Parents, you want public schools to open in Aug if cases are still spiking in Ms or

[Indndawg]

wherever?

[RezDog7]

Absolutely

[The Federalist Engineer]

delete.

[Dawgtini]

Yes

[Johnson85]

wherever?

Only if we can't open them in July.**

But seriously, I really wish they would have planned to open in July to give an option to shutdown for a week or two in the fall or after Christmas. In hindsight, they should have opened schools back up in May to finish the semester but that's water under the bridge at this point.

I realize that's all a logistical nightmare and there is the question of contracts and compensation, but if we find out that school aged children do act not just to spread COVID to each other but also to less healthy populations outside of school, it would be nice to have the option to shut down for an extra couple of weeks without completely fubarring the school year for the kids.

[SheltonChoked]

And if we find out that school aged children do spread COVID to each other and also to parents, grandparents, other caregivers, and less healthy populations inside and outside of school, it would be nice to have the option to not overwhelm our medical system.... Again....


It depends. Based on where we are now, in Houston Metro, kids should be back on learn from home.

If we can get back to the level we were in early May, and everyone will wear a mask, then I could see some sort of in class instruction.

But the USA has shown we are not mature enough to follow basic instructions.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And if we find out that school aged children do spread COVID to each other and also to parents, grandparents, other caregivers, and less healthy populations inside and outside of school, it would be nice to have the option to not overwhelm our medical system.... Again....


It depends. Based on where we are now, in Houston Metro, kids should be back on learn from home.

If we can get back to the level we were in early May, and everyone will wear a mask, then I could see some sort of in class instruction.

But the USA has shown we are not mature enough to follow basic instructions.

Did you really expect people to sit in their houses til we have a vaccine? I mean how asinine and na?ve are you to believe that was a possibility. A rise in cases was going to happen, it was inevitable. We're testing at a rate that is triple most other countries. It's past time to get back to living life. Let people make their own choices regarding they and their family's safety. No one is forcing parents to send their kids back to school in the fall just as no one is forcing people to go to a ballgame. Most administrators I've talked to have plans in place to handle any type of situation. If you want to hole your kid up for the rest of time, then I'm sure the school will be more than accommodating towards distance learning.

[MStateDawg]

100%.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

For working parents, Where are the kids supposed to stay if there is no school?

[confucius say]

My kids have been at a daily 8-530 summer camp for a month with 150 other kids. No issues from any of the kids or teachers (or parents that I know of). It makes me wonder if there is smn to the theory that asymptomatic people (like kids) don't shed the virus.

[confucius say]

For working parents, Where are the kids supposed to stay if there is no school?

Liverpool's house

[IMissJack]

Leaning to yes. I don't wish anyone to get Covid, but I believe the young and healthy are the least at danger.

[Gutter Cobreh]

For working parents, Where are the kids supposed to stay if there is no school?

Where I live, the school district is offering two options for the fall: 1) Send your kids to school or 2) Home school your kids using distance learning (like how the spring semester finished).

In this scenario, it's the parent's decision on what best works for them. I've spoken with some parents who are going to distance learn while others are going to send their kids to school. I would rather have the option as a parent versus being forced into the scenario that you describe. During quarantine when nothing was open and most jobs were working remotely, it was somewhat feasible. Unless a parent stayed at home full-time, distance learning isn't really an option.

[Jack Lambert]

Yes. I do think they will open regardless but it could very well be only two grades every other day. Example 9th and 10th one day and then 11th and 12th the next.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Did you really expect people to sit in their houses til we have a vaccine? I mean how asinine and na?ve are you to believe that was a possibility. A rise in cases was going to happen, it was inevitable. We're testing at a rate that is triple most other countries. It's past time to get back to living life. Let people make their own choices regarding they and their family's safety. No one is forcing parents to send their kids back to school in the fall just as no one is forcing people to go to a ballgame. Most administrators I've talked to have plans in place to handle any type of situation. If you want to hole your kid up for the rest of time, then I'm sure the school will be more than accommodating towards distance learning.

No, but you would hope they wouldn't make a federal case out of wearing a 17n mask and not congregating in groups over 10 damn people. Dumb 17s.

[MafiaDawg]

The virus is not going away. We have to learn to live with it. Plus for kids, it?s the same danger as the flu.

[Jack Lambert]

The virus is not going away. We have to learn to live with it. Plus for kids, it?s the same danger as the flu.

It is less than the flu.

[MafiaDawg]

Yea, point being keeping your kids out of regular school for another semester will do waaay more harm. They may never be able to catch up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No, but you would hope they wouldn't make a federal case out of wearing a 17n mask and not congregating in groups over 10 damn people. Dumb 17s.

If places don't require masks then most people aren't going to wear one. That's just the facts. They are definitely uncomfortable and if you don't HAVE to wear one then it's much easier to not. Now I'm not deciding on where to go strictly off who requires to wear a mask, but some people do. It's the world we live in.

[dantheman4248]

It is less than the flu.

Does the flu scar your lungs for life?

[Jacksondevildog]

Good luck getting kids K-12 to wear masks at all times. Talk about a headache enforcing. If you send the student to the office for not wearing a mask, you are opening up a can of worms for lawsuits from parents. It's like saying that girls must wear skirts if they are female. That shit works in private schools, but not public. Getting 1,000 students to wear a mask at all times is harder to enforce than you throwing on your Hail State mask when you go to Target to buy your boot cut jeans.

[RiverCityDawg]

Our school system polled all the families and 57% said yes. Only 18% said they prefer e-learning and the balance said they would like more info on the safety protocols before deciding. I was among the 57%. This is in the Birmingham area.

[Schultzy]

This doc says the current spike can be seen as a positive as it will inevitably cycle through & schools should open & gives reasons why. Also says...

50% of cases Are asymptomatic
48% - 49% are flulike only
1-2% are more serious

Lots of other info in here

https://youtu.be/kZqGSnVt8c8

[MafiaDawg]

Does the flu scar your lungs for life?

Umm that doesn?t happen to children. Freak out much?

[dantheman4248]

Umm that doesn?t happen to children. Freak out much?

I asked a question. We don't know for sure what the long term effects of this is and if that is only for old people.

I just would be hard pressed to believe parents could be so unconcerned for their children.

[Johnson85]

I asked a question. We don't know for sure what the long term effects of this is and if that is only for old people.

I just would be hard pressed to believe parents could be so unconcerned for their children.

I'm pretty sure the long term lung issues your referring to come from the "cytokine storm", so I don't think there is any reason to think that kids that are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms will suffer lung damage just from having it in their system.

It's very concerning, but what are you going to do? You can't lock people up forever. Hopefully it is as benign as it looks for children and there aren't any latent issues that we are going to find out about later.

[Political Hack]

"Vaccine" is not the only answer. We could've also deployed a national testing and tracing strategy, which would've helped control and manage the outbreaks and allow us to effectively manage hospital bed space and ICU/PPE/Treatment capacity. But if it takes more than 2 words to explain, many Americans will ignore it and just go on killing their neighbors. For example, "wear a mask" is too complex. We should've just said "wear mask" so the Neanderthals still living amongst us could understand that they're hurting everyone around them and quickly contributing to a situation where will have no choice but to shut back down. Idiots.

[confucius say]

This doc says the current spike can be seen as a positive as it will inevitably cycle through & schools should open & gives reasons why. Also says...

50% of cases Are asymptomatic
48% - 49% are flulike only
1-2% are more serious

Lots of other info in here

https://youtu.be/kZqGSnVt8c8

I've said the same thing. It seems heartless, but makes sense. The higher the case count the quicker we can get to herd immunity if this thing continues to show no significant mutation.

[confucius say]

"Vaccine" is not the only answer. We could've also deployed a national testing and tracing strategy, which would've helped control and manage the outbreaks and allow us to effectively manage hospital bed space and ICU/PPE/Treatment capacity. But if it takes more than 2 words to explain, many Americans will ignore it and just go on killing their neighbors. For example, "wear a mask" is too complex. We should've just said "wear mask" so the Neanderthals still living amongst us could understand that they're hurting everyone around them and quickly contributing to a situation where will have no choice but to shut back down. Idiots.

Why would you want to shut back down? Deaths are plummeting. I would argue the higher the case count the better at this point unless we start to see mutation

[Dognabbit]

Yes. It is time. It needs to be done right.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It is less than the flu.

We do not know that definitively yet.

[Bass Chaser]

"Vaccine" is not the only answer. We could've also deployed a national testing and tracing strategy, which would've helped control and manage the outbreaks and allow us to effectively manage hospital bed space and ICU/PPE/Treatment capacity. But if it takes more than 2 words to explain, many Americans will ignore it and just go on killing their neighbors. For example, "wear a mask" is too complex. We should've just said "wear mask" so the Neanderthals still living amongst us could understand that they're hurting everyone around them and quickly contributing to a situation where will have no choice but to shut back down. Idiots.

You would never be able to implement a tracing strategy with how rural the US is.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Y?all tell the four set of parents I know who kids have come down with Covid that its not dangerous. Yea, none of them had to be put in the hospital but could barely get out of the bed for around 3 to 4 weeks and still to this day 6-8 weeks later they are still having to take breathing treatments and can?t compete in baseball softball and cheer because of it.

[Political Hack]

You would never be able to implement a tracing strategy with how rural the US is.

In rural areas you do it through the hospital system and health department, same as any. You're right that it's more difficult to recognize clusters in a rural area, but you'd still know the saturation rate locally which would give state and local officials the info they need to manage the gas and the brakes.

[Political Hack]

Why would you want to shut back down? Deaths are plummeting. I would argue the higher the case count the better at this point unless we start to see mutation


We can't shut down. That's the point. If we don't learn to manage this as a "slow burn" we'll have to shut down again. And that will be 100% the fault of the "fully open, no mask, don't care, economy first" crowd. We have to manage the gas and the brakes. No groups of more than 50, or 25 or 10. LOCAL mandates to wear mask in public settings when the virus is present. Etc... I WANT FOOTBALL and everyone seems intent on screwing it up!!! If bed space in hospitals, ICUs PPE or medical treatments become scarce we have to shut down. This is a manageable situation that we've refused to manage. It's maddening. If we have to actually "shut down" again, it's the fault of the federal government.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Y?all tell the four set of parents I know who kids have come down with Covid that its not dangerous. Yea, none of them had to be put in the hospital but could barely get out of the bed for around 3 to 4 weeks and still to this day 6-8 weeks later they are still having to take breathing treatments and can?t compete in baseball softball and cheer because of it.

No disrespect, but there are 60 million kids under the age of 14 in this country. Going to need a larger sample size.

Also, I personally know one person (in their 40s) who contracted COVID in March and ended up in ICU. I also know others (same age) who contracted it in May that were back on their feet after a week with no hospital visit. I can't deduce anything from either situation as the sample size is too small...

[Jack Lambert]

Does the flu scar your lungs for life?

More kids die from the flu than the virus. Maybe five years from now that will not be the case since the virus has only been around for 7 months.

[Dawgbite]

I’m sure there are exceptions but home schooling is the sports equivalent of participation trophy’s .

[Jack Lambert]

We do not know that definitively yet.

Agreed but as of right of right now yes. All indicators are kids are not affected like the flu. They seem to be able to fight the virus off and not get sick. Have some gotten sick sure have but if the kid gets the flu that kid is going to get sick. If a kid gets the virus the kid may not even know it.

[confucius say]

We can't shut down. That's the point. If we don't learn to manage this as a "slow burn" we'll have to shut down again. And that will be 100% the fault of the "fully open, no mask, don't care, economy first" crowd. We have to manage the gas and the brakes. No groups of more than 50, or 25 or 10. LOCAL mandates to wear mask in public settings when the virus is present. Etc... I WANT FOOTBALL and everyone seems intent on screwing it up!!! If bed space in hospitals, ICUs PPE or medical treatments become scarce we have to shut down. This is a manageable situation that we've refused to manage. It's maddening. If we have to actually "shut down" again, it's the fault of the federal government.

I don't disagree. I guess the question is whether that stuff is going to get scarce even with spikes in cases. In MS at least, that doesn't appear to be the case with this spike in cases we've seen the last few weeks.

[Jack Lambert]

We can't shut down. That's the point. If we don't learn to manage this as a "slow burn" we'll have to shut down again. And that will be 100% the fault of the "fully open, no mask, don't care, economy first" crowd. We have to manage the gas and the brakes. No groups of more than 50, or 25 or 10. LOCAL mandates to wear mask in public settings when the virus is present. Etc... I WANT FOOTBALL and everyone seems intent on screwing it up!!! If bed space in hospitals, ICUs PPE or medical treatments become scarce we have to shut down. This is a manageable situation that we've refused to manage. It's maddening. If we have to actually "shut down" again, it's the fault of the federal government.

I think just what happened this past school year is going to affect the kids. Many will struggle going forwards. Social learning was a joke. I saw it with my two kids. They go to Rankin County Schools. Hell in some school districts kids did not have the means to distant learn. My understanding was parents were sitting out side McDonalds using thier wi fi. Watching my two kids and what they had to do. They improved their grades but I just don't think they learned anything. Just doing the work and getting an 80% got you one extra point on your final grade plus the grade average in. You could retry over and over until the window was closed. If you did not do the work or fail it or it would hurt your grade, nothing. If did not hurt you or help you. My son has friends who did nothing. Took their grades the way they were. They lost two and one half months of school. That is going to hurt all of them.

[Political Hack]

I think just what happened this past school year is going to affect the kids. Many will struggle going forwards. Social learning was a joke. I saw it with my two kids. They go to Rankin County Schools. Hell in some school districts kids did not have the means to distant learn. My understanding was parents were sitting out side McDonalds using thier wi fi. Watching my two kids and what they had to do. They improved their grades but I just don't think they learned anything. Just doing the work and getting an 80% got you one extra point on your final grade plus the grade average in. You could retry over and over until the window was closed. If you did not do the work or fail it or it would hurt your grade, nothing. If did not hurt you or help you. My son has friends who did nothing. Took their grades the way they were. They lost two and one half months of school. That is going to hurt all of them.

I agree. I will send my children to school given the choice that Georgia has granted parents. I do hope a decent portion stay home and I also hope that we can stay home a distance learn some days and attend some days. However, they'll need to manage that carefully so I doubt there will be a great deal of flexibility to just hop back and forth.

Kids have to go to school so parents can go to work. If we were reacting to the clusters correctly, we could take preemptive steps even within the school system thought. E.g., "Parents, we've had a recent spike in covid cases and we are asking as many students as possible to stay home the next two weeks. The ones who report to school will be required to wear masks when not seated at their desks." But we're not really managing it that way.

[Political Hack]

I don't disagree. I guess the question is whether that stuff is going to get scarce even with spikes in cases. In MS at least, that doesn't appear to be the case with this spike in cases we've seen the last few weeks.

Some areas it will and some it won't. But we've depleted the Strategic National Stockpile already and we haven't even gotten through the first wave. States have a surplus of PPE now, but some key drugs (like remdesiver) are going to run out by the end of June. The death rate is so low now, that the treatment options across the board are working. So it won't be too bad from a treatment standpoint, but any effectiveness we lose treating the disease and freeing up hospital bed space is significant. Not to downplay the deaths of so many Americans, but the mortality rate is incredibly low compared to most pandemics. Death isn't the issue. That's sad, but we can't shut down the world because people are dying. However, maintaining a operational health care system and being able to protect our nationally significant critical infrastructure is a huge issue. And this pandemic could impact both significantly. And for whatever reason, politics has muddied that picture. It's sad.

Soap box moment aside, and back to your question, some places will be fine with capacity and some won't. Regardless, if we get close to capacity, local leaders will have no choice but to cancel games, events, public gatherings, etc... I wish people would do their part to help stop that. I want to play ball with my kids and watch college football and the Saints. Every time I see someone shaking hands, not wearing a mask, and not respecting social distancing guidelines I immediately think "thanks for helping shit on football season." That's my selfish goal, but it should all be our collective goal.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I?m all for doing away with brick and mortar schools as we know it...go to elearning, we wouldn?t need any school supers, admins, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, coaches, janitors, replace teachers with an IPad.....would save the state a ton of money on salaries, retirement, utilities, maintenance etc..and we can put it in infrastructure and attracting industry.

If you don?t want that, figure out how to have School with butts in the seats and teachers in the class room.

[99jc]

Some of you may start to figure out this virus is here for a while our spoiled lives as we know it is over. Suck it up

[Jack Lambert]

I talked to a Principle from one of the Brandon Elementary Schools. Her son and my sons are friends. She said as of now the plans are to go as normal requiring the students to wear mask.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Yes

[Schultzy]

Every mutation LESSENS severity according to the epidemiologists; do not forget this.

[Political Hack]

Every mutation LESSENS severity according to the epidemiologists; do not forget this.

West coast strain was less severe than the east coast strain.

[msstate7]

Liverpool's house

I love this post

[msstate7]

West coast strain was less severe than the east coast strain.

If there are different strains already, how can we possibly get a vaccine?

[RiverCityDawg]

West coast strain was less severe than the east coast strain.

Link?

[Political Hack]

Link?

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/are-there-several-strains-of-sarscov2

Plenty of other good articles on it out there.

The vaccine is not trying to kill the virus, it's killing the transmission of the virus. The strains are similar enough that they transmit the same way generally on the same receptors. Based on what we know about the way it transmits, there's a high level of confidence we will have an effective "vaccine" (or pretreatment) fairly soon. Probably early spring timeframe. That's why there's no point in taking the "hands up, screw it" approach yet. Be responsible and contribute to a slow burn and then we cure it. Move on. It's really not that difficult. We all just have to quit arguing over common sense stuff like masks and social distancing. If we had went to work in Jan/Feb on this, we'd be on the tail end of it during the fall/winter flu season. Not an option now, but if we make it through this winter I suspect all of this will fade relatively quickly.

[SheltonChoked]

Did you really expect people to sit in their houses til we have a vaccine? I mean how asinine and na?ve are you to believe that was a possibility. A rise in cases was going to happen, it was inevitable. We're testing at a rate that is triple most other countries. It's past time to get back to living life. Let people make their own choices regarding they and their family's safety. No one is forcing parents to send their kids back to school in the fall just as no one is forcing people to go to a ballgame. Most administrators I've talked to have plans in place to handle any type of situation. If you want to hole your kid up for the rest of time, then I'm sure the school will be more than accommodating towards distance learning.

Places that have mandatory mask orders have had caseloads shrink 25%, Those without mandatory mask orders are up 85%...

Seems like you are in the "cannot follow basic instructions" Group.