The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[BeardoMSU]

live from Arizona......................just one thing this is not i repeat not the damn flu. i swear!

Stay safe, dude.

[Gutter Cobreh]

But the guy who used a ONE day death toll in AL is ok??? gotcha, ........

Simmer down. See my reply to MSState 7 below.


The largest death total ever to Covid in Alabama is included in my window. What you talking about?

Obviously, I didn't understand what the dates and death toll you were using - which is why I asked. I wasn't trying a "gotcha" - I was sincerely asking. I was mainly perplexed at why you used a 3 day time frame, but at this point it doesn't matter. Thanks for the reply.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Why do you continue to attack me? I said nothing wrong only what I'm told.

Sorry your buddies hours were cut back; sounds like he/she has a chance to pick up some extra work at the other hospitals around town as it would seem they have their hands full with patients. Sorry he works for a shitty health system.

[Joebob]

The Moderna vaccine is showing some real promise isn't it? Saw on Twitter just a little bit ago where they gave it to 45 patients in March and they got results back today that showed that the vaccine "revved up" the patients' immune systems.

Supposed to begin the key final testing on July 27th and are giving it to 30,000 people I believe. Can anyone comment any further if you know about this and what it means?

I know a lot of people are skeptical of Moderna and are questioning whether their early data was real. This is going to be a very closely watched vaccine. Hopefully everything is on the up and up and the vaccine works out.

By the way, just a reminder that there's still considerable doubt about how long Covid antibodies will provide immunity. Some studies have shown they drop rapidly from their initial levels. Just more reasons why I'm doubtful they're going to know anytime soon as to how effective any vaccines are.

[confucius say]

I know a lot of people are skeptical of Moderna and are questioning whether their early data was real. This is going to be a very closely watched vaccine. Hopefully everything is on the up and up and the vaccine works out.

By the way, just a reminder that there's still considerable doubt about how long Covid antibodies will provide immunity. Some studies have shown they drop rapidly from their initial levels. Just more reasons why I'm doubtful they're going to know anytime soon as to how effective any vaccines are.

I'm beginning to think T cells are the more important route to immunity, as opposed to just antibodies

[Dawgology]

I'm beginning to think T cells are the more important route to immunity, as opposed to just antibodies

Like I said before...zombie apocalypse.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well, my neck of the woods in now the #6 hot spot in the country! Can we get to #1? Don't count us out
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/cases-coronavirus-disease-surging-along-georgia-coast/0hSjaEQE0HbVtb1LdOdzUI/

[msstate7]

Well, my neck of the woods in now the #6 hot spot in the country! Can we get to #1? Don't count us out
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-news/cases-coronavirus-disease-surging-along-georgia-coast/0hSjaEQE0HbVtb1LdOdzUI/

My county was #1 in our state per capita for a stretch. It's not easy, but if you give a little less fricks than others, it's possible. Throw your mask in the garbage, and shoot double birds on your way to Walmart shaking everyone's hand (haha)

[Johnson85]

I know a lot of people are skeptical of Moderna and are questioning whether their early data was real. This is going to be a very closely watched vaccine. Hopefully everything is on the up and up and the vaccine works out.

By the way, just a reminder that there's still considerable doubt about how long Covid antibodies will provide immunity. Some studies have shown they drop rapidly from their initial levels. Just more reasons why I'm doubtful they're going to know anytime soon as to how effective any vaccines are.

I'm thinking the more we learn, the vaccine seems like a long shot, unless we just completely ignore how we normally do approvals. You're talking about a virus where 40% of the people infected don't have any symptoms, something like 90% have flu like symptoms and don't require hospitalization, and something like .3% of infected die from. That would have to be an incredibly safe vaccine with more or less non-existent side effects. Maybe you could just give it to the vulnerable, but a lot of the vulnerable tend to not respond as well to vaccines.

If we find out that we get the infection a second time and it tends to be worse, then that would help. But I assume that would mean developing an effective vaccine will be even harder.

[msstate7]

I'm thinking the more we learn, the vaccine seems like a long shot, unless we just completely ignore how we normally do approvals. You're talking about a virus where 40% of the people infected don't have any symptoms, something like 90% have flu like symptoms and don't require hospitalization, and something like .3% of infected die from. That would have to be an incredibly safe vaccine with more or less non-existent side effects. Maybe you could just give it to the vulnerable, but a lot of the vulnerable tend to not respond as well to vaccines.

If we find out that we get the infection a second time and it tends to be worse, then that would help. But I assume that would mean developing an effective vaccine will be even harder.

Then throw in potential booster shots every few months

[MaroonFlounder]

The strategy was there all along. We were just too dumb to see it.

Flatten the curve.
Flatten the economy
Flatten Freedom, Liberty, and the Human Spirit.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm thinking the more we learn, the vaccine seems like a long shot, unless we just completely ignore how we normally do approvals. You're talking about a virus where 40% of the people infected don't have any symptoms, something like 90% have flu like symptoms and don't require hospitalization, and something like .3% of infected die from. That would have to be an incredibly safe vaccine with more or less non-existent side effects. Maybe you could just give it to the vulnerable, but a lot of the vulnerable tend to not respond as well to vaccines.

If we find out that we get the infection a second time and it tends to be worse, then that would help. But I assume that would mean developing an effective vaccine will be even harder.

The antibody response is sounding a lot like the flu. It doesn't last forever. That's one of the reasons you have to get a new flu shot every year. The other is mutations and we don't know about those with this one yet.

[Extendedcab]

The strategy was there all along. We were just too dumb to see it.

Flatten the curve.
Flatten the economy
Flatten Freedom, Liberty, and the Human Spirit.


Amen! Rep given!

[Turfdawg67]

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC.

Good lord...

[dawgday166]

The strategy was there all along. We were just too dumb to see it.

Flatten the curve.
Flatten the economy
Flatten Freedom, Liberty, and the Human Spirit.

Another Amen!! Rep given.

[dawgday166]

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC.

Good lord...

Good ... That's EXACTLY what needs to happen.

[dantheman4248]

Good ... That's EXACTLY what needs to happen.

How can you possibly think that is a good thing.

Remove the name Trump.

We are letting the executive leadership of the country with no medical background filter what we do and don't release about our medical information. This is literally what China did when we ALL accused them of suppressing the data. This is NOT a good thing. If you think so then you are anti-freedom of information.

[dawgday166]

How can you possibly think that is a good thing.

Remove the name Trump.

We are letting the executive leadership of the country with no medical background filter what we do and don't release about our medical information. This is literally what China did when we ALL accused them of suppressing the data. This is NOT a good thing. If you think so then you are anti-freedom of information.

I'm not anti freedom of information but ... I want accurate and not manipulated information.

FWIW ... there's a reason I haven't been on this board much last few weeks. I've been diving deep into this. 20 years ago I dove deep and knew about some BIG (and I mean BIG) things before they happened. I was quite shocked myself when they did come true. I know a few good sources and have since found others. Also dove deep into Kennedy assassination a little later. Kennedy was trying to stop what is going on now. Wasn't a fan of JFK before I studied it (family hated him) and came away a HUGE fan. The most patriotic (to the Constitution) President of the 20th century.

When I brought up what I knew ... people scoffed at it. Around 13 or 14 years ago threw up my hands and said eventually our freedom would gradually be eroded and we would passively end up totally socialist, but hoped it didn't happen in my lifetime. However, not everyone is as asleep as I thought they were (although I had been kinda dozing myself some). The riots and the way they progressed reawakened me.
Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump. When Trump was elected, that was not part of the plan. And there are reasons there is a wave of stuff happening now.

Depending on the outcome of some future events, you may get EXACTLY what you would like Comrade ... and then some.

[Dawg2003]

How can you possibly think that is a good thing.

Remove the name Trump.

We are letting the executive leadership of the country with no medical background filter what we do and don't release about our medical information. This is literally what China did when we ALL accused them of suppressing the data. This is NOT a good thing. If you think so then you are anti-freedom of information.

It's extremely troubling that it's happening, but I'm still amazed at the people that just fall in line with Trump's totalitarian tendencies.

[dawgday166]

It's extremely troubling that it's happening, but I'm still amazed at the people that just fall in line with Trump's totalitarian tendencies.

Trump's not a totalitarian. That's why he hasn't locked us down. If Hillary was President, you'd really be seeing totalitarian right about now.

[Johnson85]

I'm not anti freedom of information but ... I want accurate and not manipulated information.

FWIW ... there's a reason I haven't been on this board much last few weeks. I've been diving deep into this. 20 years ago I dove deep and knew about some BIG (and I mean BIG) things before they happened. I was quite shocked myself when they did come true. I know a few good sources and have since found others. Also dove deep into Kennedy assassination a little later. Kennedy was trying to stop what is going on now. Wasn't a fan of JFK before I studied it (family hated him) and came away a HUGE fan. The most patriotic (to the Constitution) President of the 20th century.

When I brought up what I knew ... people scoffed at it. Around 13 or 14 years ago threw up my hands and said eventually our freedom would gradually be eroded and we would passively end up totally socialist, but hoped it didn't happen in my lifetime. However, not everyone is as asleep as I thought they were (although I had been kinda dozing myself some). The riots and the way they progressed reawakened me.
Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump. When Trump was elected, that was not part of the plan. And there are reasons there is a wave of stuff happening now.

Depending on the outcome of some future events, you may get EXACTLY what you would like Comrade ... and then some.

^^^^This^^^^ is great!!! Tell us more.

[Dawg2003]

Trump's not a totalitarian. That's why he hasn't locked us down. If Hillary was President, you'd really be seeing totalitarian right about now.

Hillary is terrible, but that doesn't excuse Trump. Fauci has good approval ratings, and Trump is mad because his are horrific. He has mismanaged this pandemic, and we are a laughingstock around the world. The economy is in ruins, and he's not interested. He's hemorrhaging swing voters. He's utterly inept and dangerous to boot.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm not anti freedom of information but ... I want accurate and not manipulated information.

FWIW ... there's a reason I haven't been on this board much last few weeks. I've been diving deep into this. 20 years ago I dove deep and knew about some BIG (and I mean BIG) things before they happened. I was quite shocked myself when they did come true. I know a few good sources and have since found others. Also dove deep into Kennedy assassination a little later. Kennedy was trying to stop what is going on now. Wasn't a fan of JFK before I studied it (family hated him) and came away a HUGE fan. The most patriotic (to the Constitution) President of the 20th century.

When I brought up what I knew ... people scoffed at it. Around 13 or 14 years ago threw up my hands and said eventually our freedom would gradually be eroded and we would passively end up totally socialist, but hoped it didn't happen in my lifetime. However, not everyone is as asleep as I thought they were (although I had been kinda dozing myself some). The riots and the way they progressed reawakened me.
Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump. When Trump was elected, that was not part of the plan. And there are reasons there is a wave of stuff happening now.

Depending on the outcome of some future events, you may get EXACTLY what you would like Comrade ... and then some.

Uh... okay. *Slowly backs away*

[Turfdawg67]

If you think having an administration, that is still encouraging to test less so we show less cases, in charge of the data is a good thing... you are moron, period. What the hell does the CDC get by manipulating the numbers? I guess you think getting rid of all the watchdogs was a good idea too, huh. Boy, people are right, MAGA is a cult. All hail Trump, he knows what's best and I give him complete control without any checks or balances.

[Dawg2003]

Pretty much a third world banana republic move to get stop the CDC from getting data. It's amazing how people who claim to hate government want the government to have sole control of the numbers.

[Extendedcab]

If you think having an administration, that is still encouraging to test less so we show less cases, in charge of the data is a good thing... you are moron, period. What the hell does the CDC get by manipulating the numbers? I guess you think getting rid of all the watchdogs was a good idea too, huh. Boy, people are right, MAGA is a cult. All hail Trump, he knows what's best and I give him complete control without any checks or balances.

Get a grip and get over your TDS!!

In terms of the number of deaths COVID-19 has caused (578K as of 14 July 2020), it is actually more comparable with previous flu pandemics. The Asian flu in 1957-1958 killed an estimated 1.1 million people, close to the 1 million people thought to have been killed by the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968-1970.

So why are we destroying the US economy (and the worlds for that matter)? COVID, today, has killed fewer people but yet we are shutting down normal human activities out of fear! Why didn't we shut down the economy for the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flue or other pandemics? What is so different with this virus to cause this sever reaction? Even the medical community can not agree on actions to prevent or limit it's spreading. We have been told to wear a mask, not to wear a mask, stay 6' away from other humans, then it was 28', then it was 6' again, hand washing is the answer, sneeze in your elbow, don't touch your face, its not spreadable from human to human, dogs can't catch it, close down the economy, open it back up, you can protest without a mask but it is not OK to go to church, antibodies last a year or two, then several months, now I heard a report yesterday that antibodies only last a few weeks, we are all going to get infected and die - what the hell is next?

Hopefully, no guarantee, you can see the concern that something stinks here! What good is testing if there are no other measures to isolate those that are infected or take other preventive measures? Are there any new measures taken with these new infection rate numbers? What are they? What are these numbers used for except to spread fear?

What does the CDC get out of manipulating numbers, I don't know, you tell me, what does any group get out of manipulating numbers? Deep state sabotaging the upcoming election? To destroy the US by dragging out the hysteria and shutting down the economy? To lead the US to a socialistic or communistic government? Other?

[Turfdawg67]

Get a grip and get over your TDS!!

In terms of the number of deaths COVID-19 has caused (578K as of 14 July 2020), it is actually more comparable with previous flu pandemics. The Asian flu in 1957-1958 killed an estimated 1.1 million people, close to the 1 million people thought to have been killed by the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968-1970.

So why are we destroying the US economy (and the worlds for that matter)? COVID, today, has killed fewer people but yet we are shutting down normal human activities out of fear! Why didn't we shut down the economy for the Asian flu or the Hong Kong flue or other pandemics? What is so different with this virus to cause this sever reaction? Even the medical community can not agree on actions to prevent or limit it's spreading. We have been told to wear a mask, not to wear a mask, stay 6' away from other humans, then it was 28', then it was 6' again, hand washing is the answer, sneeze in your elbow, don't touch your face, its not spreadable from human to human, dogs can't catch it, close down the economy, open it back up, you can protest without a mask but it is not OK to go to church, antibodies last a year or two, then several months, now I heard a report yesterday that antibodies only last a few weeks, we are all going to get infected and die - what the hell is next?

Hopefully, no guarantee, you can see the concern that something stinks here! What good is testing if there are no other measures to isolate those that are infected or take other preventive measures? Are there any new measures taken with these new infection rate numbers? What are they? What are these numbers used for except to spread fear?

What does the CDC get out of manipulating numbers, I don't know, you tell me, what does any group get out of manipulating numbers? Deep state sabotaging the upcoming election? To destroy the US by dragging out the hysteria and shutting down the economy? To lead the US to a socialistic or communistic government? Other?

"Deep state"... 'nuf said. Lolz.

[msstate7]

Alabama broke their death record from yesterday today

[msstate7]

Pretty much a third world banana republic move to get stop the CDC from getting data. It's amazing how people who claim to hate government want the government to have sole control of the numbers.

Not sure what the reasoning for doing this is. CDC is government too though, right? Not saying I support or against this without actually knowing the reasoning behind it.

[Extendedcab]

^^^^This^^^^ is great!!! Tell us more.

Agreed, tell more!

[Extendedcab]

"Deep state"... 'nuf said. Lolz.


You did not address the issue, you only provided a snarky comment!

[Turfdawg67]

You did not address the issue, you only provided a snarky comment!

And you went way far on a tangent that I didn't bring up at all. I didn't say shut the economy down dippy. I said, our almighty leader doesn't need to have this much control of the 17n data. I guess Jared is a better choice than the CDC? Don't answer, you prob think he is. And you deserve snarky answers as well as a tinfoil hat.

[MaroonFlounder]

I'm not anti freedom of information but ... I want accurate and not manipulated information.

FWIW ... there's a reason I haven't been on this board much last few weeks. I've been diving deep into this. 20 years ago I dove deep and knew about some BIG (and I mean BIG) things before they happened. I was quite shocked myself when they did come true. I know a few good sources and have since found others. Also dove deep into Kennedy assassination a little later. Kennedy was trying to stop what is going on now. Wasn't a fan of JFK before I studied it (family hated him) and came away a HUGE fan. The most patriotic (to the Constitution) President of the 20th century.

When I brought up what I knew ... people scoffed at it. Around 13 or 14 years ago threw up my hands and said eventually our freedom would gradually be eroded and we would passively end up totally socialist, but hoped it didn't happen in my lifetime. However, not everyone is as asleep as I thought they were (although I had been kinda dozing myself some). The riots and the way they progressed reawakened me.
Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump. When Trump was elected, that was not part of the plan. And there are reasons there is a wave of stuff happening now.

Depending on the outcome of some future events, you may get EXACTLY what you would like Comrade ... and then some.

George Soros$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[dantheman4248]

I'm not anti freedom of information but ... I want accurate and not manipulated information.

FWIW ... there's a reason I haven't been on this board much last few weeks. I've been diving deep into this. 20 years ago I dove deep and knew about some BIG (and I mean BIG) things before they happened. I was quite shocked myself when they did come true. I know a few good sources and have since found others. Also dove deep into Kennedy assassination a little later. Kennedy was trying to stop what is going on now. Wasn't a fan of JFK before I studied it (family hated him) and came away a HUGE fan. The most patriotic (to the Constitution) President of the 20th century.

When I brought up what I knew ... people scoffed at it. Around 13 or 14 years ago threw up my hands and said eventually our freedom would gradually be eroded and we would passively end up totally socialist, but hoped it didn't happen in my lifetime. However, not everyone is as asleep as I thought they were (although I had been kinda dozing myself some). The riots and the way they progressed reawakened me.
Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump. When Trump was elected, that was not part of the plan. And there are reasons there is a wave of stuff happening now.

Depending on the outcome of some future events, you may get EXACTLY what you would like Comrade ... and then some.

I'm just gonna step back and say it's crazy how we are both asking for the same thing in that first statement but we have opposite beliefs that this action is accomplishing that. This whole action by Trump is a direct attack on that in my eyes, but you see that as a step towards that.

How did we get here as a society? We want the same things...

[Turfdawg67]

You did not address the issue, you only provided a snarky comment!

And for what it's worth, I could give two sh*ts about yours and a couple others' conspiracy theories. I don't normally read them anyway. There are plenty of posters on here that I may not see eye to eye with but I can respect their points of view... even MS7... but not yours.

[MaroonFlounder]

If you think having an administration, that is still encouraging to test less so we show less cases, in charge of the data is a good thing... you are moron, period. What the hell does the CDC get by manipulating the numbers? I guess you think getting rid of all the watchdogs was a good idea too, huh. Boy, people are right, MAGA is a cult. All hail Trump, he knows what's best and I give him complete control without any checks or balances.

Regardless of how you feel about Trump and his actions, he didn't deserve to have the DOJ weaponized against him to derail his campaign, and have that effort continued throughout the 1st 3 years of his presidency.

[StateDawg44]

And for what it's worth, I could give two sh*ts about yours and a couple others' conspiracy theories. I don't normally read them anyway. There are plenty of posters on here that I may not see eye to eye with but I can respect their points of view... even MS7... but not yours.

See and that's totally fair and all anyone really wants or is asking for.

Some folks are just completely incapable of accepting someone else's view and have to ridicule them or totally hijack/ruin a thread and try to convince them they are wrong and stupid for even having differing opinions on life. Constantly. Tirelessly.

[dantheman4248]

And for what it's worth, I could give two sh*ts about yours and a couple others' conspiracy theories. I don't normally read them anyway. There are plenty of posters on here that I may not see eye to eye with but I can respect their points of view... even MS7... but not yours.

Dude is a troll. As much as I hate using the block button myself I had to. Don't let him dm you about how slavery was good according to the bible and should be a thing now either. I let him get to me and believed that someone could actually be that evil. Forgot I'm on the internet and there are trolls just saying things for reactions. Cost myself a week here. Not worth the effort of telling him off.

[dantheman4248]

See and that's totally fair and all anyone really wants or is asking for.

Some folks are just completely incapable of accepting someone else's view and have to ridicule them or totally hijack/ruin a thread and try to convince them they are wrong and stupid for even having differing opinions on life. Constantly. Tirelessly.

Nah I disagree, your opinion is wrong.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC.

Good lord...

Game Over!

He who controls the data, controls the mind.... Say goodbye to any semblance of transparency....

Good luck to everyone on the board. My advice is to only worry about the city/community you live in and follow closely the local news. That will be the only place where you hear about your local health organization and what they're currently facing. Anything regarding information at the state or national level will be so distorted and manipulated that it won't be worth spending time on.

[confucius say]

Game Over!

He who controls the data, controls the mind.... Say goodbye to any semblance of transparency....

Good luck to everyone on the board. My advice is to only worry about the city/community you live in and follow closely the local news. That will be the only place where you hear about your local health organization and what they're currently facing. Anything regarding information at the state or national level will be so distorted and manipulated that it won't be worth spending time on.

Trump aside, y'all know each state releases hospital data daily without it being cleared by the cdc right? Does anybody really believe completely what trump or the cdc spouts regarding this virus? Hell even individual states can't get it right. See Florida misreporting positive rates by 90%!

[dantheman4248]

Walmart / Sam's club requiring mask?

Night club bouncers just found a new job again. Good on walmart to create jobs for those who lost income due to the pandemic

[Extendedcab]

And for what it's worth, I could give two sh*ts about yours and a couple others' conspiracy theories. I don't normally read them anyway. There are plenty of posters on here that I may not see eye to eye with but I can respect their points of view... even MS7... but not yours.

Ditto, I don't respect your TDS attitude either! It is a two way street brother!

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump.

Man, you're so close. Take away the dichotomous conceptualization and separating people into red and blue camps and you've just about got it. There are people wearing both red and blue ties who would prefer to be told what to do and fall in lockstep, regardless of how independent they claim to be. Why? Because people are people no matter what team they cheer for. Less freedom equals less responsibility.

Remember, no matter who is elected in office, the same 100 or so mega-donors are right there through it all, keeping a close watch on the money and more.

As Fromm and/or Lonesome Rhodes (As played by Andy Griffith in A Face in the Crowd) would say: "Escape from freedom!"

[dawgday166]

Those folks that weren't asleep elected Trump.

Man, you're so close. Take away the dichotomous conceptualization and separating people into red and blue camps and you've just about got it. There are people wearing both red and blue ties who would prefer to be told what to do and fall in lockstep, regardless of how independent they claim to be. Why? Because people are people no matter what team they cheer for. Less freedom equals less responsibility.

Remember, no matter who is elected in office, the same 100 or so mega-donors are right there through it all, keeping a close watch on the money and more.

As Fromm and/or Lonesome Rhodes (As played by Andy Griffith in A Face in the Crowd) would say: "Escape from freedom!"

I'm aware of it.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Thus far, I know of six people who have contracted COVID-19. Two recovered at home, two required hospitalization, and two are dead. The two that required hospitalization remained in the hospital for a week and were in their early fifties, but otherwise in good health. The two that died were both elderly.
Conspiracy? You be the judge.

[StateDawg44]

Thus far, I know of six people who have contracted COVID-19. Two recovered at home, two required hospitalization, and two are dead. The two that required hospitalization remained in the hospital for a week and were in their early fifties, but otherwise in good health. The two that died were both elderly.
Conspiracy? You be the judge.

No one here, and I mean no one is saying the virus isn't real or doesn't exist and kill or hospitalize people.

What's your point?

[Dolphus Raymond]

My POINT? Read some of the posts on this thread. Listen to some of our ?leaders? who take the word of an unstable demagogue over the directives of physician?s and scientists. I guess that is my point.

[dparker]

Looks like we need a new governor if we want to go for herd immunity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/tate-reeves-mississippi-coronavirus-herd-immunity/

[msstate7]

Looks like we need a new governor if we want to go for herd immunity.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/tate-reeves-mississippi-coronavirus-herd-immunity/

CDC estimates 10x-12x documented cases, so our total is most likely closer to 385k-463k

[confucius say]

CDC estimates 10x-12x documented cases, so our total is most likely closer to 385k-463k

And studies show herd immunity at 20%, which is where New York is using the x10 cdc factor (see Atlantic's article from this week I linked previously). My theory based on that article, NY, and NJ is that we need to get to 75k documented cases to have this thing under control (meaning cases down to like 125 a day and deaths down 3-4 a day).

[99jc]

We were informed today that the USA death toll for covid-19 is higher right now from March-July than the Spanish flu pandemic during the same months in 1918. Sept -Nov the 1918 Flu mutated and went on its rampage especially the month of October. Not saying this will happen here but it will be interesting to watch what the next few months bring. Safe to all and hail state!

[hacker]

And studies show herd immunity at 20%, which is where New York is using the x10 cdc factor (see Atlantic's article from this week I linked previously). My theory based on that article, NY, and NJ is that we need to get to 75k documented cases to have this thing under control (meaning cases down to like 125 a day and deaths down 3-4 a day).

You can find a study that says pretty much anything, but what you should be looking for is scientific consensus. Most studies have herd immunity at 60% or greater.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/

Herd immunity can be estimated from the R0 value with this formula: 1 - (1 / R0). For example, for herd immunity to be reached at 20%, this is the equation: 1 - (1/1.25) = 0.2. The R0 of the virus would have to be 1.25, which is lower than the flu. The R0 of the flu is ~1.6 (which means ~40% herd immunity).

And I think we all know that this virus is more contagious than the flu.

[Cooterpoot]

Game Over!

He who controls the data, controls the mind.... Say goodbye to any semblance of transparency....

Good luck to everyone on the board. My advice is to only worry about the city/community you live in and follow closely the local news. That will be the only place where you hear about your local health organization and what they're currently facing. Anything regarding information at the state or national level will be so distorted and manipulated that it won't be worth spending time on.

Numbers have been wrong since day one. Local governments changing data, labs 17ing up numbers, etc. etc. etc. The narcissistic turd won't be any better or worse. There's never been transparency.

[msstate7]

Numbers have been wrong since day one. Local governments changing data, labs 17ing up numbers, etc. etc. etc. The narcissistic turd won't be any better or worse. There's never been transparency.

Glad you still around

[confucius say]

You can find a study that says pretty much anything, but what you should be looking for is scientific consensus. Most studies have herd immunity at 60% or greater.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/

Herd immunity can be estimated from the R0 value with this formula: 1 - (1 / R0). For example, for herd immunity to be reached at 20%, this is the equation: 1 - (1/1.25) = 0.2. The R0 of the virus would have to be 1.25, which is lower than the flu. The R0 of the flu is ~1.6 (which means ~40% herd immunity).

And I think we all know that this virus is more contagious than the flu.

I guess, but I would tend to give more credit herd immunity studies done on c19 instead of herd immunity generally on other viruses, particular due to the heterogeneous nature of c19. Guess we will see. I'm certainly not an expert.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/

[Cooterpoot]

Glad you still around

Barely. Been in the hospital. It's been a rough few weeks. But I'm at least partially alive.

[Joebob]

Walmart / Sam's club requiring mask?

Night club bouncers just found a new job again. Good on walmart to create jobs for those who lost income due to the pandemic

I noticed last week that our local Walmart had a big burly guard out front. Mask compliance in the store is amazingly now at 100%. :)

[Gutter Cobreh]

Numbers have been wrong since day one. Local governments changing data, labs 17ing up numbers, etc. etc. etc. The narcissistic turd won't be any better or worse. There's never been transparency.

Bet you some vcash that numbers start improving...

Just look at the jobs data; when published it's great. Then a week later it's revised to the actual number.

[Cooterpoot]

Bet you some vcash that numbers start improving...

Just look at the jobs data; when published it's great. Then a week later it's revised to the actual number.

Well, considering they busted all those FL labs, I'd sure hope so. No telling how much that's happening. Anyone trusting ANY government entity is a fool. The CDC failed to even look into the FL numbers, when it was obvious to a damn local reporter. They've failed us enough already with this pandemic.
I don't trust them any more or less than the rest of the government. I just know they all suck at this.

[Dawgology]

You can find a study that says pretty much anything, but what you should be looking for is scientific consensus. Most studies have herd immunity at 60% or greater.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/

Herd immunity can be estimated from the R0 value with this formula: 1 - (1 / R0). For example, for herd immunity to be reached at 20%, this is the equation: 1 - (1/1.25) = 0.2. The R0 of the virus would have to be 1.25, which is lower than the flu. The R0 of the flu is ~1.6 (which means ~40% herd immunity).

And I think we all know that this virus is more contagious than the flu.

The R0 of the flu is that low due to a vaccine being available. R0 value fluctuates drastically per region with any new virus. If we didn't haven't a vaccine for the flu it would kill far more people than Covid is currently.

[Dawgology]

We were informed today that the USA death toll for covid-19 is higher right now from March-July than the Spanish flu pandemic during the same months in 1918. Sept -Nov the 1918 Flu mutated and went on its rampage especially the month of October. Not saying this will happen here but it will be interesting to watch what the next few months bring. Safe to all and hail state!

Well...there were 100 million people living in America in 1918. Now we have 330 million so, densly populated cities, and fast transportation connecting it all...that makes sense.

[hacker]

The R0 of the flu is that low due to a vaccine being available. R0 value fluctuates drastically per region with any new virus. If we didn't haven't a vaccine for the flu it would kill far more people than Covid is currently.

The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed 75k January - July. That predates vaccines and was the worst flu in US history.

[Cooterpoot]

The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed 75k January - July. Just so we're clear, that predates vaccines and was the worst flu in US history.

It also killed like 700,000 in that year.

[hacker]

Well...there were 100 million people living in America in 1918. Now we have 330 million so, densly populated cities, and fast transportation connecting it all...that makes sense.

We have also had a shitload of advances in medicine since 1918. Ventilators for one. How many people would be dead from covid if we had the same medical care as 1918?

[hacker]

It also killed like 700,000 in that year.

700k from 1918-1920

[Dawgology]

The Spanish Flu of 1918 killed 75k January - July. That predates vaccines and was the worst flu in US history.

I thought we were talking R0 values of the current flu vs Covid not the Spanish Flu.

Either way, R0 values are fluid and can change from day to day, region to region, etc.

[FISHDAWG]

This lousy thread has pushed my blocked list to capacity

[msstate7]

We have also had a shitload of advances in medicine since 1918. Ventilators for one. How many people would be dead from covid if we had the same medical care as 1918?

Yep, and a whole heck of a lot of the elderly that died to covid19 would've been dead already in 1918

[Dawgology]

We have also had a shitload of advances in medicine since 1918. Ventilators for one. How many people would be dead from covid if we had the same medical care as 1918?

No way to know really but I would say probably about the same because all I've heard from media outlets from day 1 is that nothing is really effective in treating Covid and ventilators are basically useless beyond prolonging suffering. So...they had masks in 1918.

This is literally what the doctors in Tennessee were arguing last week when they lobbied the governor to enact statewide mandates regarding Covid safety. So if nothing is effective in treating Covid and no one understands it and it's basically a death sentence (as many want us to believe) then modern medicine doesn't matter....right?

[dawgday166]

We have also had a shitload of advances in medicine since 1918. Ventilators for one. How many people would be dead from covid if we had the same medical care as 1918?

Ventilators would have still been ineffective then. Cytokine storm is what killed people and vast majority in their 20s and early 30s. They died like 2 or 3 days after developing symptoms due to Cytokine storm. Folks that died would change color to blue or black from such a quick depletion of oxygen.


700k from 1918-1920

That's the very conservative estimate.


Yep, and a whole heck of a lot of the elderly that died to covid19 would've been dead already in 1918

Elderly actually survived it much better due to immune systems not being so responsive to flu's invasion into the body. The vast majority of folks that died were in 20s and 30s.

Read The Great Influenza. That flu is much worse than this one. Survival rate for folks in 20s and 30s was almost nonexistent.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I concur with dawgday; The Great Influenza is an excellent and informative book.

[Cooterpoot]

Yep, and a whole heck of a lot of the elderly that died to covid19 would've been dead already in 1918

I think it would be less deadly for them because they wouldn't be sitting ducks in a nursing home and the nation was far more rural. Alzheimer's also wasn't as big.

[hacker]

That's the very conservative estimate.

That estimate is based on excess deaths. There were 150,000 excess deaths from March - June 13th this year.

But like you said, there's a huge difference in the age group that is dying.

Getting back to the point of all this, I really don't think that "way more people would die from the flu" if we had no flu vaccine. Excess deaths could be > 300k by the end of this year. Using the worst flu in our history as a benchmark, covid is still outpacing it.

[Cooterpoot]

700k from 1918-1920

It was well over 600,000 from 1918-1919 and it didn't start really until late Feb. in 1918. From Sept-Dec it wiped out everyone. Then slowed back down.

[hacker]

It was well over 600,000 from 1918-1919 and it didn't start really until late Feb. in 1918. From Sept-Dec it wiped out everyone. Then slowed back down.

Covid didn't really start until late Feb in 2020. Hopefully history won't repeat itself this fall. Covid + the flu season could be bad.

[Cooterpoot]

Covid didn't really start until late Feb in 2020. Hopefully history won't repeat itself this fall. Covid + the flu season could be bad.

That flu/Covid combo will lock down hospitals, even if it's not bad. You're effectively doubling everything even if it's an average flu season.

[Dawgology]

That flu/Covid combo will lock down hospitals, even if it's not bad. You're effectively doubling everything even if it's an average flu season.

This exactly. As I stated previously: the flu season taxes hospital capacity every year. It is not uncommon for hospitals to divert critical care and emergency patients to other hospitals due to over-capacity issues during a REGULAR flu season.

This is why I don't understand moving fall sports back further into the flu season. It's dumb. They should actually be starting sooner rather than later.

[Liverpooldawg]

We have also had a shitload of advances in medicine since 1918. Ventilators for one. How many people would be dead from covid if we had the same medical care as 1918?

Nearly everyone who has been hospitalized. Certainly almost everyone who had to have oxygen would be.

[Liverpooldawg]

Ventilators would have still been ineffective then. Cytokine storm is what killed people and vast majority in their 20s and early 30s. They died like 2 or 3 days after developing symptoms due to Cytokine storm. Folks that died would change color to blue or black from such a quick depletion of oxygen.



That's the very conservative estimate.



Elderly actually survived it much better due to immune systems not being so responsive to flu's invasion into the body. The vast majority of folks that died were in 20s and 30s.

Read The Great Influenza. That flu is much worse than this one. Survival rate for folks in 20s and 30s was almost nonexistent.

Dude that last sentence is total bs. You just made that up. It infected nearly every soldier on the Western Front. It went through military training camps here like wildfire. We still fought the war.

[Liverpooldawg]

It was well over 600,000 from 1918-1919 and it didn't start really until late Feb. in 1918. From Sept-Dec it wiped out everyone. Then slowed back down.

It did NOT wipe out everyone. Jeez .

[Joebob]

No way to know really but I would say probably about the same because all I've heard from media outlets from day 1 is that nothing is really effective in treating Covid and ventilators are basically useless beyond prolonging suffering. So...they had masks in 1918.

This is literally what the doctors in Tennessee were arguing last week when they lobbied the governor to enact statewide mandates regarding Covid safety. So if nothing is effective in treating Covid and no one understands it and it's basically a death sentence (as many want us to believe) then modern medicine doesn't matter....right?

I don't know of anything that's effective in treating mild cases of Covid (non hospitalized cases), but they clearly have improved the treatment for people requiring hospitalization. Remdesivir appears to be a big reason for that, though I'm sure there are other factors involved. But the fact that death rates have gone down tells me that they've made significant strides in treating hospitalized cases if nothing else.

[dawgday166]

Dude that last sentence is total bs. You just made that up. It infected nearly every soldier on the Western Front. It went through military training camps here like wildfire. We still fought the war.

Let me rephrase. Not everyone did become infected although infection rate was really high. And if I recall correctly the mortality rate of people in their 20s and 30s was very high ... estimated to be like 20 to 30 percent if I recall correctly. So yea ... my statement wasn't accurate. However, the mortality rate for any demographic during Covid has not been nowhere near that high. So I would stand by my belief that pandemic was much worse.

[StateDawg44]

Well, considering they busted all those FL labs, I'd sure hope so. No telling how much that's happening. Anyone trusting ANY government entity is a fool. The CDC failed to even look into the FL numbers, when it was obvious to a damn local reporter. They've failed us enough already with this pandemic.
I don't trust them any more or less than the rest of the government. I just know they all suck at this.

This sums it up pretty well.

Although, I don't know if there is anyone on Earth who could've made the right call on any of this. I'm not sure what anyone would consider "passing" for any set of leaders or govt.

If you believed the gov't had your interest before any of this, or still believe any reports about the pandemic numbers that are coming out to be accurate, that is just being naive. Whether there is an agenda or not behind a particular report doesn't change anything. It pollutes stuff but ultimately there isn't one ultimate source that has it all right and is at the center of it all. People's expectations with response and reaction to this are off the charts how unattainable that really was. And that's their own fault.

It's going to run its course. Vaccine or not. 100% of people will never take that vaccine. Masks won't be worn forever (but may slow the spread). It will become a part of life. Just like the flu has. We adapt, and learn how to handle it and work against it. It's being a human.

[Cooterpoot]

It did NOT wipe out everyone. Jeez .

Your literal interpretation is correct. But I wasn't speaking in literal terms.

[MaroonFlounder]

It's extremely troubling that it's happening, but I'm still amazed at the people that just fall in line with Trump's totalitarian tendencies.

If Trump was totalitarian, he would have moved into Minneapolis, Chicago, ATL, NY, and Seattle CHAZ (or CHOP) with Federal troops. Instead, he sat back and watched them sadly burn and self-destruct with no law enforcement and deaths abound. The Govs and Mayors didn't want his help just because of who he is and the party he represents.

[dawgday166]

If Trump was totalitarian, he would have moved into Minneapolis, Chicago, NY, and Seattle CHAZ (or CHOP) with Federal troops. Instead, he sat back and watched them sadly burn and self-destruct with no law enforcement and deaths abound. The Govs and Mayors didn't want his help just because of who he is and the party he represents.

Bingo. And Trump has not oppressed the people in any way. He's made life better for them in numerous ways most significantly by shutting down drug trade from below the border (reason for the Wall), shutting down sex trafficking and pedos, and bringing jobs back to America ... jobs Obama/Biden said "would never return".

On the flip side, he has used laws THEY CREATED (to be used against the people) to go after some high-level, extremely corrupt folks. These are laws that were created before Trump and were not supposed to be used against the elite or the creators of the corrupt law, but to be used against the people.

Folks seem to forget about The Homeland Security Act, Wikileaks, Snowden & NSA, etc. Talk about Totalitarianism. And also the wake of dead bodies associated with those leaders (especially Clinton).

[hacker]

I don't know if there is anyone on Earth who could've made the right call on any of this.

Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, ****in' China, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Singapore, Poland, Switzerland, Ireland, Japan, Austria, South Korea, Czech Republic, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Croatia, Greece, Thailand, Uruguay, Paraguay, Slovakia, Iceland, Australia, Cambodia, Lithuania, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Vietnam seem to have figured it out

[Dawg2003]

If Trump was totalitarian, he would have moved into Minneapolis, Chicago, ATL, NY, and Seattle CHAZ (or CHOP) with Federal troops. Instead, he sat back and watched them sadly burn and self-destruct with no law enforcement and deaths abound. The Govs and Mayors didn't want his help just because of who he is and the party he represents.

Federalism

[Extendedcab]

Bingo. And Trump has not oppressed the people in any way. He's made life better for them in numerous ways most significantly by shutting down drug trade from below the border (reason for the Wall), shutting down sex trafficking and pedos, and bringing jobs back to America ... jobs Obama/Biden said "would never return".

On the flip side, he has used laws THEY CREATED (to be used against the people) to go after some high-level, extremely corrupt folks. These are laws that were created before Trump and were not supposed to be used against the elite or the creators of the corrupt law, but to be used against the people.

Folks seem to forget about The Homeland Security Act, Wikileaks, Snowden & NSA, etc. Talk about Totalitarianism. And also the wake of dead bodies associated with those leaders (especially Clinton).

Bingo! Rep Given, well I tried to but I have to spread it around more first!.

[Irondawg]

Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, ****in' China, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Singapore, Poland, Switzerland, Ireland, Japan, Austria, South Korea, Czech Republic, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Croatia, Greece, Thailand, Uruguay, Paraguay, Slovakia, Iceland, Australia, Cambodia, Lithuania, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Vietnam seem to have figured it out

Or maybe they just hit their spike ahead of us.....time will tell.

As a group I'm not sure what Europe would be doing so much different than us beyond the argument that they are outside all the time now and don't use as much large scale indoor AC.

[Johnson85]

Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, ****in' China, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal, Singapore, Poland, Switzerland, Ireland, Japan, Austria, South Korea, Czech Republic, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Hungary, Croatia, Greece, Thailand, Uruguay, Paraguay, Slovakia, Iceland, Australia, Cambodia, Lithuania, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and Vietnam seem to have figured it out

Are you arguing that the way to figure it out is to let it burn through your population? Because it looks like you've got the 1st (Belgium), third (Spain), 4th (Italy), and 6th (France) worst performing countries on your list of countries that have figured it out as far as deaths per capita goes.

I don't think we're going to have a good idea of who has done well until we get through this winter. I suspect USA will move up on that list (currently we're 7th) through the summer and then look a lot better after the winter. But even then, we'll need a lot more time to really figure out how we did because the results will be skewed by population makeup just like they are with things like life expectancy.

[StateDawg44]

Are you arguing that the way to figure it out is to let it burn through your population? Because it looks like you've got the 1st (Belgium), third (Spain), 4th (Italy), and 6th (France) worst performing countries on your list of countries that have figured it out as far as deaths per capita goes.

I don't think we're going to have a good idea of who has done well until we get through this winter.

Exactly.

[Dawgfan77]

Thought on TX?
The State of Texas today had to remove 3,484 cases from its Covid-19 positive case count, because the San Antonio Health Department was reporting ?probable? cases for people never actually tested, as ?confirmed? positive cases.- TDHS

[Gutter Cobreh]

Or maybe they just hit their spike ahead of us.....time will tell.

As a group I'm not sure what Europe would be doing so much different than us beyond the argument that they are outside all the time now and don't use as much large scale indoor AC.

They're probably not having political rallies during it, nor have their leaders dismissed the virus by saying multiple times that it will "magically" go away... but it may actually be indoor air conditioning

[hacker]

Are you arguing that the way to figure it out is to let it burn through your population? Because it looks like you've got the 1st (Belgium), third (Spain), 4th (Italy), and 6th (France) worst performing countries on your list of countries that have figured it out as far as deaths per capita goes.

I don't think we're going to have a good idea of who has done well until we get through this winter. I suspect USA will move up on that list (currently we're 7th) through the summer and then look a lot better after the winter. But even then, we'll need a lot more time to really figure out how we did because the results will be skewed by population makeup just like they are with things like life expectancy.

It hit those countries hard then they got it under control. It didn't burn through their population. Spain's seroprevalence is ~5% across the country, up to 15% in Madrid.

[confucius say]

It hit those countries hard then they got it under control. It didn't burn through their population. Spain's seroprevalence is ~5% across the country, up to 15% in Madrid.

Sounds like ny and nj and penn. I imagine fla and Tex and cal will follow suit.

[hacker]

Are you arguing that the way to figure it out is to let it burn through your population? Because it looks like you've got the 1st (Belgium), third (Spain), 4th (Italy), and 6th (France) worst performing countries on your list of countries that have figured it out as far as deaths per capita goes.

https://i.imgur.com/pFYxwb5.png

Maybe we'll figure it out by the end of the year, but I'd rather be headed into the fall in one of those 4 countries' positions.

[msstate7]

It hit those countries hard then they got it under control. It didn't burn through their population. Spain's seroprevalence is ~5% across the country, up to 15% in Madrid.

Speaking of Spain, they have their largest case day since May 22nd. They've been creeping up, and then a pretty big jump today.

[msstate7]

I think some of the issue comparing european countries to the US is the size difference. The virus seems to be just getting prevalent in parts of the US. Hell, isn't Texas bigger than most the European countries we're comparing to?

[dawgday166]

Anyone ever question why all our new "hotspots" are in Trump states ... especially the swing state of FL which is key to the election and host to Republican Convention? Amazing how that works. And then it's found out they're cooking their data to a large extent. There are no coincidences.

[dawgday166]

Bingo! Rep Given, well I tried to but I have to spread it around more first!.

And relative to totalitarianism ... you can throw in Obama spying on Trump's campaign which is why Richard Nixon had to resign.

[Johnson85]

https://i.imgur.com/pFYxwb5.png

Maybe we'll figure it out by the end of the year, but I'd rather be headed into the fall in one of those 4 countries' positions.

I'm sure the US's health care system is better than those countries, especially when it comes to things like trauma care and ICU capacity, but we're also a lot unhealthier than those countries, so I sort of doubt those countries' health systems are that much shittier than the US's. I suspect you're seeing a greater proportion of untested cases in other countries than the US.

And I also suspect they less got it under control than weather got better and behavior became less conducive to spread, just like I doubt the Southeastern US did sooooo much better than the northeast US and western europe to begin with, and then suddenly said 17 it, let's start licking every doorknob we see.

[Dolphus Raymond]

One of the aspects of COVID that perplexes me the most is why some catch it and recover with no problem while others end up in the hospital or dead. Had a friend who contracted it and recovered at home with no issues, while her husband spent a week in the hospital. Same age and in relatively good health.

[Johnson85]

NM

[BrunswickDawg]

I found this interesting regarding the NCAA's guidelines:

https://twitter.com/ChrisVannini/status/1283841694211936263?s=20

[Joebob]

Ran across this today. It seems to confirm what I've been hearing anecdotally. There's hopeful news at the end though.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/17/most-covid-19-patients-admitted-to-a-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

[hacker]

Ran across this today. It seems to confirm what I've been hearing anecdotally. There's hopeful news at the end though.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/17/most-covid-19-patients-admitted-to-a-sydney-hospital-in-march-still-have-symptoms

Fake news. That hospital in Sydney is obviously out to get Trump.***********************

[Turfdawg67]

New high for deaths in FL. I'm sure the 21 day avg is still good though.

[msstate7]

Texas health officials remove over 3,000 'probable' coronavirus cases from overall count

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/texas-health-officials-remove-over-3-000-probable-coronavirus-cases-from-overall-count

[Todd4State]

One of the aspects of COVID that perplexes me the most is why some catch it and recover with no problem while others end up in the hospital or dead. Had a friend who contracted it and recovered at home with no issues, while her husband spent a week in the hospital. Same age and in relatively good health.

A lot of people think there is a link between certain conditions such as diabetes, obesity, and things like think increasing risk factors as far as hospitalizations, as well as other things. African Americans are more likely to be hospitalized. Of course the elderly and a lot of that is because the elderly have weaker immune systems to start with and they are more susceptible to most other things.

[Liverpooldawg]

Anyone ever question why all our new "hotspots" are in Trump states ... especially the swing state of FL which is key to the election and host to Republican Convention? Amazing how that works. And then it's found out they're cooking their data to a large extent. There are no coincidences.

Oh good lord. The entire world tanked their economies to get rid of Teump. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense***. Anyone that believes that stuff shouldn't be allowed to vote, period.

[Liverpooldawg]

A lot of people think there is a link between certain conditions such as diabetes, obesity, and things like think increasing risk factors as far as hospitalizations, as well as other things. African Americans are more likely to be hospitalized. Of course the elderly and a lot of that is because the elderly have weaker immune systems to start with and they are more susceptible to most other things.

Old lives don't matter.

[hacker]

Texas health officials remove over 3,000 'probable' coronavirus cases from overall count

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/texas-health-officials-remove-over-3-000-probable-coronavirus-cases-from-overall-count

Guess they'll just replace the tallies with these:

1283907525507780610

[StateDawg44]

Old lives don't matter.

Only essential workers who are forced to have to go out and work because of all the other idiots do.***

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/zDKP4dJg/35-B0-FAF9-C21-E-49-C3-BDE4-1941-AA1-D42-C4.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MXZDQmf6)

https://twitter.com/dlama_fox35/status/1283938411162763265?s=21

[RocketCityDawg]

Oh good lord. The entire world tanked their economies to get rid of Teump. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense***. Anyone that believes that stuff shouldn't be allowed to vote, period.

Anyone who believes this couldn't happen in Florida should not be allowed to vote, period.
It's been proven, and more "cooking of the books" is coming out every day.

[Dawgfan77]

Guess they'll just replace the tallies with these:

1283907525507780610
TX number are counting people in that household as possible and positive.

[dawgday166]

Oh good lord. The entire world tanked their economies to get rid of Teump. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense***. Anyone that believes that stuff shouldn't be allowed to vote, period.

Yep ... you right. I'm just glad all those criminals being released will be able to mail in their ballots.

ETA: Not to mention all the people who have died in the last year or so, Covid or other reasons. Wanna make sure their votes get mailed in and counted too.

[msstate7]

Speaking of Spain, they have their largest case day since May 22nd. They've been creeping up, and then a pretty big jump today.

Even bigger number of cases today.

This virus will be around till herd immunity or vaccine.

[Joebob]

Yep ... you right. I'm just glad all those criminals being released will be able to mail in their ballots.

ETA: Not to mention all the people who have died in the last year or so, Covid or other reasons. Wanna make sure their votes get mailed in and counted too.

Can you just go away and leave the discussion to the adults?

[Todd4State]

Even bigger number of cases today.

This virus will be around till herd immunity or vaccine.

I agree. I don't really think there is much anyone can really do to stop it to be honest. Right or wrong. I think it's best to just go about our lives and get it over with.

[hacker]

https://i.postimg.cc/zDKP4dJg/35-B0-FAF9-C21-E-49-C3-BDE4-1941-AA1-D42-C4.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MXZDQmf6)

https://twitter.com/dlama_fox35/status/1283938411162763265?s=21

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[Jack Lambert]

I agree. I don't really think there is much anyone can really do to stop it to be honest. Right or wrong. I think it's best to just go about our lives and get it over with.

I have been watching California compared to Georgia. They are doing everything opposite. California is proving shut down and mask don't do shit.

[Homedawg]

I have been watching California compared to Georgia. They are doing everything opposite. California is proving shut down and mask don't do shit.

Masks fix it all.... until they don't...bars are really our problem.....

[Dawgology]

Shutting down and killing the economy is dumb. Social distance. Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Carry on with life.

[Liverpooldawg]

I agree. I don't really think there is much anyone can really do to stop it to be honest. Right or wrong. I think it's best to just go about our lives and get it over with.

If we can keep the hospital load managable it will save countless lives, and not just from COVID.

[DownwardDawg]

Shutting down and killing the economy is dumb. Social distance. Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Carry on with life.

All the things you listed are correct. Health care providers are begging us to distance, wear masks, and wash hands/sanitize vigorously!!

[Dawgology]

Incidentally, John Cohen said in his interview with Hadad today that there was a nine out of ten chance that the football season happens this year...just not sure when exactly it will start. Also, they plan on having at least 25-50% capacity.

[confucius say]

50% of our deaths roughly are long term care facilities. We have 140 facilities with cases according to dept of health.

I don't get why we can't get that under control better.

[Dawgology]

50% of our deaths roughly are long term care facilities. We have 140 facilities with cases according to dept of health.

I don't get why we can't get that under control better.

Agreed. Somehow LTC nurses are passing the virus on to the elderly at LTC facilities but nurses don’t pass on the virus in hospitals.

[starkvegasdawg]

Agreed. Somehow LTC nurses are passing the virus on to the elderly at LTC facilities but nurses don’t pass on the virus in hospitals.

Perhaps the elderly are more susceptible to catching it. Immune system is extremely compromised.

[msstate7]

50% of our deaths roughly are long term care facilities. We have 140 facilities with cases according to dept of health.

I don't get why we can't get that under control better.

Not sure how you could unless you quarantine the workers with the patients or conduct tests on the workers everyday before the enter.

[yjnkdawg]

Agreed. Somehow LTC nurses are passing the virus on to the elderly at LTC facilities but nurses don’t pass on the virus in hospitals.

It's not just the nurses in LTC's, but also aides, and other direct contact employees with the LTC residents. The employees get it from the community. I agree, I'm not sure why the hospitals are having less issues. Maybe it's because they do a better job of monitoring of their employees, or perhaps it's the LTC resident's existing health conditions

[Jack Lambert]

50% of our deaths roughly are long term care facilities. We have 140 facilities with cases according to dept of health.

I don't get why we can't get that under control better.

The federal goverment is now setting up hospitals for the elderly so they can be kept isolated after they test positive. I believe in Miami.

[yjnkdawg]

50% of our deaths roughly are long term care facilities. We have 140 facilities with cases according to dept of health.

I don't get why we can't get that under control better.

Some LTC's just do a better job in being proactive than other facilities, and have better methods, and isolating once an employee or resident is found positive. The existing health conditions of the residents play a key role as well. The employees get the virus from the community. So in order to eliminate any possibility of Covid in a LTC, the employees would have to be there 24/7, and not go outside the LTC doors into the community for any reason.

[confucius say]

The majority of ltc facilities are run poorly.

The worst decision in all of this has been cuomo (whom I like) and NJ And ILL governors keeping positive ltc patients in ltc's instead of hospitals. I know he was worried about his hospitals being overrun bc he was getting bad info from the media and some medical people, but what a horrible decision. Was basically a death sentence. Sad.

[yjnkdawg]

The federal goverment is now setting up hospitals for the elderly so they can be kept isolated after they test positive. I believe in Miami.


In certain situations in MS, a LTC resident, who tests positive, can be safely isolated, and even treated in the LTC facility, if the facility has the means to do so and it is approved by the MSDH. I know this for a fact.

[msstate7]

The majority of ltc facilities are run poorly.

The worst decision in all of this has been cuomo (whom I like) and NJ And ILL governors keeping positive ltc patients in ltc's instead of hospitals. I know he was worried about his hospitals being overrun bc he was getting bad info from the media and some medical people, but what a horrible decision. Was basically a death sentence. Sad.

Here's the 5 that did it...

California Gov. Gavin Newsom.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy.
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf.

Illinois didn't... well, I'm unaware if he did.

[confucius say]

Here's the 5 that did it...

California Gov. Gavin Newsom.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy.
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf.

Illinois didn't... well, I'm unaware if he did.

Ahh. Got ya.
So 1, 2, 8, and 11 in death rate. Props to CA, they've managed their numbers pretty well it seems. Lot of heathy people there prob helps (I was there for 2 weeks and saw almost zero fat people).

What sucks is NY and NJ were hit early and handled it the worst of anybody, setting a horrible tone and precedent.

[Cooterpoot]

In certain situations in MS, a LTC resident, who tests positive, can be safely isolated, and even treated in the LTC facility, if the facility has the means to do so and it is approved by the MSDH. I know this for a fact.

No they really can't. Their isolating is putting them in a different area of the LTC facility or sending them to the hospital. It's spreading through ventilation systems and workers. And after the patients beat Covid, they're sent right back in, even when the virus lingers in them. Once someone contracts it, it's too late. I saw one home put all their Covid patients in a separate wing. They claimed isolation. Then, 3 months later, almost the entire place had it.
Saw another that kept it out for almost three months. Then one person got sick, was moved to a hospital, but the whole facility blew up anyway.

[Dawg2003]

If you don't have HEPA filters, you can't isolate them properly.

[hacker]

I think it's worth noting that 3 day average of LTC deaths as a percentage of total deaths has fallen from ~70% in early May to ~40% now.

[confucius say]

That's bc the rest of the states didn't follow NY and NJ, thank goodness.

But yea, my roughly 50% language was about MS, not the nation as a whole.

[Cooterpoot]

If you don't have HEPA filters, you can't isolate them properly.

Hepa alone will not stop it.

[hacker]

That's bc the rest of the states didn't follow NY and NJ, thank goodness.

But yea, my roughly 50% language was about MS, not the nation as a whole.

I'm also referring to MS only

[confucius say]

I'm also referring to MS only

Ahh, got ya. Yea that ltc number is one that I look at daily. Def less than there were in April.

[msstate7]

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/499085-cdc-acknowledges-mixing-up-coronavirus-testing-data#click=https://t.co/rPWkzwwGee

[KOdawg1]

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/499085-cdc-acknowledges-mixing-up-coronavirus-testing-data#click=https://t.co/rPWkzwwGee

Insert "yeah, but..." link here

[Dawgology]

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/499085-cdc-acknowledges-mixing-up-coronavirus-testing-data#click=https://t.co/rPWkzwwGee

Not only that but hospitals retest in care patients every two weeks and then every week after a certain time limit. As long as the patient tests positive they are counted as a “new positive test” that day. I know for a fact that our local hospital has no way to differentiate in reporting between an actual new patient that just walked through the door and tested positive and a patient who has been there for 3 weeks and is still testing positive. They are all reported out in number of new positive tests for the day.

It’s an information mess.

[confucius say]

Not only that but hospitals retest in care patients every two weeks and then every week after a certain time limit. As long as the patient tests positive they are counted as a “new positive test” that day. I know for a fact that our local hospital has no way to differentiate in reporting between an actual new patient that just walked through the door and tested positive and a patient who has been there for 3 weeks and is still testing positive. They are all reported out in number of new positive tests for the day.

It’s an information mess.

Somebody should call Dobbs on the carpet then. Bc he said this week in a presser that if you test positive once none of your subsequent positive tests are counted. Of course our media is garbage so nobody asked him how in the world you could distinguish the two.

[Dawgology]

Somebody should call Dobbs on the carpet then. Bc he said this week in a presser that if you test positive once none of your subsequent positive tests are counted. Of course our media is garbage so nobody asked him how in the world you could distinguish the two.

Maybe they fixed it then. This was about two weeks ago that I discovered that.

[msstate7]

Are antibody positives still counting as new cases?

[confucius say]

Are antibody positives still counting as new cases?

Yes. According to Dobbs. But he says the antibody positives are only a small amount of the overall positives. That number use to be in the MSDH website daily updates, but I don't see it anymore.

[msstate7]

Yes. According to Dobbs. But he says the antibody positives are only a small amount of the overall positives. That number use to be in the MSDH website daily updates, but I don't see it anymore.

That's BS. Even if it's just 10 of the 30+k cases, it should be separated.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Insert "yeah, but..." link here

Just another flu season in July! I can't believe that testing is causing a rural system to send their patients 3 hours away since their normal referral hospitals are full!***

https://tippahnews.com/2020/07/18/mississippi-hospital-ceo-warns-that-some-icus-are-full-harder-to-transfer-patients/

Below is a message from our Hospital Administrator Sydney Sawyer from Lackey Memorial Hospital in Forest:

Everyone please stay vigilant. As most of you know , I am an RN and the CEO of a small rural hospital, I have dealt with infection control for 25 years or so.

I have no reason other than concern for encouraging you to wear your mask.

We are now not able to transfer patients to the normal tertiary facilities that we always use.

Their ICUs are full and this is July! Wait until flu hits. We are in Forest Mississippi and we are having to transfer the seriously ill to places as far away as Tupelo.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not only that but hospitals retest in care patients every two weeks and then every week after a certain time limit. As long as the patient tests positive they are counted as a “new positive test” that day. I know for a fact that our local hospital has no way to differentiate in reporting between an actual new patient that just walked through the door and tested positive and a patient who has been there for 3 weeks and is still testing positive. They are all reported out in number of new positive tests for the day.

It’s an information mess.

NOPE.

[msstate7]

Coronavirus: Fishermen test positive despite spending 35 days at sea and testing negative before they left

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-fishermen-test-positive-despite-232641456.html

[confucius say]

Maybe they fixed it then. This was about two weeks ago that I discovered that.

I think you are correct. Multiple healthcare prof tell me that there are double counters bc there is no database that can efficiently and effectively cross checking new cases to ensure that person has not been listed as a positive case previously.

[Dawgology]

NOPE.

Well, according to the director of our local rather large hospital about three weeks ago. You could count them separately but you couldn’t report them separately to the state at the time.

But maybe he didn’t know what he was talking about******

[KOdawg1]

Just another flu season in July! I can't believe that testing is causing a rural system to send their patients 3 hours away since their normal referral hospitals are full!***

https://tippahnews.com/2020/07/18/mississippi-hospital-ceo-warns-that-some-icus-are-full-harder-to-transfer-patients/

Below is a message from our Hospital Administrator Sydney Sawyer from Lackey Memorial Hospital in Forest:

Everyone please stay vigilant. As most of you know , I am an RN and the CEO of a small rural hospital, I have dealt with infection control for 25 years or so.

I have no reason other than concern for encouraging you to wear your mask.

We are now not able to transfer patients to the normal tertiary facilities that we always use.

Their ICUs are full and this is July! Wait until flu hits. We are in Forest Mississippi and we are having to transfer the seriously ill to places as far away as Tupelo.

I didn't negate any of that.

[State82]

Well, according to the director of our local rather large hospital about three weeks ago. You could count them separately but you couldn’t report them separately to the state at the time.

But maybe he didn’t know what he was talking about******

Oh come on Dawgology. You mean you did not realize that this forum is chock full of world renowned epidemiologists that are without question the foremost experts in this novel virus. My advice for about 99 percent of people here spouting supposed undeniable facts or comments regarding this pandemic and the associated fallout is to STFU.

[Turfdawg67]

In Florida, 49 of the state's hospitals with ICU beds were reporting none available, the state's Agency for Health Care Administration posted on its website as of Sunday at 5:30 p.m. ET.


Oh come on Dawgology. You mean you did not realize that this forum is chock full of world renowned epidemiologists that are without question the foremost experts in this novel virus. My advice for about 99 percent of people here spouting supposed undeniable facts or comments regarding this pandemic and the associated fallout is to STFU.

No, and...
https://i.postimg.cc/br8M1QJ6/DFDA0593-D4-D4-4-C42-A5-FD-D7-E1-F665-FE5-A.gif

[Cooterpoot]

In Florida, 49 of the state's hospitals with ICU beds were reporting none available, the state's Agency for Health Care Administration posted on its website as of Sunday at 5:30 p.m. ET.



No, and...
https://i.postimg.cc/br8M1QJ6/DFDA0593-D4-D4-4-C42-A5-FD-D7-E1-F665-FE5-A.gif

Florida has like 350 hospitals. Most of which have an ICU.

[Turfdawg67]

Florida has like 350 hospitals. Most of which have an ICU.

And as of last week 84% were occupied.

Meh, prob fake news anyway. **

[confucius say]

And as of last week 84% were occupied.

Meh, prob fake news anyway. **

That's not uncommon. I'm honestly shocked it's not 95%

[msstate7]

That's not uncommon. I'm honestly shocked it's not 95%

This was what I was wondering. Current % means nothing without normal %. I do think Florida is being hammered right now though.

[msstate7]

NY's numbers are gonna be fascinating to watch. They just had another problem with a big crowd ignoring social distancing today ( https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/partys-over-officers-head-to-astoria-for-social-distancing-enfacement-after-crowds-hit-the-streets ) after the same thing Friday night. If their numbers don't start going up soon, I think they've hit some sort of immunity wall.

[Gutter Cobreh]

And as of last week 84% were occupied.

Meh, prob fake news anyway. **


That's not uncommon. I'm honestly shocked it's not 95%


This was what I was wondering. Current % means nothing without normal %. I do think Florida is being hammered right now though.

"“It’s all very flexible and fluid depending on the patient scenario in our hospital,” Neilsen said. “We probably run on average about 70% ICU occupied anyway. During the winter, most hospitals are running closer to 80 to 85% ICU occupancy. So the numbers can fluctuate quite a bit.”"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/18/florida-has-less-than-25-of-its-icu-beds-available/%3foutputType=amp

[Cooterpoot]

And as of last week 84% were occupied.

Meh, prob fake news anyway. **

Then you should've said that instead of the number you presented. But they're not piling up bodies yet. And they won't. Not like NY.

[Dawg2003]

NY's numbers are gonna be fascinating to watch. They just had another problem with a big crowd ignoring social distancing today ( https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/partys-over-officers-head-to-astoria-for-social-distancing-enfacement-after-crowds-hit-the-streets ) after the same thing Friday night. If their numbers don't start going up soon, I think they've hit some sort of immunity wall.

I also want to see how the South fares compared to NYC. The South is not really doing much to stop the virus right now, but New York was on lockdown for awhile. Will be interesting to compare the two in retrospect.

[Todd4State]

I also want to see how the South fares compared to NYC. The South is not really doing much to stop the virus right now, but New York was on lockdown for awhile. Will be interesting to compare the two in retrospect.

My educated guess is the South in general will have fewer deaths simply because we know how to treat it better than NYC did. Among other things.

[msstate7]

"“It’s all very flexible and fluid depending on the patient scenario in our hospital,” Neilsen said. “We probably run on average about 70% ICU occupied anyway. During the winter, most hospitals are running closer to 80 to 85% ICU occupancy. So the numbers can fluctuate quite a bit.”"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/18/florida-has-less-than-25-of-its-icu-beds-available/%3foutputType=amp

https://i.postimg.cc/J7Zb49Jj/881-D8-B13-0584-4-BC6-A6-B5-3033-B1578-CB9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/z3DLx2xf)

https://twitter.com/rebelacole/status/1284663150495883266?s=21

[msstate7]

Florida vs NY vs TX death chart...

https://i.postimg.cc/sfM3YrKZ/1-B040-F3-C-12-C5-490-C-9-A8-F-09441-CDE204-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/z31mN4sJ)

[Dawg2003]

https://i.postimg.cc/J7Zb49Jj/881-D8-B13-0584-4-BC6-A6-B5-3033-B1578-CB9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/z3DLx2xf)

https://twitter.com/rebelacole/status/1284663150495883266?s=21

That's good. You will have enough staff if you stop doing elective procedures. The problem is the hospital will lose money.

[Dawgology]

My educated guess is the South in general will have fewer deaths simply because we know how to treat it better than NYC did. Among other things.

And it is much MUCH more rural than NYC. MUCH.

It appears that this virus will (for the most part) have to run it's course. NYC got destroyed because it landed there first and their population is dense. The south went on lock down before the virus got here en masse like it did it NYC. By the time NYC was aware of the problem the virus has infilatrated NYC completely. As the south came out of quarantine the inevitable happened...cases rose...the virus is here now.

What will be interesting is to see how NYC fairs over the next month. It will be a litmus test for the rest of the country. It's really bad news if we start seeing a massive spike in NYC over the next 3-4 weeks.

[Dawgology]

https://i.postimg.cc/J7Zb49Jj/881-D8-B13-0584-4-BC6-A6-B5-3033-B1578-CB9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/z3DLx2xf)

https://twitter.com/rebelacole/status/1284663150495883266?s=21

Stats. I'm not saying that this isn't "good" news but this could be a result of many hospitals stopping elective surgeries. We also saw a lot of hospitals mirror this drop back in April/May at the height of the Covid scare because many people stopped going to the hospital in general out of fear of exposure so occupancy in general dropped.

[StateDawg44]

And it is much MUCH more rural than NYC. MUCH.

It appears that this virus will (for the most part) have to run it's course. NYC got destroyed because it landed there first and their population is dense. The south went on lock down before the virus got here en masse like it did it NYC. By the time NYC was aware of the problem the virus has infilatrated NYC completely. As the south came out of quarantine the inevitable happened...cases rose...the virus is here now.

What will be interesting is to see how NYC fairs over the next month. It will be a litmus test for the rest of the country. It's really bad news if we start seeing a massive spike in NYC over the next 3-4 weeks.

So when do you believe COVID first arrived in the US?

Not when was it first detected. The first case on US soil before it was a known virus.

[DownwardDawg]

So when do you believe COVID first arrived in the US?

Not when was it first detected. The first case on US soil before it was a known virus.

My daughter and family went on a Disney cruise out of Miami the first week of December. She got seriously ill. Was finally diagnosed with an “unknown virus “. Two negative flu tests and they still treated her with tamiflu. It finally ran its course. My granddaughter was 5 at the time. She was almost admitted to the hospital. High fever for several days and again no diagnosis could be made.

[Dawgology]

So when do you believe COVID first arrived in the US?

Not when was it first detected. The first case on US soil before it was a known virus.

There's no way to know a specific date. Sometime between November 2019 and January 2020 I'm sure. That would be based on when it was first identified in Wuhan and CDC estimations.

It took until March 2020 for it to show up in high enough numbers in NYC for it to be a bona fide emergency and that's when the governor ordered a shutdown. So it took about 2 months for it to reach excessive levels in a densly populated area like NYC and that was before any controls were in place to reduce spread. The battle was over before their lockdown began. At that point it was just mitigating damages.

The entire nation (pretty much) followed suit and went on lockdown or stay at home orders by April. This slowed the virus for the rest of the nation but something like this won't be entirely stopped and it's R0 value just means that when an unaffected area reopens and a few cases show up it will spread (probably unassumingly) through that population over a few weeks and then it will blow up.

But the fact remains that due to the ruralness of middle america there is no way the virus could have reached those areas in the same capacity that it did NYC in that same time frame. It took 2 months to reach those levels in one of the largest most traveled to cities in the entire world. It's just not possible it makes no statistical sense. The response to this epidemic is not one size fits all and now you have middle america (including the southeast) weighing a second lockdown after barely surviving a first lockdown that probably wasn't 100% needed.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/s294DYyz/D0213-ADA-FFD2-4-F1-E-B8-C8-2776-F42-E2055.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Cowbell]

We need to just open things up and let this country operate with the freedoms it was built on. Let people make their own choices what risks to take and let businesses decide the same. Let the free markets operate and adjust and sustain. Same with schools. Let athletes play if they want or let them sit out. Let teachers out of their contracts if they don't want to work. Some will open on site and some online. But life will go on, economies will survive to some degree, and we will have some immunity going into winter. I say this with a 3 week old baby and a wife that spent 4 weeks isolated in a hospital room with this crap. All her doctors agree (large hospital). They laugh at mask requirements.

[Dawgology]

We need to just open things up and let this country operate with the freedoms it was built on. Let people make their own choices what risks to take and let businesses decide the same. Let the free markets operate and adjust and sustain. Same with schools. Let athletes play if they want or let them sit out. Let teachers out of their contracts if they don't want to work. Some will open on site and some online. But life will go on, economies will survive to some degree, and we will have some immunity going into winter. I say this with a 3 week old baby and a wife that spent 4 weeks isolated in a hospital room with this crap. All her doctors agree (large hospital). They laugh at mask requirements.

I don't laugh at the mask requirement. You know why?

Because since I've discovered the neck gaiter I've never found a good reason to actually wear one in my line of work. Now...I'm mandated to wear a mask and for some inexplicable reason this allows neck gaiters. I can go from mysterious looking ascot wearing guy to ninja mode in 1.03 seconds.

[BrunswickDawg]

I don't laugh at the mask requirement. You know why?

Because since I've discover the neck gaiter I've never found a good reason to actually wear one in my line of work. Now...I'm mandated to wear a mask and for some inexplicable reason this allows neck gaiters. I can go from mysterious looking ascot wearing guy to ninja mode in 1.03 seconds.

You need to take that up a notch. See if you can figure out how to parlay that into wearing a ghillie suit.

[Dawgology]

You need to take that up a notch. See if you can figure out how to parlay that into wearing a ghillie suit.

Dammit...you're a genius!

[Cowbell]

I don't laugh at the mask requirement. You know why?

Because since I've discover the neck gaiter I've never found a good reason to actually wear one in my line of work. Now...I'm mandated to wear a mask and for some inexplicable reason this allows neck gaiters. I can go from mysterious looking ascot wearing guy to ninja mode in 1.03 seconds.

Are you a pro bass fisherman***

[Extendedcab]

Are you a pro bass fisherman***

LOL! You guys are encourageable, I guess that is why I like this site so much!

[State82]

I don't laugh at the mask requirement. You know why?

Because since I've discovered the neck gaiter I've never found a good reason to actually wear one in my line of work. Now...I'm mandated to wear a mask and for some inexplicable reason this allows neck gaiters. I can go from mysterious looking ascot wearing guy to ninja mode in 1.03 seconds.

That is one of the first things I thought of because of have several I use for fishing. However, that material like Buff Headwear is made of is not very effective for reducing spread from your nose or mouth. It is very breathable, as it was intended. But, nobody is going to ever say anything about that if you have one on because it is not very well known.

[confucius say]

Almost 40% of fla cases are coming out of Miami now (Miami dade and broward counties) and 36% of fla cases have come out of those two counties.
If those counties were a state, they would have more cases than 42 of the 50 states. But the death rate is extremely low. 129k cases confirmed (prob well over a million using the 10x factor of the cdc) and only 1800 deaths.

[hacker]

1285347155759247360

ICU utilization rising sharply

[msstate7]

The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19

[Gutter Cobreh]

Not only that but hospitals retest in care patients every two weeks and then every week after a certain time limit. As long as the patient tests positive they are counted as a “new positive test” that day. I know for a fact that our local hospital has no way to differentiate in reporting between an actual new patient that just walked through the door and tested positive and a patient who has been there for 3 weeks and is still testing positive. They are all reported out in number of new positive tests for the day.

It’s an information mess.


1285347155759247360

ICU utilization rising sharply

Wish we could get some vcash wagers going on the conflicting data.... does one person count one time or multiple times???

[Dawgology]

The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19

Very interesting

[msstate7]

Concerns arise as some receive positive COVID-19 results but never got tested

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/07/20/concerns-arise-some-receive-positive-covid-results-never-got-tested/

[Gutter Cobreh]

Concerns arise as some receive positive COVID-19 results but never got tested

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/07/20/concerns-arise-some-receive-positive-covid-results-never-got-tested/

Context matters. From the article you linked:

"“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."

I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.

I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.

[DownwardDawg]

We need to just open things up and let this country operate with the freedoms it was built on. Let people make their own choices what risks to take and let businesses decide the same. Let the free markets operate and adjust and sustain. Same with schools. Let athletes play if they want or let them sit out. Let teachers out of their contracts if they don't want to work. Some will open on site and some online. But life will go on, economies will survive to some degree, and we will have some immunity going into winter. I say this with a 3 week old baby and a wife that spent 4 weeks isolated in a hospital room with this crap. All her doctors agree (large hospital). They laugh at mask requirements.

Ask any nurse that treats Covid patients and they’ll tell you that masks absolutely work to help stop the spread. The company I work for has hired 2 top infectious disease experts and they say masks are as important hand washing. There are several examples that show strong evidence that masks work. I work for one of the largest companies in the world. They have spared no expense trying to keep this virus from costing them too much loss. Masks are required 100% of the time pretty much while we’re doing anything other than eating, and they’ve made it to where we are properly distanced at meal times. So far we’ve done fantastic at keeping people healthy.
Look, I’m a hardcore conservative, but I’m married to a nurse of over 20 years and I know that masks work. People need to stop being scared of masks and protect your fellow man.

[msstate7]

Context matters. From the article you linked:

"“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."

I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.

I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.

I posted the title of the article and the link you dope

[DownwardDawg]

I posted the title of the article and the link you dope

Yeah. The article was pretty clear to me. This is the shit that makes people skeptical about the whole virus. It’s either political or incompetent testers.

[Dawgology]

Context matters. From the article you linked:

"“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."

I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.

I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.

Please explain how I’m trolling.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I posted the title of the article and the link you dope

Thanks for clarifying that the article doesn't reflect the title. It was very informative.


Please explain how I’m trolling.

I just added you because I'm upset your neck gaiter time is above 1 second. It's an insult to ninjas everywhere to have a time like that!

[ScoobaDawg]

I posted the title of the article and the link you dope

Lighten up francis.. it's you who screwed up... noone knew that was the title to the clickbait article.
the article as gutter posted fully explains what happen.. and it needs to be fixed. it was the same amount of people testing positives . just the wrong people notified... that's getting twisted into don't trust any response!!! the numbers are fake.
Which is not true..

[msstate7]

Lighten up francis.. it's you who screwed up... noone knew that was the title to the clickbait article.
the article as gutter posted fully explains what happen.. and it needs to be fixed. it was the same amount of people testing positives . just the wrong people notified... that's getting twisted into don't trust any response!!! the numbers are fake.
Which is not true..

I didn't screw up anything. There were posters here who said that people were being told they were positive that never got tested. There were other posters who mocked that and said that was nonsense. I never engaged in that argument either way.

Now about the article, how stupid are the test givers that ram a q-tip down someone's throat without even saying, "hey are you John q?"

[BrunswickDawg]

Context matters. From the article you linked:

"“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."

I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.

I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.

I'm sure a number of y'all will blast this -
But what articles like that show is the ill effects of long term funding and leadership issues within government agencies. Instead of being able to quickly adjust and manage data, Florida is having to rely on hand tallys? That's insane.
Georgia certainly hasn't kept up public health funding, but even we aren't doing hand tallys in the line.

My wife and son were tested the last week in June, when the wave started hitting here. They had drive thru testing at the Health Dept. After about 90 minutes waiting, they got about 10 cars back. Each of them was given a form with a QR code, and a matching QR code sticker. When the sample was taken, the QR code sticker was put on the sample, and the form was taken. So, if they had left the line, no one else's info would be used. Last week, my son was tested again (insurance requirements by his summer job), and the Health Department now has you register on-line for an assigned time, sends you the QR code via e-mail, your print it, when you show up they scan it, and then print a label for the test sample. Yeah, there is room for error - but nothing like what that article describes.

So back to the first point - when you starve government agencies so that basics like data management are not modernized, and you install political leadership in those agencies - you get Florida. Or, New Jersey, who's Unemployment data management is so old they had no one who knew COBOL on staff to be able re-program changes. And no, I'm not calling for outrageous liberal tax and spend policies to cure our ills. But, if you spend 40 years preaching against government spending, while putting pet projects and wars on credit cards and not maintaining basic services, you guarantee certain results - and a lot of what we are seeing going right now is a reflection of that.

[Dawgology]

Thanks for clarifying that the article doesn't reflect the title. It was very informative.



I just added you because I'm upset your neck gaiter time is above 1 second. It's an insult to ninjas everywhere to have a time like that!

Valid point. I'll start training and conditioning. There are no excuses!

[Dawgology]

I'm sure a number of y'all will blast this -
But what articles like that show is the ill effects of long term funding and leadership issues within government agencies. Instead of being able to quickly adjust and manage data, Florida is having to rely on hand tallys? That's insane.
Georgia certainly hasn't kept up public health funding, but even we aren't doing hand tallys in the line.

My wife and son were tested the last week in June, when the wave started hitting here. They had drive thru testing at the Health Dept. After about 90 minutes waiting, they got about 10 cars back. Each of them was given a form with a QR code, and a matching QR code sticker. When the sample was taken, the QR code sticker was put on the sample, and the form was taken. So, if they had left the line, no one else's info would be used. Last week, my son was tested again (insurance requirements by his summer job), and the Health Department now has you register on-line for an assigned time, sends you the QR code via e-mail, your print it, when you show up they scan it, and then print a label for the test sample. Yeah, there is room for error - but nothing like what that article describes.

So back to the first point - when you starve government agencies so that basics like data management are not modernized, and you install political leadership in those agencies - you get Florida. Or, New Jersey, who's Unemployment data management is so old they had no one who knew COBOL on staff to be able re-program changes. And no, I'm not calling for outrageous liberal tax and spend policies to cure our ills. But, if you spend 40 years preaching against government spending, while putting pet projects and wars on credit cards and not maintaining basic services, you guarantee certain results - and a lot of what we are seeing going right now is a reflection of that.

Amen and preach!!

[msstate7]

The funny part of this testing mishap is we actually have people that think we should be contact tracing. We can't even keep up with who we tested to start with.

[BrunswickDawg]

The funny part of this testing mishap is we actually have people that think we should be contact tracing. We can't even keep up with who we tested to start with.

It's no coincidence that it's universities that have been able to do the most data mining and contact tracing in the US - they are the one area given funding and tools to be able to quickly adapt to these events. Or create risk assessment tools like this:
https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/

[DownwardDawg]

The funny part of this testing mishap is we actually have people that think we should be contact tracing. We can't even keep up with who we tested to start with.

Great point

[hacker]

The funny part of this testing mishap is we actually have people that think we should be contact tracing. We can't even keep up with who we tested to start with.

We should be. I think it's dumb to dismiss a powerful tool at our disposal just because some mistakes have been made. I'm pretty sure the mistake in the article you linked (and similar mistakes) represents a fraction of a percent of overall tests, which means we could contact trace 99.9% or more cases correctly. There's always going to be errors when the scale of an operation is as large as this one, but it's not statistically relevant.

[confucius say]

7 day moving average of daily cases in fla, Tex, and AZ are all flat or moving slightly down now.
Great sign! Hope that continues over the next 7 days.

[Gordon Gekko]

I'm sure a number of y'all will blast this -
But what articles like that show is the ill effects of long term funding and leadership issues within government agencies. Instead of being able to quickly adjust and manage data, Florida is having to rely on hand tallys? That's insane.
Georgia certainly hasn't kept up public health funding, but even we aren't doing hand tallys in the line.

My wife and son were tested the last week in June, when the wave started hitting here. They had drive thru testing at the Health Dept. After about 90 minutes waiting, they got about 10 cars back. Each of them was given a form with a QR code, and a matching QR code sticker. When the sample was taken, the QR code sticker was put on the sample, and the form was taken. So, if they had left the line, no one else's info would be used. Last week, my son was tested again (insurance requirements by his summer job), and the Health Department now has you register on-line for an assigned time, sends you the QR code via e-mail, your print it, when you show up they scan it, and then print a label for the test sample. Yeah, there is room for error - but nothing like what that article describes.

So back to the first point - when you starve government agencies so that basics like data management are not modernized, and you install political leadership in those agencies - you get Florida. Or, New Jersey, who's Unemployment data management is so old they had no one who knew COBOL on staff to be able re-program changes. And no, I'm not calling for outrageous liberal tax and spend policies to cure our ills. But, if you spend 40 years preaching against government spending, while putting pet projects and wars on credit cards and not maintaining basic services, you guarantee certain results - and a lot of what we are seeing going right now is a reflection of that.

Is the government starved for funding or wasting it on bloated bureaucracies and pet projects. I bet if you looked closely it would be the latter but let’s keep throwing money at government entities that have been proven to be inefficient and incompetent.

[StateDawg44]

We should be. I think it's dumb to dismiss a powerful tool at our disposal just because some mistakes have been made. I'm pretty sure the mistake in the article you linked (and similar mistakes) represents a fraction of a percent of overall tests, which means we could contact trace 99.9% or more cases correctly. There's always going to be errors when the scale of an operation is as large as this one, but it's not statistically relevant.

What good does that do you when the information is wrong?

[Dolphus Raymond]

1,635 new cases and 30 deaths in Mississippi.
#fakenews. I fear that we are slowly approaching a major crises that will inevitably result in Mississippi having to shut down.

[confucius say]

1,635 new cases and 30 deaths in Mississippi.
#fakenews. I fear that we are slowly approaching a major crises that will inevitably result in Mississippi having to shut down.

31. But 5 are from weeks ago. So 26 today. Which puts our seven day average at 15.5.

Of the 31 deaths, 1 in thirties, 1 in forties, 4 in fifties, 4 in sixties. 21 of 31 over seventy.

Hospital numbers keep climbing.

[Johnson85]

I'm sure a number of y'all will blast this -
But what articles like that show is the ill effects of long term funding and leadership issues within government agencies. Instead of being able to quickly adjust and manage data, Florida is having to rely on hand tallys? That's insane.
Georgia certainly hasn't kept up public health funding, but even we aren't doing hand tallys in the line.

My wife and son were tested the last week in June, when the wave started hitting here. They had drive thru testing at the Health Dept. After about 90 minutes waiting, they got about 10 cars back. Each of them was given a form with a QR code, and a matching QR code sticker. When the sample was taken, the QR code sticker was put on the sample, and the form was taken. So, if they had left the line, no one else's info would be used. Last week, my son was tested again (insurance requirements by his summer job), and the Health Department now has you register on-line for an assigned time, sends you the QR code via e-mail, your print it, when you show up they scan it, and then print a label for the test sample. Yeah, there is room for error - but nothing like what that article describes.

So back to the first point - when you starve government agencies so that basics like data management are not modernized, and you install political leadership in those agencies - you get Florida. Or, New Jersey, who's Unemployment data management is so old they had no one who knew COBOL on staff to be able re-program changes. And no, I'm not calling for outrageous liberal tax and spend policies to cure our ills. But, if you spend 40 years preaching against government spending, while putting pet projects and wars on credit cards and not maintaining basic services, you guarantee certain results - and a lot of what we are seeing going right now is a reflection of that.

Basics like data management not being modernized is not a reflection of government agencies being starved. If funding were the problem, you wouldn't have basics neglected. You'd have stuff around the edges. And the fact that one of your examples is New Jersey further puts lie to the idea that it's a funding issue. New Jersey collects plenty of money. They just chose to spend it elsewhere, and compounded that problem by promising a bunch of employees that future tax payers would pay an ever growing amount of money to them after they retire.

It's usually some combination of poor prioritization, politicization of spending decisions, and mission creep. The CDC completely 17ed us with their screwed up testing, and maybe that was just a fluke, or maybe they should have spent more time focusing on the actual mission in their title.

How many of these government agencies that are starved for funds and are failing at what is supposed to be their core jobs have had training in the past twelve months on diversity in the work place? Or even trans issues? Unlike the federal government, there are state agencies that can credibly claim that they are hurt by a lack of funding, and some of those probably exist in states that have a low tax burden despite having an affluent enough population that it should be higher.

[Dawgology]

Is the government starved for funding or wasting it on bloated bureaucracies and pet projects. I bet if you looked closely it would be the latter but let’s keep throwing money at government entities that have been proven to be inefficient and incompetent.

Yes. It's not that government needs more funding it's that it needs to redirect funding. The problem with government (at least in MS) is that it is all reactive and never proactive. Even if something is broken or outdated they won't fix it until it becomes a disaster or leads to a disaster.

[hacker]

What good does that do you when the information is wrong?

Let's say 1 out of 1000 cases there's an issue with the data. 999 cases are able to be contact traced just fine. 1 you went on a wild goose chase.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/LXYqzS5S/FC4406-E0-E0-F7-4-D21-A2-F9-8160-FCC3-B995.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qhrMT92D)

https://twitter.com/elonbachman/status/1282694960958115842?s=21

[Homedawg]

Let's say 1 out of 1000 cases there's an issue with the data. 999 cases are able to be contact traced just fine. 1 you went on a wild goose chase.

I'm clearly not as smart as you, but how can you say one case is messed up? If the article is legit and the positives are right, meaning the wrong person just got the positive, then the ENTIRE line following them would be wrong!!!
Example number 15 left the line never got tested. He gets a positive when it was actually number 16. So, wouldn't that have an trickle down on the end it's line or did they just get smart and fix it on number 17? Every screw up causes a mess. I'll hang up and listen to how you can trace w that mess!!!

[Homedawg]

And to add to the previous point it most certainly would change the number of positives. So 15 is a positive and 16 isn't. Well when 16 goes back in a week he is. So that's 2 for what was really one. And if the line is jacked up that bad from 15 on it could make a huge difference over time. It's not complicated to see

[Homedawg]

Context matters. From the article you linked:

"?This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You?re registered though, you?re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can?t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,? explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida."

I guess you and Dawgology can keep trolling this thread with every article and opinion you can find, but at least provide some context to your article. The story was about how people are getting positive results without taking the test, because results are provided based on the number assigned and if you leave before getting tested - you're getting the results of the person originally behind you.

I still don't believe that all results are accurate anyway, so I guess we should just stop testing like our POTUS would prefer.

Go read my post to hacker. Thought you were smart too... clearly I was wrong.

[Joebob]

And to add to the previous point it most certainly would change the number of positives. So 15 is a positive and 16 isn't. Well when 16 goes back in a week he is. So that's 2 for what was really one. And if the line is jacked up that bad from 15 on it could make a huge difference over time. It's not complicated to see

You must have missed Brunswickdawg's post from earlier. He showed how they handle this situation. Believe it or not, people do think of this stuff beforehand.

[Homedawg]

You must have missed Brunswickdawg's post from earlier. He showed how they handle this situation. Believe it or not, people do think of this stuff beforehand.

It shows you how to handle it, not how it was handled in this case. Pretty clear..

[Gutter Cobreh]

Go read my post to hacker. Thought you were smart too... clearly I was wrong.

What are you talking about Chief? My reply that you're referencing was to MSState7 and had nothing to do with whatever you and Hacker are discussing.

Since I'm replying though, I'll go ahead and throw my two cents in: The whole state of FL has bungled their response (ie data, tests, PR, etc.) from the beginning - which is where the article originated. Brunswick outlined the GA process. As you can see, there are different processes being done across the country, but Trump has decided his greatest accomplishment in this crisis has been the level of testing. For one, testing isn't administered by the Federal Government (as shown by testing processes within the states) and has been mismanaged from the beginning (ie wait times, amount of reagent and/or tests, false positive rates, etc.).

My stance has been (and will continue to be) that testing is only going to tell you how prevalent the virus is within your community - and that may be a stretch due to the amount of asymptomatic carriers. What I've focused on is whether health systems are being overrun. If we can weather the virus and not tax our hospitals (both urban and rural), I'm all for living life as normal as possible using science as our guide.

[confucius say]

National 7 day case average stays flat. Big for a Tuesday! Let's see if we can get it to drop by weeks end!

[BrunswickDawg]

What are you talking about Chief? My reply that you're referencing was to MSState7 and had nothing to do with whatever you and Hacker are discussing.

Since I'm replying though, I'll go ahead and throw my two cents in: The whole state of FL has bungled their response (ie data, tests, PR, etc.) from the beginning - which is where the article originated. Brunswick outlined the GA process. As you can see, there are different processes being done across the country, but Trump has decided his greatest accomplishment in this crisis has been the level of testing. For one, testing isn't administered by the Federal Government (as shown by testing processes within the states) and has been mismanaged from the beginning (ie wait times, amount of reagent and/or tests, false positive rates, etc.).

My stance has been (and will continue to be) that testing is only going to tell you how prevalent the virus is within your community - and that may be a stretch due to the amount of asymptomatic carriers. What I've focused on is whether health systems are being overrun. If we can weather the virus and not tax our hospitals (both urban and rural), I'm all for living life as normal as possible using science as our guide.

I shouldn't give Georgia too much credit - while they seem to have done well this making sure the right sample goes with the right person, the status update you get via e-mail telling you to check your results looks like it was written by a Nigerian Prince asking you for help with his lost fortune. I had to assure one of our posters on here that his e-mail response was legit.

[Johnson85]

What are you talking about Chief? My reply that you're referencing was to MSState7 and had nothing to do with whatever you and Hacker are discussing.

Since I'm replying though, I'll go ahead and throw my two cents in: The whole state of FL has bungled their response (ie data, tests, PR, etc.) from the beginning - which is where the article originated. Brunswick outlined the GA process. As you can see, there are different processes being done across the country, but Trump has decided his greatest accomplishment in this crisis has been the level of testing. For one, testing isn't administered by the Federal Government (as shown by testing processes within the states) and has been mismanaged from the beginning (ie wait times, amount of reagent and/or tests, false positive rates, etc.).

My stance has been (and will continue to be) that testing is only going to tell you how prevalent the virus is within your community - and that may be a stretch due to the amount of asymptomatic carriers. What I've focused on is whether health systems are being overrun. If we can weather the virus and not tax our hospitals (both urban and rural), I'm all for living life as normal as possible using science as our guide.

Not sure that's really true. I'm sure there's plenty to criticize Florida for, but they at least didn't force nursing homes to take in infected people. If you look at deaths per capita, they are pretty middling with 23.8 deaths per 100,000. New York is over three times that at 78.9. Massachusetts is at 122 per 100k.
New jersey at 176 per 100k. California is at 19.5 and Washington is at 19.3 and Oregon is 6.3. (https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases). If FLorida really botched it, then apparently government response just doesn't matter that much.

I do think people overestimate how much impact government policy has. I think some places like New York really made things worse with some terrible policy decisions, but mostly people's cases seem to be a function of how early they were exposed, what their density is, what their climate is like, etc. New York was a relatively perfect storm. Exposed when they were still experiencing cold weather and a dense population. Florida was fortunate that they were already pretty warm when they were exposed and less dense, but once it got hot enough to push people into air conditionoing, you saw the cases take off. California has the advantage of relatively mild weather in much of the state and relatively low density for a populous state, and they have locked down pretty severely, at least officially, but they are doing worse than Texas, which obviously has a lot of AC, although they did have the benefit of probably getting exposed later than California and Florida.

[confucius say]

National 7 day case average stays flat. Big for a Tuesday! Let's see if we can get it to drop by weeks end!

Stays flat again. Big for a Wednesday! Let's turn that curve baby!

[msstate7]

Remember when we were told how Japan citizens wear masks all the time, and that's why they whipped COVID? They're having a pretty big turn now...

https://i.postimg.cc/7YS8nwSQ/A1-ACFBC2-406-D-40-EC-9-AD6-917-B292-C4234.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rKyP86nS)

Don't get me wrong... they kicking the crap out of us. I do find it odd that the country that wears masks more than anyone is having a 2nd outbreak.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Where did the data go????

"Public health experts say detailed local data on where people are hospitalized — a real-time measure that does not depend on levels of testing — is crucial to understanding the epidemic, but federal officials have not made this data public."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/data-shows-where-covid-19-121321021.html

[Liverpooldawg]

Remember when we were told how Japan citizens wear masks all the time, and that's why they whipped COVID? They're having a pretty big turn now...

https://i.postimg.cc/7YS8nwSQ/A1-ACFBC2-406-D-40-EC-9-AD6-917-B292-C4234.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rKyP86nS)

Don't get me wrong... they kicking the crap out of us. I do find it odd that the country that wears masks more than anyone is having a 2nd outbreak.

Ugh, that's less than 750 cases a day in a nation of 126 million. We are having twice that in a state of 3 million.

[msstate7]

Ugh, that's less than 750 cases a day in a nation of 126 million. We are having twice that in a state of 3 million.

Thus the "kicking the crap out of us" part. Still, why are cases rising at an alarming rate in a country that wears masks religiously?

[Liverpooldawg]

Thus the "kicking the crap out of us" part. Still, why are cases rising at an alarming rate in a country that wears masks religiously?

They would have to be reporting about 63,000 cases a day to be where we are in Mississippi. I'd say they are still doing VERY well.

[Jack Lambert]

Thus the "kicking the crap out of us" part. Still, why are cases rising at an alarming rate in a country that wears masks religiously?

How many test do they do per day?

[msstate7]

How many test do they do per day?

We've tested 153,565 per million pop. They've tested 5,303 per million pop. Total numbers: US - 50.8 million, Japan - 670k

[Johnson85]

Ugh, that's less than 750 cases a day in a nation of 126 million. We are having twice that in a state of 3 million.

They could just now be getting the more contagious strain, so they might start seeing a bump. https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/

[Jack Lambert]

We've tested 153,565 per million pop. They've tested 5,303 per million pop. Total numbers: US - 50.8 million, Japan - 670k

Thanks for the info.

[Dawgology]

https://www.axios.com/cdc-coronavirus-cases-could-be-13-times-higher-5354be41-bc97-43c4-adbf-eab4bb54b14a.html

This article may have been discussed before but this research seems to indicate that infection rates are about 10x the number of positive tests on average.

That’s significant.

[msstate7]

Spain's upward trend continues... big jump today. Today's 2,615 cases is the highest since May 11

[Prediction? Pain.]

Thus the "kicking the crap out of us" part. Still, why are cases rising at an alarming rate in a country that wears masks religiously?

I haven't been following Japan but you got me interested, so I did a quick round of googlin'. As of a couple of weeks ago, most of the new cases were coming out of Tokyo and the majority of those apparently resulted from lax behavior in the city's, um, "entertainment" establishments (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/fears-creep-back-japans-coronavirus-spike-traced-nightlife-districts/):


"Most of these cases are related to Tokyo's nightlife districts and the authorities are focusing their testing efforts on people who work in these areas and trying to trace their customers," said Kazuhito Tateda, president of the Japan Association of Infectious Diseases and a member of the government committee set up to combat the spread of the virus.

"Places like Kabukicho, Shinjuku and Roppongi are quite dangerous and we are telling people that they have to be careful," he said.

The government has issued operators of host and hostess bars with guidelines on how to protect their staff and customers, but an industry that relies on intimacy for its appeal is inevitably resistant to adopting face masks, social distancing and rubber gloves.

There are indications that similar nightlife districts in other cities are also serving as ground zero for localised clusters, with eight female staff in a hostess bar in Utsunomiya, north of Tokyo, also testing positive. That outbreak has been traced back to a customer who had visited the club earlier in the month.

Just a wild guess here, but I bet that mask culture takes a back seat to something else when you saunter into a hostess bar.

In other semi-related news, the world champ so far appears to still be chugging along nicely. (https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Taiwan-COVID-19-response-saving-lives-and-economy-15416927.php) Taiwan, with their roughly 25 million people shoved into an island half the size of West Virginia, has to date 455 confirmed cases and 7 deaths. Unemployment is 4%. And they're playing baseball with undistanced, maskless fans:

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1282027395625754626

Here's an article (https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/covering-all-the-bases-how-taiwan-opened-its-baseball-season-amid-covid-19/) about how they coordinated the start of their baseball season, if you're interested.

Even with their proximity to China and huge number of commuters between the two countries, I'm sure the geographical advantages of the island is a massive help. Still, other places with similar advantages haven't done as well. And regardless, it's just damn impressive.


Indoors is a different story. To enter a restaurant, gym or office building, you still need to wear a mask and have your temperature taken, according to CNBC. Citizens disregarding mask regulations in certain areas, such as the subway, must pay hefty fines.

It's considered acceptable to name and shame mask slackers and quarantine breakers on social media.

What accounts for Taiwan's success in keeping COVID-19 at bay? These measures played a large role:

- Nearly universal mask wear.

- Strict quarantining of incoming visitors. (The quarantine, implemented in January, was relaxed on June 22 for business travelers of countries deemed low-risk. The United States was not among them.)

- Free, rapid testing; isolation; and contact tracing.

- Real-time electric monitoring of citizens' health records, patient visits and travel history.

(If you're interested in a quick(ish) read on some of the technological advances of their healthcare system that helped make their success possible, here you go. (https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/30/taiwan-lessons-fighting-covid-19-using-electronic-health-records/))

And, hell, why not, here's this cheery update on we're all doing in SEC and ACC country:

https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1286069284234354688

Ok, back to that job thingy that I'm supposed to be doing . . . .

[DownwardDawg]

I haven't been following Japan but you got me interested, so I did a quick round of googlin'. As of a couple of weeks ago, most of the new cases were coming out of Tokyo and the majority of those apparently resulted from lax behavior in the city's, um, "entertainment" establishments (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/fears-creep-back-japans-coronavirus-spike-traced-nightlife-districts/):



Just a wild guess here, but I bet that mask culture takes a back seat to something else when you saunter into a hostess bar.

In other semi-related news, the world champ so far appears to still be chugging along nicely. (https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Taiwan-COVID-19-response-saving-lives-and-economy-15416927.php) Taiwan, with their roughly 25 million people shoved into an island half the size of West Virginia, has to date 455 confirmed cases and 7 deaths. Unemployment is 4%. And they're playing baseball with undistanced, maskless fans:

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1282027395625754626

Here's an article (https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/covering-all-the-bases-how-taiwan-opened-its-baseball-season-amid-covid-19/) about how they coordinated the start of their baseball season, if you're interested.

Even with their proximity to China and huge number of commuters between the two countries, I'm sure the geographical advantages of the island is a massive help. Still, other places with similar advantages haven't done as well. And regardless, it's just damn impressive.



(If you're interested in a quick(ish) read on some of the technological advances of their healthcare system that helped make their success possible, here you go. (https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/30/taiwan-lessons-fighting-covid-19-using-electronic-health-records/))

And, hell, why not, here's this cheery update on we're all doing in SEC and ACC country:

https://twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1286069284234354688

Ok, back to that job thingy that I'm supposed to be doing . . . .

Very interesting

[hacker]

In other semi-related news, the world champ so far appears to still be chugging along nicely. (https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Taiwan-COVID-19-response-saving-lives-and-economy-15416927.php) Taiwan, with their roughly 25 million people shoved into an island half the size of West Virginia, has to date 455 confirmed cases and 7 deaths. Unemployment is 4%. And they're playing baseball with undistanced, maskless fans:


Check out Vietnam.

412 total cases, 0 deaths, 95 million population, land border with China

[yjnkdawg]

UMMC Message To Those, In Mississippi, Who Don't Think Covid Is A Big Deal, And Won't Do The Simple Things To Help.

https://twitter.com/LAWoodwardMD/status/1286342919880880129

[BeardoMSU]

UMCC Message To Those, In Mississippi, Who Don't Think Covid Is A Big Deal, And Won't Do The Simple Things To Help.

https://twitter.com/LAWoodwardMD/status/1286342919880880129

So now the state of MS is in on the conspiracy? Got it.*****

[FISHDAWG]

Wife and I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago (here in Georgia) to get med refills ... called ahead to let them know she was symptomatic and we both needed testing ... they said come on and when we got there nobody ... I repeat NOBODY in that Doctors office ( and it's a large office staff) was wearing a mask .... and didn't seem concerned .... I swear I don't know what to believe

[Jack Lambert]

Wife and I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago (here in Georgia) to get med refills ... called ahead to let them know she was symptomatic and we both needed testing ... they said come on and when we got there nobody ... I repeat NOBODY in that Doctors office ( and it's a large office staff) was wearing a mask .... and didn't seem concerned .... I swear I don't know what to believe

It is not going to stop. Mask might slow it down but unless there is a vaccine you are going to get it sooner or later just like the flu. I want to go ahead and get it then get it behind me. Go ahead and cough or sneeze in my direction.

[Joebob]

Wife and I went to the doctor 2 weeks ago (here in Georgia) to get med refills ... called ahead to let them know she was symptomatic and we both needed testing ... they said come on and when we got there nobody ... I repeat NOBODY in that Doctors office ( and it's a large office staff) was wearing a mask .... and didn't seem concerned .... I swear I don't know what to believe

Unbelievable. Here in Dallas, all medical personnel are wearing masks, and the doctor's offices won't let you in the door without one. In fact, you've got to almost beg them to let you come to the office and not do the telemedicine thing.

[msstate7]

Add Australia to the going the wrong way list... just a matter of time for everyone.

https://i.postimg.cc/G29XqZx7/F31-E84-FC-22-E5-486-C-9-EF3-CAE56249380-B.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jw06j39P)

[msstate7]

Japan's 726 cases today is their most since April 15th.

[BeardoMSU]

Add Australia to the going the wrong way list... just a matter of time for everyone.

https://i.postimg.cc/G29XqZx7/F31-E84-FC-22-E5-486-C-9-EF3-CAE56249380-B.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jw06j39P)

The maximum of that graph goes to 600, yes?