MSU Athletic Dept Employees

[MafiaDawg]

If our Ath dept worked half as hard at creating a gameday experience and getting fans in the game on time as they do at getting woke points, we may actually get to watch the first quarter and want to stay the whole game. This goes from the top down I am afraid.

[bulldawg28]

Booooooooo! Weak post.

[ShotgunDawg]

If our Ath dept worked half as hard at creating a gameday experience and getting fans in the game on time as they do at getting woke points, we may actually get to watch the first quarter and want to stay the whole game. This goes from the top down I am afraid.

Pretty terrible post.

If I've got to explain why, then it's a lost cause for you anyway.

[chef dixon]

How horrible must it be to try and understand the perspectives of and support 90% of our players? That I will never understand.

[vv83]

If our Ath dept worked half as hard at creating a gameday experience and getting fans in the game on time as they do at getting woke points, we may actually get to watch the first quarter and want to stay the whole game. This goes from the top down I am afraid.

Get this shit out of here

[hp22]

As bad a post as youll see in the offseason

[Hambone]

Just here before the lock

[Ifyouonlyknew]

FOH

[MafiaDawg]

Just explain how what I said was false.

[ShotgunDawg]

Just explain how what I said was false.

Because the difference in priority between the two issues Is immeasurable. To compare them in the same sentence is really difficult to do if you have any sympathy for the African American issues in this country.

[KOdawg1]

Gtfo of here. One is a game, the other is people's lives. You're a piece of shit if you can't see the difference

[dantheman4248]

Today Elitedawgs gave me faith in the posters of this board and Starkville itself did as well. Good day to be a bulldog imo

[MafiaDawg]

You all are misinterpreting. The 2 things are not mutually exclusive. Also it is their jobs. Both can be important to them.

[chef dixon]

Hey at least sixpackspeak is eating it up with likes for you. Not surprising

[Jack Lambert]

I watch the whole first quarter and stay for the entire game. I don't knw what you are talking about.

[Turfdawg67]

Hey at least sixpackspeak is eating it up with likes for you. Not surprising

Ha! Yep, not surprising at all.

[Fred Garvin]

Awful post.

[MafiaDawg]

I watch the whole first quarter and stay for the entire game. I don't knw what you are talking about.

If you think our ath dept has done a good job of facilitating getting people in the game and our game day experience has not taken a downward spiral then I need to borrow your maroon goggles. All I am saying is I wish they would focus on their actual jobs as hard as they do promoting social justice warrior issues on company time.

[msu15]

If you think our ath dept has done a good job of facilitating getting people in the game and our game day experience has not taken a downward spiral then I need to borrow your maroon goggles. All I am saying is I wish they would focus on their actual jobs as hard as they do promoting social justice warrior issues on company time.
Oh my gosh, somebody ban him.

[Captain Falcon]

We have a very large amount of athletes on campus that are African American, and coaches and programs are getting called out for slip ups related to this every day. You don?t want that to be us. If nothing else it?s a sign of solidarity with the athletes.

[MafiaDawg]

Oh my gosh, somebody ban him.

Ban me because I have an opinion that may differ from yours? Sounds tolerant.

[Jack Lambert]

If you think our ath dept has done a good job of facilitating getting people in the game and our game day experience has not taken a downward spiral then I need to borrow your maroon goggles. All I am saying is I wish they would focus on their actual jobs as hard as they do promoting social justice warrior issues on company time.

I enjoy going to the game. i have enough sense to understand that I need to arrive early so I am not stuck in the line to inter the metal detectors the SEC is requiring us to use. Every school is going to have the same problem. We are only putting at most 60K. Think what LSU is going to have to go through. What do you want them to do about it? Give your solution. Better yet email Cohen with it but if you are not a bulldawg club member don't be surprise is he doesn't respond and if you are not club member maybe you should join and donate money to help with your solution.

[MafiaDawg]

We have a very large amount of athletes on campus that are African American, and coaches and programs are getting called out for slip ups related to this every day. You don?t want that to be us. If nothing else it?s a sign of solidarity with the athletes.

Again, I did not say don?t try and tote the line to not ?slip up? or be supportive. I just wish they would focus on their day jobs half as hard. This last year was a cluster17 in every way imaginable from a game mgmt standpoint. Not sure why no one seems to get that.

[MafiaDawg]

nm

[MafiaDawg]

I enjoy going to the game. i have enough sense to understand that I need to arrive early so I am not stuck in the line to inter the metal detectors the SEC is requiring us to use. Every school is going to have the same problem. We are only putting at most 60K. Think what LSU is going to have to go through. What do you want them to do about it? Give your solution. Better yet email Cohen with it but if you are not a bulldawg club member don't be surprise is he doesn't respond and if you are not club member maybe you should join and donate money to help with your solution.

My solution is to get more metal detectors. Ever been to a saints game and seen the crowd from champions square file in like clockwork in a matter of minutes? Bulldog club member, ticket holder, emailed him already yada yada yada. Checked all the boxes. They told me they do not plan on adding more metal detectors. Hence the reason for my bitching.

[RocketDawg]

I enjoy going to the game. i have enough sense to understand that I need to arrive early so I am not stuck in the line to inter the metal detectors the SEC is requiring us to use. Every school is going to have the same problem. We are only putting at most 60K. Think what LSU is going to have to go through. What do you want them to do about it? Give your solution. Better yet email Cohen with it but if you are not a bulldawg club member don't be surprise is he doesn't respond and if you are not club member maybe you should join and donate money to help with your solution.

True, and realize you're not going to be able to leave the tailgate 5 minutes before kickoff and still get in on time. And everybody complained about refreshment prices. Prices were dropped, and service level dropped. Presumably the parents don't man the refreshment stands like they do in tee ball, or even high school.

[Jack Lambert]

My solution is to get more metal detectors. Ever been to a saints game and seen the crowd from champions square file in like clockwork in a matter of minutes? Bulldog club member, ticket holder, emailed him already yada yada yada. Checked all the boxes. They told me they do not plan on adding more metal detectors. Hence the reason for my bitching.

Where would you add them. Note: I use to sit on the East side and the North End of the East Side was never waiting. It was fast entry even 10 before kick off. I sit on West side now I don't know where they would put the Metal detectors.

[TimberBeast]

This is an absolute lie

[MafiaDawg]

Where would you add them. Note: I use to sit on the East side and the North End of the East Side was never waiting. It was fast entry even 10 before kick off. I sit on West side now I don't know where they would put the Metal detectors.

I would add them right next to the ones that are already there. Putting them anywhere else would not make a whole lot of sense now would it?

[Jarius]

The best part about all of this is that there is no more leg to stand on with keeping the economy, to include large gatherings, closed down for any reason at all. Open everything up in full force. I’m just glad that we were able to go from “you are going to kill my grandpa” to “you are a racist if you don’t support protest gatherings in mass” in just two short weeks.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

We have a very large amount of athletes on campus that are African American, and coaches and programs are getting called out for slip ups related to this every day. You don?t want that to be us. If nothing else it?s a sign of solidarity with the athletes.

If these African Americans didn't play football, half this board or more would not give a shit what their opinion is. How far are you willing to go to show solidarity? If not supporting BLM means I can't be a good MSU fan, oh well.

[RocketDawg]

The best part about all of this is that there is no more leg to stand on with keeping the economy, to include large gatherings, closed down for any reason at all. Open everything up in full force. I’m just glad that we were able to go from “you are going to kill my grandpa” to “you are a racist if you don’t support protest gatherings in mass” in just two short weeks.

Kinda makes you wonder what's coming next, huh?

[bulldawg28]

If these African Americans didn't play football, half this board or more would not give a shit what their opinion is. How far are you willing to go to show solidarity? If not supporting BLM means I can't be a good MSU fan, oh well.

It speaks volumes to your character which should be your 1st priority. You probably should change your avatar pic. He's black you know you and you don't support black lives. There is no separation.

[dantheman4248]

Instead of preaching “can’t believe people are out protesting during a pandemic, it’s disgusting”, change that to “isn’t it disgusting that people have to protest at all, never mind during a pandemic, for their basic human rights in 2020”.

It's also hilarious to say you support the team but not that their lives matter. If he gets killed by a hate crime oh well next man up and "you better perform for the people who pay for your livelihood, boy."

[bulldawg28]

Instead of preaching “can’t believe people are out protesting during a pandemic, it’s disgusting”, change that to “isn’t it disgusting that people have to protest at all, never mind during a pandemic, for their basic human rights in 2020”.

It's also hilarious to say you support the team but not that their lives matter. If he gets killed by a hate crime oh well next man up and "you better perform for the people who pay for your livelihood, boy."

Yep, pure replica of Ole Mississippi.

[Todd4State]

Keeping the political bullshit out of it- the AD does need to do a better job on football gameday.

If they can get the concessions together and the metal detector situation handled I will be impressed. Not to mention traffic.

[confucius say]

Instead of preaching “can’t believe people are out protesting during a pandemic, it’s disgusting”, change that to “isn’t it disgusting that people have to protest at all, never mind during a pandemic, for their basic human rights in 2020”.

It's also hilarious to say you support the team but not that their lives matter. If he gets killed by a hate crime oh well next man up and "you better perform for the people who pay for your livelihood, boy."

To be fair, there is a difference between supporting black lives and their worth vs supporting the black lives matter group. I had the difference explained to me today (by a black person).

I would need to hear more about his position before assuming, as you did, that he doesn't think the lives of black people matter just bc he doesn't support BLM.

[bulldawg28]

To be fair, there is a difference between supporting black lives and their worth vs supporting the black lives matter group. I had the difference explained to me today (by a black person).

I would need to hear more about his position before assuming, as you did, that he doesn't think the lives of black people matter just bc he doesn't support BLM.

As a black person there is no separation. The group was formed for black equality. The media has spun it to create another narrative.

[Jarius]

Instead of preaching “can’t believe people are out protesting during a pandemic, it’s disgusting”, change that to “isn’t it disgusting that people have to protest at all, never mind during a pandemic, for their basic human rights in 2020”.

It's also hilarious to say you support the team but not that their lives matter. If he gets killed by a hate crime oh well next man up and "you better perform for the people who pay for your livelihood, boy."

It was pretty disgusting 2 weeks ago that people got told they were pieces of shit for protesting for their right to put food on the table and not starve to death. I support everyone’s right to protest, to include BLM. It’s ridiculous that it took a protest from people that the main stream media sides with in order for everyone to get told it’s ok to go outside and live their lives. I’m sure in another week when the American people who have the attention span of a goldfish forget about BLM we will go back to being pieces of shit for not wearing masks and hiding in a bunker for eternity.

[confucius say]

As a black person there is no separation. The group was formed for black equality. The media has spun it to create another narrative.

Go to the BLM website and click on the what we believe tab. It's original mission "was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes." It also says it began as a response "to anti black racism." So i think it was formed for two reasons, police violence against blacks and racism against blacks.

Regardless, the person I was listening to def supported BLM's purpose and supports black equality. Her issue was that she believed BLM is not following through on its purpose of helping black people.

[bulldawg28]

Go to the BLM website and click on the what we believe tab. It's original mission "was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes." It also says it began as a response "to anti black racism." So i think it was formed for two reasons, police violence against blacks and racism against blacks.

Regardless, the person I was listening to def supported BLM's purpose and supports black equality. Her issue was that she believed BLM is not following through on its purpose of helping black people.

Promises are/would be legislation driven. The movement up until recently was twisted to be a hate group. There is no way legislative change could take place. I appreciate your openess to even have these sort of conversations.

[The Federalist Engineer]

If our Ath dept worked half as hard at creating a gameday experience and getting fans in the game on time as they do at getting woke points, we may actually get to watch the first quarter and want to stay the whole game. This goes from the top down I am afraid.

Gotta do it. A Mississippi school would be top of the CNN news feed if they did not make a statement.

Plus, who is actually "pro-Racism" and "pro-Fascism"? It actually angers the ANTIFA terrorist for Budweiser, Boeing, and MSU to say, yeah we believe in equality under the law. Those guys are scouring for an institution to attack and wreck.

We should be pumping up that we have the US Grant Presidential library.

[dantheman4248]

It was pretty disgusting 2 weeks ago that people got told they were pieces of shit for protesting for their right to put food on the table and not starve to death. I support everyone?s right to protest, to include BLM. It?s ridiculous that it took a protest from people that the main stream media sides with in order for everyone to get told it?s ok to go outside and live their lives. I?m sure in another week when the American people who have the attention span of a goldfish forget about BLM we will go back to being pieces of shit for not wearing masks and hiding in a bunker for eternity.

I think you might wanna re-read that first paragraph of mine again and think what all that actually encompasses.

Because people were NOT protesting for those reasons two weeks ago. It was for the ability to do things of the ilk of getting haircuts. The people affected in the ways you describe were few and far between that were out the protesting. And the fact that you're protesting for the ability to work for less than just compensation instead of protesting for just compensation shows just how lost some of those people are. If the government was going to deem we couldn't be out like before it should have taken care of its people that it's meant to serve. Instead it was busy stockpiling tear gas.

[Captain Falcon]

If these African Americans didn't play football, half this board or more would not give a shit what their opinion is. How far are you willing to go to show solidarity? If not supporting BLM means I can't be a good MSU fan, oh well.

Different dynamic with fans and the school/athletic department. Players make the school money, and they?re around coaches every day during the season, so I get the coaches and administration wanting to show solidarity. And frankly you do have some people in our administration who are more left wing and would participate in things like this anyway.

I don?t think players care nearly as much about what fans think socially or politically as what their coaches and people within the program and the school think. And frankly as a fan I don?t care a whole lot about what players, coaches, and administration thinks politically as long as it doesn?t hurt the program. It really doesn?t matter to me that the Cohen?s are known to be quite liberal and Leach is known to be a conservative Trump supporter. And I say that as someone who is pretty conservative myself.

[confucius say]

Promises are/would be legislation driven. The movement up until recently was twisted to be a hate group. There is no way legislative change could take place. I appreciate your openess to even have these sort of conversations.

I've never known much about BLM until I started reading about it recently. I don't support everything it's website is promoting (like defunding the police), but definitely not a hate group. I just hope we can all start listening to others more.

One last thing: Our state is in a unique position to be the leader and an example for other states on how to love everybody and all live together, even when we disagree on things, because of our demographics (we are 38% Black and 4% Hispanic as opposed to a place like MN that is 6% black-we actually all live together every day!). Everybody just respect and love your fellow man damn it!

[Jarius]

I think you might wanna re-read that first paragraph of mine again and think what all that actually encompasses.

Because people were NOT protesting for those reasons two weeks ago. It was for the ability to do things of the ilk of getting haircuts. The people affected in the ways you describe were few and far between that were out the protesting. And the fact that you're protesting for the ability to work for less than just compensation instead of protesting for just compensation shows just how lost some of those people are. If the government was going to deem we couldn't be out like before it should have taken care of its people that it's meant to serve. Instead it was busy stockpiling tear gas.

What are you talking about? We had a barbershop owner on our local news begging the governor to open things up so he could run his business. You are a hypocrite and uninformed. Yes, people wanted to go out and there were those protesters out as well. So what? A right to protest peacefully should be the same across the board. Not just if you agree with the reasoning. We don’t get to pick and choose which ones are more important protests. That’s not how any of this works. A LOT of people were out because they were “nonessential” and not able to make a living. My parents could not work and could not get government assistance because salon workers and people who filed taxes by mail were not getting their assistance. Anyone that had a problem with them protesting and not a problem with the current protests is a piece of garbage. Period. End of discussion. The people that are protesting now DESERVE to protest over this. It’s their right as an American. A virus that isn’t deadly to nearly everyone in the country should not prevent them from that. It should not have 2 weeks ago either.

[chef dixon]

The issue is that this is only political if you make it political. This is a basic human rights issue. Do you really think people like Kylin Hill or 99% of the black athletes speaking up right now actually have a political agenda? Get out of here with that. There obviously is a systemic racism issue, or at minimum perceived across the board by black Americans. Now whether or not you agree with that is your problem. At minimum as a fellow citizen that claims "everyone is equal" you hear them out, but how on earth any MSU fan could make criticize our administration for supporting our student athletes in this situation is mind boggling. I'd criticize them if they didn't, but that's just me.

[bulldawg28]

I've never known much about BLM until I started reading about it recently. I don't support everything it's website is promoting (like defunding the police), but definitely not a hate group. I just hope we can all start listening to others more.

One last thing: Our state is in a unique position to be the leader and an example for other states on how to love everybody and all live together, even when we disagree on things, because of our demographics (we are 38% Black and 4% Hispanic as opposed to a place like MN that is 6% black-we actually all live together every day!). Everybody just respect and love your fellow man damn it!

It wouldn't allow me to rep you but I agree 100%. Humans should be intelligent enough to love past differences.

[bluelightstar]

The issue is that this is only political if you make it political. This is a basic human rights issue. Do you really think people like Kylin Hill or 99% of the black athletes speaking up right now actually have a political agenda? Get out of here with that. There obviously is a systemic racism issue, or at minimum perceived across the board by black Americans. Now whether or not you agree with that is your problem. At minimum as a fellow citizen that claims "everyone is equal" you hear them out, but how on earth any MSU fan could make criticize our administration for supporting our student athletes in this situation is mind boggling. I'd criticize them if they didn't, but that's just me.

Agreed - the unsettling concern here is that ?racial equality? and stopping incidents of police brutality are ?political? and ?hot-button? issues to some people.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Because the difference in priority between the two issues Is immeasurable. To compare them in the same sentence is really difficult to do if you have any sympathy for the African American issues in this country.

But if they did work that hard, maybe we would get to see the first quarter of the egg bowl in 2021.
Although it's a shitty point, it still is a point. Not to say anything supporting minorities is wrong in any way. The point is still valid.

All that to say, don't minimize people trying to show solidarity with minorities right now. It is 50 years beyond time to fix that crap.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I've never known much about BLM until I started reading about it recently. I don't support everything it's website is promoting (like defunding the police), but definitely not a hate group. I just hope we can all start listening to others more.

One last thing: Our state is in a unique position to be the leader and an example for other states on how to love everybody and all live together, even when we disagree on things, because of our demographics (we are 38% Black and 4% Hispanic as opposed to a place like MN that is 6% black-we actually all live together every day!). Everybody just respect and love your fellow man damn it!

Perfect.

[MafiaDawg]

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force?fbclid=IwAR2Nk7zIDluYjmXAmMRCfFxHICv1xTUJ2zq A05OPOrDb616BbImOJAdMPeo

?On the most extreme use of force, officer-involved shootings, we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account?

Do not let facts get in the way of a good argument. You have all been duped by the media.

This is beside the point how our athletic administration department really sucked at their jobs last year.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

It speaks volumes to your character which should be your 1st priority. You probably should change your avatar pic. He's black you know you and you don't support black lives. There is no separation.

Extremes are dangerous. You still claiming Garrett Shrader is a racist or you backing down?

[dantheman4248]

What are you talking about? We had a barbershop owner on our local news begging the governor to open things up so he could run his business. You are a hypocrite and uninformed. Yes, people wanted to go out and there were those protesters out as well. So what? A right to protest peacefully should be the same across the board. Not just if you agree with the reasoning. We don’t get to pick and choose which ones are more important protests. That’s not how any of this works. A LOT of people were out because they were “nonessential” and not able to make a living. My parents could not work and could not get government assistance because salon workers and people who filed taxes by mail were not getting their assistance. Anyone that had a problem with them protesting and not a problem with the current protests is a piece of garbage. Period. End of discussion. The people that are protesting now DESERVE to protest over this. It’s their right as an American. A virus that isn’t deadly to nearly everyone in the country should not prevent them from that. It should not have 2 weeks ago either.

What part of "few and far between" makes you think bringing up one example proves me wrong?

I swear some of you really perpetuate the Mississippi can't read stereotype and it's mad annoying. Be better.

And actually the way the first amendment works is we have the right to say the way you are using your first amendment rights sucks dick. What it doesn't allow for is the mandatory curfews and violence towards people peacefully protesting.

[bulldawg28]

Extremes are dangerous. You still claiming Garrett Shrader is a racist or you backing down?

I shouldn't even respond to your ignorance. Go back to neg repping and name calling there. I bet it made you feel good huh? Lol

Shrader's career is almost done at MSU just like your prehistoric mindset.

[Maroonthirteen]

Tony Timpa.

[Jarius]

What part of "few and far between" makes you think bringing up one example proves me wrong?

I swear some of you really perpetuate the Mississippi can't read stereotype and it's mad annoying. Be better.

And actually the way the first amendment works is we have the right to say the way you are using your first amendment rights sucks dick. What it doesn't allow for is the mandatory curfews and violence towards people peacefully protesting.

What on earth makes you believe that you have any idea how many people were protesting because they couldn't get a haircut compared to who couldn't make a living? What's "mad annoying" is someone whining about people protesting about not being able to make a living (or being able to go out of their house for 3 months over a virus with a 99 % survival rate) and turning around and having a double standard for a protest that they support. It's "mad annoying" that there are people in this world with that sort of attitude. The BLM protests need to be heard. Whether or not the stats fly in the face of everything they are protesting (they do), people that don't agree that there is systemic racism (me) need to listen and hear out black people that almost 100 % say that is an issue in this country. I owe that to them. The same was true when my family could not earn a living and I had to pay for myself and my 3 kids and then turn around and pay for my parents to not go under because our government didn't take care of them. Just because it doesn't affect you or you don't agree with the stance doesn't mean you should be a piece of shit and tell people that their voice does not deserve to be heard through peaceful protest. You are allowed to say my opinion sucks dick. You should not say that because my opinion sucks dick I should not be allowed to exercise my right to a peaceful protest. Be better than that.

[dantheman4248]

Because unlike some people on this board I went to both of my cities protests to have dialogue and support the one that made sense. 95% of the people that paraded around the capitol here just wanted to be able to go out again.

And I don't know what persecution complex you have. No one said you couldn't protest. They said you were disgusting for protesting in that manner for those things. Again that's how the first amendment works. The only suppression of protests going on are the police suppressing these. Notice how ones with less police presence are somehow less violent?

[Jarius]

Because unlike some people on this board I went to both of my cities protests to have dialogue and support the one that made sense. 95% of the people that paraded around the capitol here just wanted to be able to go out again.

And I don't know what persecution complex you have. No one said you couldn't protest. They said you were disgusting for protesting in that manner for those things. Again that's how the first amendment works. The only suppression of protests going on are the police suppressing these. Notice how ones with less police presence are somehow less violent?

Telling people that they are disgusted that they are protesting is in fact saying that you think they should not be protesting. You are talking out both sides of your mouth. There is more of a police presence at one because one group has burned down cities and one has not. Are you being intentionally obtuse? The national guard was brought in and the looting stopped, not the other way around. Shocker.

[confucius say]

What on earth makes you believe that you have any idea how many people were protesting because they couldn't get a haircut compared to who couldn't make a living? What's "mad annoying" is someone whining about people protesting about not being able to make a living (or being able to go out of their house for 3 months over a virus with a 99 % survival rate) and turning around and having a double standard for a protest that they support. It's "mad annoying" that there are people in this world with that sort of attitude. The BLM protests need to be heard. Whether or not the stats fly in the face of everything they are protesting (they do), people that don't agree that there is systemic racism (me) need to listen and hear out black people that almost 100 % say that is an issue in this country. I owe that to them. The same was true when my family could not earn a living and I had to pay for myself and my 3 kids and then turn around and pay for my parents to not go under because our government didn't take care of them. Just because it doesn't affect you or you don't agree with the stance doesn't mean you should be a piece of shit and tell people that their voice does not deserve to be heard through peaceful protest. You are allowed to say my opinion sucks dick. You should not say that because my opinion sucks dick I should not be allowed to exercise my right to a peaceful protest. Be better than that.

You have to love the irony of you saying both protest should happen even though you don't agree with the purpose of one, while he says your protest is disgusting and shouldn't happen. Come on dan. Tolerance has to be a two way street.

[dantheman4248]

Again. I am not suppressing you. I have first amendment rights to say what I think of your use of your first amendment rights. That's not suppression. That's opinion. Freedom of speech does not mean you are free from criticism of that speech.

There were not curfews in place and violent police brutality to stop those protests.

Notice how in cities where there were riots that when the police left (for instance buffalo) the violence went down last week? While places like Seattle maintained. It's almost like a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

If I was talking out of two sides of my mouth I'd want laws to stop you. I don't. I just think those protests were misguided and the people who were protesting were sad for doing them for the wrong reasons.

[confucius say]

If I was talking out of two sides of my mouth I'd want laws to stop you. I don't. I just think those protests were misguided and the people who were protesting were sad for doing them for the wrong reasons.

So you support everyone's right to protest. Good.

But if you support the reasons for the protest then that protest is worthy of occurring during a pandemic, while if you disagree with the reasons for the protest then that protest is not worthy of occurring during a pandemic? You seem to think whether or not people SHOULD protest (should, not whether they lawfully may) is determined by how you feel about the reasons for the protest. That is not tolerance.

[dantheman4248]

So would you say you're not tolerant of my levels of tolerance? That is not tolerant.

(See where this stupid rabbit hole leads? Tolerance isn't the law.)

I'm free to criticize and spend my money as I please. So is everyone in this country. You can have your opinions and I can say they're stupid.

[Jarius]

So you support everyone's right to protest. Good.

But if you support the reasons for the protest then that protest is worthy of occurring during a pandemic, while if you disagree with the reasons for the protest then that protest is not worthy of occurring during a pandemic? You seem to think whether or not people SHOULD protest (should, not whether they lawfully may) is determined by how you feel about the reasons for the protest. That is not tolerance.

Just let him have the last word. The mental gymnastics he’s willing to do in order to justify his bigotry is at a point of no return.

[confucius say]

So would you say you're not tolerant of my levels of tolerance? That is not tolerant.

(See where this stupid rabbit hole leads? Tolerance isn't the law.)

I'm free to criticize and spend my money as I please. So is everyone in this country. You can have your opinions and I can say they're stupid.

I Fully understand it's not the law. Just like it's not against the law to be racist. Just bc you have an individual right to be a certain way doesn't mean you should be that way.

I also fully understand that you espouse notions of equal rights and that we should view all people equally, but what you really seem to mean is that everyone should think like you, and what you just admitted to is your belief that if they don't think the same way as you then they should not protest in support of their beliefs and they are stupid. That's the narrow-minded BS that has stunted growth in this country for decades. You don't have to agree with one's reasons for protesting, but to tell them they are stupid and should not protest something they truly believe in stunts growth in this country.

[StateDawg44]

I Fully understand it's not the law. Just like it's not against the law to be racist. Just bc you have an individual right to be a certain way doesn't mean you should be that way.

I also fully understand that you espouse notions of equal rights and that we should view all people equally, but what you really seem to mean is that everyone should think like you, and what you just admitted to is your belief that if they don't think the same way as you then they should not protest in support of their beliefs and they are stupid. That's the narrow-minded BS that has stunted growth in this country for decades. You don't have to agree with one's reasons for protesting, but to tell them they are stupid and should not protest something they truly believe in stunts growth in this country.

Total waste of your time going back and forth with this guy.

[dantheman4248]

You don't have to agree with one's reasons for protesting, but to tell them they are stupid and should not protest something they truly believe in stunts growth in this country.

You can protest for Mississippi to change its flag because you think it should one with pink hearts and fairies because you live there and those are your favorite things. Thinking that protest is stupid doesn't stunt the growth of the country. It's a valid protest that we shouldn't have a loser flag be part of our flag, just like it's a valid protest that people shouldn't be negatively affected by the governments decisions during a pandemic. (By valid protest I mean that it's valid under first amendment. Not just valid reasoning).

The solutions proposed, I feel are stupid. They are missing the point entirely. I'm totally on board that the government shouldn't **** you over during this pandemic. But protesting the thing we deemed as not doable instead of protesting for a compromise that fixes the new issue while not hampering anyone else is a much better reason to protest in my opinion.

My thinking that your reasons / solutions is no good isn't stunting growth. It's fostering a dialogue if you allow it. Dissenting opinions should be met with "Why?" not "**** you." That's the real stunting of growth. I did the asking why. If you want to do something that negatively affects me and my family maybe you shouldn't be so narrow minded. Ask, and listen when I tell you why. Then once you've heard and you still ignore that proves there was no growth to be had. Vice versa for myself. (Though I tend to believe that the only reasonings that are even mildly acceptable against my solutions are "too much government regulation" (fair, agree to disagree here) and "too much money spent" (money printer go brrrr, so I don't see this as an issue)).

[confucius say]

I agree with the asking why.l and listening part. And I agree that a person can listen and not have his mind changed. Where we disagree is the next step: I say, even though I think you're wrong, go ahead and peacefully protest over the reasons you deem important to you, while it appears you say I don't agree with you and you should not protest over those reasons even if they are important to you.

[dantheman4248]

I agree with the asking why.l and listening part. And I agree that a person can listen and not have his mind changed. Where we disagree is the next step: I say, even though I think you're wrong, go ahead and peacefully protest over the reasons you deem important to you, while it appears you say I don't agree with you and you should not protest over those reasons even if they are important to you.

In a vacuum I agree with everything here. In a pandemic where shit is haywire and we were supposed to be minimizing social distancing, it blurs the line a bit and I feel it's fair to shame people having protests for improper reasons.

We really seem to agree on most points except that last step like you said. Honestly wouldn't shit on them for being out but just specifically being stupid instead if the pandemic wasn't a thing. And we can agree to disagree on that blurring. I can totally understand why you don't want to blur it and see that as wrong.

See Jarius, this is what happens when you read someone else's posts and don't be a twat spouting off at one sentence. Progress is made after a discussion. We understand each other better and are actually a lot closer ideologically than you would have thought at the start of the conversation.

[confucius say]

In a vacuum I agree with everything here. In a pandemic where shit is haywire and we were supposed to be minimizing social distancing, it blurs the line a bit and I feel it's fair to shame people having protests for improper reasons.

We really seem to agree on most points except that last step like you said. Honestly wouldn't shit on them for being out but just specifically being stupid instead if the pandemic wasn't a thing. And we can agree to disagree on that blurring. I can totally understand why you don't want to blur it and see that as wrong.

See Jarius, this is what happens when you read someone else's posts and don't be a twat spouting off at one sentence. Progress is made after a discussion. We understand each other better and are actually a lot closer ideologically than you would have thought at the start of the conversation.

Yea the only issue I have with blurring the line is I don't want to say whose reasons are worthy enough to protest during a pandemic and whose are not.

Good talk. God bless. Hail state.

[Jarius]

Total waste of your time going back and forth with this guy.

Yep.