NASCAR Releases Noose Photo

[ShotgunDawg]

This is a noose.

I think the situation just ended up being a wash. I completely understand why Wallace & others were offended & thank goodness it wasn't put there in hate.

Time to move on

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[ScoobaDawg]

Not that simple. someone did this last year.. not deliberatly for Wallace.. but it's the only one like that at any track in america per nascar.


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NASCAR president Steve Phelps says its own investigation has been completed. "In hindsight, I should have used the word alleged." But says the noose was real and the concern for Bubba Wallace was real. That was the only rope in the garage tied this way.
NASCAR says it investigated how the noose got there in the first place. It was tied sometime during the October 2019 race weekend, but NASCAR was unable to determine who did it. It asked all 29 tracks to look for other nooses this week and this was the only one found.
NASCAR president Steve Phelps says he takes "full responsibility" for the wording being wrong. Felt a driver had been threatened and it was on NASCAR to react and investigate. Says to suggest Bubba Wallace was in any way involved is offensive.
If the noose was there since last October, why didn't anyone report it until now? NASCAR's Phelps says that's a problem. "Odds are someone saw it and didn't react negatively to it. We need to make sure that doesn't happen in the future. We need to do better as an industry."
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[Political Hack]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

[Commercecomet24]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

Dang Hack feeling a little sporty today are you, lol? Seriously though what has happened to the middle ground? I feel strongly about issues on both sides. If we as a country don't learn to meet in the middle and quit drawing lines in the sand our problems will only escalate. I pray that we learn respect for each other again.

[ScoobaDawg]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

As i mentioned above. It's a noose. agree. and the only one in any race car track garage in america. It's been there since last October.
Was wallace assigned to that stall on purpose by someone? Possibly? who knows...

It should never have been there.

[smootness]

As i mentioned above. It's a noose. agree. and the only one in any race car track garage in america. It's been there since last October.
Was wallace assigned to that stall on purpose by someone? Possibly? who knows...

It should never have been there.

No, stalls are assigned by where you place. That's why they could confidently say it wasn't done on purpose.

That said, that is clearly meant to look like a noose. I doubt it was done for any ill purpose and I don't think it's a huge deal knowing it's been there so long, but it shouldn't be there and I don't blame Wallace or NASCAR at all for looking into it and taking it very seriously.

[Rex54]

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

This is true. Sadly there aren't many normal Americans left. There will be a blue wave in November.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose..

Well.... I'm sorta kinda a lil bit of a Trump supporter & I called it a noose

[Lord McBuckethead]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

Nice. And you are correct. I am a democrat and agree with this statement. Only thing I would add, the leadership has spent the last 16 years under a propaganda attack, so I am not so sure they are soooo far left, but they certainly are not center.

[SheltonChoked]

No, stalls are assigned by where you place. That's why they could confidently say it wasn't done on purpose.

That said, that is clearly meant to look like a noose. I doubt it was done for any ill purpose and I don't think it's a huge deal knowing it's been there so long, but it shouldn't be there and I don't blame Wallace or NASCAR at all for looking into it and taking it very seriously.

My guess is whoever tied it was bored and just 17'in around.

But it is a noose, and I'm glad it was not done in hate towards Wallace.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Also, that is a damn noose.

[SheltonChoked]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

We need that Bull Moose Party more than ever....

[Lord McBuckethead]

My guess is whoever tied it was bored and just 17'in around.

But it is a noose, and I'm glad it was not done in hate towards Wallace.

Me too. I am really glad it wasn't done with ill intentions.

[DownwardDawg]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

Way to go straight political there bud. Straight to the bottom.
Let’s see how long it takes ScoobaDawg to close this thread once a conservative argues with you.

[DownwardDawg]

Dang Hack feeling a little sporty today are you, lol? Seriously though what has happened to the middle ground? I feel strongly about issues on both sides. If we as a country don't learn to meet in the middle and quit drawing lines in the sand our problems will only escalate. I pray that we learn respect for each other again.

If you’re not a total liberal, you are a trumptard racist. That’s how it works now. Those of us “middle ground conservatives” are terrible humans in this new America.

[Commercecomet24]

If you?re not a total liberal, you are a trumptard racist. That?s how it works now. Those of us ?middle ground conservatives? are terrible humans in this new America.

I honestly believe the majority of Americans are middle ground but unfortunately the media only portrays the extreme elements on both sides. People like me and you, Downward don't sell on the tv or internet.

[DownwardDawg]

I honestly believe the majority of Americans are middle ground but unfortunately the media only portrays the extreme elements on both sides. Me and people like us Downward don't sell on the tv or internet.

I’m with you 100% brother.

[Rex54]

I honestly believe the majority of Americans are middle ground.

That's where you are wrong. The base of both parties thinks their group isn't going hard enough. The left is obviously insane totalitarians as on full display the last month and the right never gets anything they want because there is only one party in DC, the Uniparty, and they serve the Fortune 500.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If you’re not a total liberal, you are a trumptard racist. That’s how it works now. Those of us “middle ground conservatives” are terrible humans in this new America.

That's not true at all. I would love Middle Ground Conservatives to start lifting their voices. Unfortunately they have kept really quite for a long time.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That's where you are wrong. The base of both parties thinks their group isn't going hard enough. The left is obviously insane totalitarians as on full display the last month and the right never gets anything they want because there is only one party in DC, the Uniparty, and they serve the Fortune 500.

What? You are out of your mind. Total conspiracy nutjob.

[ScoobaDawg]

Way to go straight political there bud. Straight to the bottom.
Let’s see how long it takes ScoobaDawg to close this thread once a conservative argues with you.



Welcome back... that's not...exactly... how this works though. but Ok.

[SheltonChoked]

This is true. Sadly there aren't many normal Americans left. There will be a blue wave in November.

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Noose.

[SheltonChoked]

That's where you are wrong. The base of both parties thinks their group isn't going hard enough. The left is obviously insane totalitarians as on full display the last month and the right never gets anything they want because there is only one party in DC, the Uniparty, and they serve the Fortune 500.

The Left are insane Totalitarians????


And Rex, you told us yesterday you wanted: To cap personal net worth at $29 million, Limit yearly income to $1 million a year, give every American $20,000 a year in guaranteed income, Give every family $230,000 for housing, and Free College for all.

Who is to the "left" of all that???

[confucius say]

Can easily see why the Wallace team member reported that. I've never seen a real hangman's noose, but that looks like one you would see on tv for sure.

The only screw up here was by nascar. You don't release a statement Sunday calling it hate filled and a "heinous act" for which whomever is found responsible will be kicked out of nascar, and then say now we will conduct an investigation. That painted the narrative that it was a hate crime and directed at Wallace before any investigation took place. You say we are aware of it and are launching an investigation. Always get the facts first.

[Commercecomet24]

Can easily see why the Wallace team member reported that. I've never seen a real hangman's noose, but that looks like one you would see on tv for sure.

The only screw up here was by nascar. You don't release a statement Sunday calling it hate filled and a "heinous act" for which whomever is found responsible will be kicked out of nascar, and then say now we will conduct an investigation. That painted the narrative that it was a hate crime and directed at Wallace before any investigation took place. You say we are aware of it and are launching an investigation. Always get the facts first.

This. Everyone so ready to rush to judgement now before any real facts are ever known.

[SPMT]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

Agree 100%

[Leroy Jenkins]

One side of the spectrum is looking for a hot take, the other side is looking for reasons to be offended. The 80% in the middle aren't that vocal, because the are capable of independent thought. Normal is not sexy when there are so many competing media platforms vying for your attention.

[Irondawg]

Where are the guys who were talking about the different kinds of knots because I know nothing about them. I know a noose is some form of slip knot that would have be redone after each use and the other is some kind of boat knot that does have the appearance of a noose, but functions differently. I don't know why anyone would have retied the garage pull cord but it could be as simple as someone just used a knot they use for other purposes and gave zero % thought that it looked like a noose.

Given all the randomness to this whole thing I think it's very likely this was just a random series of events that unfolded in an unfortunate way

[DownwardDawg]

That's not true at all. I would love Middle Ground Conservatives to start lifting their voices. Unfortunately they have kept really quite for a long time.

And I would love to see some middle ground Democrats stand up against the anarchy that the far left are pushing on this country.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can easily see why the Wallace team member reported that. I've never seen a real hangman's noose, but that looks like one you would see on tv for sure.

The only screw up here was by nascar. You don't release a statement Sunday calling it hate filled and a "heinous act" for which whomever is found responsible will be kicked out of nascar, and then say now we will conduct an investigation. That painted the narrative that it was a hate crime and directed at Wallace before any investigation took place. You say we are aware of it and are launching an investigation. Always get the facts first.

They were investigating who tied the noose. We can all agree that it was a noose, clear as day. Given the atmosphere in which this story was made public, I feel NASCAR handled this about at well as I have seen. The narrative they established was clear that these actions were not going to be tolerated, period. That is what it takes. Now they also released an appropriate statement with the appropriate position based no the facts, but I agree with their method of setting the tone early. Shit guys, you see how much bullshit this country goes through on wearing a mask, because the President of the United States isn't setting the tone. Just imagine the blow back NASCAR would have justifiably seen if they were as wishy washy.

So I totally disagree with you. NASCAR did their job. There really wasn't a screw up by NASCAR, the media, Bubba Wallace, or really anyone else. You work off the information you have in hand in the context it was gained. Monday morning qBing this thing is, well kind of rich.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And I would love to see some middle ground Democrats stand up against the anarchy that the far left are pushing on this country.

Are you forgetting that we just held a primary? Democrats have done their job, by picking basically a middle candidate. Biden is about as middle as they come. Although I would have gone Klobachar if it were me.
When was the last time Republicans picked a middle of the road guy. I would argue it was Mitt, but before that maybe HW.

Republicans had a shot at a true middle guy, Casich (sp) from Ohio. Primaries happened, and he faded fast.

So we had a choice between Biden, Sanders, Warren, Yang, Klobachar, and others. Biden is way more center than all of them.
So to answer you, we have spoken up. The issue we face is now bringing in the Warren and Sanders people. It shoudn't be that tough, but I didn't think it would have been tough in 2016.

[HaggardDawg]

A noose would cinch down tight on your hand if that rope is used as a door pull. I doesn't make any sense to tie it in a noose knot when that would defeat the purpose of the rope and someone would have fixed it within the past year. Did that loop serve a purpose is the question. Maybe when the door is shut you have to reach up to grab it with a hook or something. There's got to be a logical explanation for it.

[confucius say]

They were investigating who tied the noose. We can all agree that it was a noose, clear as day. Given the atmosphere in which this story was made public, I feel NASCAR handled this about at well as I have seen. The narrative they established was clear that these actions were not going to be tolerated, period. That is what it takes. Now they also released an appropriate statement with the appropriate position based no the facts, but I agree with their method of setting the tone early. Shit guys, you see how much bullshit this country goes through on wearing a mask, because the President of the United States isn't setting the tone. Just imagine the blow back NASCAR would have justifiably seen if they were as wishy washy.

So I totally disagree with you. NASCAR did their job. There really wasn't a screw up by NASCAR, the media, Bubba Wallace, or really anyone else. You work off the information you have in hand in the context it was gained. Monday morning qBing this thing is, well kind of rich.

1. Nascar wasn't "investigating who tied the noose" at the time they issued the statement. It admits that.

2. NASCAR disagrees with you. It is apologizing today for jumping to conclusions and for the way it worded its statement Sunday, specifically not using the word alleged and for its accusatory tone. As it should, seeing as though they admittedly denounced the act as heinous and hateful BEFORE launching any kind of investigation. Get the facts first.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And I would love to see some middle ground Democrats stand up against the anarchy that the far left are pushing on this country.

I don't see really much about anarchy out there. Most of the issues surrounding Trump stem from maybe 2 or 3 major flaws he has that most politicians do not have.
1st - He has way way way too many financial stakes in emerging markets. He will not release his tax information. He will not set aside running his companies officially and even if he did, I am sure the man can multitask.
2nd - He and even his extended family have been in gigantic financial debt. Even local law enforcement, federal law enforcement, and pretty much every other position high up has stipulations about the ability to be compromised by said debts.
3rd - He continues to work outside the official channels of his own administration. From Manafort all the way to Gulliani. His back dealing with countries is very questionable from every angle, but especially because of the circumstances of his slight 70k vote win in 3 key states and the amount of social media flooding done by Russia.
4th - The majority of voters didn't vote for this guy. I hate it for him, but his victory has been really hollow and the majority of the left will not let it go. just like he wouldn't let the bullshit birther stuff go, or he would let the hydroxyQ stuff go.

But what I always tell my left friends, Trump could win again, and guess what.... the sun will rise tomorrow. Obama wasn't the antichrist and he wasn't perfect, but he country did well under him and it will continue to do well under trump. Either way, I will wake up and go to work, being the bad ass mother 17er I am.

[Lord McBuckethead]

1. Nascar wasn't "investigating who tied the noose" at the time they issued the statement. It admits that.

2. NASCAR disagrees with you. It is apologizing today for jumping to conclusions and for the way it worded its statement Sunday. As it should, seeing as though they admittedly denounced the act as heinous and hateful BEFORE launching any kind of investigation.

Yeah, but they did set a tone. The correct tone, I might add. Also that doesn't mean they didn't handle it exactly the correct way which I still say they did. So they are walking back their rhetoric now, they had the correct position at the time.

[Lord McBuckethead]

1. Nascar wasn't "investigating who tied the noose" at the time they issued the statement. It admits that.

2. NASCAR disagrees with you. It is apologizing today for jumping to conclusions and for the way it worded its statement Sunday, specifically not using the word alleged and for its accusatory tone. As it should, seeing as though they admittedly denounced the act as heinous and hateful BEFORE launching any kind of investigation. Get the facts first.

1. No it does not admit they hadn't started the investigation. Just says that the words chosen to the public should have been alleged and not more finite terms they used.
2. NASCAR is just doing the classic, man I am glad that wasn't such and such. Happens at the end of every circumstance that was proven otherwise. Every single one.

I still see absolutely nothing wrong with how they handled this. Not a single thing. At least now, people are on notice on how NASCAR feels about this type of scenario. And it helped their image. Win, Win, and Win.

[Lord McBuckethead]

A noose would cinch down tight on your hand if that rope is used as a door pull. I doesn't make any sense to tie it in a noose knot when that would defeat the purpose of the rope and someone would have fixed it within the past year. Did that loop serve a purpose is the question. Maybe when the door is shut you have to reach up to grab it with a hook or something. There's got to be a logical explanation for it.

Well it doesn't appear to be tied correctly anyway. I believe a noose has 13 loops. so maybe it doesn't slide and works perfectly for grabbing it above you head.

[confucius say]

Yeah, but they did set a tone. The correct tone, I might add. Also that doesn't mean they didn't handle it exactly the correct way which I still say they did. So they are walking back their rhetoric now, they had the correct position at the time.

They specifically apologized for their tone today.

[Rex54]

A noose would cinch down tight on your hand if that rope is used as a door pull. I doesn't make any sense to tie it in a noose knot when that would defeat the purpose of the rope
You're talking to a gaggle of morons whose only likely experience with the Boy Scouts is pushing for "inclusive" scout leaders.

[Commercecomet24]

One side of the spectrum is looking for a hot take, the other side is looking for reasons to be offended. The 80% in the middle aren't that vocal, because the are capable of independent thought. Normal is not sexy when there are so many competing media platforms vying for your attention.

Yep. Well said!

[confucius say]

1. No it does not admit they hadn't started the investigation. Just says that the words chosen to the public should have been alleged and not more finite terms they used.
2. NASCAR is just doing the classic, man I am glad that wasn't such and such. Happens at the end of every circumstance that was proven otherwise. Every single one.

I still see absolutely nothing wrong with how they handled this. Not a single thing. At least now, people are on notice on how NASCAR feels about this type of scenario. And it helped their image. Win, Win, and Win.

1. Go read their Sunday statement where they called the act heinous, disavowed it as having no place in nascar, and described it as an act of racism while also saying they are launching an investigation to find out who was responsible and "eliminate them from nascar." They made that statement with zero results from any investigation, assuming it was an act of racism by a member of nascar. That is horrible leadership.

2. If you see nothing wrong with it, then you are by definition in favor of issuing a definitive statement as to the motive behind an act, calling someone in your sport a racist, before knowing the facts. Nascar messed up and that is why it is apologizing.

[DownwardDawg]

1. Go read their Sunday statement where they called the act heinous, disavowed it as having no place in nascar, and described it as an act of racism while also saying they are launching an investigation to find out who was responsible and "eliminate them from nascar." They made that statement with zero results from any investigation, assuming it was an act of racism by a member of nascar. That is horrible leadership.

2. If you see nothing wrong with it, then you are by definition in favor of issuing a definitive statement as to the motive behind an act, calling someone in your sport a racist, before knowing the facts. Nascar messed up and that is why it is apologizing.

Yep. And now I'm back to not watching anymore. It was fun for a minute. Sports are becoming difficult to enjoy.

[Commercecomet24]

1. Go read their Sunday statement where they called the act heinous, disavowed it as having no place in nascar, and described it as an act of racism while also saying they are launching an investigation to find out who was responsible and "eliminate them from nascar." They made that statement with zero results from any investigation, assuming it was an act of racism by a member of nascar. That is horrible leadership.

2. If you see nothing wrong with it, then you are by definition in favor of issuing a definitive statement as to the motive behind an act, calling someone in your sport a racist, before knowing the facts. Nascar messed up and that is why it is apologizing.

Yeah making statements before you know facts especially in this charged environment only fans the hate flames. People are to quick to react now instead of getting answers that's a huge part of the problem.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dude, they found a noose hanging in their only black drivers pit area the same week they have publicly spoken out against the Confederate flag in a sport where the confederate flag might as well be their unofficial fan logo.

Your comments assume nothing of the sort is going on in both Nascar and society. Again, for this noose to be there since last October, no one report it, and it shows up in the randomly assigned pit station is damn near astronomical.

Good for NASCAR. They have cemented their stance on racially charged situations inside their events. It goes further to strengthen their resolve when it comes to fans flying the racist flag. I do not fault them for coming out strong. I wish Mississippi legislature would too.

[PMDawg]

All the white drivers had a regular pull cord and Bubba had that. I'm sure Trump supporters think it's a pull cord, but that's a noose. Also, the Coronavirus is not a Democrat hoax. Separation of powers and executive oversight is a real thing. Obstruction of justice does exist. And climate change is real.

Dems - despite all this, your party leaders suck and are so far left normal Americans can't identify with them.

Ready. Set. Argue.

This is exactly why I have made 2 requests for the mods to delete my account. Sports have become too politicized, leading to sports message boards becoming nothing but political. If I wanted politics, I would join a political forum, not a sports forum.

I know there will be snowflake jokes, and no one is going to miss me - but I'm legit trying to break the addiction to all sports and I'm definitely pulling my donations this year. I'm not saying I agree with Hack, or disagree with him. I'm just saying I don't want to be a part of, or have to wade through the pissing matches that all of you are creating.

Once upon a time, there was a strict rule against this type of crap. The mods should have actually enforced it. But whatever. You guys have fun arguing in circles.

[BB30]

This is exactly why I have made 2 requests for the mods to delete my account. Sports have become too politicized, leading to sports message boards becoming nothing but political. If I wanted politics, I would join a political forum, not a sports forum.

I know there will be snowflake jokes, and no one is going to miss me - but I'm legit trying to break the addiction to all sports and I'm definitely pulling my donations this year. I'm not saying I agree with Hack, or disagree with him. I'm just saying I don't want to be a part of, or have to wade through the pissing matches that all of you are creating.

Once upon a time, there was a strict rule against this type of crap. The mods should have actually enforced it. But whatever. You guys have fun arguing in circles.

Yep, it has gotten pretty rough around here. It has been way worse than shotguns rants after a loss during any season ha. I would give anything to be waking up to one of his sports rants instead of all of this nonsense.

It appears as though we are just going in circles. Nobody here is willing to have open dialogue without throwing out insults and nobody here is going to be changing their opinion on things so it really is pointless. Mods should get back to getting politics off of the board.

I know there isn't much else to talk about right now but we could certainly find something to discuss that is related to State sports.

[dantheman4248]

Welcome back... that's not...exactly... how this works though. but Ok.

That's not the one you banned. You only banned me and dawgfan77. Extendedcab and downwarddawg were left alone.