Notes from Rosebowl's Boneyard

[ShotgunDawg]

- Started hearing rumors of JJ leaving on Monday
- Believes Lovett situation is directly related to coaching change.
- Has no bad feelings about Stewart Reese. Believes it directly related to getting closer to home.
- Mississippi State is taking steps to protect the program. There will be an investigation by MSU into possible tampering by Ole Miss
- Rumors about a party that our players were invited to (John Doe)
- The SEC office has been notified about the situation & will be looking into the matter.
- Doesn't know all the facts just yet
- Ole Miss is in full blown desperation mode right now.
- Eat at Bulldog Burger
- People think Lane Kiffin is a good recruiter. He is not.
- Ole Miss only has 3 commits & one is thinking about flipping to MSU. They are desperate
- On Monday, MSU was made aware that Jones was in Oxford working out with Ole Miss players. That night MSU staffers contacted JJ & he said there was nothing to it & he wasn't going anywhere.
- Eat at Bulldog Burger
- Tampering can also involve boosters, not just coaches. Ole Miss can be put on probation for boosters being involved in tampering
- Players can also be accomplices to tampering
- Former coaches texting & contacting former players is tampering. level 2 violation
- there a lot of people that can't help themselves. They brag to people about what they did
- Eat at Bulldog Burger
- Mississippi State & Ole Miss play the Egg Bowl everyday. We are always at war. Everyday an MSU employee wakes up they must know that there is an Ole Miss person that is looking to embarrass them. They MUST know that

[Captain Falcon]

So Jones lied to our coaches about working out in Oxford?

Well bye.

[ShotgunDawg]

So Jones lied to our coaches about working out in Oxford?

Well bye.

I think he lied to them on Monday about not transferring.

[ShotgunDawg]

Just reading the tea leaves here, I think the investigation will show that Jones had contact with Ole Miss boosters & Ole Miss will then back out of taking him as they can't afford to mess with more violations.

Then JJ will end up at Oregon or something like that.

IMO, that's the best case scenario for us as that will hopefully will prevent them from recruiting players off our roster again.

I just don't think JJ would be a take for LSU, Bama, UGA, etc. Maybe Florida, Auburn, or Tennessee.

What will be interesting is if the investigation asks for Terrell Buckley's phone records

[Homedawg]

Just reading the tea leaves here, I think the investigation will show that Jones had contact with Ole Miss boosters & Ole Miss will then back out of taking him as they can't afford to mess with more violations.

Then JJ will end up at Oregon or something like that.

IMO, that's the best case scenario for us as that will hopefully will prevent them from recruiting players off our roster again.

I just don't think JJ would be a take for LSU, Bama, UGA, etc. Maybe Florida, Auburn, or Tennessee.

What will be interesting is if the investigation asks for Terrell Buckley's phone records

You think Ole Miss is going to back away?? really????

[ShotgunDawg]

You think Ole Miss is going to back away?? really????

They may be forced to back away.

[ShotgunDawg]

Would be great if JoMo could do us one favor & just get both Jones & Lovett to Eugene.

We'd get two extra scholarships to get "Leach guys" & Ole Miss wouldn't benefit from our misfortune.

I think JJ & Lovett are SEC caliber players & talents, but I don't think either was a "Leach guy" in the way they did things & don't think Leach will win big at MSU until he as many Leach guys as possible.

Thus, opening up two schollies for him to acquire his type of player, may be OK in the long run.

[StateDawg44]

Lovett just needs to go ahead and pick a school and let the NCAA rule him eligible immediately so our bet will come to an end.

You need a month break. Can't belive how bad you are melting but at the same time saying he wasn't good any ways.

[Jack Lambert]

You think Ole Miss is going to back away?? really????

Yes they will back away from JJ.

[ShotgunDawg]

Lovett just needs to go ahead and pick a school and let the NCAA rule him eligible immediately so our bet will come to an end.

You need a month break. Can't belive how bad you are melting but at the same time saying he wasn't good any ways.

Sheesh.

[Homedawg]

Yes they will back away from JJ.

They aren't going to back away. No reason to...

[ShotgunDawg]

They aren't going to back away. No reason to...

No reason YET

[Mickey]

I like the “Eat at Bulldog Burger” part

[KB21]

I suddenly have the desire to eat at Bulldog Burger.

[Homedawg]

No reason YET

Go w what you say.... fine...

[Ezsoil]

"What will be interesting is if the investigation asks for Terrell Buckley's phone records"

I'm sure he has invested in a burner phone

[ShotgunDawg]

If Jones wanted to return...

Would you take him &, if your Leach, how do you handle that?

For me, he'd have to speak in front of the team at a meeting & plead his case to come back.

Then, I'd tell him to leave & the next day let the team vote on whether or not to take him back.

You simply can't just let him back on the team without some formal apology to his teammates & repercussions. Deserting your teammates is wrong & there must be consequences.

Frankly, from everything I've read about Leach, I don't think Leach would take him back. Just doesn't seem like his personality

[KOdawg1]

Let the team vote. He quit on them so they should be the ones who decide if he can come back. If they're cool with it, so am I

[ShotgunDawg]

Let the team vote. He quit on them so they should be the ones who decide if he can come back. If they're cool with it, so am I

I'm just not sure Leach works that way.

I could see Leach trying to make an example of someone & telling him to pound sand.

He knows he has to get the culture right & making an example of a good player, may be right up his ally.

[Homedawg]

"What will be interesting is if the investigation asks for Terrell Buckley's phone records"

I'm sure he has invested in a burner phone

Every coach has a burner....

[Homedawg]

If Jones wanted to return...

Would you take him &, if your Leach, how do you handle that?

For me, he'd have to speak in front of the team at a meeting & plead his case to come back.

Then, I'd tell him to leave & the next day let the team vote on whether or not to take him back.

You simply can't just let him back on the team without some formal apology to his teammates & repercussions. Deserting your teammates is wrong & there must be consequences.

Frankly, from everything I've read about Leach, I don't think Leach would take him back. Just doesn't seem like his personality

Yes. He's the same dude he was when we signed him. He's a good player. And we would take him back

[Homedawg]

I'm just not sure Leach works that way.

I could see Leach trying to make an example of someone & telling him to pound sand.

He knows he has to get the culture right & making an example of a good player, may be right up his ally.

The only culture he has is what took place in off season and JJ was good w that.... no spring and no season and half a missed semester. Leach has one thing to go by, JJ passed that part...

[KOdawg1]

Yes. He's the same dude he was when we signed him. He's a good player. And we would take him back

Question is, will we get him back? Steve says it's possible, what say you?

[Homedawg]

Question is, will we get him back? Steve says it's possible, what say you?

Ha. He'll either be here or in Oxford this fall. If you want odds on it.....35-65??? But I wouldn't put money on it.

[Jack Lambert]

Question is, will we get him back? Steve says it's possible, what say you?

That's why Steve was so political. I would imagine the coaches are trying to keep him.

[Jarius]

Ha. He'll either be here or in Oxford this fall. If you want odds on it.....35-65??? But I wouldn't put money on it.

Oxford ain’t an option for him any more whether he wants it to be or not.

[ShotgunDawg]

Oxford ain?t an option for him any more whether he wants it to be or not.

I think this likely ends up being true.

With the Ole Miss booster throwing a party, that's easily provable tampering & Ole Miss' AD knows it.

My guess is that he won't be able to transfer to Ole Miss.

Whether he comes back here or not, I have no idea.

[Dawgcap]

Isn?t it funny the tone of a few of y?all change with the possibility of a resolution. Some need to shut up. The overreacting is ridiculous. But yet we blame boosters when we have a few flooding social media actually making things worse.
If he wants to be here I?m good if not good luck young man ,but too see a few react the last few days is quite embarrassing.

[ShotgunDawg]

Isn?t it funny the tone of a few of y?all change with the possibility of a resolution. Some need to shut up. The overreacting is ridiculous. But yet we blame boosters when we have a few flooding social media actually making things worse.
If he wants to be here I?m good if not good luck young man ,but too see a few react the last few days is quite embarrassing.

Goodness. Maybe you should shut up. We're just fans that care.

We don't get on social media & contact the kid directly. We just talk MSU football because we care

[Captain Falcon]

If he decides to come back, I’m sure we would take him, but my guess is that Leach Beach is in his future. You are dealing with coaches that didn’t recruit you and who aren’t going to coddle you like Moorhead. I have a feeling Leach doesn’t have much patience for being jerked around.

[Todd4State]

I think this likely ends up being true.

With the Ole Miss booster throwing a party, that's easily provable tampering & Ole Miss' AD knows it.

My guess is that he won't be able to transfer to Ole Miss.

Whether he comes back here or not, I have no idea.

My guess is he has to sit out a year if he transfers to Ole Miss.

[Todd4State]

The only culture he has is what took place in off season and JJ was good w that.... no spring and no season and half a missed semester. Leach has one thing to go by, JJ passed that part...

You're right.

And also I think having a new staff hurts us in the short term too. It's like Rosebowl is saying- it's a war with Ole Miss every single day because they're always up to something. I don't think new coaches for us really understand totally until they get here and something like this happens and they see it for themselves. They're always like "Well, that Fordham/Holy Cross rivalry was pretty intense." NO. They just have no idea. I spent a short amount of time in Washington state in Seattle and while Washington/Wazzu is a rivalry and pretty intense, it's nothing like MSU/Ole Miss. I have no idea who Texas Tech's main rival is. New Mexico?**

So what sucks for us is a lot of times we'll have a bad coach like Moorhead or even an assistant like Hud will leave like he did after 2010 and while we have to change coaches to improve or assistants move on it often times hurts us in recruiting just because the new guy has to adjust for the Egg Bowl rivalry. And don't get me wrong- I'm not saying we should keep bad coaches to maintain recruiting. I actually believe the opposite. But it does hurt us some in the short term.

[Todd4State]

Ha. He'll either be here or in Oxford this fall. If you want odds on it.....35-65??? But I wouldn't put money on it.

Having thought about it a little bit and based on what the situation appears to be if I were in his shoes... (I know) And I was in this situation honestly I'd most likely try to come back to MSU. Just because it sounds like MSU is going to fight this and I don't know what the outcome would be- I would guess that the NCAA would probably make him sit out a year most likely. If there were wrongdoings and they are proven that could also result in more loss of eligibility as well.

So basically in my mind more than anything it would come down to- sit out a year or play right now. Most players want to play. Also in my mind if someone was paying me under the table and I knew it and I knew that MSU was going to investigate it- that would definitely concern me as far as my eligibility as well.

I figure there's a good chance that transferring somewhere else is probably going to result in sitting out a year too most likely. I know that with COVID that they may grant more transfers but it seems risky to me especially if I was transferring 2000 miles further from my home to Oregon.

Of course there is no way in HELL that if I was a MSU football player that I would ever transfer to Ole Miss.

[Jarius]

Isn?t it funny the tone of a few of y?all change with the possibility of a resolution. Some need to shut up. The overreacting is ridiculous. But yet we blame boosters when we have a few flooding social media actually making things worse.
If he wants to be here I?m good if not good luck young man ,but too see a few react the last few days is quite embarrassing.

He entered the portal to try to go to Ole Miss. Jarrian Jones was the embarrassment here and the fans reacted accordingly. Blaming the fans is asinine. Our starting free safety entered the transfer portal to go to ole miss. Not a 16 year old recruit. A sophomore starter that helped us win the egg bowl 6 months ago wants to transfer to Ole Miss. if you don’t have an issue with that then fine. Most people think that is horse shit.

[msbulldog]

Lane Kiffin will not take Jones, he wants no part of NCAA or SEC trouble in his first year. There is too much out in the open with Jones in Oxford wearing Ole Miss crap before he's in the portal. Hell, Mississippi is still on probation till Nov./Dec., nah Kiffin wants no part of this.

[Lance Harbor]

Ole Jarrian jumped on insta live chatting with Jamal Peters. I honestly couldn't understand most of what was said, but Oregon and Joe were mentioned. It was brief but there was lots of laughing and what not. Then they shut it off and were going to FaceTime.



He entered the portal to try to go to Ole Miss. Jarrian Jones was the embarrassment here and the fans reacted accordingly. Blaming the fans is asinine. Our starting free safety entered the transfer portal to go to ole miss. Not a 16 year old recruit. A sophomore starter that helped us win the egg bowl 6 months ago wants to transfer to Ole Miss. if you don’t have an issue with that then fine. Most people think that is horse shit.

[ShotgunDawg]

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[TheLostDawg]

Every coach has a burner....

Even coach 34?

[Irondawg]

I do wonder what the players think of him in all honesty. They know who can play and who can't and who is worth the headache and who isn't.

Seem several talk about how he and Ealy are best friends - well why didn't they go somewhere together at signing day? They had a lot of the same options and Ealy would have been a great fit at the time of his signing as Joe was still selling Barkley's success.

Whatever - we'll see how it plays out.

[Homedawg]

Oxford ain?t an option for him any more whether he wants it to be or not.

Obviously, we are getting different info. Maybe you are right, I've been wrong before, but not what I'm hearing. I'll stick w he'll either be back or in Oxford.

[Homedawg]

You're right.

And also I think having a new staff hurts us in the short term too. It's like Rosebowl is saying- it's a war with Ole Miss every single day because they're always up to something. I don't think new coaches for us really understand totally until they get here and something like this happens and they see it for themselves. They're always like "Well, that Fordham/Holy Cross rivalry was pretty intense." NO. They just have no idea. I spent a short amount of time in Washington state in Seattle and while Washington/Wazzu is a rivalry and pretty intense, it's nothing like MSU/Ole Miss. I have no idea who Texas Tech's main rival is. New Mexico?**

So what sucks for us is a lot of times we'll have a bad coach like Moorhead or even an assistant like Hud will leave like he did after 2010 and while we have to change coaches to improve or assistants move on it often times hurts us in recruiting just because the new guy has to adjust for the Egg Bowl rivalry. And don't get me wrong- I'm not saying we should keep bad coaches to maintain recruiting. I actually believe the opposite. But it does hurt us some in the short term.

Good Post.

[Homedawg]

Even coach 34?

HA maybe..... ha.

[Commercecomet24]

Obviously, we are getting different info. Maybe you are right, I've been wrong before, but not what I'm hearing. I'll stick w he'll either be back or in Oxford.

Yeah oxford definitely aint out of the running considering Jarrian as of last night was talking to some of our players about coming to om.

[Jarius]

Obviously, we are getting different info. Maybe you are right, I've been wrong before, but not what I'm hearing. I'll stick w he'll either be back or in Oxford.

Oh no you're right that Oxford is where he wants to go. He will end up never playing football again and getting them put on probation again if he goes there though so in the end he won't be in Oxford no matter what he wants to do.

[Tripp McNeely]

Oh no you're right that Oxford is where he wants to go. He will end up never playing football again and getting them put on probation again if he goes there though so in the end he won't be in Oxford no matter what he wants to do.

Aren?t they still on probation until December? So, wouldn?t something like this put you in ?repeat offender? status?

[msbulldog]

Aren?t they still on probation until December? So, wouldn?t something like this put you in ?repeat offender? status?

Correct

[Homedawg]

Aren?t they still on probation until December? So, wouldn?t something like this put you in ?repeat offender? status?

If they are proven to have done something wrong. It's not that simple in this case. JJ has more to do with this than they do. Just the way it is. I know some won't like to hear that.

[Jarius]

If they are proven to have done something wrong. It's not that simple in this case. JJ has more to do with this than they do. Just the way it is. I know some won't like to hear that.

A lot of our MSU people disagree.

[Homedawg]

A lot of our MSU people disagree.

Not saying some don't. BUt all of my info is coming from state people too....At least concerning the JJ part.

[Turfdawg67]

He entered the portal to try to go to Ole Miss. Jarrian Jones was the embarrassment here and the fans reacted accordingly. Blaming the fans is asinine. Our starting free safety entered the transfer portal to go to ole miss. Not a 16 year old recruit. A sophomore starter that helped us win the egg bowl 6 months ago wants to transfer to Ole Miss. if you don?t have an issue with that then fine. Most people think that is horse shit.

He never actually entered the portal, that was just rumors. Our fans should probably wait until he actually does it and leaves. IMO

[Jarius]

He never actually entered the portal, that was just rumors. Our fans should probably wait until he actually does it and leaves. IMO

He has entered the portal. He would not be able to talk to Oregon on the phone had he not.

[Jarius]

Not saying some don't. BUt all of my info is coming from state people too....At least concerning the JJ part.

There is ample evidence that tampering occurred and there are witnesses saying he was offered payment. He’s not going to Ole Miss if we don’t want him to.

[Homedawg]

He never actually entered the portal, that was just rumors. Our fans should probably wait until he actually does it and leaves. IMO

No... he is in the portal.

[BB30]

Goodness. Maybe you should shut up. We're just fans that care.

We don't get on social media & contact the kid directly. We just talk MSU football because we care

Some of yall take it past caring ha ha. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But there have definitely been fans that contact the kid directly with tweets at him and that definitely won't help the situation. Dawgcap's post has some merit to it whether you like it or not.

Again, don't take this as an attack or anything. It is always interesting and thought provoking when you post but lets not act like some of our fans don't take it a little to far and freak out before freaking out is needed(not that freaking out solves problems to begin with, it typically makes situations worse regardless of what the freaking out is over).

Just let the situation play out completely and then freak out if you must is what most are probably getting at. That way if our coaches actually do want him back the fans don't eff it up. And you can say fans don't play a role in what a kid is going to do but I would somewhat disagree with that sentiment.

Fans land and turn away a lot of recruits every year for every school.

As for the situation if I was the coach I probably wouldn't take him back regardless. He went a little too far for the mending to happen. If I did let him back he would go through hell until season got here.

[TheLostDawg]

The thing no one had mentioned is how ole Miss has yet to turn this violation in if it seems to be true, obvious, and well known. We seem to report all ours.
So either
one- ole Miss hasn't changed and kiffen is going to let them do whatever as long as he keeps his name clear
Two- it's not as open and shut as it seems

The fact that we supposedly reported the violation makes it seem like it's a little of both

[TheLostDawg]

O, I forgot. Eat bulldog burger

[maroonmania]

The thing no one had mentioned is how ole Miss has yet to turn this violation in if it seems to be true, obvious, and well known. We seem to report all ours.
So either
one- ole Miss hasn't changed and kiffen is going to let them do whatever as long as he keeps his name clear
Two- it's not as open and shut as it seems

The fact that we supposedly reported the violation makes it seem like it's a little of both

When is the last time OM self-reported any violation about themselves that wasn't totally trivial? They always use the Clinton defense of deny, deny, deny.

[GoDawgz]

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Got to love E40!!! No nonsense at all!