Nick W

[vv83]

He transferring or going pro?

https://twitter.com/nick_gotti0/status/1248637056349343744?s=21

[BeardoMSU]

Holy shit, lol....can we go ahead and forfeit basketball next year?

[Johnson85]

He transferring or going pro?

https://twitter.com/nick_gotti0/status/1248637056349343744?s=21


17ing 2020

[chef dixon]

I'm not sure if those guys that transferred may not wanna come back lol

[Percho]

The world I live in is entirely different from the world I grew up in, however I am an old man.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He's going pro.

[missouridawg]

He's going pro.

Nm

[BeardoMSU]

Maybe Stans will come back and coach this ensuing bathtub drain, as it looks like our starting 5 next year will be rounded out with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.**

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[LC Dawg]

All the intramural superstars need to stay in shape because it looks like they'll be open tryouts for basketball when they get back on campus.

[shoeless joe]

burnout from a semester and a half of doing his own schoolwork?

[starkvegasdawg]

This team needs someone to come in and provide a real shot in the leg...I mean arm.

[Cloak]

He's not transferring. Most likely overseas

[KOdawg1]

Howland must be leaving. If not, he may want to consider it because next year is going to be awful.

[Irondawg]

Wow - he'll make some money overseas I'm sure but this is surprising.

[Todd4State]

Wow - he'll make some money overseas I'm sure but this is surprising.

Not really. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[confucius say]

Prob for the best. College ain't for him. Go ahead and make some money overseas while he can. Best of luck.

[PMDawg]

He's going pro.

LOL

Hope he knows Russian.

[msstate7]

Really need a change of heart from Woodard.

Molinar/d. Smith
Stewart
Woodard
T. Smith
Ado


This could be a good lineup, but bench would be thin

[ZedFedder]

Weatherspoon was very average. Hurt us a lot, helped us some.

[msstate7]

Weatherspoon was very average. Hurt us a lot, helped us some.

I think nick is good as an off guard. If he had an outside stoke that was just avg, he'd be hell at the 2.

[dawgoneyall]

How do I say this politely.....well I can?t.....

[msbulldog]

Maybe Stans will come back and coach this ensuing bathtub drain, as it looks like our starting 5 next year will be rounded out with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.**

https://i.gifer.com/LbK.gif

That's funny, I don't care who your are. Rep given.

[KentuckyDawg13]

Slide DJ to #3 and Molinar to #2. Voila!

[ZedFedder]

That being said I’d rather have him than not. We should have kept Tyson as the PG last year and let Nick be the backup PG.

[gtowndawg]

I hope people wake up about Howland. It ain't workin. The crowds next year are going to be, ummm...interesting.

[ZedFedder]

If Woodard stays in the draft, and I think he will, this will be Howland’s last year.

[gtowndawg]

If Woodard stays in the draft, and I think he will, this will be Howland’s last year.

When you say last year do you mean the season that just finished or next season will be his last? Hopefully he retires after this news so we can move on with someone that has some passion and energy.

[Dawgology]

I hope people wake up about Howland. It ain't workin. The crowds next year are going to be, ummm...interesting.

Everyone sayd he is such a "great recruiter" yet here we are in year 5 with an lol team.

[msstate7]

Everyone sayd he is such a "great recruiter" yet here we are in year 5 with an lol team.

With 2 potential 1st rounders in the draft.

[Todd4State]

I hope people wake up about Howland. It ain't workin. The crowds next year are going to be, ummm...interesting.

Interesting as in empty maroon seats.

[msstate7]

Interesting as in empty maroon seats.

We don't support MBK. We've been a good team the last 3 years, and no one showed. This isn't bc howland sucks; it's bc we suck as a fanbase

[msu15]

Program is a joke

[msstate7]

Program is a joke

Isn't this the best 3 year run in our history?

[confucius say]

Interesting as in empty maroon seats.

It's been that way for nearly a decade. We don't support men's basketball here for a number of reasons.

[sonofozarka]

Isn't this the best 3 year run in our history?

How can it be our best 3 yr run in history when we had a 4 yr run of consecutive NCAA tourneys 10-15 years ago?

[BeardoMSU]

Program is a joke

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/frustrated-sigh-gif-15.gif

[msstate7]

How can it be our best 3 yr run in history when we had a 4 yr run of consecutive NCAA tourneys 10-15 years ago?

It isn't. I read that somewhere, but it was wrong. Here's the best 3-year runs by RW, RS, and BH...

RW from '93-'95: 66-27 (.710)
RS from '01-03: 74-22 (.777)
BH last 3: 68-32 (.680)

[MafiaDawg]

He's going pro.

I have also decided to go pro in basketball. We will get about the same amount of interest.

[smootness]

This is why it doesn't pay off to stick with a guy like that. He's not invested, will look for shortcuts, and won't stick around until the end.

Once he had the cheating issue, he should have been completely gone. Same with all the football players. They ended up doing more harm than good this year.

[Quaoarsking]

Isn't this the best 3 year run in our history?

No, Stans had a run where were were a 3 seed, 5 seed, and 2 seed, but this has been a lot better than the average set of 3 consecutive years in our history.

[gtowndawg]

No, Stans had a run where were were a 3 seed, 5 seed, and 2 seed, but this has been a lot better than the average set of 3 consecutive years in our history.

Heck in 1994 we went NIT, 95 Sweet Sixteen, and 96 Final Four. Ben Howland hasn't sniffed success like that (here).

[msstate7]

Heck in 1994 we went NIT, 95 Sweet Sixteen, and 96 Final Four. Ben Howland hasn't sniffed success like that (here).

No one before or after has either. Not sure where you guys come up with this idiotic theory that we're some basketball blue blood or something. It's been 24 years since we made it to the sweet 16 or beyond. When we made the sweet 16 in '95, it ended a 32-year drought. We've been to 3 sweet 16s, period. We've made the tourney 11 times, period. I thought howland would have been better than he's been so far, but to talk of firing him is pure nonsense, period.

[AROB44]

We don't support MBK. We've been a good team the last 3 years, and no one showed. This isn't bc howland sucks; it's bc we suck as a fanbase

This......

[AROB44]

No one before or after has either. Not sure where you guys come up with this idiotic theory that we're some basketball blue blood or something. It's been 24 years since we made it to the sweet 16 or beyond. When we made the sweet 16 in '95, it ended a 32-year drought. We've been to 3 sweet 16s, period. We've made the tourney 11 times, period. I thought howland would have been better than he's been so far, but to talk of firing him is pure nonsense, period.

Some really delusional people on message boards.

[Todd4State]

No one before or after has either. Not sure where you guys come up with this idiotic theory that we're some basketball blue blood or something. It's been 24 years since we made it to the sweet 16 or beyond. When we made the sweet 16 in '95, it ended a 32-year drought. We've been to 3 sweet 16s, period. We've made the tourney 11 times, period. I thought howland would have been better than he's been so far, but to talk of firing him is pure nonsense, period.

Here's the thing with MSU fans that there is a disconnect.

We have seen the potential that some of our programs have. And let's say just for arguments sake to establish a baseline that our potential is to be a NCAA team two out of four years, a NIT one out of four and maybe we miss one out of four.

But then we hire a coach that underachieves- but because they underachieve we look at the history and say "well, we've done this 11 times" or whatever it is. But it's not because the potential to be better isn't there. It's because we've been grossly underachieving A LOT.

It's an argument of perceived potential vs perceived reality.

Same could be said for football in some ways.

And I'm not saying that we should necessarily fire Howland. But the reality is he has IMO overall underachieved and with all these players leaving it concerns me. Not the ones going to the NBA as much as the ones that are just transferring out. There are some bad signs here.

[Quaoarsking]

No one before or after has either. Not sure where you guys come up with this idiotic theory that we're some basketball blue blood or something. It's been 24 years since we made it to the sweet 16 or beyond. When we made the sweet 16 in '95, it ended a 32-year drought. We've been to 3 sweet 16s, period. We've made the tourney 11 times, period. I thought howland would have been better than he's been so far, but to talk of firing him is pure nonsense, period.

Yeah, the last 3 years have been wrong side of the bubble, 5 seed, and (probably) wrong side of the bubble. By my count that's better than 6 of Stansbury's 3-year sets, and worse than 6 of them. The off-the-court issues aren't nearly as bad as the late Stansbury years.

I sure hope none of the people calling for Howland's firing wanted Stansbury to stay.

[confucius say]

Is howlands health the elephant in the room nobody is talking about? Has he recovered fully?

[Quaoarsking]

Is howlands health the elephant in the room nobody is talking about? Has he recovered fully?

Recovered from what?

[Cowbell]

With 2 potential 1st rounders in the draft.

And wouldn't have made the tournament with them. That should tell you all you need to know.

[confucius say]

Recovered from what?

He had a serious illness. I'm not sure what. But it was/is a long term thing. After the OM game that ended the season, he opened up a little about it without saying he was actually sick. No energy. Forced to nap during the day. Talked about how tough it was on him before the first game against them in Oxford. I'm no doctor but sounded like he's been undergoing treatments.

[msstate7]

And wouldn't have made the tournament with them. That should tell you all you need to know.

Maybe, maybe not. We were a 4-seed in the sec tourney, and didn't play a game.

[dawgday166]

He had a serious illness. I'm not sure what. But it was/is a long term thing. After the OM game that ended the season, he opened up a little about it without saying he was actually sick. No energy. Forced to nap during the day. Talked about how tough it was on him before the first game against them in Oxford. I'm no doctor but sounded like he's been undergoing treatments.

That would explain a lot of things I was scratching my head about.

[biggun]

With 2 potential 1st rounders in the draft.

If both go in the 1st round, why were we a bubble team, very mediocre this year?

[dantheman4248]

No one wants to admit it, but it's the truth. The home loss to OM last season took the wind out of the fanbase's sails. Packed house and we lost vs. a non-tourney team. No one says you have to like it, but it was just a fact.

Fact of the matter is most of the fanbase doesn't care about the MBK program and if you can't beat Kentucky or Ole Miss then they don't bother. Call them whatever you like, fair weather, etc. It is what it is.

[Saltydog]

Russian my ass...?.Do they have a G league in Zimbabwe?

[BeardoMSU]

No one wants to admit it, but it's the truth. The home loss to OM last season took the wind out of the fanbase's sails. Packed house and we lost vs. a non-tourney team. No one says you have to like it, but it was just a fact.

Fact of the matter is most of the fanbase doesn't care about the MBK program and if you can't beat Kentucky or Ole Miss then they don't bother. Call them whatever you like, fair weather, etc. It is what it is.

OM made the Tournament last year...we also repaid the favor by winning in Oxford later in the year.

Also, we were a 5 seed, and in the Dance for the first time in a decade. how is that not enough to energize the fanbase?

[msstate7]

OM made the Tournament last year...we also repaid the favor by winning in Oxford later in the year.

Also, we were a 5 seed, and in the Dance for the first time in a decade. how is that not enough to energize the fanbase?

I think 45% just look for reasons not to support the team, 45% has a burr up their butt still over stansbury, and 10% are in

[Todd4State]

I think 45% just look for reasons not to support the team, 45% has a burr up their butt still over stansbury, and 10% are in

I sincerely hope that the percentage of our fan base with a burr up their butt about Stansbury is less than 45%.

[msstate7]

I sincerely hope that the percentage of our fan base with a burr up their butt about Stansbury is less than 45%.

My poll is unscientific haha

[dawgday166]

My poll is unscientific haha

What does dantheman say? His numbers always precise ****

[Joebob]

So tell me again, how many tournament games has Howland won at MSU? And some of you ask why we’re not excited about our men’s team? And you know what, I just reminded myself how pointless it is to try to explain any of this again because others have explained it far better than I can, but it still doesn’t sink in with some of you. You guys will go to your grave thinking Howland is a great coach, or that he’s the best coach we can get, so I’m done trying to explain why people don’t get excited about underachievers. If you don’t get that, I can’t help you.

[Ari Gold]

Clicked on the thread and started from page 4.. why is the thread titled Nick..??

[R2Dawg]

Clicked on the thread and started from page 4.. why is the thread titled Nick..??

By page 2 every thread ends up like this.

"Don't you know, everyone in here is innocent" Andy Dufrain.

[Ari Gold]

So tell me again, how many tournament games has Howland won at MSU? And some of you ask why we’re not excited about our men’s team? And you know what, I just reminded myself how pointless it is to try to explain any of this again because others have explained it far better than I can, but it still doesn’t sink in with some of you. You guys will go to your grave thinking Howland is a great coach, or that he’s the best coach we can get, so I’m done trying to explain why people don’t get excited about underachievers. If you don’t get that, I can’t help you.


This right here sums up our fan base perfectly... Thank you...

[Ari Gold]

Someone can correctly if I am wrong but we finished 4th in the league.. 4th
And finished dead last in attendance . Mother ****ing 14th.. that’s embarrassing

If I was a big time coach or player I wouldn’t come here.. why would you?? You play in front of an half empty arena game in game out..

[msstate7]

Someone can correctly if I am wrong but we finished 4th in the league.. 4th
And finished dead last in attendance . Mother ****ing 14th.. that’s embarrassing

If I was a big time coach or player I wouldn’t come here.. why would you?? You play in front of an half empty arena game in game out..

Bc we're a basketball blue blood. We made the final four 24 years ago, so we should be getting in the sweet 16 most every year... something like that.

[gtowndawg]

So tell me again, how many tournament games has Howland won at MSU? And some of you ask why we?re not excited about our men?s team? And you know what, I just reminded myself how pointless it is to try to explain any of this again because others have explained it far better than I can, but it still doesn?t sink in with some of you. You guys will go to your grave thinking Howland is a great coach, or that he?s the best coach we can get, so I?m done trying to explain why people don?t get excited about underachievers. If you don?t get that, I can?t help you.

Right there with you. Somehow Ben's performance on the court (average at best) and his lack of recruiting (outside legacy players) is somehow not his fault, it's the fan's fault? Ha, ha, the poor ole Miss. State mentality truly blows my mind. I don't know if it's an age thing or what? Nobody in my circle of friends thinks like this but I saw it alot from my father's generation. Reminds me of some kids in little league, "don't put me in, I might strike out!!"

[msstate7]

Gtown and joebob... let's give you your wish, howland fired today. Who do you go sell this to go a new coach?

Cohen to whoever, "howland was just 68-33 here the last 3 years with an sec record of 30-24. During this period, he's moved from 7th in sec to 6th to 4th in the sec. This is unacceptable to the 1000 fans that show up to the games."

[gtowndawg]

Gtown and joebob... let's give you your wish, howland fired today. Who do you go sell this to go a new coach?

Cohen to whoever, "howland was just 68-33 here the last 3 years with an sec record of 30-24. During this period, he's moved from 7th in sec to 6th to 4th in the sec. This is unacceptable to the 1000 fans that show up to the games."

Lol, if that's the best sales job Cohen can put together, than maybe, just maybe we've identified another problem perhaps?

[msstate7]

Lol, if that's the best sales job Cohen can put together, than maybe, just maybe we've identified another problem perhaps?

You see unless you're hiring a complete DA, he will see there's zero fan support and howland has turned a disaster into a decent basketball program... and somehow, he was fired for it

ETA... now I'm not naive, someone would take the job when there's millions of dollars. I do think the up-and-comers though would hold off for a better situation. We very well could hit on one of the other much risky guys, but we could miss just as easily.

[gtowndawg]

You see unless you're hiring a complete DA, he will see there's zero fan support and howland has turned a disaster into a decent basketball program... and somehow, he was fired for it

This will go on forever. We have to agree to disagree. We can do better, I have no doubt about that. No point in arguing constantly about it.

[confucius say]

Gtown and joebob... let's give you your wish, howland fired today. Who do you go sell this to go a new coach?

Cohen to whoever, "howland was just 68-33 here the last 3 years with an sec record of 30-24. During this period, he's moved from 7th in sec to 6th to 4th in the sec. This is unacceptable to the 1000 fans that show up to the games."

Prob end up with Rick ray

[dawgday166]

Prob end up with Rick ray

Yep. For us to possibly do decent with next coaching hire if Ben goes ... it'll have to be cause he wants to retire to Santa Barbara.

[gtowndawg]

Prob end up with Rick ray

Yeah, probably so.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Rhhr8D5mKSX7O/giphy.gif

[msstate7]

Yep. For us to possibly do decent with next coaching hire if Ben goes ... it'll have to be cause he wants to retire to Santa Barbara.

I agree with this. I'm not a huge fan of howland, although he's did a good (not great) job. To fire him now would be program suicide.

[gtowndawg]

Bulldog brethren, I love ya, we just see things different on this subject. Have a great Easter, enjoy the family and stay safe.

[BB30]

I hope people wake up about Howland. It ain't workin. The crowds next year are going to be, ummm...interesting.

No more "interesting" than they have been. We haven't had fans at games consistently for over a decade. Not like it can get any worse. We had some games this season with a couple hundred people there.