w bama, yes, but he wasn't the tight one, that day. Dak was awful and Robinson trying to be a hero put us in the early mess.

Which I put on Mullen. He coached tight in every game after we went to #1.It just bit us in the Bama game.

He has the same issue with Florida vs UGA...

[MoreCowbell]

Some don?t want to hear it but if Mullen doesn?t leave we have a good shot at making the playoffs in 2018. That would have been a really solid ball control offense matched with the best defense in the country. That 2018 defense is underrated. They were #1 with an offense that probably averaged 4 plays per drive.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Some don?t want to hear it but if Mullen doesn?t leave we have a good shot at making the playoffs in 2018. That would have been a really solid ball control offense matched with the best defense in the country. That 2018 defense is underrated. They were #1 with an offense that probably averaged 4 plays per drive.

This is true. I was at MSU for the 1999 season and I never thought I would see a defense better than that one in my lifetime. Then along came the 2018 defense. Simply unbelievable how good they were.

[BB30]

A Natty?

No, because we are Mississippi State and we would have found a way to screw the pooch ha.

In all seriousness, I think we would have an SEC title for sure and would have made the playoffs. I do think due to a lack of experience playing in games that mean that much we would have probably struggled in the playoff game/NC.

[Homedawg]

Which I put on Mullen. He coached tight in every game after we went to #1.It just bit us in the Bama game.

He has the same issue with Florida vs UGA...

And in the case of us vs bama for every year he was here and the two Cocktail party's he's coached the team w less talent. Considerably less in most cases. That probably has a lot to do w it.

[BrunswickDawg]

And in the case of us vs bama for every year he was here and the two Cocktail party's he's coached the team w less talent. Considerably less in most cases. That probably has a lot to do w it.

Mullen is so predictable in big games though. And, if he gets down early, he's toast. I've gone to the last 2 Cocktail Parties, sat with my UGA friends and called Danny's offense right about 75% of the time. I'd probably do better, but we start drinking at 8:00 AM and I'm usually pretty drunk during the first half.

[shrimp]

Moorhead?s not winning more than 8 with any roster.


Depends on Coach / Year

Mullen - 2014: We beat Bama in T-Town. We win Egg Bowl. Win SECCG. Lose to anOSU in Playoffs.
Moorhead - 2014: Lose to Aub. Lose in T-Town.
Mullen - 2018, all 2018 roster: Lose in T-Town. 11-1. Would lose rematch / vs Clemson if given chance in playoffs.
Mullen - 2018 mixed roster: 13-0. Lose rematch w/ Bama if they are there or to Clemson.
Moorhead - 2018 mixed roster: 11-1. Lose in T-town. Would lose any playoff game.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I'll lay out a more simple scenario.

After Mullen leaves, we hire Leach. Gardner Minshew transfers here instead of WSU. We get a couple of grad transfer WRs. We add that with our #1 defense.

Damn. Could have been something. Fitz on the bench though? Tough move even for leach when the dude is knocking on an all time sec record.

[lastmajordog]

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[Todd4State]

Some don?t want to hear it but if Mullen doesn?t leave we have a good shot at making the playoffs in 2018. That would have been a really solid ball control offense matched with the best defense in the country. That 2018 defense is underrated. They were #1 with an offense that probably averaged 4 plays per drive.

Or Leach with Minchew at QB.

[War Machine Dawg]

Moorhead?s not winning more than 8 with any roster.

This. The guy was gifted a 10-win regular season team from Mullen and only won 8. That's his ceiling, period.

[chef dixon]

2018 defense, with a offense full of suck, was still easily one of the best we've ever seen. Will forever be the biggest waste in MSU history.

[MoreCowbell]

All this thread has managed to do is reignite my hatred for Moorhead

[PGHBulldogBG]

Moorhead was just a terrible hire from day 1. We got extremely lucky with Mullen not having head coaching experience and him being a good hire. Also Mullen won with Meyer and had good offenses and QBs everywhere he went. That doesn?t mean you go and hire another coordinator that only won because he was gifted Barkley. If the rumors are true Satterfield wanted our job and we picked Moorhead over him that was just a terrible decision by Cohen. Hopefully Leach performs and he can redeem himself for that horrendous hire.

[BrunswickDawg]

Damn. Could have been something. Fitz on the bench though? Tough move even for leach when the dude is knocking on an all time sec record.


Or Leach with Minchew at QB.

If Leach had been hired, I don't think Minshew comes. Minshew only wound up at WSU because of the death of Tyler Hilinski. Minshew was headed to Bama as a Grad Transfer. With the QB room we had in 2018, I don't see Leach bringing in Minshew.

[lastmajordog]

I’ve been vocal about how Mullen blew 3 chances to beat Bama and at least 2 more wins over om......but what he did with Relf is still one of the greatest coaching jobs ever done.