Why there will be football.

[Cowbell]

You guys can come up with all kinds of reasons for or against but it all boils down to this. If we don't have football this fall, many people will learn to live without it going forward, including myself. As much counter culture as is getting involved currently, there is a large portion of the national football fan base that will find something else to do with their time and money. That means everyone lo$e$ including much of our media. If we don't have football this fall, many of the media members will be looking for jobs. How does Kirk H. Or Lee Corso make money if no football.
We are gonna Have football and it's time everybody let go of the reasons why not to have it and let people make their own decisions and move on. Fans can enter stadiums at their own risks.
I went to every home game during the Croom Era and there is no way Covid can be worse on your bodily health than watching that crap.

[msstate7]

If you want football this season, better be hoping and praying basketball and baseball can start and keep it going. If they fold before they start or soon after, forget it.

[Commercecomet24]

If you want football this season, better be hoping and praying basketball and baseball can start and keep it going. If they fold before they start or soon after, forget it.

Yeah I really believe if baseball and basketball make it through the "season" we'll have football if they don't I think it's over for everything until spring.

[Extendedcab]

Yeah I really believe if baseball and basketball make it through the "season" we'll have football if they don't I think it's over for everything until spring.

I sure hope you are right!!

[Commercecomet24]

I sure hope you are right!!

Me too, brother, me too!

[Cowbell]

If you want football this season, better be hoping and praying basketball and baseball can start and keep it going. If they fold before they start or soon after, forget it.

Neither of these have near the horsepower at this point to make a good case either way. Too late and too disorganized. Football is not going to follow the lead of those two. Sorry but it ain't happening that way.

[Todd4State]

Neither of these have near the horsepower at this point to make a good case either way. Too late and too disorganized. Football is not going to follow the lead of those two. Sorry but it ain't happening that way.

I do agree though that if baseball and basketball play and complete the season it will make it much more likely that football will be played. Doesn't mean that football won't be played.

That said- I have a friend that works for the New Orleans Pelicans and is very close to the inner workings of that organization. She pretty much told me a week ago that they are playing come hell or high water. Take that for whatever it's worth. And baseball wouldn't be planning a game in Iowa if they didn't fully intend to play or have camps.

[Maroonthirteen]

Ha. If that's the case, I'll take a fall off of football if Corso will retire already.

I think they will pretend to play college to justify scholarships and stipends for the players.

[NWADAWG]

I spoke to someone that works in UPig athletics group last night and asked if he'd heard any rumblings of football being played. He is not a coach and works with different sport but is still around all the key players regularly.
He said the only thing he's heard is that the SEC intends to play and that they weren't really giving any options for a team to sit out.

[maroonmania]

IMO, the only way college football will not be played this Fall in some form or fashion is if the NFL doesn't play. Everything else is just noise.

[Captain Falcon]

The issue with "let's see how the NBA and MLB re-starts go" is that they don't actually start playing games until the end of this month, which is around the time decisions about college football will have to be made. So I'm not sure you'll be able to tell after a week or so of games how well that's going to work, at least not enough to be able to make definitive decisions about football. Another part of it is that pro sports and college sports are very different animals. It's one thing to tell professionals that they have to come to work if they want to get paid, but when you're dealing with amateurs who may or may not even be able to go to class at their respective schools, it's a bit different.

That being said, I do think they try to play, at this point I'm expecting a delayed start in late September or early October, but I agree that they don't really have a choice but to give it a shot.

[Cowbell]

Can anyone come up with a total value for college football? Not just to the colleges but to the economy as a whole?

[BB30]

Can anyone come up with a total value for college football? Not just to the colleges but to the economy as a whole?

Best I could find was several billion and I don't believe that included the local college communities/economies that see booms from it.

[TrapGame]

Doring on SEC Radio this morning said the P5 teams are going to play. There's way too much money on the line. The fear porn has to stop and we need to get on with our lives.

[Todd4State]

Doring on SEC Radio this morning said the P5 teams are going to play. There's way too much money on the line. The fear porn has to stop and we need to get on with our lives.

And it needs to stop being so one sided. Yes there is risk for infection. But at the same time it's not fair to people that want to live their lives and aren't afraid. It's also not fair to players that want to play either.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Doring on SEC Radio this morning said the P5 teams are going to play. There's way too much money on the line. The fear porn has to stop and we need to get on with our lives.

This is true of athletic depts. but it's also true of the local economy. I mean if they play and there's no fans allowed that doesn't really help the local economies at all. You're not going to have people stay the weekend in Starkville, Oxford, etc. just to go to a bar and watch the game on TVs. They can do that at home and it's a lot cheaper and I fear that not having fans would have a lingering effect for decades on the economies of college towns as people either A) realize that it's A LOT cheaper and they enjoy it about as much just sitting at home or B) they realize that they'd rather do other things with their weekends in the fall.

[Johnson85]

The issue with "let's see how the NBA and MLB re-starts go" is that they don't actually start playing games until the end of this month, which is around the time decisions about college football will have to be made. So I'm not sure you'll be able to tell after a week or so of games how well that's going to work, at least not enough to be able to make definitive decisions about football. Another part of it is that pro sports and college sports are very different animals. It's one thing to tell professionals that they have to come to work if they want to get paid, but when you're dealing with amateurs who may or may not even be able to go to class at their respective schools, it's a bit different.

That being said, I do think they try to play, at this point I'm expecting a delayed start in late September or early October, but I agree that they don't really have a choice but to give it a shot.

I get the logistics, but delaying the start seems like a terrible idea. If we keep our normal schedule, the SEC can be almost done before the flu season even really gets kicked off. IF the current spread is really being driven by people being indoor in air conditioning (which seems like a reasonable guess based on where the current hotspots are), then the SEC could potentially enjoy some relief from Wuhan during the shoulder months, and we should take advantage of most of our football season occurring then.

[Dawg2003]

And it needs to stop being so one sided. Yes there is risk for infection. But at the same time it's not fair to people that want to live their lives and aren't afraid. It's also not fair to players that want to play either.

The problem is that all those people end up in ERs and put a financially strain on the healthcare system that we all have to pay for. That's not fair. They also cause us to have to delay elective procedures to other people, which isn't fair to those people.

[Dawgology]

The problem is that all those people end up in ERs and put a financially strain on the healthcare system that we all have to pay for. That's not fair. They also cause us to have to delay elective procedures to other people, which isn't fair to those people.

No...they don’t actually. About 10% end up in the hospital and only about 5% end up staying more than a couple days. Additionally, many of those in the 5% are actually already in the hospital for other issues they just test positive for covid while there...but they don’t put that disclaimer in the stats.

[TrapGame]

No...they don’t actually. About 10% end up in the hospital and only about 5% end up staying more than a couple days. Additionally, many of those in the 5% are actually already in the hospital for other issues they just test positive for covid while there...but they don’t put that disclaimer in the stats.

Well, that would ruin the fear porn.

[thedawginme]

No...they don’t actually. About 10% end up in the hospital and only about 5% end up staying more than a couple days. Additionally, many of those in the 5% are actually already in the hospital for other issues they just test positive for covid while there...but they don’t put that disclaimer in the stats.

10% of how many?

[Liverpooldawg]

And it needs to stop being so one sided. Yes there is risk for infection. But at the same time it's not fair to people that want to live their lives and aren't afraid. It's also not fair to players that want to play either.

What you do directly impacts the people that don't believe as you do. That isn't fair to them.

[Liverpooldawg]

No...they don?t actually. About 10% end up in the hospital and only about 5% end up staying more than a couple days. Additionally, many of those in the 5% are actually already in the hospital for other issues they just test positive for covid while there...but they don?t put that disclaimer in the stats.

Actually if your numbers are correct that will overwhelm the healthcare system. It is already overwhelmed in Jackson. They are full and sending patients elsewhere. We are already sending people out of state but that won't last long. They won't be taking out of state people if this keeps up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ahh....another thread ruined by COVID politics.

[Mobile Bay]

No...they don?t actually. About 10% end up in the hospital and only about 5% end up staying more than a couple days. Additionally, many of those in the 5% are actually already in the hospital for other issues they just test positive for covid while there...but they don?t put that disclaimer in the stats.

I saw one study that was written about in the telegraph out of London. The study concluded that between 1/3 and 2/3 of the deaths were from people in such bad shape they were unlikely to survive the year anyway.

Half the deaths are in nursing homes. People in those places are on deaths door and likely to die of the regular flu, a cold, or just the fact that they are old and near death. Your lifespan in a nursing home is 6-18 months normally. And I am going to be honest here. When my relatives that have been in homes have passed, I felt not sadness but relief.

This is no reason to destroy our economy and cede world power to China.

[NWADAWG]

What you do directly impacts the people that don't believe as you do. That isn't fair to them.

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

There is a vaccine AND drugs that actually treat the disease for flu. It isn't REMOTELY the same thing. Good lord no wonder we are headed the way we are headed.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

Look I'm with you on the mask thing. I think it should be a personal choice, and this is coming from someone who's had a family member recently get the virus and have symptoms. But, if wearing a mask means that I can have a chance to watch football in Davis Wade this fall then you bet your ass I'm going to be wearing a mask. I don't agree that it should come to that, but if a little discomfort is all that it costs to watch the Dawgs then that's a small price to pay over the alternative of no football.

[NWADAWG]

There is a vaccine AND drugs that actually treat the disease for flu. It isn't REMOTELY the same thing. Good lord no wonder we are headed the way we are headed.

Yet 10s of thousands still die of flu every year from it. I'm pretty confident that any health professional would tell you that wearing masks during flu season would drastically reduce deaths due to flu.

I understand that the sicknesses are not exactly apples to apples but both kill 10s of thousands and we currently can't seem to stop either from doing it.

If CV vaccine and treatment comes and we still have 60k people die from CV each year like flu(I think we will), then what?

For the record, there have already been mutations in CV. The mutations are the same reasons flu vaccines don't guarantee people not to get and die from flu.

If I believed that everyone wearing a mask for a few months would eradicate CV, I would actually support it. However, I don't believe it.

[MrCoachKlein]

What you do directly impacts the people that don't believe as you do. That isn't fair to them.

Almost sounds like the people who want to quarantine should and those that don't shouldn't. Then the actions of those that don't quarantine wouldn't affect those who are, but then again I believe individual freedom > collectivist ideals.

[NWADAWG]

Look I'm with you on the mask thing. I think it should be a personal choice, and this is coming from someone who's had a family member recently get the virus and have symptoms. But, if wearing a mask means that I can have a chance to watch football in Davis Wade this fall then you bet your ass I'm going to be wearing a mask. I don't agree that it should come to that, but if a little discomfort is all that it costs to watch the Dawgs then that's a small price to pay over the alternative of no football.

I agree that each entity should be able to make its own rules about masks. This includes football stadiums, individual restaurants, businesses. Each customer can then choose to patronize that business or not.

If Davis Wade says you can't come in without a mask, then that's the rule. Not state of MS telling you, not city of Starkville telling you.

If a business chooses to require masks, some will start shopping there because they feel it's safer, others will choose a different store because they don't won't to be told to wear a mask. Each make their own choice and every business operates the way they feel is best for them.

This is my opinion of how it should operate. My opinion and a couple dollars will buy you a Coke in a stinky cup this fall.

[AmiteDog]

There is a vaccine AND drugs that actually treat the disease for flu. It isn't REMOTELY the same thing. Good lord no wonder we are headed the way we are headed.

And we have a healthy segment of the population that CHOOSE not to take the flu vaccine. Why aren?t you scolding them for putting maw maw on her death bed every year?

[Todd4State]

What you do directly impacts the people that don't believe as you do. That isn't fair to them.

Life isn't fair. Doesn't mean that others have to stop living.

[Commercecomet24]

I agree that each entity should be able to make its own rules about masks. This includes football stadiums, individual restaurants, businesses. Each customer can then choose to patronize that business or not.

If Davis Wade says you can't come in without a mask, then that's the rule. Not state of MS telling you, not city of Starkville telling you.

If a business chooses to require masks, some will start shopping there because they feel it's safer, others will choose a different store because they don't won't to be told to wear a mask. Each make their own choice and every business operates the way they feel is best for them.

This is my opinion of how it should operate. My opinion and a couple dollars will buy you a Coke in a stinky cup this fall.

Yes this is the way it should be.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I agree that each entity should be able to make its own rules about masks. This includes football stadiums, individual restaurants, businesses. Each customer can then choose to patronize that business or not.

If Davis Wade says you can't come in without a mask, then that's the rule. Not state of MS telling you, not city of Starkville telling you.

If a business chooses to require masks, some will start shopping there because they feel it's safer, others will choose a different store because they don't won't to be told to wear a mask. Each make their own choice and every business operates the way they feel is best for them.

This is my opinion of how it should operate. My opinion and a couple dollars will buy you a Coke in a stinky cup this fall.

I'd pay a lot more than a couple dollars for a Coke in a stinky cup right about now. Especially if it had a little heat in it.

[Maroonthirteen]

Doring may be right in that there is college football this fall. However, if the covid spreads like crazy among players......money won't be a factor. It will be shut down.

I fully expect school and football to start and both shut down by October.

Don't be mad Clay.

[Cowbell]

What you do directly impacts the people that don't believe as you do. That isn't fair to them.

You realize this works both ways right? Bars and restaurants having mandatory limits will effect more lives long-term than the people actually negatively impacted by the "epidemic". My wife spent 4 days in the hospital alone with this so I think I have some clear vision to say that.

[Cowbell]

I agree that each entity should be able to make its own rules about masks. This includes football stadiums, individual restaurants, businesses. Each customer can then choose to patronize that business or not.

If Davis Wade says you can't come in without a mask, then that's the rule. Not state of MS telling you, not city of Starkville telling you.

If a business chooses to require masks, some will start shopping there because they feel it's safer, others will choose a different store because they don't won't to be told to wear a mask. Each make their own choice and every business operates the way they feel is best for them.

This is my opinion of how it should operate. My opinion and a couple dollars will buy you a Coke in a stinky cup this fall.

You are right on my friend. Gov. Abbott here in TX mandates masks last Friday and it will cost him a re-election here. He should have just came out and re-Inforced that each business has the right to make this decision on their own. I don't mind wearing a mask where the businesses require but I refuse to wear it due to a gov. Mandate that is not actually legal or enforceable here.

[TrapGame]

Doring may be right in that there is college football this fall. However, if the covid spreads like crazy among players......money won't be a factor. It will be shut down.

I fully expect school and football to start and both shut down by October.

Don't be mad Clay.

We got way too many people walking around with a COVID diagnosis and no symptoms. This virus has a 98% survival rate and we are treating it like the Black Death.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You are right on my friend. Gov. Abbott here in TX mandates masks last Friday and it will cost him a re-election here. He should have just came out and re-Inforced that each business has the right to make this decision on their own. I don't mind wearing a mask where the businesses require but I refuse to wear it due to a gov. Mandate that is not actually legal or enforceable here.

I tend to fall on that side. It should be a business by business approach. Gov't, at any level, telling people that they have to wear a mask should be an ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT and it really shouldn't happen. Honestly, a person should have enough sense whether they need to wear a mask or not. Now I know some don't and could walk around knowingly or unknowningly infecting people. That's why the businesses should be the one's deciding whether or not to wear a mask. Cause if the gov't has to step in and do it you piss people off and you have someone who leans EXTREMELY left or right that can come in and steal an election from a good candidate.

[Dawg2003]

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

The problem is that your actions affect the group. The idea of small government and personal responsibility is a good slogan, but it falls apart in the face of public health. People aren't taking personal responsibility. I'm not a fan of the government telling me how to live my life either, but public health is much more complicated than that. We don't all live in a bubble when it comes to public health issues.

[confucius say]

Doring may be right in that there is college football this fall. However, if the covid spreads like crazy among players......money won't be a factor. It will be shut down.

I fully expect school and football to start and both shut down by October.

Don't be mad Clay.

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

[Walkerhill]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

That is the worst case outcome. A stunted season and a lost year.

College football cannot work in the current moment.

The US pro soccer league tried a restart by isolating and testing the players and then keeping them in a bubble playing games with tv only, no fans at the Orlando complex.

Two teams had to withdraw so far. They do not touch a common ball with their hands, soccer is more spread out than football and most importantly the players were isolated (as opposed to the players attending classes and embedding in the student population on campus). It did not work. NBA will have similar problems unless they implement extreme quarantine measures that would be impossible for college football.

People thinking that in 2 months time, because big dollars are involved and/or college towns need the income, we are going to somehow get to a normal uninterrupted season played in front of fans are completely fooling themselves.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I tend to fall on that side. It should be a business by business approach. Gov't, at any level, telling people that they have to wear a mask should be an ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT and it really shouldn't happen. Honestly, a person should have enough sense whether they need to wear a mask or not. Now I know some don't and could walk around knowingly or unknowningly infecting people. That's why the businesses should be the one's deciding whether or not to wear a mask. Cause if the gov't has to step in and do it you piss people off and you have someone who leans EXTREMELY left or right that can come in and steal an election from a good candidate.

Common sense isn't all that common these days. Just look at this thread. Everyone thinks their opinion is the correct one but there is no true consensus. The country is full of egotistical, self-serving, ADD inflicted morons. From the MAGAs to the "Woke" ones and everyone in between....

[KentuckyDawg13]

pathetic

[Jack Lambert]

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[Liverpooldawg]

Almost sounds like the people who want to quarantine should and those that don't shouldn't. Then the actions of those that don't quarantine wouldn't affect those who are, but then again I believe individual freedom > collectivist ideals.

If that could be done then fine, but it can't be. When it comes to a deadly epidemic collectivist ideals are the only way to deal with it. I agree with you otherwise. Ignorance and stubbornness have put us where we are.

[Liverpooldawg]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

It's not about the players.

[Liverpooldawg]

Yet 10s of thousands still die of flu every year from it. I'm pretty confident that any health professional would tell you that wearing masks during flu season would drastically reduce deaths due to flu.

I understand that the sicknesses are not exactly apples to apples but both kill 10s of thousands and we currently can't seem to stop either from doing it.

If CV vaccine and treatment comes and we still have 60k people die from CV each year like flu(I think we will), then what?

For the record, there have already been mutations in CV. The mutations are the same reasons flu vaccines don't guarantee people not to get and die from flu.

If I believed that everyone wearing a mask for a few months would eradicate CV, I would actually support it. However, I don't believe it.

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

[confucius say]

It's not about the players.

If you operate on the premise that the decision to play is not about the players, I.e., the players will be fine if we play, then play. There is zero reason anybody has to come in contact with them. Including coaches. As a coach I don't ever have to be close by you. Particularly in a situation where I would not have on a mask.

[TrapGame]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

I'm 50 and haven't had ONE person I know die. I know of ONE person that had it. Key word HAD. They're fine. Get off the fear porn Liver. This is not the Black Death. People are not dropping like flies.

I was in a traffic jam on Hwy 49 this morning. Believe me, everybody's fine.

[confucius say]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

You're in your 50s and never known somebody to die with the flu? Seriously? If true, and Considering there are 45k a year, that should tell you how little we cover the flu vs covid.

The below was sent to me today. I can link the article that is referenced if you'd like.
Read an article this morning. All the below are quotes from the article, which also talked about hospitals turning away patients bc overcrowded and sending ambulances to other hospitals or clinics. It is from January 2018 and the flu outbreak.

"Medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures, asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting family friends visits, and cancelling elective surgeries, to name a few."

"Our hospital is managing, but just barely."

"We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different."

"I've been in practice 30 years, and it's been 15 or 20 years since I've seen an illness scenario like this."

In Alabama, "a state of emergency was declared in response to the epidemic." "UAB hospital cancelled elective surgeries to make more beds available to patients."

"In California, which has been hit particularly hard, several hospitals have set up large surge tents outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat patients. Even then, emergency departments have standing-room only, and patients are being treated in hallways."

The article went on to describe similar situations in Pennsylvania, Chicago, and Missouri.

[Mobile Bay]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

I know one person who has had this and she is fine.

[Ari Gold]

You're in your 50s and never known somebody to die with the flu? Seriously? If true, and Considering there are 45k a year, that should tell you how little we cover the flu vs covid.

The below was sent to me today. I can link the article that is referenced if you'd like.
Read an article this morning. All the below are quotes from the article, which also talked about hospitals turning away patients bc overcrowded and sending ambulances to other hospitals or clinics. It is from January 2018 and the flu outbreak.

"Medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures, asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting family friends visits, and cancelling elective surgeries, to name a few."

"Our hospital is managing, but just barely."

"We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different."

"I've been in practice 30 years, and it's been 15 or 20 years since I've seen an illness scenario like this."

In Alabama, "a state of emergency was declared in response to the epidemic." "UAB hospital cancelled elective surgeries to make more beds available to patients."

"In California, which has been hit particularly hard, several hospitals have set up large surge tents outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat patients. Even then, emergency departments have standing-room only, and patients are being treated in hallways."

The article went on to describe similar situations in Pennsylvania, Chicago, and Missouri.


Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

[Bothrops]

Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

Great post.

[DownwardDawg]

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. I’ve never seen anything like it. People have lost their minds over their hate for him.

[Dawgfan77]

I'm 50 and haven't had ONE person I know die. I know of ONE person that had it. Key word HAD. They're fine. Get off the fear porn Liver. This is not the Black Death. People are not dropping like flies.

I was in a traffic jam on Hwy 49 this morning. Believe me, everybody's fine.

Im with you. I know people who had it and said it's sucks but Any sickness sucks. I highly doubt he knows anyone who has passed away let alone several. He is a fear porn junkie

[confucius say]

Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

Correct. And I don't like trump.

Hospitals being overrun is not a new phenomenon. That's why I posted the above. It's our response that has changed.

We destroyed our economy, which was at a near all time high, for a virus that kills less people than the flu for those under 50. Less people than car wrecks if you're under 40. It is mind boggling that the response was not to shelter those over 50 and let them work from home and everybody else go about life.

[Mobile Bay]

Correct. And I don't like trump.

Hospitals being overrun is not a new phenomenon. That's why I posted the above. It's our response that has changed.

We destroyed our economy, which was at a near all time high, for a virus that kills less people than the flu for those under 50. Less people than car wrecks if you're under 40. It is mind boggling that the response was not to shelter those over 50 and let them work from home and everybody else go about life.

Meanwhile people like me. I live alone and have been on work from home for months now. My productivity has collapsed. I get lower and lower each day from lack of interaction. I pretty much drink every day now. It's reached to point where I am getting help and am on medication.

Suicide rises with unemployment

Heroin deaths are at an all time high.

We may be killing more people with the response than the virus would have ever done.

[Maroonthirteen]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

Oh I agree with you're saying. However my point is based on the fact of how the gov and decision makers have reacted over the last 4 months. Also my point is the gov and decision makers won't care about the athletic budgets and tv money. They'll close things in the name of safety.

As for MY thoughts on this whole issue of shutting down everything..... Ari Gold said it perfectly. However I'm not a GoV official or decision maker for athletics.

[confucius say]

Meanwhile people like me. I live alone and have been on work from home for months now. My productivity has collapsed. I get lower and lower each day from lack of interaction. I pretty much drink every day now. It's reached to point where I am getting help and am on medication.

Suicide rises with unemployment

Heroin deaths are at an all time high.

We may be killing more people with the response than the virus would have ever done.

Brother, pm me anytime if you want somebody to talk to. I know you don't know me and prob have other people way ahead of me, but please reach out to them if it gets to that point. Or me. Or somebody else on here. This too shall pass.

[confucius say]

Oh I agree with you're saying. However my point is based on the fact of how the gov and decision makers have reacted over the last 4 months. Also my point is the gov and decision makers won't care about the athletic budgets and tv money. They'll close things in the name of safety.

As for MY thoughts on this whole issue of shutting down everything..... Ari Gold said it perfectly. However I'm not a GoV official or decision maker for athletics.

I hear ya.

[Turfdawg67]

Great post.

Not really... all the dumbasses that laughed at this shit back in May are absolutely (albeit not totally) responsible if we don't have football this fall. And to them I say, 17 you!!

[SheltonChoked]

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

What you are too stubborn to admit is that you are not taking personal responsibility by refusing to wear a mask. Your Personal responsibility to society is not to infect others. You are contagious before you show symptoms. Therefore, you cannot be certain you are not sick and infecting others.

Your right to swing your arm ends at my nose.

Your right to not wear a mask ends at your ability to infect others.

[SheltonChoked]

Yet 10s of thousands still die of flu every year from it. I'm pretty confident that any health professional would tell you that wearing masks during flu season would drastically reduce deaths due to flu.

I understand that the sicknesses are not exactly apples to apples but both kill 10s of thousands and we currently can't seem to stop either from doing it.

If CV vaccine and treatment comes and we still have 60k people die from CV each year like flu(I think we will), then what?

For the record, there have already been mutations in CV. The mutations are the same reasons flu vaccines don't guarantee people not to get and die from flu.

If I believed that everyone wearing a mask for a few months would eradicate CV, I would actually support it. However, I don't believe it.


Again, you are too stubborn to know the truth. If you have the Flu, you are contagious and show symptoms in the same 24 hours. With Covid, you get the virus, you spread the virus for a week, then you show symptoms.

Wearing a mask might help some with Flu in crowded areas like airplanes and public transit.

The virus doesn't care what "you believe" and I see no evidence you took enough microbiology or virology classes to have an educated enough opinion about it.

[SheltonChoked]

You are right on my friend. Gov. Abbott here in TX mandates masks last Friday and it will cost him a re-election here. He should have just came out and re-Inforced that each business has the right to make this decision on their own. I don't mind wearing a mask where the businesses require but I refuse to wear it due to a gov. Mandate that is not actually legal or enforceable here.

Yeah because the mask plan he had in place was working so well that the largest medical center in the world has run out of normal ICU beds....

Abbot did it as a last resort and overloaded our medical system.

The mandate is legal and enforceable. It's a public health issue. George Washington mandated immunization.

[SheltonChoked]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

Yeah because death is the only issue with COVID....

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-can-target-the-entire-nervous-system-causing-dizziness-and-delirium
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080750/coronavirus-attacks-lining-blood-vessels-all-over-body-swiss

And no way those players have older people in their families, they are all orphans...

[SheltonChoked]

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. I?ve never seen anything like it. People have lost their minds over their hate for him.

Yep have not seen anything like it since 2008-2016 about Obama.....

[NWADAWG]

What you are too stubborn to admit is that you are not taking personal responsibility by refusing to wear a mask. Your Personal responsibility to society is not to infect others. You are contagious before you show symptoms. Therefore, you cannot be certain you are not sick and infecting others.

Your right to swing your arm ends at my nose.

Your right to not wear a mask ends at your ability to infect others.

I never said I don't wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I wear one whenever at stores or around others out in public that I can't stay socially distanced. I use common sense without any mandates to force me to.

[Dawgfan77]

Brother, pm me anytime if you want somebody to talk to. I know you don't know me and prob have other people way ahead of me, but please reach out to them if it gets to that point. Or me. Or somebody else on here. This too shall pass.
Same... PM and I will be glad to chat.

[Dawgfan77]

I never said I don't wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I wear one whenever at stores or around others out in public that I can't stay socially distanced. I use common sense without any mandates to force me to.

Don't argue with him. Waste of time. He is a liberal dem who is using any avenues he can to show he is correct on any subject matter. He won't debate just argue. Shelton is probably around 25...

[SheltonChoked]

Correct. And I don't like trump.

Hospitals being overrun is not a new phenomenon. That's why I posted the above. It's our response that has changed.

We destroyed our economy, which was at a near all time high, for a virus that kills less people than the flu for those under 50. Less people than car wrecks if you're under 40. It is mind boggling that the response was not to shelter those over 50 and let them work from home and everybody else go about life.

If sheltering everyone under 50 worked then we would not have outbreaks in nursing homes...

But we do, so that doesn't work.

and the entire world shut down. Every nation shut down it's economy. the difference is most of those goverments too it seriously, required masks, tested, contact traced, and isolated.

My home office is in Belgium. Belgium had the worst response to Covid -19 in Europe. They got a late start. They were shut down a month, work from home with 25% staff in the office for another 2 weeks, then to 50%. They wear masks, social distance, and shut down everything. 11% of the population was laid off.

Now they have less than 125 cases a day for the past 2 months. Wearing a mask is required in public. Social distancing is required. Most businesses are open.

We have been shown what to do. And that it works.

But we have too many that refuse to do it. And that's why we will not have in person schools or sports this fall.

[SheltonChoked]

Meanwhile people like me. I live alone and have been on work from home for months now. My productivity has collapsed. I get lower and lower each day from lack of interaction. I pretty much drink every day now. It's reached to point where I am getting help and am on medication.

Suicide rises with unemployment

Heroin deaths are at an all time high.

We may be killing more people with the response than the virus would have ever done.

If we would wear masks, social distance, and wash our hands, we could re open like the rest of the world.

[Todd4State]

Not really... all the dumbasses that laughed at this shit back in May are absolutely (albeit not totally) responsible if we don't have football this fall. And to them I say, 17 you!!

This is such bullshit. Especially when protesting is allowed and encouraged but football outdoors isn't?


Maybe some things are out of our control. Fortunately with this you have 99% chance of living even if you go to a football game.

[Todd4State]

If we would wear masks, social distance, and wash our hands, we could re open like the rest of the world.

Prove it.

[confucius say]

If sheltering everyone under 50 worked then we would not have outbreaks in nursing homes...

But we do, so that doesn't work.

and the entire world shut down. Every nation shut down it's economy. the difference is most of those goverments too it seriously, required masks, tested, contact traced, and isolated.

My home office is in Belgium. Belgium had the worst response to Covid -19 in Europe. They got a late start. They were shut down a month, work from home with 25% staff in the office for another 2 weeks, then to 50%. They wear masks, social distance, and shut down everything. 11% of the population was laid off.

Now they have less than 125 cases a day for the past 2 months. Wearing a mask is required in public. Social distancing is required. Most businesses are open.

We have been shown what to do. And that it works.

But we have too many that refuse to do it. And that's why we will not have in person schools or sports this fall.

If you think people in nursing homes are sheltered (isolated from human contact) or under 50, I don't know what to tell you.

[confucius say]

Yeah because death is the only issue with COVID....

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-can-target-the-entire-nervous-system-causing-dizziness-and-delirium
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/lifelong-lung-damage-the-serious-covid-19-complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3080750/coronavirus-attacks-lining-blood-vessels-all-over-body-swiss

And no way those players have older people in their families, they are all orphans...

My post did not even contain the word death, yet you immediately changed the narrative to be about lack of death.

My post was about hospitalizations and asymptomatic. And you didn't answer the question: again, how many players have been sick enough to be hospitalized? Zero.

Finally, why on earth do you think our players would have to (or choose to) be around their older family members? Are you questioning their intelligence? Their compassion for their families? How dare you. Who are you to presume they are too stupid to not be around old people? I have old family members and I am not around them.

[DownwardDawg]

Yep have not seen anything like it since 2008-2016 about Obama.....

Not even close. The media absolutely loved Obama and the conservative people I know weren’t freaked out over him like people are about Trump. They didn’t care for him, but people still respected him. People are bar shit crazy over Trump.

[Joebob]

Just another reminder, because apparently no one seems to remember this, or wants to acknowledge it, but not wearing a mask is killing the economy right now. The 60+ crowd are the ones with the most disposable income, and study after study has shown that these people are indeed staying home because they don't feel safe. And it's the low wage service workers that serve this demographic that have lost the most jobs. So if you give a shit about people out of work, please wear a mask. The economics of Mississippi may be different because it's more rural with a smaller economy, but it's worth being aware of just the same.

[Joebob]

Prove it.

Really? There's plenty of evidence out their indicating that very thing if you actually care to look for it. Nobody in here should have to prove anything to you.

[Cowbell]

Just another reminder, because apparently no one seems to remember this, or wants to acknowledge it, but not wearing a mask is killing the economy right now. The 60+ crowd are the ones with the most disposable income, and study after study has shown that these people are indeed staying home because they don't feel safe. And it's the low wage service workers that serve this demographic that have lost the most jobs. So if you give a shit about people out of work, please wear a mask. The economics of Mississippi may be different because it's more rural with a smaller economy, but it's worth being aware of just the same.
Masks or no masks, this is still gonna spread. If anything, the masks will lengthen the time it takes to run its course. You people thinking masks are an instant solution are nieve at best.

[TrapGame]

Masks or no masks, this is still gonna spread. If anything, the masks will lengthen the time it takes to run its course. You people thinking masks are an instant solution are nieve at best.

If masks were the Harry Potter wand they're made out to be we would have been encouraged to wear them every flu season before now.

[Turfdawg67]

This is such bullshit. Especially when protesting is allowed and encouraged but football outdoors isn't?


Maybe some things are out of our control. Fortunately with this you have 99% chance of living even if you go to a football game.

Zero bullshit. People could have acted differently and the cases would be much lower... like every other civilized country. Yeah, and 17 the 1% that might die.

Protest encouraged? By that evil media? Lolz

[Turfdawg67]

Prove it.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJN6xD9W/IMG-0811.jpg

We're are the laughing stock of the world.

[Mobile Bay]

https://i.postimg.cc/cJN6xD9W/IMG-0811.jpg

We're are the laughing stock of the world.

And the death rate just keeps on dropping.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-3-day-average

[Turfdawg67]

And the death rate just keeps on dropping.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-3-day-average


And IF it's starts going up we'll just blame the hospitals for inflating the numbers for cash, right?

[TrapGame]

https://i.postimg.cc/cJN6xD9W/IMG-0811.jpg

We're are the laughing stock of the world.

The populations of those countries together is approx. 255 million. The US has over 380 million. Testing is far more accessible than three months ago.

You cannot hide from a virus. You cannot wait it out.

I work in the medical field. All three of my MDs say this whole thing is all BULLSHIT.

[Johnson85]

Zero bullshit. People could have acted differently and the cases would be much lower... like every other civilized country. Yeah, and 17 the 1% that might die.

Protest encouraged? By that evil media? Lolz

People could have acted differently and the cases would be lower, for now. It's not clear how sustainable that is. And it's not clear how much worse the damage to the economy would be.

We probably won't have a good idea of who handled it the best for another year or maybe even two depending on how long people keep modifying their behavior, and we see how many excess deaths there were over time and how everybody's economy did, and even then, it will be hard to figure out. For example, we're going to have a decent number of excess deaths from demoralizing so many of our police departments in relatively violent cities. Somebody is going to have to do the work of trying to determine which excess deaths, such as suicide, are probably meaningfully driven by our covid response, and which excess deaths, like increased murders in inner cities where police are under fire, are not. And then also how much of it was driven not by COVID policy responses but by endogenous factors like how unhealthy and susceptible the population is to begin with.

[confucius say]

Zero bullshit. People could have acted differently and the cases would be much lower... like every other civilized country. Yeah, and 17 the 1% that might die.

Protest encouraged? By that evil media? Lolz

Is there zero correlation that massive protests of millions started and cases began to explode? Is that not at least part of the cause for case explosion? I'm not saying the protest were wrong mind you.

Did you condemn the protest as unwise with respect to the spread of covid? Maybe you did, I honestly don't know.

[Johnson85]

Is there zero correlation that massive protests of millions started and cases began to explode? Is that not at least part of the cause for case explosion? I'm not saying the protest were wrong mind you.

Did you condemn the protest as unwise with respect to the spread of covid? Maybe you did, I honestly don't know.

The explosion is very much related to the protests, not only because there was transmission but probably just as importantly and maybe more importantly, because the response to the protests clearly communicated that people claiming COVID was serious and deadly didn't really believe that very strongly.

[Turfdawg67]

The populations of those countries together is approx. 255 million. The US has over 380 million. Testing is far more accessible than three months ago.

You cannot hide from a virus. You cannot wait it out.

I work in the medical field. All three of my MDs say this whole thing is all BULLSHIT.

I know it's hard to contain your zeal to say Covid is bullshit over and over. This post was for Todd. He asked Sheldon to prove how masks, social distancing and shutdowns were successful.


Is there zero correlation that massive protests of millions started and cases began to explode? Is that not at least part of the cause for case explosion? I'm not saying the protest were wrong mind you.

Did you condemn the protest as unwise with respect to the spread of covid? Maybe you did, I honestly don't know.

Yes the protests absolutely share responsibility of cases going up, but the rise started after Memorial Day when people just said 17 it, I'm going on with my life. Fine, herd community and all that jazz... good for you. Well, and back to my original post, you're about to screw us all out of a football season. I'm sure we'll have plenty of blame to go around if that happens but the fact is we could've prevented a lot of this WHILE still opening our economy.

[FISHDAWG]

damn ... I think this thread caught Covid ... Maybe y'all need to wear a mask while typing

[Commercecomet24]

damn ... I think this thread caught Covid ... Maybe y'all need to wear a mask while typing

It did.

[TrapGame]

I know it's hard to contain your zeal to say Covid is bullshit over and over. This post was for Todd. He asked Sheldon to prove how masks, social distancing and shutdowns were successful.

If by zeal you mean to uncover the veracity of what is just a campaign year stunt all b/c "Orange Man Bad". Yeah, I'm a zealot and it's still bullshit.

But, hey, you post shit. You get a response. It's a message board.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Is there zero correlation that massive protests of millions started and cases began to explode? Is that not at least part of the cause for case explosion? I'm not saying the protest were wrong mind you.

Did you condemn the protest as unwise with respect to the spread of covid? Maybe you did, I honestly don't know.

Since you like to post about protests, I have a quick question for you: what came first - Trump publicly encouraging people to protest their state to reopen (to which they did) or George Floyd's death???

Now, I'm not asking which had more people participate - I'm simply asking which one came first. I've linked some hints for you below as you attempt to answer my question...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/governors-decry-trump-support-coronavirus-protesters-dangerous-n1187391

https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-protests-timeline.html

[hacker]

https://i.imgur.com/Keu70jQ.png

Turfdawg, your graph was out of date.

Also, EU population = 446 million

[confucius say]

Since you like to post about protests, I have a quick question for you: what came first - Trump publicly encouraging people to protest their state to reopen (to which they did) or George Floyd's death???

Now, I'm not asking which had more people participate - I'm simply asking which one came first. I've linked some hints for you below as you attempt to answer my question...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/governors-decry-trump-support-coronavirus-protesters-dangerous-n1187391

https://www.nytimes.com/article/george-floyd-protests-timeline.html

Trump did. Not sure your point? I support all peaceful protests, even if I disagree with the underlying cause which the protest supports.

[hacker]

Is there zero correlation that massive protests of millions started and cases began to explode? Is that not at least part of the cause for case explosion? I'm not saying the protest were wrong mind you.

Did you condemn the protest as unwise with respect to the spread of covid? Maybe you did, I honestly don't know.

Sure, it was unwise. But isn't it strange that cases aren't exploding in the areas with the largest protests, like NYC, DC, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, etc?

[confucius say]

Sure, it was unwise. But isn't it strange that cases aren't exploding in the areas with the largest protests, like NYC, DC, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, etc?

I hope that's a good sign that there is immunity, seeing as nyc and Chicago and philly have had explosions previously. Not sure about Boston or dc, but generally the north was hit harder previously and the south now. Maybe that's why Houston and Phoenix have seen spikes

[Johnson85]

Sure, it was unwise. But isn't it strange that cases aren't exploding in the areas with the largest protests, like NYC, DC, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, etc?

Not really. Seems pretty clear climate plus the time of initial exposure plays a pretty significant role in the spread. The places you are mentioning have largely already had a spike and were unable to flatten the curve to begin with. Most of the places COVID is exploding now didn't have big spikes to begin with and are very hot and tend to spend much mroe time indoors with the air conditioning cranked up.

[SheltonChoked]

Not even close. The media absolutely loved Obama and the conservative people I know weren?t freaked out over him like people are about Trump. They didn?t care for him, but people still respected him. People are bar shit crazy over Trump.


Bullshit, no one in the GOP side "respected Obama"
LOL..

Yeah no freakouts over his birth certificate, or Benghazi, or tan suits....

[SheltonChoked]

Prove it.

Cite

New Zealand
Belgium
France
Germany
UK
Italy
Spain
Switzerland
South Korea


Prove that it will not...

[SheltonChoked]

And the death rate just keeps on dropping.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-deaths-3-day-average

Deaths are a lagging indicator....

But I hope you are right....

[SheltonChoked]

The populations of those countries together is approx. 255 million. The US has over 380 million. Testing is far more accessible than three months ago.

You cannot hide from a virus. You cannot wait it out.

I work in the medical field. All three of my MDs say this whole thing is all BULLSHIT.

Ok do per capita....

They are still kicking our ass.

Mainly due to they have leaders.

[Dawg2003]

Bullshit, no one in the GOP side "respected Obama"
LOL..

Yeah no freakouts over his birth certificate, or Benghazi, or tan suits....

The GOP said we were all going to wake up in a communist hellscape if Obama was elected. They're just as histrionic as the Dems can be about Trump. Tucker Carlson is always going on about how statues and sociology professors are an existential threat to us.

[TrapGame]

Ok do per capita....

They are still kicking our ass.

Mainly due to they have leaders.

Europe has already had their explosion in cases. We are having ours. You cannot outrun a virus. It has to run its course. Shutting down and hiding like little bitches has made it worse.

I'm sorry Hillary didn't win. I'm sure if she had we would not be hearing A DAMN THING ABOUT COVID 19. Just like Obama and the Swine Flu.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm 50 and haven't had ONE person I know die. I know of ONE person that had it. Key word HAD. They're fine. Get off the fear porn Liver. This is not the Black Death. People are not dropping like flies.

I was in a traffic jam on Hwy 49 this morning. Believe me, everybody's fine.

Lol, another tough guy who thinks those that don't think like him are scared.

[Liverpooldawg]

Im with you. I know people who had it and said it's sucks but Any sickness sucks. I highly doubt he knows anyone who has passed away let alone several. He is a fear porn junkie

I wish I was lying. I really do. This stuff got real for me very early on and it hasn't stopped. Hopefully for you it never does.

[Liverpooldawg]

I never said I don't wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I wear one whenever at stores or around others out in public that I can't stay socially distanced. I use common sense without any mandates to force me to.

Most peole where I live don't, and won't unless forced to.

[Mobile Bay]

Ok do per capita....

They are still kicking our ass.

Mainly due to they have leaders.

Their government derives it's power by we are the government, 17 you.

Our government derives it's power from the consent of the governed.

There is a difference. You are a citizen. Many Europeans are subjects.

[Liverpooldawg]

The populations of those countries together is approx. 255 million. The US has over 380 million. Testing is far more accessible than three months ago.

You cannot hide from a virus. You cannot wait it out.

I work in the medical field. All three of my MDs say this whole thing is all BULLSHIT.

What region are you in?

[Liverpooldawg]

Europe has already had their explosion in cases. We are having ours. You cannot outrun a virus. It has to run its course. Shutting down and hiding like little bitches has made it worse.

I'm sorry Hillary didn't win. I'm sure if she had we would not be hearing A DAMN THING ABOUT COVID 19. Just like Obama and the Swine Flu.

We had the same explosion and it started to go down. Ours mirrored thiers......until we opened back up and masses of individuals decided that it was over and they could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. If you think this is all about politics to get Trump, then you and those like you are a big part of the problem. I'm sorry but that is just delusional insanity.

[Liverpooldawg]

Their government derives it's power by we are the government, 17 you.

Our government derives it's power from the consent of the governed.

There is a difference. You are a citizen. Many Europeans are subjects.

Lol, you don't know much about Europe. That's hilarious. Try not to get caught up in the words on the front of a passport.

[Dawgfan77]

Most peole where I live don't, and won't unless forced to.

I don't know where you live but you do have a propensity to stretch the truth without reliable sources. So yeah. I don't want to disagree with you but if you don't mind I'm gonna side with the fact you know more people that have possibly come into contact with Rona but probably don't personally know people who have died... let alone multiple people...I mean I met pat dye once... saw John prine went to see joe diffie in concert. So I guess I know 3 people

[Homedawg]

I don't know where you live but you do have a propensity to stretch the truth without reliable sources. So yeah. I don't want to disagree with you but if you don't mind I'm gonna side with the fact you know more people that have possibly come into contact with Rona but probably don't personally know people who have died... let alone multiple people...I mean I met pat dye once... saw John prine went to see joe diffie in concert. So I guess I know 3 people
Par dye died of kidney failure and joe diffie had stage 4 lung cancer. Yet both went as Covid deaths. There the lack of trust. Both listed covid cause of death.

[Mobile Bay]

Lol, you don't know much about Europe. That's hilarious. Try not to get caught up in the words on the front of a passport.

Remind me who has a monarch and who has an elected president?

[Mobile Bay]

Par dye died of kidney failure and joe diffie had stage 4 lung cancer. Yet both went as Covid deaths. There the lack of trust. Both listed covid cause of death.

Pat Dye died of being an old drunk. You drink as much as he did, smoke as much as he did, and you life ends at 80, which is a good damn run and more than many of us get.

[Homedawg]

Pat Dye died of being an old drunk. You drink as much as he did, smoke as much as he did, and you life ends at 80, which is a good damn run and more than many of us get.

I get it. He went to hospital due to kidney failure. But his death was counted as covid!!

[Commercecomet24]

All this pat dye talk reminded me I saw a tommy tuberville for us senate sign in muscle shoals yesterday. Made me laugh!

[Cowbell]

All this pat dye talk reminded me I saw a tommy tuberville for us senate sign in muscle shoals yesterday. Made me laugh!
Was it on the side of a pine box???

[Todd4State]

Cite

New Zealand
Belgium
France
Germany
UK
Italy
Spain
Switzerland
South Korea


Prove that it will not...

The fact that you are using data from countries that have different population and different testing methods is the first one.

The second is the constant moving the goal posts and the hypocritical media standards where BLM prostest are OK but a Trump Rally and a bar-b-que isn't.

Our freedom is being taken away but people don't realize it because it's pick and choose right now with the media telling us what we "can" and "can't do".

And if wearing a mask is so effective there is no reason to go ahead and cancel college games two months out without seeing the results. And it's interesting that the media is championing spring football like there is something that is going to happen in November and they want to keep people as miserable as possible in the meantime.

[BeardoMSU]

Bullshit, no one in the GOP side "respected Obama"
LOL..

Yeah no freakouts over his birth certificate, or Benghazi, or tan suits....

Just add outrage over "fiscal responsibility" and "executive orders" to your list, and you've got a barn burner on your hands**


Seriously, though...don't expect a legit, honest, or fact-based rebuttal to your post. It's an election year after all, lol.

[DownwardDawg]

Just add outrage over "fiscal responsibility" and "executive orders" to your list, and you've got a barn burner on your hands**


Seriously, though...don't expect a legit, honest, or fact-based rebuttal to your post. It's an election year after all, lol.

Not many if any posters will waste their time replying to him. Lost cause.
I had a lot of hope in Obama. I’m a conservative. He let me down just like he let down the rest of the country, especially minorities.

[Commercecomet24]

Was it on the side of a pine box???

Ha! Might as well have been! He'll fit right in, in Washington

[Cowbell]

Ha! Might as well have been! He'll fit right in, in Washington

You know he would.

My brother played for him, though, and loved him.

[R2Dawg]

You guys can come up with all kinds of reasons for or against but it all boils down to this. If we don't have football this fall, many people will learn to live without it going forward, including myself. As much counter culture as is getting involved currently, there is a large portion of the national football fan base that will find something else to do with their time and money. That means everyone lo$e$ including much of our media. If we don't have football this fall, many of the media members will be looking for jobs. How does Kirk H. Or Lee Corso make money if no football.
We are gonna Have football and it's time everybody let go of the reasons why not to have it and let people make their own decisions and move on. Fans can enter stadiums at their own risks.
I went to every home game during the Croom Era and there is no way Covid can be worse on your bodily health than watching that crap.

Only one reason football will be - money. It is very important to the overall economy too. It impacts what I do at work.

However I agree with other parts that the political combination with virus with an already declining attendance doesn't bode well for short term future. Also throw family economies into the mix and attendance was going to take a dive anyway this year. I'm not sure a lot of places can fill 50% stadium right now. We can't even get students to fill their section most seasons unless we are #1 in country.

[bluelightstar]

Just add outrage over "fiscal responsibility" and "executive orders" to your list, and you've got a barn burner on your hands**


Seriously, though...don't expect a legit, honest, or fact-based rebuttal to your post. It's an election year after all, lol.

Don?t forget Jade Helm, Loretta Lynch on the tarmac, and Michelle Obama being a man. I mean, it?s just ridiculous and revisionist for anyone to pretend like right-wing media didn?t have ?Obama Derangement Syndrome.?

Everybody is way too wrapped up in this stuff.