Dan Wolken

[Duckdog]

is a huge douchebag fyi

[FISHDAWG]

is a huge douchebag fyi

OM has been trying to tell us that for a few years now ... that's the only thing they got right in their entire history

[BeardoMSU]

What did he do now?

[ShotgunDawg]

What did he do now?

Attacking Gundy for wearing a right wing T shirt.

I'm so sick of politics.

The innate problem here with all this garbage is that by chastising people's opinions that you don't agree with, you prevent conversation, which prevents society's problems from being solved.

Again, I'm in no way taking a political side, but as I've said before about Wolken, what progress is made in society, it will absolutely not happen by chastising the people that have opinions that you don't agree with.

We all have different life experiences that have shaped the way we see the world & just because we are unable to understand someone else's life experience, doesn't mean that they're wrong. It just means that their life experiences have not allowed them to understand what you believe.

Therefore, it's pertinent that conversation & discussion happen on a consistent basis both ways & without judgement. That's the only way change happens without blood shed.

Cancel culture refuses to do that &, regardless of your political stances, that's a huge huge problem.

[bluelightstar]

Wolken is the least of OSU's problems

[Duckdog]

He wants Gundy fired because of his beliefs. Like I said he's a douche

[BeardoMSU]

Attacking Gundy for wearing a right wing T shirt.

I'm so sick of politics.

Ah. I see it now.

To be fair, OAN is absolutely bat shit. I don't even consider it "right wing", either...as that would be Fox, Daily Wire, The Hill, etc. Putting OAN in that category, does a disservice to actual conservative media. That shit is literally a cesspool of conspiracy theory and sycophantic grifters (with a dash of antisemitism thrown in, too).

[ShotgunDawg]

He wants Gundy fired because of his beliefs. Like I said he's a douche

He picks out a new coach to chastise each week. It's sad.

What people don't realize is that politics are not a pendulum, they are a circle in which, at the extremes, the two sides become far more alike than different. What's the difference between Stalin & Hitler? On paper one was far left & the other far right, but reality, they were just about the same damn person.

Stop extremism both ways. Understand the other side

[VandelayIndustries]

Chuba Hubbard is threatening to sit out because of Gundy wearing an OANN t shirt. This s**t is laughable

[ShotgunDawg]

Ah. I see it now.

To be fair, OAN is absolutely bat shit. I don't even consider it "right wing", either...as that would be Fox, Daily Wire, The Hill, etc. Putting OAN in that category, does a disservice to actual conservative media. That shit is literally a cesspool of conspiracy theory and sycophantic grifters (with a dash of antisemitism thrown in, too).

Regardless, it doesn't help to chastise people that differing, peaceful opinions. It helps in absolutely no way.

[BeardoMSU]

He wants Gundy fired because of his beliefs. Like I said he's a douche

Maybe I'm not seeing it, and please correct me if so, but I'm only seeing Wolken retweet current and former OSU players/peeps commenting on the Gundy photo; I would hardly call that "wanting him fired" or trying to spearhead it.

[Tripp McNeely]

Soooo....does Okie State have any WRs that we could poach? ...I?ll hang up and listen

[BeardoMSU]

Regardless, it doesn't help to chastise people that differing, peaceful opinions. It helps in absolutely no way.

Don't disagree. Twitter is the ****ing worst.

[Pipedream]

Attacking Gundy for wearing a right wing T shirt.

I'm so sick of politics.

The innate problem here with all this garbage is that by chastising people's opinions that you don't agree with, you prevent conversation, which prevents society's problems from being solved.

Again, I'm in no way taking a political side, but as I've said before about Wolken, what progress is made in society, it will absolutely not happen by chastising the people that have opinions that you don't agree with.

We all have different life experiences that have shaped the way we see the world & just because we are unable to understand someone else's life experience, doesn't mean that they're wrong. It just means that their life experiences have not allowed them to understand what you believe.

Therefore, it's pertinent that conversation & discussion happen on a consistent basis both ways & without judgement. That's the only way change happens without blood shed.

Cancel culture refuses to do that &, regardless of your political stances, that's a huge huge problem.

Some stances/POV are worthy of discussion and others aren't worthy of being brought into respectful conversation. I understand that's a steep line to cross, but OAN is so up against the 3rd rail it's disgusting. They have a laundry list of perverse and deceitful coverage. Anyone supporting of a "news" outlet like that isn't worthy of such respectful discourse. Just last week they had an anchor/reporter refuting an on site report from the riots about DJT. That reporter had previously been known to work for Russian state run media. That's just the start of it. They ran multiple pizza gate stories, covered up sexual assault cases, etc. It's horrifying. This isn't "politics" as it is normally defined in American. This is harmful to society and the intelligence of Americans. I'd urge you to research them.

[Cowbell]

Grundy is a grown man and doesn't take crap off wantabies. He is twice the man a lot of these sleezeball coaches are nowadays. Good for him for doing what he wants and that's a guy that backs his players from pricks like Wolken. Remember, he's 40.

[Todd4State]

Soooo....does Okie State have any WRs that we could poach? ...I?ll hang up and listen

Or defensive backs?

[Johnson85]

He picks out a new coach to chastise each week. It's sad.

What people don't realize is that politics are not a pendulum, they are a circle in which, at the extremes, the two sides become far more alike than different. What's the difference between Stalin & Hitler? On paper one was far left & the other far right, but reality, they were just about the same damn person.

Stop extremism both ways. Understand the other side

??? One was the head of a communist party and one was the head of a socialist party. Neither was on the right.

The reason some extremes seem the same is that there are lots of different things to care about in policy/politics and it would be shocking for them to align on the same axis consistently. Left and right only makes sense at all b/c we have a system set up for dominance by two political parties, and we have linked policies b/c of political realities and started to view them as logically linked because of tribalism.

For example, there is no logical reason that how a person feels about unions would be particularly predictive of how they feel about abortion. But it is because people pick parties based on an issue or two they care about and then align their views on things they don't care as much about based on what the "good people" believe. Or they entirely skip the step where they decide what they care about, and just latch on to a group they have affiliation for for one reason or another and match their views to theirs.

[maroonmania]

Regardless, it doesn't help to chastise people that differing, peaceful opinions. It helps in absolutely no way.

Sounds like liberals in this country are turning into total fascists where you aren't allowed to have a differing opinion than them. I don't remember conservatives ever getting to the point where they refuse to be around, work with or socialize with any liberal. There is a whole multitude of Trump supporters out there that are scared out of their minds to publicly say they are because of all the backlash they would receive if people around them knew.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

He picks out a new coach to chastise each week. It's sad.

What people don't realize is that politics are not a pendulum, they are a circle in which, at the extremes, the two sides become far more alike than different. What's the difference between Stalin & Hitler? On paper one was far left & the other far right, but reality, they were just about the same damn person.

Stop extremism both ways. Understand the other side
Both Stalin and Hitler were far left....neither Communism or Facism are right wing traits...

[bulldawg28]

Or defensive backs?

Heck no. The only decent DB's in that conference play for Texas and Okl.....nah. Maybe Texas.

[Todd4State]

The real problem is the media that fuels all the outrage. Until Americans realize this and shut them down completely and force them to report on things fairly both left and right it will not change.

[ShotgunDawg]

The real problem is the media that fuels all the outrage. Until Americans realize this and shut them down completely and force them to report on things fairly both left and right it will not change.

Agree. Social media has it’s benefits but I fear it will ruin society.

[AROB44]

Both Stalin and Hitler were far left....neither Communism or Facism are right wing traits...

Actually according to a class I took at MSU in the mid 60's on economic systems, facism is the extreme right and communism is the extreme left. They actually end up pretty close, but that's what I was taught in the course. Really interesting course on all the various economic systems. Did not get into politics.

[HailStateSZN19]

Soooo....does Okie State have any WRs that we could poach? ...I?ll hang up and listen

Tylan Wallace will be a Senior & is one of the best WR's in the country. Caught like 53 balls for 900 yds and 8 TD's last year. Super shifty guy who can go up and get it too. He'll be one of the first WR's drafted I'm sure.

Had another dude, Dillon Stoner I think is his name, caught like 52 balls for 600 yds and 5 TD's. I'd seriously tell someone to take a hike to make a spot for either of those guys lol.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Actually according to a class I took at MSU in the mid 60's on economic systems, facism is the extreme right and communism is the extreme left. They actually end up pretty close, but that's what I was taught in the course. Really interesting course on all the various economic systems. Did not get into politics.

The left supports the principles of taking out the weak (abortion and euthanasia) and keeping the poor down(welfare and social programs that destroyed the Black Middle Class in the 60s).... sounds a lot like Hitler to me....also it wasn?t the right that was against integration....it was the Democrats

[BeardoMSU]

The left supports the principles of taking out the weak (abortion and euthanasia) and keeping the poor down(welfare and social programs that destroyed the Black Middle Class in the 60?s).... sounds a lot like Hitler to me.

Jesus Christ, can you please not do your best to get this thread locked.

[Maroonthirteen]

Gundy will come back groveling at the players feet. Then he will get the Drew Brees treatment a day or two.

What will be interesting is how all this affects the decision of Joe Average Fan. We may never know because of covid and that may be a good thing. But that's a big deal canceling the Eyes of Texas, for Texas fans.

Also it will be interesting come August if our flag isn't changed.

[HailStateSZN19]

https://twitter.com/hubbard_rmn/status/1272673812795084801?s=21

[Todd4State]

Gundy will come back groveling at the players feet. Then he will get the Drew Brees treatment a day or two.

What will be interesting is how all this affects the decision of Joe Average Fan. We may never know because of covid and that may be a good thing. But that's a big deal canceling the Eyes of Texas, for Texas fans.

Also it will be interesting come August if our flag isn't changed.

I supported Cohen as baseball coach and AD despite his political views. I support Leach who has the opposite views as Cohen. I don't care what our coaches believe politically as long as they do a good job for MSU. Sports and politics should be separate. I can't wait for sports to start back again so the two can be separated more.

[Todd4State]

https://twitter.com/hubbard_rmn/status/1272673812795084801?s=21

Good for both of them.

[BeardoMSU]

I supported Cohen as baseball coach and AD despite his political views. I support Leach who has the opposite views as Cohen. I don't care what our coaches believe politically as long as they do a good job for MSU. Sports and politics should be separate. I can't wait for sports to start back again so the two can be separated more.

Exactly this.

[BiscuitEater]

Ah. I see it now. That shit is literally a cesspool of conspiracy theory and sycophantic grifters (with a dash of antisemitism thrown in, too).

You substitute a word and that would be CNN. They 'lived' off 3+ years of a totally fake Russian hoax.

[TUSK]

I am in.

[Maroonthirteen]

I don't believe sports and political/social issues will ever separated again. Espn, social media give athletes the platform. Also as some writer said on Finebaum today, athletes have the leverage to speak up.

[MaroonFlounder]

Jesus Christ, can you please not do your best to get this thread locked.

Be honest, you got political yourself.

I've seen very little anti Semitic within conservative media. The other side has the market cornered on that if we are being honest.

[BeardoMSU]

Be honest, you got political yourself.

No I didn't. I called out OAN. Those people aren't conservative; they're something else.


I've seen very little anti Semitic within conservative media. The other side has the market cornered on that if we are being honest.

Lol, I didn't say "conservative media" was delving in antisemitic conspiracy theories; I said OAN was. I even went as far as distinguishing the difference between more respectable "conservative media" and the likes of OAN. There are plenty of conservative media types I not only read for info, but whose opinions I respect (even when I disagree with them, which is often). OAN is trash.

[ScoobaDawg]

Jesus Christ, can you please not do your best to get this thread locked.

Sports badly need to come back. Something.
I can either delete his post or lock the thread if people respond to it. We have let a lot of straight shit throwing by people with Noone willing to truly discuss points. The US is so polarized.. Especially with a predominantly slant to one mindset.

This is not a board for politics once again.
So many more things can be discussed about this situation than more mud slinging.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

If Tony Hughes went fishing on his personal time, and was photographed wearing a Huffington Post t-shirt, it wouldn't bother me. And if a white player stirred the crap about it, I would think said player was a moron.

[BeardoMSU]

If Tony Hughes went fishing on his personal time, and was photographed wearing a Huffington Post t-shirt, it wouldn't bother me. And if a white player stirred the crap about it, I would think said player was a moron.

That's the thing, though, you're equating Huff Post and OAN as media equals, which is hilarious. I don't care how much you despise Huff Post, or consider them liberal hacks who are full of shit...and that's perfectly fine. Huff Post has their fair share of hacks, as does every network/media entity. I could share similar feelings about certain talking heads on the right, such as a Sean Hannity or Glen Beck, but even on their worst days (and there are a lot of 'em), I wouldn't lower them to the likes of OAN. That's what you're not getting. Apples and bowling balls.

[MaroonFlounder]

I am confused about OAN. I've never watched it. It's not available from the cable outlet in my area. I only know of it thru reading a couple of Twitter profiles of corespondents whom I thought were conservative. That said, even Coach Grundy seems to be confused about it, and there's something deeper at play between he and Chuba.

[BeardoMSU]

I am confused about OAN. I've never watched it. It's not available from the cable outlet in my area. I only know of it thru reading a couple of Twitter profiles of corespondents whom I thought were conservative. That said, even Coach Grundy seems to be confused about it, and there's something deeper at play between he and Chuba.

The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.

[BeardoMSU]

Sports badly need to come back.

THIS x100^

Tomorrow is my birthday, and a year ago tomorrow night, I was watching our comeback game vs Auburn in OMAHA. Please, God, bring back sports...

[ScoobaDawg]

THIS x100^

Tomorrow is my birthday, and a year ago tomorrow night, I was watching our comeback game vs Auburn in OMAHA. Please, God, bring back sports...

Saturday is mine. Cheers
I don't even care about NBA, but bring it on.

[BeardoMSU]

Cheers

And to you, sir.

https://media.giphy.com/media/M0EStXvkjbLMc/giphy.gif

[Todd4State]

I don't believe sports and political/social issues will ever separated again. Espn, social media give athletes the platform. Also as some writer said on Finebaum today, athletes have the leverage to speak up.

The thing about that is I think some of them won't because if you "say the wrong thing" you could end like Drew Brees. On the other side you could also end up like Colin Kaepernick.

So IMO in general like a lot of things it's typically better to keep it to yourself no matter what you believe.

And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".

Now ESPN will certainly try to keep politics in the forefront but they're incredibly out of touch with their audience. A lot of sports fans don't care what Lebron thinks about this or that. And the NFL draft was hilarious with how they somehow found some hardship that each player had to go through. All I want from ESPN is the score and highlights. If I want politics I'll watch CNN, Fox News, or whatever.

[Quaoarsking]

??? One was the head of a communist party and one was the head of a socialist party. Neither was on the right.

If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_EnpxtoUw&t=302s

[dawgday166]

Attacking Gundy for wearing a right wing T shirt.

I'm so sick of politics.

The innate problem here with all this garbage is that by chastising people's opinions that you don't agree with, you prevent conversation, which prevents society's problems from being solved.

Again, I'm in no way taking a political side, but as I've said before about Wolken, what progress is made in society, it will absolutely not happen by chastising the people that have opinions that you don't agree with.

We all have different life experiences that have shaped the way we see the world & just because we are unable to understand someone else's life experience, doesn't mean that they're wrong. It just means that their life experiences have not allowed them to understand what you believe.

Therefore, it's pertinent that conversation & discussion happen on a consistent basis both ways & without judgement. That's the only way change happens without blood shed.

Cancel culture refuses to do that &, regardless of your political stances, that's a huge huge problem.

Damn Gun .. damn good post here.

[dawgday166]

The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.

Interesting that you said that. Longer and more puzzling answer is below.

Dr. Alveda King, the niece of MLK, and another King lady that leads the King foundation if I remember correctly, were recently on OAN talking about how much Trump has done for the black community with criminal justice reform and opportunity zones so blacks can have school choice. Dr. Alveda said the dream MLK had has come back alive because of Trump. She also went on to say she doesn't understand why the left is trashing him so much about being racist cause he's done far more for blacks than Obama ever did. And OAN also showed how Trump historically has helped the black community many times in his life. Including sending a plane to pick up Nelson Mandela somewhere when he couldn't get a plane ride for some reason (can't remember all the specifics but they called Trump up to see if he'd help and ... he did).

Awww ... those 2 ladies probably ain't got a real clue about race relations. So I'm pretty sure you won't see either of them on CNN. CNN is the definitive news authority and Al Sharpton speaks for all the black community *****

I was really scratching my head over those interviews with the King ladies but now ... you've explained it and made so much sense doing so I'm sold that OAN is crap. I'll go back to CNN now *****

[msbulldog]

Saturday is mine. Cheers
I don't even care about NBA, but bring it on.

Happy Birthday to both of you!

[Jarius]

The thing about that is I think some of them won't because if you "say the wrong thing" you could end like Drew Brees. On the other side you could also end up like Colin Kaepernick.

So IMO in general like a lot of things it's typically better to keep it to yourself no matter what you believe.

And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".

Now ESPN will certainly try to keep politics in the forefront but they're incredibly out of touch with their audience. A lot of sports fans don't care what Lebron thinks about this or that. And the NFL draft was hilarious with how they somehow found some hardship that each player had to go through. All I want from ESPN is the score and highlights. If I want politics I'll watch CNN, Fox News, or whatever.

Yep. People that think the players have all the power are misguided. The fans pay the bills and the vast majority of the fans disagree with these players politically on just about every issue. The more that they shove it down the throat of the consumer the closer we are getting to a radical shift in viewership. ESPN has lost viewers on all of its shows due to injecting politics into their programming and the same thing will happen with the sports themselves if this path is continued.

[Johnson85]

If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_EnpxtoUw&t=302s
How could I forgot that the national socialists weren?t real socialists just like no communists have ever been real communists.

[ShotgunDawg]

No I didn't. I called out OAN. Those people aren't conservative; they're something else.



Lol, I didn't say "conservative media" was delving in antisemitic conspiracy theories; I said OAN was. I even went as far as distinguishing the difference between more respectable "conservative media" and the likes of OAN. There are plenty of conservative media types I not only read for info, but whose opinions I respect (even when I disagree with them, which is often). OAN is trash.

What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.

[ShotgunDawg]

That's the thing, though, you're equating Huff Post and OAN as media equals, which is hilarious. I don't care how much you despise Huff Post, or consider them liberal hacks who are full of shit...and that's perfectly fine. Huff Post has their fair share of hacks, as does every network/media entity. I could share similar feelings about certain talking heads on the right, such as a Sean Hannity or Glen Beck, but even on their worst days (and there are a lot of 'em), I wouldn't lower them to the likes of OAN. That's what you're not getting. Apples and bowling balls.

Again, this is your perspective. Stop making everyone else have the same one. See the problem here?

[ShotgunDawg]

The simple and short answer is...POTUS likes them because they say nice things (which he has said so himself), so they got WH press credentials, he and his peeps retweet their stories, etc.

I've never watched OAN, but have they said something openly racist to make you believe they are racist?

If so, can you provide an example?

[ShotgunDawg]

And because of that I don't really agree with that guy on ESPN that athletes totally have the "leverage to speak up".


And this the problem....

Cancel culture is doing it's damndest to prevent conversation when conversation is the only way to solve this. There is a growing silent majority that is scared of discussing these issues for the betterment of society because they are scared of getting cancelled because they don't hold the same opinion the canceller

[ShotgunDawg]

If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_EnpxtoUw&t=302s

I watched this a while back & got my opinion from here. The confusion over whether Hitler was socialist or fascist proves my point. At their extremes, they are the same. Intolerant & evil

[Quaoarsking]

How could I forgot that the national socialists weren?t real socialists just like no communists have ever been real communists.

That's ... not the argument anyone made. "National socialism" (or Nationalsozialismus) never aspired to be socialist, never considered themselves to be socialist, and it is very apparent in Hitler or any other leader's writing that they despised socialism and considered themselves to be the total opposite.

Just because the terms "socialism" and "National socialism" are similar doesn't mean they actually are similar. They are in fact very different. Hitler hated socialism. All of the Nazi leadership hated socialism. Modern neo-Nazis hate socialism. There isn't a country anywhere where neo-Nazis have any power, but literal fascists do hold some parliamentary seats in parts of Europe, and all of them hate socialism too.

This is all very well documented stuff, and Mein Kampf is public domain now, and if you're so inclined you can read it straight from Hitler's mouth which side of the political aisle he was on, and what he thought about socialism.

[Quaoarsking]

Again, this is your perspective. Stop making everyone else have the same one. See the problem here?

What's the point of a message board, if not to share and debate opinions?

[KOdawg1]

Screw MLB. They could be prime time sports during all of this, but they can't get it done and they're going to lose fans because of it.

NBA is starting to balk too.

[BeardoMSU]

What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.

Ok, fine. Perspective, I get it. I agree in spirit, but it's odd you admit to not knowing much about OAN, yet at the same time feel the need to defend them.

Let's say instead of an OAN shirt, it was something about Sandy Hook or 911 being an inside job, or about how vaccines cause autism, or how Jews control the world, or the earth being FLAT? Would you be defending his "perspectives" then with the same vigor?

[ShotgunDawg]

What's the point of a message board, if not to share and debate opinions?

Agree. Goes both ways.

[Quaoarsking]

Agree. Goes both ways.

... so Beardo makes his case, you make yours, and we're all good? I don't see what your complaint is.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ok, fine. Perspective, I get it. I agree in spirit, but it's odd you admit to not knowing much about OAN, yet at the same time feel the need to defend them.

Let's say instead of an OAN shirt, it was something about Sandy Hook or 911 being an inside job, or about how vaccines cause autism, or how Jews control the world, or the earth being FLAT? Would you be defending his "perspectives" then with the same vigor?

I had never heard of OAN before yesterday.

However, after reading around yesterday & watching some Youtube videos, here's what I know about OAN.

1. They are very conservative & blunt. I can see where they are insensitive. However, insensitive is in no way racist & furthermore, not everyone undestands what is insensitive & what is not.

2. I've seen nothing that insinuates that they are actually racist or clowns.

[ShotgunDawg]

... so Beardo makes his case, you make yours, and we're all good? I don't see what your complaint is.

I don't have a complaint. Just pointing out that Beardo's opinion that OAN is an unacceptable level or far right is completely based on his perspective & nothing more.

I'm against cancel culture & the far left, not liberals. I'm actually sympathetic to some liberal policies.

I just hate the idea of someone's career, name, or livelyhood being effected in anyway by their political beliefs so long as those beliefs are peaceful.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

What if Gundy doesn't see OAN like you do?

What if he only sees them as a channel that has similar opinions as himself & has no idea where that falls on the political scale?

I continue to hear from liberals that OAN is a far right channel, but that's from their perspective. What if a conservative doesn't see it that way?

The inability for either side of this to understand what it's like to walk a mile in another man's moccasins IS THE PROBLEM.


This is correct. I don' watch OAN, but from my perspective, CNN and MSNBC are mostly incoherent left wing propaganda- Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow especially. I have seen many people cite how far right and the countless conspiracies that OAN pushes, but have not been able to find much evidence of things they are saying that are clearly false. I know John Oliver did a segment about them, and I watch John Oliver most weeks (even though it's getting harder and harder), but like Shotgun said, John Oliver isn't the most credible source.

Can someone show me some examples of why OAN is a conspiracy pushing network? I know they are Pro Trump, but that's not what I am talking about.

[Maroonthirteen]

I purposely have not closely followed politics in the past. So I had never heard of OAN either, until yesterday. I watched an hour last night and some YouTube. I don't find it offensive at all.

I've seen more offensive things posted by our players on Twitter.

[Captain Falcon]

We are getting to a really scary spot as far as what is and isn't socially acceptable. For instance, you had a pretty prominent left wing media personality (blue check mark and over 300K followers on Twitter) tweeting things yesterday like "conservatives CANNOT be teachers, police officers, doctors, lawyers, coaches, or bosses because it's unfair for others to be subjected to their deranged judgment" and "having a conservative as a police officer isn't much different from having a KKK member as a police officer." Rational thought has gone way out the door.

I hope that Gundy and Hubbard have truly buried the hatchet and can move forward from this. It's a t shirt with a TV station on it... what are we doing people?

I sincerely hate to say this, but with the way things are going, I am concerned that the media is not done coming after Leach. All it takes is one disgruntled player or former player to say something and here comes the angry mob again, and Wolken will probably be leading the charge. And if that does happen I have very little faith in our administration to handle the situation correctly based on how they handled the infamous tweet a couple of months ago.

[Pipedream]

This is correct. I don' watch OAN, but from my perspective, CNN and MSNBC are mostly incoherent left wing propaganda- Don Lemon and Rachel Maddow especially. I have seen many people cite how far right and the countless conspiracies that OAN pushes, but have not been able to find much evidence of things they are saying that are clearly false. I know John Oliver did a segment about them, and I watch John Oliver most weeks (even though it's getting harder and harder), but like Shotgun said, John Oliver isn't the most credible source.

Can someone show me some examples of why OAN is a conspiracy pushing network? I know they are Pro Trump, but that's not what I am talking about.

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/apr/06/john-oliver-oan-one-america-news-fox-with-even-less-shame

[Duckdog]

Who gives a shit if its Alex Jones, infowars, AON? How does it effect his job? It doesnt! Maybe Im a Satanist does it matter? How about being atheist or maybe being gay. Thats what makes this country great is that it shouldnt matter. All these #woke people can get ****ed with their facist bullshit.

[TrapGame]

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/apr/06/john-oliver-oan-one-america-news-fox-with-even-less-shame

John Oliver is your go to on this?!! Really?!

Have you read John Podesta's leaked emails? Either that man is completely obsessed with eating pizza or it's code for something else. In fact, the FBI recognizes those "menu items" Podesta uses as code words used among child sex traffickers.

Maybe you need to go and read those emails, realize they make almost zero sense until you actually substitute the code word meaning to them.

[Pipedream]

John Oliver is your go to on this?!! Really?!

Have you read John Podesta's leaked emails? Either that man is completely obsessed with eating pizza or it's code for something else. In fact, the FBI recognizes those "menu items" Podesta uses as code words used among child sex traffickers.

Maybe you need to go and read those emails, realize they make almost zero sense until you actually substitute the code word meaning to them.

And this is precisely Olivers point at the end. When you don't have the requisite brain cells to realize that the idea of a host of congressman being involved in a child sex trafficking ring, you bite on this sort of sensationalist media conspiracy theories, thus allowing them to spew the garbage to the next person. It's a virus.

[TrapGame]

And this is precisely Olivers point at the end. When you don't have the requisite brain cells to realize that the idea of a host of congressman being involved in a child sex trafficking ring, you bite on this sort of sensationalist media conspiracy theories, thus allowing them to spew the garbage to the next person. It's a virus.

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.

[Pipedream]

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.

Okay man. You're clearly convinced. And that's the real issue at hand. News orgs like OAN reporting this sort of fringe outrageous bait to the public for people to consume and folks like yourself have ran with it. This is the problem when anyone uses the term "free market place for ideas". In the real free market if a biz/entity is this stupid it dies and is never heard from again. In the thought space, you can have such terrible reporting live on forever.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Do you know who Alex Jones is? Infowars? This is the cable news equivalent of that. Do you know what Pizza Gate is? They routinely reported it as if it were fact. They are not "far right conservative" on any objective spectrum. It's fringe lunacy. I know no one can agree on anything but it's akin to state run media. Here's some of their most recent work profiled by Oliver. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/apr/06/john-oliver-oan-one-america-news-fox-with-even-less-shame

I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

[dawgday166]

Oh, so it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone like Podesta to be involved in child sex trafficking?

My friend, the naivete is on you. Again, read the emails. Don't bury your head in the sand.

And this isn't republican vs democrat. They're are plenty of republicans who I'm sure have dirty hands on this issue. But, they protect each other.

Oh, and John Oliver is a pompous douchebag. And Alex Jones is nuttier than a fruit cake.


I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

Good posts right here. Don't know anything about the Podesta thing tho. And I just found out myself about OAN last week and just started watching it. So far I've liked it.

[TrapGame]

Okay man. You're clearly convinced. And that's the real issue at hand. News orgs like OAN reporting this sort of fringe outrageous bait to the public for people to consume and folks like yourself have ran with it. This is the problem when anyone uses the term "free market place for ideas". In the real free market if a biz/entity is this stupid it dies and is never heard from again. In the thought space, you can have such terrible reporting live on forever.

Convinced?

No. I'm just asking questions. We all need to ask questions.

No one talks about pizza, hotdogs, cheese, sauce, finding handkerchiefs (yeah, urban dictionary that one), flying in hotdogs and pizza parties at someone's home over 550 times in 2,000 emails.

You would have to own a pizzeria to be this obsessed with all things pizza.

[SheltonChoked]

If you think Hitler was a socialist, your grasp of history is not great. He put socialists in the concentration camps to die with the Jews, Gypsies, and the rest. He details exactly what he thinks of socialism in Mein Kampf.

Dan Carlin actually explains this much better than me in one of his podcasts:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_EnpxtoUw&t=302s

Don't confuse Johnson's arguments by using Facts. He doesn't.

[Pipedream]

I literally spoke about John Oliver in my original post. He is not news. He is satire, and I pretty much watch his show every week. I saw his bit about OAN, but he is so outlandish and so against Trump, that I will not take him as a credible source.

Link a OAN story that you feel is a conspiracy, or anti-whatever and let's watch it. I'm genuinely curious.

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/freaking-awful-oann-in-turmoil-after-trump-cites-report-to-claim-injured-buffalo-protester-could-be-antifa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

[Dawg2003]

I sincerely hate to say this, but with the way things are going, I am concerned that the media is not done coming after Leach. All it takes is one disgruntled player or former player to say something and here comes the angry mob again, and Wolken will probably be leading the charge. And if that does happen I have very little faith in our administration to handle the situation correctly based on how they handled the infamous tweet a couple of months ago.

I've been thinking the same thing. The social media mob is really bad right now. The Twitter mob basically in control at this point. I used to think Twitter wasn't that real life, but I'm not so sure anymore. It seems to be seeping out into real life. Someone made the point that the Twitter mob is the new guillotine. Instead of chopping people's heads off for the wrong opinions, the Twitter mob will ruin your life and take away your job. The social justice movement has used the death of George Floyd to take over the discourse and take control. Leach needs to stay quiet, so people forget he even exists.

I actually wonder what the future of sports even is. I think the social justice crowd is intent on taking sports down.

[Johnson85]

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/freaking-awful-oann-in-turmoil-after-trump-cites-report-to-claim-injured-buffalo-protester-could-be-antifa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

That was troubling, but it's also one of those things that are inevitable once you put officers in the situation of using a skirmish line to clear an area.

It's not clear what he was doing with his phone. Presumably he was using his hand with his phone to point or draw attention to something, but and the officer overreacted. I can imagine having a protester reaching toward an officer's belt is a little bit alarming for officers. If it weren't for the protester's age, I think many people would view his reaction as fairly reasonable. There are going to be things that go wrong when you have interactions between police and citizens, and it looks like this officer made a poor judgment call in the moment (assuming the old man wasn't actually trying to skim information, which I'm not sure if that's really even feasible or a reasonable concern for the officer to have had). It also looks like the old man made a poor judgment call, as if you're not nimble enough to break your fall at all, you probably shouldn't advance on a skirmish line. But if there is somebody that needs to lose their job, it's the person that made the call to use a skirmish line to clear the area. Either that was a good call or not, but once it was made, it's more or less inevitable that there are going to be bad things happen unless the citizens obey and disperse.

[Lord McBuckethead]

He wants Gundy fired because of his beliefs. Like I said he's a douche

Yeah, that is pretty stupid. Fired for wearing an OAN t shirt? Bit overboard.
Although, in my opinion OAN is essentially a modern day Der St?rmer or Korean Central Television.
So, its not like he was wearing a Fox News tshirt. Either way, firing the dude is a bit overboard. Even calling for him to be fired is a bit overboard.
In general, even OAN apologist know what OAN is and it's "purpose" in our society.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Sounds like liberals in this country are turning into total fascists where you aren't allowed to have a differing opinion than them. I don't remember conservatives ever getting to the point where they refuse to be around, work with or socialize with any liberal. There is a whole multitude of Trump supporters out there that are scared out of their minds to publicly say they are because of all the backlash they would receive if people around them knew.

That is not what it sounds to me. It sounds to me they are calling out fascist thinking and not letting it go unchecked.

[was21]

true

[Dawg2003]

I think you have to differentiate between liberals and progressives. Progressives are much more radical. Liberals are more of your old school freedom of speech, socially liberal crew. A lot of liberals are just as scared of the Twitter mobs as anyone else.

[Lord McBuckethead]

You substitute a word and that would be CNN. They 'lived' off 3+ years of a totally fake Russian hoax.

Ahhhh, no. OAN is something this country has never seen before. On either side, during anytime of our existence except maybe during the Red Scare.

[TrapGame]

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/freaking-awful-oann-in-turmoil-after-trump-cites-report-to-claim-injured-buffalo-protester-could-be-antifa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

That old dude is a radical dinosaur who's been doing shit like that for decades.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Ah. I see it now.

To be fair, OAN is absolutely bat shit. I don't even consider it "right wing", either...as that would be Fox, Daily Wire, The Hill, etc. Putting OAN in that category, does a disservice to actual conservative media. That shit is literally a cesspool of conspiracy theory and sycophantic grifters (with a dash of antisemitism thrown in, too).

I agree. OAN is not "right wing". OAN is some crazy shit that shouldn't have White House press credentials. Seriously, they have press credentials. Strange as hell.

[TrapGame]

I agree. OAN is not "right wing". OAN is some crazy shit that shouldn't have White House press credentials. Seriously, they have press credentials. Strange as hell.

But, MSNBC has press credentials. To me MSNBC is the epitome of bat shit crazy.

[Lord McBuckethead]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

That old dude is a radical dinosaur who's been doing shit like that for decades.

Wow. That link is some well written investigative journalism. I totally believe all of it.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

So because an individual is opposed to Trumps policies/behavior they're immediately discredited? That's over half the country pal. But most recently they reported as fact this: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/freaking-awful-oann-in-turmoil-after-trump-cites-report-to-claim-injured-buffalo-protester-could-be-antifa-provocateur

I'm sure most people saw the video of the elderly gentleman getting his head smacked to the ground by the police-they're trying to tie him in as some sort of domestic terrorist. This guy was doing nothing wrong. Peacefully protesting and they tried to smear a man that was simultaneously in critical condition at the hands of those paid to "protect and serve". If that's not troubling to you or anyone else here, I'll see my way out.

Sigh....

I was hoping I wouldn't have to type all of this out, but here we go.

First of all, I don't discredit anyone that is anti Trump. However, I do discredit a comedian that hosts a satirical news show on a cable network as credible source. He has an entire team of comedic writers that think exactly the same way. It is not hard to edit content in order to cast a person or organization in a bad light.

The story linked from OAN certainly isn't a fact. It is an opinion piece that something COULD have happened.

Here are the facts:

Martin Gugino is a long time protester and has been arrested before at multiple events.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/75-year-old-man-pushed-by-buffalo-police-is-long-time-activist

Here is a photo taken of Gugino talking with the cameraman right before the incident occurred. I believe this photo appears in your link as well:

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Were they just exchanging a friendly "hello"?, were they discussing strategy to get a shot? Something in between? Who knows

After the incidents takes place, and Gugino is laying on the ground apparently dying as the media explained. Here is a picture of him after the incident on an ambulance bed sitting up, talking on his cell phone. I don't think men who are dying do this:

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Given all this information, it is not ridiculous to question that the media outlets that claimed the Buffalo police almost killed this person are not telling the entire truth.

Lastly, football players should not boycott their coach because of a political leaning. Imagine if a coach refused to give a kid playing time because the kid listened to a certain rap artist that the coach didn't happen to agree with their lyrics. I am sure a situation like that would be met with the same high professional standard that the media has approached the Gundy situation. Can we agree, Pal?

[Lord McBuckethead]

But, MSNBC has press credentials. To me MSNBC is the epitome of bat shit crazy.

You may not know what epitome means then.
MSNBC and Fox News are two sides of the same coin.

CNN, is left leaning no doubt about it, but not to the same level as Fox News and MSNBC.

OAN - Bat shit 17n crazy. They literally do not operate under any code of truth. They operate under manifesting scare tactics and spinning news.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Sigh....

I was hoping I wouldn't have to type all of this out, but here we go.

First of all, I don't discredit anyone that is anti Trump. However, I do discredit a comedian that hosts a satirical news show on a cable network as credible source. He has an entire team of comedic writers that think exactly the same way. It is not hard to edit content in order to cast a person or organization in a bad light.

The story linked from OAN certainly isn't a fact. It is an opinion piece that something COULD have happened.

Here are the facts:

Martin Gugino is a long time protester and has been arrested before at multiple events.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/75-year-old-man-pushed-by-buffalo-police-is-long-time-activist

Here is a photo taken of Gugino talking with the cameraman right before the incident occurred. I believe this photo appears in your link as well:

3203

Were they just exchanging a friendly "hello"?, were they discussing strategy to get a shot? Something in between? Who knows

After the incidents takes place, and Gugino is laying on the ground apparently dying as the media explained. Here is a picture of him after the incident on an ambulance bed sitting up, talking on his cell phone. I don't think men who are dying do this:

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Given all this information, it is not ridiculous to question that the media outlets that claimed the Buffalo police almost killed this person are not telling the entire truth.

Lastly, football players should not boycott their coach because of a political leaning. Imagine if a coach refused to give a kid playing time because the kid listened to a certain rap artist that the coach didn't happen to agree with their lyrics. I am sure a situation like that would be met with the same high professional standard that the media has approached the Gundy situation. Can we agree, Pal?

Being a long time protester proves nothing. I am a long time protester. Also, talking to a camera man has literally nothing to add to any argument. He could easily be saying, "These racist assholes are crazy, right?" Just as easily as him saying, "Hey man, how you holding up?" Being arrested why protesting also proves nothing. Give me some actual evidence that this guy did not get shoved to the ground by the police, hitting his head and bleeding out the ear, while unarmed, during a peaceful protest. Just one shred of physical evidence that it was 100% the case.
Hell, give me evidence of the mayor saying what that article said he said about Gugino being an agitator. Also, give me evidence that there wasn't 5k agitators in that crowd.

Exactly. This is the type of thing OAN would run with. Zero facts, tons of conjecture, playing to people's prejudices.
A cop should not push an old man down who is presenting zero threat, and then proceeded not to check on him when he hit his head on the concrete.
Cops are not animals. Cops can act aggressive to maintain control. This was not that. If I remember correctly, there was probably only like 20 people around and they were spaced pretty dang far away from the cops.

[TrapGame]

You may not know what epitome means then.
MSNBC and Fox News are two sides of the same coin.

CNN, is left leaning no doubt about it, but not to the same level as Fox News and MSNBC.

OAN - Bat shit 17n crazy. They literally do not operate under any code of truth. They operate under manifesting scare tactics and spinning news.

You obviously don't know the meaning of left leaning. CNN is not left leaning. They are just as far left as MSNBC.

Scare tactics and spinning news. That's ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC. Three years of a Russian Nothing Burger can attest to that.

But of course, ORANGE MAN BAD!!! That's the only "news" reported out of the Alphabet Soup.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Being a long time protester proves nothing. I am a long time protester. Also, talking to a camera man has literally nothing to add to any argument. He could easily be saying, "These racist assholes are crazy, right?" Just as easily as him saying, "Hey man, how you holding up?" Being arrested why protesting also proves nothing. Give me some actual evidence that this guy did not get shoved to the ground by the police, hitting his head and bleeding out the ear, while unarmed, during a peaceful protest. Just one shred of physical evidence that it was 100% the case.
Hell, give me evidence of the mayor saying what that article said he said about Gugino being an agitator. Also, give me evidence that there wasn't 5k agitators in that crowd.

Exactly. This is the type of thing OAN would run with. Zero facts, tons of conjecture, playing to people's prejudices.
A cop should not push an old man down who is presenting zero threat, and then proceeded not to check on him when he hit his head on the concrete.
Cops are not animals. Cops can act aggressive to maintain control. This was not that. If I remember correctly, there was probably only like 20 people around and they were spaced pretty dang far away from the cops.

I agreed with you. Who knows what he is talking with the cameraman about. No one knows. However, if there was a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald talking with Abraham Zapruder an hour before the Kennedy assassination, it would raise some eyebrows.

The cop made a questionable decision to push the man, but like another poster said, if not for the man's age, it is probably a non issue. Also, when the police are trying to clear an area that they seem a risk, what are they supposed to do when someone refuses to move?

Lastly, the media and the Twitter mob acted as if the police murdered the man in cold blood. There is a picture of him at the scene sitting up on his cell phone after the push took place. You don't have to be a Rhodes Scholar to infer that these media outlets were not telling the truth about the man's health.

[fishwater99]

You may not know what epitome means then.
MSNBC and Fox News are two sides of the same coin.

CNN, is left leaning no doubt about it, but not to the same level as Fox News and MSNBC.

OAN - Bat shit 17n crazy. They literally do not operate under any code of truth. They operate under manifesting scare tactics and spinning news.

That was 10 years ago, CNN is left as they come now.

[MadDawg]

You obviously don't know the meaning of left leaning. CNN is not left leaning. They are just as far left as MSNBC.

Scare tactics and spinning news. That's ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC. Three years of a Russian Nothing Burger can attest to that.

But of course, ORANGE MAN BAD!!! That's the only "news" reported out of the Alphabet Soup.

Bingo

[hopsondawg22]

I would advise you to look into the franklin scandal before you discredit congressmen being invoked in a sex scandal. The left will be the down fall of this country.

[Pipedream]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/06/06/buffalo-officials-duped-by-professional-antifa-provocateur-arrest-and-charge-two-police-officers-righteous-police-team-stand-together-and-walk-out/

That old dude is a radical dinosaur who's been doing shit like that for decades.

This was my entire point. This sort of reporting emboldens people like yourself to attack those who have literally done nothing wrong and had their head popped on the pavement. You're taking up for reporting that this person was some sort of operative to discredit the assault by a gov't paid employee. That line of thinking is insane.

[Quaoarsking]

I would advise you to look into the franklin scandal before you discredit congressmen being invoked in a sex scandal. The left will be the down fall of this country.

Are you referring to this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_child_prostitution_ring_allegations

[TrapGame]

This was my entire point. This sort of reporting emboldens people like yourself to attack those who have literally done nothing wrong and had their head popped on the pavement. You're taking up for reporting that this person was some sort of operative to discredit the assault by a gov't paid employee. That line of thinking is insane.

This guy does shit like this all the time. What do YOU not understand about that? He provoked those officers.

The only insane one around here is you. Democrats can't be pedophiles and Jurassic radicals never do anything wrong.

[BiscuitEater]

News orgs like OAN reporting this sort of fringe outrageous bait to the public for people to consume and folks like yourself have ran with it. This is the problem when anyone uses the term "free market place for ideas". 7

Meanwhile, at least OAN publishes mostly NEWS. You can find out 'WHAT' is actually happening. Yes, it's from a conservative view BUT tune into CNN & CNBC and it's 90% OPINION and 10% actual news.

[Matt3467]

John Oliver is your go to on this?!! Really?!

Have you read John Podesta's leaked emails? Either that man is completely obsessed with eating pizza or it's code for something else. In fact, the FBI recognizes those "menu items" Podesta uses as code words used among child sex traffickers.

Maybe you need to go and read those emails, realize they make almost zero sense until you actually substitute the code word meaning to them.

Yep there's a whole lot more than nothing to "Pizza Gate." I've read the emails and that alone is weird. Also the murals in the establishment as well the artists behind them. The bands they've allowed to play in the establishment and how one band in particular said something during a live show inside the pizzeria to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing) "people have their tastes" in regards to being attracted to children. Also on their menu before they changed their logo it was common symbolism FBI looked for in seeking out pedophilia. One of the artists that Podesta and James Alefantis (owner of Comet Ping Pong) likes paints pictures of children being sexually molested while being chained and bound. A lot of coincidence huh? There's a lot more of course.

[Matt3467]

Sigh....

I was hoping I wouldn't have to type all of this out, but here we go.

First of all, I don't discredit anyone that is anti Trump. However, I do discredit a comedian that hosts a satirical news show on a cable network as credible source. He has an entire team of comedic writers that think exactly the same way. It is not hard to edit content in order to cast a person or organization in a bad light.

The story linked from OAN certainly isn't a fact. It is an opinion piece that something COULD have happened.

Here are the facts:

Martin Gugino is a long time protester and has been arrested before at multiple events.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/75-year-old-man-pushed-by-buffalo-police-is-long-time-activist

Here is a photo taken of Gugino talking with the cameraman right before the incident occurred. I believe this photo appears in your link as well:

3203

Were they just exchanging a friendly "hello"?, were they discussing strategy to get a shot? Something in between? Who knows

After the incidents takes place, and Gugino is laying on the ground apparently dying as the media explained. Here is a picture of him after the incident on an ambulance bed sitting up, talking on his cell phone. I don't think men who are dying do this:

3204

Given all this information, it is not ridiculous to question that the media outlets that claimed the Buffalo police almost killed this person are not telling the entire truth.

Lastly, football players should not boycott their coach because of a political leaning. Imagine if a coach refused to give a kid playing time because the kid listened to a certain rap artist that the coach didn't happen to agree with their lyrics. I am sure a situation like that would be met with the same high professional standard that the media has approached the Gundy situation. Can we agree, Pal?

Yea saw where that guy was a professional protester. He's been arrested some 300 times and over 80 of those were for inciting riots.

[Matt3467]

I would advise you to look into the franklin scandal before you discredit congressmen being invoked in a sex scandal. The left will be the down fall of this country.

Also Dennis Hasterd.

[Quaoarsking]

Yea saw where that guy was a professional protester. He's been arrested some 300 times and over 80 of those were for inciting riots.

That's fake news. You can google and find several debunkings. He has been arrested 4 times, but never for rioting, and no convictions. It's all public records.

Case in point about OANN here. They lied, people believed it and spread the lie.

[Quaoarsking]

Yep there's a whole lot more than nothing to "Pizza Gate." I've read the emails and that alone is weird. Also the murals in the establishment as well the artists behind them. The bands they've allowed to play in the establishment and how one band in particular said something during a live show inside the pizzeria to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing) "people have their tastes" in regards to being attracted to children. Also on their menu before they changed their logo it was common symbolism FBI looked for in seeking out pedophilia. One of the artists that Podesta and James Alefantis (owner of Comet Ping Pong) likes paints pictures of children being sexually molested while being chained and bound. A lot of coincidence huh? There's a lot more of course.

Somehow you know all this stuff but the authorities don't? Or they're all covering up that somehow all these Congressman and public figures are involved and no one's blowing the whistle outside of paranoid conspiracy blogs? Ok...

It's scary how easily people can be snookered by internet nonsense when they want to be. If you want to be told that Hillary Clinton is literally a murderer and child pimp, you'd probably love OANN.

[Quaoarsking]

That's fake news. You can google and find several debunkings. He has been arrested 4 times, but never for rioting, and no convictions. It's all public records.

Case in point about OANN here. They lied, people believed it and spread the lie.

I hate to harp on this, but how does hearing something like "he's been arrested hundreds of times, including 80 (eighty!) for incting riots," not instantly set off alarm bells for being false?

Do you really think such a person would just be out there on the streets? At the very least he'd have run into some 3 strikes laws at this point, and he'd be locked up for good long before he got to his 80th arrest for violent crime. Not to mention you'd be hearing this all over the news and not just OANN/Facebook if true.

It just seems like any rational person would instantly know this probably isn't true, but I guess people don't like to apply critical thinking to statements that back up their worldview.

[Quaoarsking]

For those of you still not convinced, here's Fox News referring to "Pizzagate" as fake news:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-with-rifle-arrested-at-dc-restaurant-targeted-by-fake-news-conspiracy-theories

And here is Alex Jones of Infowars admitting "Pizzagate" was a hoax and apologizing for spreading it:
https://thehill.com/homenews/325761-infowars-alex-jones-apologizes-for-pushing-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory

[Matt3467]

Also Dennis Hasterd.


I can't cite proof of his record other than what I've heard and that he's a well known protestor. Gugino states on his blog he's been arrested 4 times but who knows.

[Quaoarsking]

I can't cite proof of his record other than what I've heard and that he's a well known protestor. Gugino states on his blog he's been arrested 4 times but who knows.

You should probably stop believing whoever told you he'd been arrested 300 times, because that person or organization is a liar with an agenda, or gullibly believed a liar with an agenda before passing it on to you.

You should also stop believing whoever told you Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring out of a DC pizza restaurant and look into the debunkings all over the internet from all over the political spectrum. Every single point of the theory has been demonstrably shown to be false, not by mistake, but made up intentionally to deceive people.

[Quaoarsking]

Also, the story that spawned this thread has come to an end. Gundy didn't realize what he was wearing. He does now and won't wear it again. He and the Oklahoma State community have moved on, and it's time for all of us to do the same.

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[somebodyshotmypaw]

You may not know what epitome means then.
MSNBC and Fox News are two sides of the same coin.

CNN, is left leaning no doubt about it, but not to the same level as Fox News and MSNBC.

OAN - Bat shit 17n crazy. They literally do not operate under any code of truth. They operate under manifesting scare tactics and spinning news.

Fox News is right-leaning certainly. But they are much closer to the center than CNN is. CNN is very left. The media is probably 90% left, even in conservative states like Mississippi. Marshall Ramsey and Rick Cleveland are further left than Obama.

[Quaoarsking]

Fox News is right-leaning certainly. But they are much closer to the center than CNN is. CNN is very left. The media is probably 90% left, even in conservative states like Mississippi. Marshall Ramsey and Rick Cleveland are further left than Obama.

How can conservatives simultaneously brag about how Fox News gets the highest rankings and then also claim that the media is 90% liberal?

And that's just cable. Conservatives have basically all of radio and 2 of the 4 largest newspapers (WSJ and NYP).

And Rick Cleveland? Who even knows or cares what his politics are. He's a sports writer, not a news reporter or political columnist.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

That's the thing, though, you're equating Huff Post and OAN as media equals, which is hilarious. I don't care how much you despise Huff Post, or consider them liberal hacks who are full of shit...and that's perfectly fine. Huff Post has their fair share of hacks, as does every network/media entity. I could share similar feelings about certain talking heads on the right, such as a Sean Hannity or Glen Beck, but even on their worst days (and there are a lot of 'em), I wouldn't lower them to the likes of OAN. That's what you're not getting. Apples and bowling balls.

Your opinion of Huffington Post is way too high. Hannity and Beck are way more moderate than a HuffPost writer. Good Lord, Huff Post is just out there and crazy.

[dantheman4248]

OAN said "Black Lives Matter" is a Farce and has doubled down on that as the years have gone on.

Plain and simple it's not ok to be racist. Sure it's your constitutionally protected right to be racist if you want. The government can't arrest you for that. But it's everyone else's right to hate you for your stupidity and no longer support you. That's democracy. That's them exercising their freedom of speech.

If you find yourself on the opposite end of cancel culture, you need to 1. reevaluate your opinion. Gundy clearly did. He asked why and had a good conversation and has come forward with a meh apology, but an apology nonetheless. 2. If you don't want to do 1, then understand what the freedom of speech means. It doesn't protect you from someone else saying they don't support you. That is their freedom of speech. If you are mad at people using "cancel culture" to eliminate "wrongthink" then you are literally mad you live in America and are on the losing end of democracy.

People have the right to speak. People have the right to say that what others say is stupid. People have the freedom of speech to withdraw their support based on whatever they feel like. Getting mad at that means you are literally against the first amendment. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. You're free to leave.

Side note OAN is actually considered more trustworthy than Fox News on the media bias chart. That statement is not an endorsement of OAN btw.

[Quaoarsking]

Side note OAN is actually considered more trustworthy than Fox News on the media bias chart. That statement is not an endorsement of OAN btw.

I believe that chart is from 2017/2018. I suspect they'd be moving down and to the right over the last year or so, now that they have openly begged for Trump's favor.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

How can conservatives simultaneously brag about how Fox News gets the highest rankings and then also claim that the media is 90% liberal?

And that's just cable. Conservatives have basically all of radio and 2 of the 4 largest newspapers (WSJ and NYP).

Let's say you have 500 liberals and 500 conservatives viewers. All the conservatives watch FOX because it's the only conservative news. The liberals split their viewing between all of the other networks that lean left. So a basic math class in elementary school will tell you who gets the most viewers. That would be FOX.

Example
Fox - 500 conservatives
CNN- 100 liberals
MSNBC- 100 liberals
CBS - 100 liberals
ABC - 100 liberals
NBC - 100 liberals

It's math.

[Matt3467]

Somehow you know all this stuff but the authorities don't? Or they're all covering up that somehow all these Congressman and public figures are involved and no one's blowing the whistle outside of paranoid conspiracy blogs? Ok...

It's scary how easily people can be snookered by internet nonsense when they want to be. If you want to be told that Hillary Clinton is literally a murderer and child pimp, you'd probably love OANN.

Well.... on this one there are actual emails we can read that contain known pedophilia lingo. Yes the terms typically are harmless but when they are used the number of times they're used it makes sense to assume they could be code. The band I mentioned that played several times at Comet Ping Pong can be easily found on youtube and you can see where the lead singer (whose brother ironically is serving 43 years for multiple counts of child molestation) responds to members of the audience mentioning liking "little boys" by saying "we all have preferences" then laughing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZAsfjOloo

As far as the symbolism on the menu take a look at the FBI literature on pedophilia logos here: http://whale.to/c/FBI-pedophile-symbols.pdf
Then look at there logo before it was changed: https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2016/11/comet-ping-pong-1.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/aceloewgold.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cpp-logo.jpg?resize=535%2C190&ssl=1

Tony Podesta mentions (https://washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05/inside-homes-private-viewing/) one of his favorite artists is Biljana Djurdjevic. Copy and paste that name into google and look at her "art."

All the above are facts.

[Matt3467]

You should probably stop believing whoever told you he'd been arrested 300 times, because that person or organization is a liar with an agenda, or gullibly believed a liar with an agenda before passing it on to you.

You should also stop believing whoever told you Hillary Clinton runs a child sex ring out of a DC pizza restaurant and look into the debunkings all over the internet from all over the political spectrum. Every single point of the theory has been demonstrably shown to be false, not by mistake, but made up intentionally to deceive people.

Not really that far out there to believe someone has been arrested more than 300 times. Here's an article from CNN about one arrested more than 1500 times: https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/04/us/kentucky-henry-earl-most-arrested/index.html

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Also, the story that spawned this thread has come to an end. Gundy didn't realize what he was wearing. He does now and won't wear it again. He and the Oklahoma State community have moved on, and it's time for all of us to do the same.

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This looks like a hostage video. Good Lord

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

OAN said "Black Lives Matter" is a Farce and has doubled down on that as the years have gone on.

Plain and simple it's not ok to be racist. Sure it's your constitutionally protected right to be racist if you want. The government can't arrest you for that. But it's everyone else's right to hate you for your stupidity and no longer support you. That's democracy. That's them exercising their freedom of speech.

If you find yourself on the opposite end of cancel culture, you need to 1. reevaluate your opinion. Gundy clearly did. He asked why and had a good conversation and has come forward with a meh apology, but an apology nonetheless. 2. If you don't want to do 1, then understand what the freedom of speech means. It doesn't protect you from someone else saying they don't support you. That is their freedom of speech. If you are mad at people using "cancel culture" to eliminate "wrongthink" then you are literally mad you live in America and are on the losing end of democracy.

People have the right to speak. People have the right to say that what others say is stupid. People have the freedom of speech to withdraw their support based on whatever they feel like. Getting mad at that means you are literally against the first amendment. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. You're free to leave.

Side note OAN is actually considered more trustworthy than Fox News on the media bias chart. That statement is not an endorsement of OAN btw.

I am very aware of how free speech works. The difference is the group think. If a celebrity says "I believe abortion is murder" or "I think marriage is only between a man and a woman" they better watch out. However, if you say something along the lines of "I think women should have the right to post birth abortions" you will be revered as woke. The media acts as an attack dog for the left.

[dantheman4248]

I am very aware of how free speech works. The difference is the group think. If a celebrity says "I believe abortion is murder" or "I think marriage is only between a man and a woman" they better watch out. However, if you say something along the lines of "I think women should have the right to post birth abortions" you will be revered as woke. The media acts as an attack dog for the left.

This is just plain hilarity and wrong on how people view abortion and where the cancel culture comes from. The media acting as an attack dog for the left is hilarity. Fox News gets the biggest cut of the pie behind locals.

But let's view your two ridiculous scenarios for what they are. Starting with the obvious, "marriage is between a man and a woman." Why is this controversial? Well acting in favor of that statement is a first amendment violation. If you support that statement and act on it then you are spitting on freedom of religion. Remember, your rights end where another's begins. You can't impose your religion to where another's can't begin. That's how that works. And don't think this means that your pastor has to marry them. That's the catch that they are missing. They can't impose their religion on you. So shit ain't bothering you. They're treated equally under law and can get their marriage certificate same as any 2 other human beings. If you prevent that then you are against freedom and you should move to Russia.

As for abortion, the touchiest of topics. Both sides are shit at the argument in my opinion. Pro-choice for not knowing what constitutes a human and deciding arbitrarily based on days. Pro-life for being disingenuous and acting like they actually care about lives. As soon as that baby is going plopped out, they don't give a damn anymore. It simply comes across as a means to control women with those disingenuous motives. The ones who are sexist about it get cancelled. Which are still few and far between. Your post-birth abortion straw man is just pure comedy. Doesn't exist and is an attack to make an argument you don't agree with sound stupid.

But again the issue is simple. If you are militant on either side of that controversial issue, you have the ability to vote with your wallet. If someone else takes the other side of the issue, you have your freedom to no longer support them in any capacity and say why. You have freedom of speech of course. But there is nothing to protect you from the consequence of others hearing your freely said malarkey and causing monetary consequence for you. You do not have the freedom of monetary consequence. That would impose others rights to freedom of speech.

Being scared of that boils down to that you're scared you'll lose money for shit opinions. That's what happens in a democratic economy. If you don't like democracy or freedom then go somewhere else. (This isn't a specific shot at you Bruce. It's directed at idiots who believe their bastion of freedom is perfect and can't understand why anyone would question the holes in our society.)

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

This is just plain hilarity and wrong on how people view abortion and where the cancel culture comes from. The media acting as an attack dog for the left is hilarity. Fox News gets the biggest cut of the pie behind locals.

But let's view your two ridiculous scenarios for what they are. Starting with the obvious, "marriage is between a man and a woman." Why is this controversial? Well acting in favor of that statement is a first amendment violation. If you support that statement and act on it then you are spitting on freedom of religion. Remember, your rights end where another's begins. You can't impose your religion to where another's can't begin. That's how that works. And don't think this means that your pastor has to marry them. That's the catch that they are missing. They can't impose their religion on you. So shit ain't bothering you. They're treated equally under law and can get their marriage certificate same as any 2 other human beings. If you prevent that then you are against freedom and you should move to Russia.

As for abortion, the touchiest of topics. Both sides are shit at the argument in my opinion. Pro-choice for not knowing what constitutes a human and deciding arbitrarily based on days. Pro-life for being disingenuous and acting like they actually care about lives. As soon as that baby is going plopped out, they don't give a damn anymore. It simply comes across as a means to control women with those disingenuous motives. The ones who are sexist about it get cancelled. Which are still few and far between. Your post-birth abortion straw man is just pure comedy. Doesn't exist and is an attack to make an argument you don't agree with sound stupid.

But again the issue is simple. If you are militant on either side of that controversial issue, you have the ability to vote with your wallet. If someone else takes the other side of the issue, you have your freedom to no longer support them in any capacity and say why. You have freedom of speech of course. But there is nothing to protect you from the consequence of others hearing your freely said malarkey and causing monetary consequence for you. You do not have the freedom of monetary consequence. That would impose others rights to freedom of speech.

Being scared of that boils down to that you're scared you'll lose money for shit opinions. That's what happens in a democratic economy. If you don't like democracy or freedom then go somewhere else. (This isn't a specific shot at you Bruce. It's directed at idiots who believe their bastion of freedom is perfect and can't understand why anyone would question the holes in our society.)


After I posted the abortion argument, I somewhat regretted it because I really wasn't intending that post to get into a pissing match over abortion.

It doesn't change the fact that my argument is correct, and for the examples you cited your take is not based in fact.

Yes you cannot discriminate based on a person's sexual preference, but having the opinion that marriage is between a man and a woman isn't illegal. If it was every politician pre 2005 would be in prison. Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama included. The point is when the Chick-Fil-A founder expressed this opinion ( when he was specifically asked the gotcha question) was completely demonized for his opinion. The early days of the Twitter mob also tried to cancel him and his company.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to make this about abortion but you are wrong about post birth abortion support being non existent. See Virginia governor's comments last year.

What I am trying to emphasize is the amazing double standard that the media has based on their opinions as "journalists". The beloved governor of Virginia Ralph Northam and our incredibly woke northern neighbor's prime minister literally have pictures and videos of them in blackface circulating. Do you think Tate Reeves would still be the governor by by the end of the week if a similar photo of him was discovered? That's the difference.

[Johnson85]

OAN said "Black Lives Matter" is a Farce and has doubled down on that as the years have gone on.

Plain and simple it's not ok to be racist. Sure it's your constitutionally protected right to be racist if you want. The government can't arrest you for that. But it's everyone else's right to hate you for your stupidity and no longer support you. That's democracy. That's them exercising their freedom of speech.


This is so feeble minded it's incredible. You can criticize an organization focused on race issues and not be racist just like you can criticize the Southern Baptist Convention and not be bigoted towards Christians.



If you find yourself on the opposite end of cancel culture, you need to 1. reevaluate your opinion. Gundy clearly did. He asked why and had a good conversation and has come forward with a meh apology, but an apology nonetheless. 2. If you don't want to do 1, then understand what the freedom of speech means. It doesn't protect you from someone else saying they don't support you. That is their freedom of speech. If you are mad at people using "cancel culture" to eliminate "wrongthink" then you are literally mad you live in America and are on the losing end of democracy.
People have the right to speak. People have the right to say that what others say is stupid. People have the freedom of speech to withdraw their support based on whatever they feel like. Getting mad at that means you are literally against the first amendment. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. You're free to leave.

Side note OAN is actually considered more trustworthy than Fox News on the media bias chart. That statement is not an endorsement of OAN btw.

There is freedom of speech as a legal concept and freedom of speech as a cultural value. It is not "freedom of speech" to try to drive somebody from the public sphere and/or ensure that they lose their job and are generally unwelcome in "polite" society. It may be legally protected, but it's antithetical to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech would be meeting them in the market place of ideas and convincing other people, if not them, that their ideas are wrongheaded. Trying to shortcut the argument by getting them excluded from the public square is not "freedom of speech".

Also, it doesn't have much to do with democracy, but to the extent it does, it's also inconsistent with democracy. Democracy more or less depends on not trying to treat the minority on any particular issue as unworthy of being in polite society. If the consequences of losing an election are that the minority no longer enjoys the benefits of civil society, then that makes every election an existential issue for them and increases the chances that power will not change hands peacefully.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

This is so feeble minded it's incredible. You can criticize an organization focused on race issues and not be racist just like you can criticize the Southern Baptist Convention and not be bigoted towards Christians.


Exactly, you can believe that black lives matter, while still being critical of the organization that goes by the name "Black Lives Matter".

I can like southern Mississippi (the region) and not like Southern Mississippi (the college).

[dantheman4248]

You people are so out to find bad guys to hate. ANTIFA and BLM are not "organizations", they are movements. You know what you sound like right now? People who "agree with civil rights but don't agree with their protests and the Civil Rights Organization."

You keep trying to boogeyman a movement as some dark organization with some nefarious leader. Effectively saying that BLM is a farce is akin to saying Civil Rights is a farce. Plain and simple.

You have the right to say whatever you want and the government can't arrest you. That's free speech. Everyone else has the right to criticize, withdraw support, call you an asshole, and tell you to shut up. That's their free speech. Again, "if you don't like it, leave."

[dawgday166]

You people are so out to find bad guys to hate. ANTIFA and BLM are not "organizations", they are movements. You know what you sound like right now? People who "agree with civil rights but don't agree with their protests and the Civil Rights Organization."

You keep trying to boogeyman a movement as some dark organization with some nefarious leader. Effectively saying that BLM is a farce is akin to saying Civil Rights is a farce. Plain and simple.

You have the right to say whatever you want and the government can't arrest you. That's free speech. Everyone else has the right to criticize, withdraw support, call you an asshole, and tell you to shut up. That's their free speech. Again, "if you don't like it, leave."

So I defended Kapernick at the time he protested cause, like you say that's free speech. Didn't think that what happened as a result with his career and all should've happened. He has the right to speak his mind. And he wasn't being violent or destroying anything.

However, it sounds like you're now defending those that disagreed with him and ostracized him, including the NFL. No??

Works both ways ... don't it?

OAN is just a more conservative news organization near as I can tell so far. Only known about if for a week or so but learned some things on there that you don't hear most places.

Like when Dr. Alveda King, the niece of MLK was on there saying Trump has done more for Black American than Obama did. And she also said the MLK's "dream" is alive moreso today because of what Trump has done to help the Black Community. Especially with criminal justice reform, permanently funding historically black colleges, opportunity zones, and school choice. This was all a shocker to me as well.

Not saying OAN is 100% accurate but not sure there is any news org that is. Just saying you see some things on there that you'll never see on CNN.

[Sundawg1974]

You people are so out to find bad guys to hate. ANTIFA and BLM are not "organizations", they are movements. You know what you sound like right now? People who "agree with civil rights but don't agree with their protests and the Civil Rights Organization."

You keep trying to boogeyman a movement as some dark organization with some nefarious leader. Effectively saying that BLM is a farce is akin to saying Civil Rights is a farce. Plain and simple.

You have the right to say whatever you want and the government can't arrest you. That's free speech. Everyone else has the right to criticize, withdraw support, call you an asshole, and tell you to shut up. That's their free speech. Again, "if you don't like it, leave."

Odd that BLM website says they are an ?organization?, but you keep being the condescending you.

[dantheman4248]

So I defended Kapernick at the time he protested cause, like you say that's free speech. Didn't think that what happened as a result with his career and all should've happened. He has the right to speak his mind. And he wasn't being violent or destroying anything.

However, it sounds like you're now defending those that disagreed with him and ostracized him, including the NFL. No??

Works both ways ... don't it?

OAN is just a more conservative news organization near as I can tell so far. Only known about if for a week or so but learned some things on there that you don't hear most places.

Like when Dr. Alveda King, the niece of MLK was on there saying Trump has done more for Black American than Obama did. And she also said the MLK's "dream" is alive moreso today because of what Trump has done to help the Black Community. Especially with criminal justice reform, permanently funding historically black colleges, opportunity zones, and school choice. This was all a shocker to me as well.

Not saying OAN is 100% accurate but not sure there is any news org that is. Just saying you see some things on there that you'll never see on CNN.

It's sad to see you do in the real world what you made fun of me for in the sports world. You literally are searching until you found something that made you feel comfortable and fit your narrative.

White people love to prop up one random ass person of color and say "Look, they don't think it's bad. What's the deal?" Literally ignore 99% of them that are telling you there is a problem to agree with the one that makes you feel comfortable and cozy and optimistic.

Also hilarious you mention Kaepernick. That IS exactly what happened to him. He was "cancelled" for having an opinion that upset viewers. You're so close to the point. That none of these people cried when it happened to him. It's only when it happens to those they like that there's a problem. Why do you think I put quotes around "if you don't like it, leave." ?

[dantheman4248]

Odd that BLM website says they are an ?organization?, but you keep being the condescending you.

"An organization known simply as "Black Lives Matter" exists as a decentralized network with over 30 chapters worldwide, while a larger Black Lives Matter movement exists consisting of various separate like-minded organizations such as Dream Defenders and Assata's Daughters."

If you really think that they are calling the organization a farce while in the same breath acknowledging the movement is ok then you are willfully being ignorant. Congrats on making it to 2020 and still having the inability to change your opinion when presented with new evidence.

BLM is a movement. Anyone who attacks that moniker at this point is quite simply a bigot. You're totally allowed to be a bigot. You are allowed to exist in "polite" society. The only thing that you aren't allowed to do is force the rest of society to treat you in a certain manner. Society can treat you how they want. Society determines that you've acted like a bigot, then you are no longer allowed to profit off of them. You lose your job? Oh well. Shouldn't have been racist.

To the overall point of the thread, the coach went and listened to his players. He listened to their concerns and he made a formal apology. Some may take it as teleprompter and not honest. I take it as progress. It's up to him to show actions going forward that aren't tone deaf.

There's a team that is predominantly black saying they won't support anyone who supports a network that says people of their skin color wanting their lives to matter is a farce. Your response is to seek out people who disagree with that however you can and cry about how your marginalized and can't support something racist without consequences. Get the **** over yourself.

[dawgday166]

It's sad to see you do in the real world what you made fun of me for in the sports world. You literally are searching until you found something that made you feel comfortable and fit your narrative.

White people love to prop up one random ass person of color and say "Look, they don't think it's bad. What's the deal?" Literally ignore 99% of them that are telling you there is a problem to agree with the one that makes you feel comfortable and cozy and optimistic.

Also hilarious you mention Kaepernick. That IS exactly what happened to him. He was "cancelled" for having an opinion that upset viewers. You're so close to the point. That none of these people cried when it happened to him. It's only when it happens to those they like that there's a problem. Why do you think I put quotes around "if you don't like it, leave." ?

I said I did defend Kapernick. I can't influence millions of viewers or the NFL either.

As to "searching" I'm searching for something that is along the lines of what's real. Hard to tell that is. So you don't think MLK's niece knows anything about race relations or what Trump has done for black people?

I guess you know more about that than she does?

[BeardoMSU]

I said I did defend Kapernick. I can't influence millions of viewers or the NFL either.

As to "searching" I'm searching for something that is along the lines of what's real. Hard to tell that is. So you don't think MLK's niece knows anything about race relations or what Trump has done for black people?

I guess you know more about that than she does?

She, and her opinion are absolutely valid, and one I would consider (along with others). Would you say the same about Ronald Reagan's son?

[dantheman4248]

I said I did defend Kapernick. I can't influence millions of viewers or the NFL either.

As to "searching" I'm searching for something that is along the lines of what's real. Hard to tell that is. So you don't think MLK's niece knows anything about race relations or what Trump has done for black people?

I guess you know more about that than she does?

Did I say you didn't?

As for searching what's real. You know what that is? Seeing the shit for yourself. Go be a socially distant observer if not a supporter of the protests. You missed the initial stockpile of tear gas quickly being depleted, so now you won't really see much looting as the police have stopped provoking for the large part.

And again you are bringing up 1 persons worldview. Go listen to the thousands of others that share a different perspective. Again it sounds like you're searching for the person who makes you feel comfortable and tells you what you want to hear rather than looking at the obvious truth that exists all around.

[dawgday166]

She, and her opinion are absolutely valid, and one I would consider (along with others). Would you say the same about Ronald Reagan's son?

Maybe and probably so. Listened to him a few times a long time ago. What is he saying these days?

When it comes to race relations tho ... she's lived it so I'd probably lean in her direction moreso. Don't you think that's the smart option of those two?

Of course now dano ... he's the smartest so he probably knows more than she does. I probably just need to quit trying to figure anything out and listen to dano. Save myself a lot of time then.

I've also talked to a close black friend who's like a brother to me ... seriously. We talk about anything. I brought it up and said "Dude, you mind if I ask you about all this? He said "No problem". Then I said "Be straight up with me now." And he was.

I think ole Dano would be surprised at what he said for most part. My friend and I both tho are glad more awareness of cops getting away with brutality or murder needs to happen and there should be severe consequences for that crap.

[dawgday166]

Did I say you didn't?

As for searching what's real. You know what that is? Seeing the shit for yourself. Go be a socially distant observer if not a supporter of the protests. You missed the initial stockpile of tear gas quickly being depleted, so now you won't really see much looting as the police have stopped provoking for the large part.

And again you are bringing up 1 persons worldview. Go listen to the thousands of others that share a different perspective. Again it sounds like you're searching for the person who makes you feel comfortable and tells you what you want to hear rather than looking at the obvious truth that exists all around.

So you went and protested and saw all this then? Where'd you protest at?

One person's worldview huh? I would imagine she's seen more in a month of her early life than you've seen in your entire life relative to race relations. And she wasn't the only black person on there. There was another younger black lady who I believe was the head of the King Center who said the same things about Trump.

But ... I will defer to your immense experience and knowledge.

[dantheman4248]

So you went and protested and saw all this then? Where'd you protest at?

One person's worldview huh? I would imagine she's seen more in a month of her early life than you've seen in your entire life relative to race relations. And she wasn't the only black person on there. There was another younger black lady who I believe was the head of the King Center who said the same things about Trump.

But ... I will defer to your immense experience and knowledge.

I've been to Minneapolis and to my own city's protests. It's funny that since our curfew was lifted that there has been less "destruction and looting".

As for you reading that my experience trumps hers. I have no idea how you contorted your brain to think that's what I said. I literally said go listen to the THOUSANDS of OTHERS. For every lucky person of color who "has never experienced racism", there are 1000 who have. For every one supporting Trump and thinking he's doing any good for race relations and the communities there are 1000 who disagree. That's not me. The streets are talking. Go listen.

[dawgday166]

I've been to Minneapolis and to my own city's protests. It's funny that since our curfew was lifted that there has been less "destruction and looting".

As for you reading that my experience trumps hers. I have no idea how you contorted your brain to think that's what I said. I literally said go listen to the THOUSANDS of OTHERS. For every lucky person of color who "has never experienced racism", there are 1000 who have. For every one supporting Trump and thinking he's doing any good for race relations and the communities there are 1000 who disagree. That's not me. The streets are talking. Go listen.

So you were glad the curfew was lifted then? Sorta like freedom that is ... which I agree with. But I thought you believe Trump should lock down the country under martial law because of Covid?

So the discussion was on free speech ... which I agree with both ways. Here's some more free speech for you. Be sure to watch the whole thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYTof5ipmZw

[Cowbell]

Just stopped in because I could hear screaming from one of the other threads.... LOL

[Dawgfan77]

I've been to Minneapolis and to my own city's protests. It's funny that since our curfew was lifted that there has been less "destruction and looting".

As for you reading that my experience trumps hers. I have no idea how you contorted your brain to think that's what I said. I literally said go listen to the THOUSANDS of OTHERS. For every lucky person of color who "has never experienced racism", there are 1000 who have. For every one supporting Trump and thinking he's doing any good for race relations and the communities there are 1000 who disagree. That's not me. The streets are talking. Go listen.

I'm gonna call Bull shit on you protesting especially in Minneapolis

[dantheman4248]

I'm gonna call Bull shit on you protesting especially in Minneapolis

The fact that you vilify me to where you can't even fathom the possibility that I don't live in Mississippi and actually live closer to Minneapolis than I did to Starkville growing up (and I grew up in Mississippi) shows that it's not even about understanding the other side of view.

You just want to be right and to have others submit and be beneath you. You'll contort reality until you believe you're there. You're participating in bad faith. Black lives matter. Not matter more than you. Just matter. How that is still controversial is because you're someone who will contort that message into something else. It's almost like you're afraid if you don't have power that someone else will and you're afraid of being treated how those not in power are. Sickening, selfish, and sad.

[Johnson85]

You people are so out to find bad guys to hate. ANTIFA and BLM are not "organizations", they are movements. You know what you sound like right now? People who "agree with civil rights but don't agree with their protests and the Civil Rights Organization."

You keep trying to boogeyman a movement as some dark organization with some nefarious leader. Effectively saying that BLM is a farce is akin to saying Civil Rights is a farce. Plain and simple.

You have the right to say whatever you want and the government can't arrest you. That's free speech. Everyone else has the right to criticize, withdraw support, call you an asshole, and tell you to shut up. That's their free speech. Again, "if you don't like it, leave."

You're just feeble minded and ignorant and so it's easier for you to call other people racist than to actually engage their ideas.

Even if it's loosely organized, black lives matter does have an organization and they take positions that are open for criticism. Even if you are just focusing on the movement, it's not a racist criticism to say that the slogan is a farce b/c there are much greater threats to black lives than police, such as black on black crime and abortion. I don't agree with that criticism b/c you can focus on more than one thing at a time and state sanctioned violence should get more attention, but making that criticism is not racist.

Nor would it be a racist criticism to claim BLM is counterproductive and doing more harm than good to the black community. No clue if that's true, but it's not obviously wrong considering many of the people that will suffer the most harm from looting and violence will be the people that remain in those communities after businesses and more affluent people leave, many poor blacks will suffer the most from reduced police presence to the extent there is any successful movement ot reduce the number of police and/or a lot of police decide they will avoid policing areas with more crime b/c of the risk of being labeled a criminal if there is an altercation. Or there may be a political backlash where people gravitate towards "law and order" politicians b/c they are spooked by the rioting and looting. Even if none of that ends up being close to correct, it's certainly not racist to make an inaccurate prediction.

I'm not asking you to actually think or anything, but I would suggest you maybe not pat yourself on the back so vigorously for avoiding thinking.

[Dawgfan77]

The fact that you vilify me to where you can't even fathom the possibility that I don't live in Mississippi and actually live closer to Minneapolis than I did to Starkville growing up (and I grew up in Mississippi) shows that it's not even about understanding the other side of view.

You just want to be right and to have others submit and be beneath you. You'll contort reality until you believe you're there. You're participating in bad faith. Black lives matter. Not matter more than you. Just matter. How that is still controversial is because you're someone who will contort that message into something else. It's almost like you're afraid if you don't have power that someone else will and you're afraid of being treated how those not in power are. Sickening, selfish, and sad.

Look here you little shit. My brother is a cop. He has been shot at multiple times. He is not above the law nor beneath it. So I'm sorry if I offended your young punk ass. I support Protest as long as it's peaceful. But you are the one spreading leftists liberal communism bullshit in every thread. You say we refuse to see any side but yours. Maybe take a step back as well. Honestly you (and probably me as well) should stay away from these threads.

[dantheman4248]

Look here you little shit. My brother is a cop. He has been shot at multiple times. He is not above the law nor beneath it. So I'm sorry if I offended your young punk ass. I support Protest as long as it's peaceful. But you are the one spreading leftists liberal communism bullshit in every thread. You say we refuse to see any side but yours. Maybe take a step back as well. Honestly you (and probably me as well) should stay away from these threads.

No he's definitely got privileges above the law by being a cop. I don't understand why that upsets you. Respect isn't a 0 sum game. Authoritative control is. If you don't understand that then it makes sense because you must think by acknowledging someone else's life matters, you must have to give up some of your "hard earned respect."

You didn't offend me. You only offended yourself by making yourself out to be wrong on a bad assumption.

Honestly, the way this board is moving and acts, how many people you think that are stuck in Mississippi forever and don't have the ability to leave the echo chamber would be able to have a similar mindset to me? You had a bad premise you built your assumption on. I really don't know what you were thinking if you even were beyond just saying the opposite of me.

[dawgday166]

No he's definitely got privileges above the law by being a cop. I don't understand why that upsets you. Respect isn't a 0 sum game. Authoritative control is. If you don't understand that then it makes sense because you must think by acknowledging someone else's life matters, you must have to give up some of your "hard earned respect."

You didn't offend me. You only offended yourself by making yourself out to be wrong on a bad assumption.

Honestly, the way this board is moving and acts, how many people you think that are stuck in Mississippi forever and don't have the ability to leave the echo chamber would be able to have a similar mindset to me? You had a bad premise you built your assumption on. I really don't know what you were thinking if you even were beyond just saying the opposite of me.

I'm so glad you've traveled, lived, and have such a wealth of experience and knowledge. Your worldly wisdom is astounding.

FWIW ... I've lived on the Left Coast and the Right Coast too. I usually assimilate somewhat into the local culture. I don't tell them they have to change it.

[Homedawg]

No he's definitely got privileges above the law by being a cop. I don't understand why that upsets you. Respect isn't a 0 sum game. Authoritative control is. If you don't understand that then it makes sense because you must think by acknowledging someone else's life matters, you must have to give up some of your "hard earned respect."

You didn't offend me. You only offended yourself by making yourself out to be wrong on a bad assumption.

Honestly, the way this board is moving and acts, how many people you think that are stuck in Mississippi forever and don't have the ability to leave the echo chamber would be able to have a similar mindset to me? You had a bad premise you built your assumption on. I really don't know what you were thinking if you even were beyond just saying the opposite of me.

11-1 just stfu....the board would be a better place

[SheltonChoked]

I usually assimilate somewhat into the local culture. I don't tell them they have to change it.

WTF does this mean?

[dantheman4248]

11-1 just stfu....the board would be a better place

So you're now openly advocating that a minority doesn't need to voice their opinion.

[MrKotter]

No he's definitely got privileges above the law by being a cop. I don't understand why that upsets you. Respect isn't a 0 sum game. Authoritative control is. If you don't understand that then it makes sense because you must think by acknowledging someone else's life matters, you must have to give up some of your "hard earned respect."

You didn't offend me. You only offended yourself by making yourself out to be wrong on a bad assumption.

Honestly, the way this board is moving and acts, how many people you think that are stuck in Mississippi forever and don't have the ability to leave the echo chamber would be able to have a similar mindset to me? You had a bad premise you built your assumption on. I really don't know what you were thinking if you even were beyond just saying the opposite of me.

You're a sick piece of trash. Get help

[BullDog]

You're just feeble minded and ignorant and so it's easier for you to call other people racist than to actually engage their ideas.

Even if it's loosely organized, black lives matter does have an organization and they take positions that are open for criticism. Even if you are just focusing on the movement, it's not a racist criticism to say that the slogan is a farce b/c there are much greater threats to black lives than police, such as black on black crime and abortion. I don't agree with that criticism b/c you can focus on more than one thing at a time and state sanctioned violence should get more attention, but making that criticism is not racist.

Nor would it be a racist criticism to claim BLM is counterproductive and doing more harm than good to the black community. No clue if that's true, but it's not obviously wrong considering many of the people that will suffer the most harm from looting and violence will be the people that remain in those communities after businesses and more affluent people leave, many poor blacks will suffer the most from reduced police presence to the extent there is any successful movement ot reduce the number of police and/or a lot of police decide they will avoid policing areas with more crime b/c of the risk of being labeled a criminal if there is an altercation. Or there may be a political backlash where people gravitate towards "law and order" politicians b/c they are spooked by the rioting and looting. Even if none of that ends up being close to correct, it's certainly not racist to make an inaccurate prediction.

I'm not asking you to actually think or anything, but I would suggest you maybe not pat yourself on the back so vigorously for avoiding thinking.

Thank you!

[dawgday166]

WTF does this mean?

Maybe get along with would have been a better way to phrase it. I get along with all ethnic groups and never had a problem. And different parts of the country have different cultures to some extent. That's why America is a melting pot ... no?

[Virgil Caine]

Our fan base would be smart to embrace BLM and embrace our history (the 63 MBB team were heroic). We should spend a little less time nitpicking the black activists who are leading this newest iteration of the civil rights movement, and more time listening to them.

Federal, local, and state law enforcement weren?t on the side of civil rights protestors in the 60s?US (and Mississippi) history makes that clear, and they are not now. Our school and our fan base should lead on this issue, especially in a state where the second largest institution as well as the state flag openly embrace the Confederacy to this date.

[Dawgfan77]

No he's definitely got privileges above the law by being a cop. I don't understand why that upsets you. Respect isn't a 0 sum game. Authoritative control is. If you don't understand that then it makes sense because you must think by acknowledging someone else's life matters, you must have to give up some of your "hard earned respect."

You didn't offend me. You only offended yourself by making yourself out to be wrong on a bad assumption.

Honestly, the way this board is moving and acts, how many people you think that are stuck in Mississippi forever and don't have the ability to leave the echo chamber would be able to have a similar mindset to me? You had a bad premise you built your assumption on. I really don't know what you were thinking if you even were beyond just saying the opposite of me.
Hey piece of shit. Question. You ever had a gun pulled on you? You ever been in a life or death situation? I think not if u had your liberal ass would piss your pants. I seen more shit than I care to mention and my brother and my family have been through more shit so your liberal ass can live in a free country. By all means have an opinion but you don't know Jack shit and you know what you didn't go to Minneapolis nor has your ass ever been in a situation where it's your life or another. I hope you don't ever face that. If you did your opinion on law enforcement would be different, or shit life in general would change. I don't hate you or your cause whatever that maybe. But I know this about you. Your a weak individual who would rather spend time lying or posting about shit your young dumb ass has no idea about.
Now what has happened in Minneapolis was uncalled for. I dont condone any act of killing another human being. Regardless of the situation. Don't misconstrue that. It was terrible and those who commit crimes should be punished.
In closing I'd like to say your a little bitch who loves attention and has no idea how the real world works. I have faced a lot of adversity in my life. Including damn near dying from something I don't care to talk about. I have lost a parent and grandparents. I have endured hardships you couldnt dream about. Know what. I didn't ask for a hand out. I didn't ask for shit. I went and made myself just like my brother who protects assholes like you ever day.
So 17 you, you brat

[dantheman4248]

Hey piece of shit. Question. You ever had a gun pulled on you? You ever been in a life or death situation? I think not if u had your liberal ass would piss your pants. I seen more shit than I care to mention and my brother and my family have been through more shit so your liberal ass can live in a free country. By all means have an opinion but you don't know Jack shit and you know what you didn't go to Minneapolis nor has your ass ever been in a situation where it's your life or another. I hope you don't ever face that. If you did your opinion on law enforcement would be different, or shit life in general would change. I don't hate you or your cause whatever that maybe. But I know this about you. Your a weak individual who would rather spend time lying or posting about shit your young dumb ass has no idea about.
Now what has happened in Minneapolis was uncalled for. I dont condone any act of killing another human being. Regardless of the situation. Don't misconstrue that. It was terrible and those who commit crimes should be punished.
In closing I'd like to say your a little bitch who loves attention and has no idea how the real world works. I have faced a lot of adversity in my life. Including damn near dying from something I don't care to talk about. I have lost a parent and grandparents. I have endured hardships you couldnt dream about. Know what. I didn't ask for a hand out. I didn't ask for shit. I went and made myself just like my brother who protects assholes like you ever day.
So 17 you, you brat

Did I strike a nerve?

Ever had a gun pulled on me? Yep. Well, technically my friends and me and not specifically me. Feared for my life? Yep. We were play basketball at the park 30 minutes past closing time and Deputy Dipshit decided the most reasonable way to run us off was at gunpoint. I had never been run out of that same park any of the numerous times a baseball game ran long. I guess the difference was it was pickup basketball and not organized with the park. Yea that's why the cop came out with gun raised telling us that if we didn't leave immediately that he would arrest us for trespassing. Didn't piss my pants. Calmly walked back to the car with hands up and left.

You really want to keep doubling down on this I didn't go to Minneapolis narrative. Like it was a short drive away from me. I went the first weekend. I seen it. I was tear gassed there. I came back to my city and was tear gassed here. It's reality. Idk why reality makes you upset at me? I'm not the one who tear gassed anyone. I'm not the one who violated the geneva convention.

Cool for admitting it was bad and agreeing that killing of any kind is bad. That's kind of the point of the protests and amendments 5, 8, and 14.

I don't know how you having horrible things happen to you makes me a liar? I've lost a parent and 3 grandparents already. Watch the death of one parent cause my other to go into deep depression. Was by no means a quick death. Slow deterioration with medical bills that caused bankruptcy. My father was too prideful to ask for any handouts too for a while Until he gave in after he opened up to our pastor and shared just how bad the situation was. I guess you're like him and see "handouts" as weak. Well that's such a sad way to view society. It's not a handout. It's people working together to pull someone up from the gutters. There's no shame in asking for help when you need it. My fathers sickness was through no fault of his own. He likely doesn't make it past 7 without the goodwill of others.

Hating people who need help and can't help themselves is such a weird elitist hill to die on. Do you just want to cull off people in general who are weak and can't provide physical labor to society? Who have to be hooked up to a ****ing machine in front of their kids 5 days a week just to ****ing live?

Calling me a brat. Amazing. The only things that I've ever asked for myself is 5 more minutes with my father and that my mother not worry and break down over losing her husband as she watched him either into nothing.

So yea, being a victim of the system and seeing how unjust it is... sorry you haven't gone through what I've went through or could even ****ing fathom what the **** it's like to not be able to do shit about it. To hear a bunch of ducking idiots talk about pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Guess what **** faces. I did and I graduated from the best ******* university in the state of Mississippi. I got me a well paying job. I got myself into a comfortable place. I'm working to get my momma into a comfortable place. Still no amount of bootstrap pulling can mitigate the hurt and have prevented it. So, when I fight for injustice in this country, I fight in my father's honor. No one should ever have to go through what I and my family endured.

Horrible shit happens in this country every day. And I'm the villain for wanting to stop it. I'm a spoiled brat for that. Wow.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm all for changing the state flag & Ole Miss changing their name, moving statues, etc.. however, this where the movement loses me.

It never ends. Give them one thing & they want another, and another, & another.....it's disgusting

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[Homedawg]

So you're now openly advocating that a minority doesn't need to voice their opinion.

Nope I'm openly saying I wish you'd stfu. You make every thread political and ruin the board. Fact.

[ScoobaDawg]

Hey piece of shit. Question. You ever had a gun pulled on you? You ever been in a life or death situation? I think not if u had your liberal ass would piss your pants. I seen more shit than I care to mention and my brother and my family have been through more shit so your liberal ass can live in a free country. By all means have an opinion but you don't know Jack shit and you know what you didn't go to Minneapolis nor has your ass ever been in a situation where it's your life or another. I hope you don't ever face that. If you did your opinion on law enforcement would be different, or shit life in general would change. I don't hate you or your cause whatever that maybe. But I know this about you. Your a weak individual who would rather spend time lying or posting about shit your young dumb ass has no idea about.
Now what has happened in Minneapolis was uncalled for. I dont condone any act of killing another human being. Regardless of the situation. Don't misconstrue that. It was terrible and those who commit crimes should be punished.
In closing I'd like to say your a little bitch who loves attention and has no idea how the real world works. I have faced a lot of adversity in my life. Including damn near dying from something I don't care to talk about. I have lost a parent and grandparents. I have endured hardships you couldnt dream about. Know what. I didn't ask for a hand out. I didn't ask for shit. I went and made myself just like my brother who protects assholes like you ever day.
So 17 you, you brat


Did I strike a nerve?

Ever had a gun pulled on me? Yep. Well, technically my friends and me and not specifically me. Feared for my life? Yep. We were play basketball at the park 30 minutes past closing time and Deputy Dipshit decided the most reasonable way to run us off was at gunpoint. I had never been run out of that same park any of the numerous times a baseball game ran long. I guess the difference was it was pickup basketball and not organized with the park. Yea that's why the cop came out with gun raised telling us that if we didn't leave immediately that he would arrest us for trespassing. Didn't piss my pants. Calmly walked back to the car with hands up and left.

You really want to keep doubling down on this I didn't go to Minneapolis narrative. Like it was a short drive away from me. I went the first weekend. I seen it. I was tear gassed there. I came back to my city and was tear gassed here. It's reality. Idk why reality makes you upset at me? I'm not the one who tear gassed anyone. I'm not the one who violated the geneva convention.

Cool for admitting it was bad and agreeing that killing of any kind is bad. That's kind of the point of the protests and amendments 5, 8, and 14.

I don't know how you having horrible things happen to you makes me a liar? I've lost a parent and 3 grandparents already. Watch the death of one parent cause my other to go into deep depression. Was by no means a quick death. Slow deterioration with medical bills that caused bankruptcy. My father was too prideful to ask for any handouts too for a while Until he gave in after he opened up to our pastor and shared just how bad the situation was. I guess you're like him and see "handouts" as weak. Well that's such a sad way to view society. It's not a handout. It's people working together to pull someone up from the gutters. There's no shame in asking for help when you need it. My fathers sickness was through no fault of his own. He likely doesn't make it past 7 without the goodwill of others.

Hating people who need help and can't help themselves is such a weird elitist hill to die on. Do you just want to cull off people in general who are weak and can't provide physical labor to society? Who have to be hooked up to a ****ing machine in front of their kids 5 days a week just to ****ing live?

Calling me a brat. Amazing. The only things that I've ever asked for myself is 5 more minutes with my father and that my mother not worry and break down over losing her husband as she watched him either into nothing.

So yea, being a victim of the system and seeing how unjust it is... sorry you haven't gone through what I've went through or could even ****ing fathom what the **** it's like to not be able to do shit about it. To hear a bunch of ducking idiots talk about pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Guess what **** faces. I did and I graduated from the best ******* university in the state of Mississippi. I got me a well paying job. I got myself into a comfortable place. I'm working to get my momma into a comfortable place. Still no amount of bootstrap pulling can mitigate the hurt and have prevented it. So, when I fight for injustice in this country, I fight in my father's honor. No one should ever have to go through what I and my family endured.

Horrible shit happens in this country every day. And I'm the villain for wanting to stop it. I'm a spoiled brat for that. Wow.


Damn... Alright yall both take a few days off.. i thought one of you were gonna put each other on ignore.

[ScoobaDawg]

Nope I'm openly saying I wish you'd stfu. You make every thread political and ruin the board. Fact.

And he will.. for a week. If that doesn't work and he can't remain civil.. it will be longer.

Come on July 6th for camp reports.