The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[DownwardDawg]

What's happening in Albany, GA? Anyone know? I've seen a lot of people saying it won't ever be bad around here because we're rural.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV0dNDeXYAIYb7y?format=jpg&name=large

1400 cases, 90 deaths in Dougherty County (Albany)

More deaths than Fulton County

Go to any gas station in rural Mississippi and watch. Several times I’ve been the ONLY person wearing a mask and sanitizing my hands before I ever sit back down in my truck. Went to Kieth’s Superstore on 49 just north of Hattiesburg yesterday. I had to run in for a second. I was the only customer in there wearing a mask and the place was packed. People standing in line buying food off the deli station. Workers were wearing masks but the lady serving had hers pulled below her nose.

[Cooterpoot]

Yep - rural areas are already the next wave. Cases up significantly yesterday in places like the Dakotas.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/17/rural-america-vulnerable-coronavirus-daschle-abrams-column/2994619001/

Rural areas have high percentages of older and poor people. Younger, educated people leave the rural areas.

[BrunswickDawg]

Rural areas have high percentages of older and poor people. Younger, educated people leave the rural areas.
The biggest thing is that they have the most limited access to medical services. Rural hospitals are almost non-existent. It is also a population that historically eschews doctors anyway, meaning they might not begin to seek care until it is too late. The potential for this to decimate rural areas is real and Albany is a good example because it is a rural hub city - so it is the only real medical access for almost an hour any direction.

[confucius say]

New Boston antibody test is promising. 200 people on the street who had no positive test were tested for antibodies and 64 showed antibodies. Small sample size, but great news!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/%3foutputType=amp

[Gutter Cobreh]

The biggest thing is that they have the most limited access to medical services. Rural hospitals are almost non-existent. It is also a population that historically eschews doctors anyway, meaning they might not begin to seek care until it is too late. The potential for this to decimate rural areas is real and Albany is a good example because it is a rural hub city - so it is the only real medical access for almost an hour any direction.

Correct BrunswickDawg! All rural areas have nursing homes and if it gets into those locations, then it's game over. When you add the need for extensive care needed plus the lack of acute care locations - it will decimate those vulnerable people.

I'm not one to live in fear, but to say it won't impact rural areas due to population density is naive.

[hacker]

New chart from MSDH:

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-hospitalizations-by-date-18.png

[SheltonChoked]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/n...0uofkK

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[Dawgfan77]

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Try this one
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

Also, From same publication on Friday
"New York City increased its death count by more than 3,700 on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it."

I posted these from a notorious liberal outlet so let's just see what happens over the next few weeks

[dantheman4248]

This virus sucks but it's not that bad man. It's not the damn bubonic plague.

77 said that 80% recovery rate was good odds. I'm going strictly off his bad numbers. By his measure it's actually safer to play Russian Roulette than it is to get Coronavirus. And he thinks it's good odds.


liberal want it to be as bad as possible. They see it as their only way of getting Biden into the white house.

This is an example of the problem with the whole political landscape. You think it's about "getting my guy" (Biden is not my guy) in. You vilify the other side to make yourself feel like the good guys. Newsflash. Both sides want this country to thrive. We have different opinions on how. Both sides want this country to be run the best possible way. When one side points out that Trump is doing a shit job, it's not because they hate him, ITS BECAUSE HES DOING A SHIT JOB. The man used twitter to incite riots for ****s sake. There's nothing to defend him on this. He dropped the ball and has kicked it down the hill. Now he's got a shovel and is digging as deep of a hole as possible for it. He's ****ing up my country and as an American that pisses me off.


That is where you are wrong. That hate for Trump is powerful.

Every comment I read of yours tells me you don't see other humans as humans but as devils trying to destroy your life. Yikes. (See how I flipped it around on you and are telling you what you think. Kinda how you are saying "all liberals hate trump. nope i'm right I know what they are thinking.)


Not sure why you're patting yourself on the back here when you were way off.

~2k people die from this every day, do you think this is over???? I'm one of the few who gave out a prediction and that was without social distancing coming into effect. So uhhh... I don't know why you're talking shit like you're the "right one" and that this virus is over. It ain't.


You are spot on. This shut down is 70-80% due to the trump hate couldn't impeach him
Trump shuts down China travel. Left: He is a vile person
Trump shuts down travel to Europe. He is a vile person
Ventilators?? We have an excess in some states
Trump pushed for stimulus. Dems wanted it shut down
Now pushing for more federal funding for small business.... left voted it down
Opening the country back up
Nope we are against it for 18 months unless your gonna pay us. Look at all the Dems wanting handouts for their states... those states are operating at a deficient
Now left are mad cause we don't have enough test....
It goes on and on
It's the left that's pushing what Dan the commi man wants. Fear fear fear. Don't let trump get re-elected
They have resulted in shutting down the country because of their hate of trump

You're a lost cause.


Not trying to flame you but I'd like to know what could he have done differently?

Most people who criticize him say what they would have done better. But I don't expect you to get that far before you've turned off the "liberal hate speech" and went back to your Trumpoganda cave.

Here's a few though: He could have not done the recent twitter outburst inciting riots. He could have acknowledged this a month earlier than he did instead of calling it the "left's new hoax." He could have not left it up to the governors and made an earlier unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained (and thusly be able to reopen individual states as we go.) Could have not thrown 55 million dollars of taxpayer money away on a bad deal that will give us nothing. Could actually support small businesses and the working class with the CARES act instead of spending so much time trying to bail out big businesses who can afford to go thin for a few months. Ask small business owner friends you know how much help they've gotten so far. It will probably surprise you.


No need the fact you have to research tells me enough.

Drinking as well

Have a great weekend

LMFAOOOOOOO. "The fact you have to research tells me enough."

Wow. Someone is offering to give you a deep dive into the past 2 months of failures with sources and you ridicule them for that? You're literally anti-knowledge.

I'm sorry for everyone who aligns ideals with this twat. He fosters the bad reputation and helps widen the divide between sides.

[Dawgfan77]

77 said that 80% recovery rate was good odds. I'm going strictly off his bad numbers. By his measure it's actually safer to play Russian Roulette than it is to get Coronavirus. And he thinks it's good odds.



This is an example of the problem with the whole political landscape. You think it's about "getting my guy" (Biden is not my guy) in. You vilify the other side to make yourself feel like the good guys. Newsflash. Both sides want this country to thrive. We have different opinions on how. Both sides want this country to be run the best possible way. When one side points out that Trump is doing a shit job, it's not because they hate him, ITS BECAUSE HES DOING A SHIT JOB. The man used twitter to incite riots for ****s sake. There's nothing to defend him on this. He dropped the ball and has kicked it down the hill. Now he's got a shovel and is digging as deep of a hole as possible for it. He's ****ing up my country and as an American that pisses me off.



Every comment I read of yours tells me you don't see other humans as humans but as devils trying to destroy your life. Yikes. (See how I flipped it around on you and are telling you what you think. Kinda how you are saying "all liberals hate trump. nope i'm right I know what they are thinking.)



~2k people die from this every day, do you think this is over???? I'm one of the few who gave out a prediction and that was without social distancing coming into effect. So uhhh... I don't know why you're talking shit like you're the "right one" and that this virus is over. It ain't.



You're a lost cause.



Most people who criticize him say what they would have done better. But I don't expect you to get that far before you've turned off the "liberal hate speech" and went back to your Trumpoganda cave.

Here's a few though: He could have not done the recent twitter outburst inciting riots. He could have acknowledged this a month earlier than he did instead of calling it the "left's new hoax." He could have not left it up to the governors and made an earlier unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained (and thusly be able to reopen individual states as we go.) Could have not thrown 55 million dollars of taxpayer money away on a bad deal that will give us nothing. Could actually support small businesses and the working class with the CARES act instead of spending so much time trying to bail out big businesses who can afford to go thin for a few months. Ask small business owner friends you know how much help they've gotten so far. It will probably surprise you.



LMFAOOOOOOO. "The fact you have to research tells me enough."

Wow. Someone is offering to give you a deep dive into the past 2 months of failures with sources and you ridicule them for that? You're literally anti-knowledge.

I'm sorry for everyone who aligns ideals with this twat. He fosters the bad reputation and helps widen the divide between sides.

I have stayed off this page today but did look at a few times including just a few minutes ago
I don't know you and really don't care to ever know you.
Your constant need for attention tells me you're likely around 24-29. Don't fully have a grasp of the real world and would rather argue than debate
Your a spiteful person who only comes here to start a fight or post dribble.
I'm not gonna post in this thread anymore. I think most would agree your post are insufferable And scream look at me. This is conducive to your age group. You get your kicks from attacking others.
Have a good weekend

[confucius say]

"Unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained . . . ."

I'm all for justified criticism, but please explain what your statement above would look like, keeping in mind the 10th Amendment.

[Todd4State]

77 said that 80% recovery rate was good odds. I'm going strictly off his bad numbers. By his measure it's actually safer to play Russian Roulette than it is to get Coronavirus. And he thinks it's good odds.



This is an example of the problem with the whole political landscape. You think it's about "getting my guy" (Biden is not my guy) in. You vilify the other side to make yourself feel like the good guys. Newsflash. Both sides want this country to thrive. We have different opinions on how. Both sides want this country to be run the best possible way. When one side points out that Trump is doing a shit job, it's not because they hate him, ITS BECAUSE HES DOING A SHIT JOB. The man used twitter to incite riots for ****s sake. There's nothing to defend him on this. He dropped the ball and has kicked it down the hill. Now he's got a shovel and is digging as deep of a hole as possible for it. He's ****ing up my country and as an American that pisses me off.



Every comment I read of yours tells me you don't see other humans as humans but as devils trying to destroy your life. Yikes. (See how I flipped it around on you and are telling you what you think. Kinda how you are saying "all liberals hate trump. nope i'm right I know what they are thinking.)



~2k people die from this every day, do you think this is over???? I'm one of the few who gave out a prediction and that was without social distancing coming into effect. So uhhh... I don't know why you're talking shit like you're the "right one" and that this virus is over. It ain't.



You're a lost cause.



Most people who criticize him say what they would have done better. But I don't expect you to get that far before you've turned off the "liberal hate speech" and went back to your Trumpoganda cave.

Here's a few though: He could have not done the recent twitter outburst inciting riots. He could have acknowledged this a month earlier than he did instead of calling it the "left's new hoax." He could have not left it up to the governors and made an earlier unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained (and thusly be able to reopen individual states as we go.) Could have not thrown 55 million dollars of taxpayer money away on a bad deal that will give us nothing. Could actually support small businesses and the working class with the CARES act instead of spending so much time trying to bail out big businesses who can afford to go thin for a few months. Ask small business owner friends you know how much help they've gotten so far. It will probably surprise you.



LMFAOOOOOOO. "The fact you have to research tells me enough."

Wow. Someone is offering to give you a deep dive into the past 2 months of failures with sources and you ridicule them for that? You're literally anti-knowledge.

I'm sorry for everyone who aligns ideals with this twat. He fosters the bad reputation and helps widen the divide between sides.

Link where I said I thought the "virus was over"? I'm not sure why you were taking shit to me in the first place honestly. It's definitely not as bad in America as many feared. I've never said anything about the rest of the world.

But hey! If you want to challenge someone on the front lines who has actually seen what is going on with your "knowledge" by all means...

Just know that the media lies are very apparent if only America could see it first hand. Pretty eye opening to me.

[dantheman4248]

"Unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained . . . ."

I'm all for justified criticism, but please explain what your statement above would look like, keeping in mind the 10th Amendment.

Oh i'm sorry I thought he had total authority. Forgot to fact check my source, didn't think I would have to since it's the president.***


Link where I said I thought the "virus was over"? I'm not sure why you were taking shit to me in the first place honestly. It's definitely not as bad in America as many feared. I've never said anything about the rest of the world.

But hey! If you want to challenge someone on the front lines who has actually seen what is going on with your "knowledge" by all means...

Just know that the media lies are very apparent if only America could see it first hand. Pretty eye opening to me.

You're the one attacking me for a back of the envelope super early prediction that with stats that you were touting would end up being close to right. I'm just confused why.

And for the record I asked you why you are talking like it is. I never said you said the virus is over. And there was nothing about the rest of the world. 2k people die everyday in the UNITED STATES.

I'm not challenging you... you're challenging me.

[dantheman4248]

"Unilateral decision to prevent the state to state spread and cause it to be contained . . . ."

I'm all for justified criticism, but please explain what your statement above would look like, keeping in mind the 10th Amendment.

Sorry didn't add my non-snarky reply to this.

If we would have had a unified front and been able to contain this from state to state at the beginning of march like we were with the shutdowns, many states like Mississippi would have already been fully reopened before April started. New York and a couple others would still be ****ed but as a group we would not be going through it.

[Todd4State]

Oh i'm sorry I thought he had total authority. Forgot to fact check my source, didn't think I would have to since it's the president.***



You're the one attacking me for a back of the envelope super early prediction that with stats that you were touting would end up being close to right. I'm just confused why.

And for the record I asked you why you are talking like it is. I never said you said the virus is over. And there was nothing about the rest of the world. 2k people die everyday in the UNITED STATES.

I'm not challenging you... you're challenging me.

Ok no link? Thanks.

[confucius say]

Oh i'm sorry I thought he had total authority. Forgot to fact check my source, didn't think I would have to since it's the president.***



You're the one attacking me for a back of the envelope super early prediction that with stats that you were touting would end up being close to right. I'm just confused why.

And for the record I asked you why you are talking like it is. I never said you said the virus is over. And there was nothing about the rest of the world. 2k people die everyday in the UNITED STATES.

I'm not challenging you... you're challenging me.

I'm not sure what you mean, but the President in no way, shape, or form has total authority just because he is the president. This isn't China. Perfect example, he doesn't have the authority to reopen any individual state right now.

[dantheman4248]

Ok no link? Thanks.

"I don't know why you're talking shit like you're the "right one" and that this virus is over"

Ok no link showing where I said you said the virus is over? Thanks.

Bad straw man argument is bad.

[dantheman4248]

I'm not sure what you mean, but the President in no way, shape, or form has total authority just because he is the president. This isn't China. Perfect example, he doesn't have the authority to reopen any individual state right now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dhni0fYpnXI

Only watch about the first minute or so. The CNN commentary as always is outlandish. This is nowhere near trump's biggest melt

[Cooterpoot]

Sorry didn't add my non-snarky reply to this.

If we would have had a unified front and been able to contain this from state to state at the beginning of march like we were with the shutdowns, many states like Mississippi would have already been fully reopened before April started. New York and a couple others would still be ****ed but as a group we would not be going through it.

Not true at all. We'd still be closed at least to a point. A couple weeks wouldn't have changed much at all.

[dantheman4248]

Not true at all. We'd still be closed at least to a point. A couple weeks wouldn't have changed much at all.

I disagree but to each their own and I feel like the main point is that if he would have treated this not as the liberals new hoax and would have been two more weeks in front of it then we would be infinitely better off. In the scheme of what he's ****ed up on this, his lateness in accepting this virus's reality isn't highest on the list.

[Todd4State]

"I don't know why you're talking shit like you're the "right one" and that this virus is over"

Ok no link showing where I said you said the virus is over? Thanks.

Bad straw man argument is bad.

It's not a straw man if YOU are the ones putting words into my mouth. Maybe that's why you get so many "ad hominem" attacks. The exact quote was "I'm not sure why you are patting yourself on the back when he was wrong."

I don't think it's over nor did I ever say it was. YOU'RE the one that said that not me. I said your to clarify what I meant projected death totals were off and I'm not sure why you were patting yourself on that back about that.

But carry on with whatever wrong bullshit you're going to post next but leave me out of it and don't tell me what I'm thinking to try to deflect and make yourself look better. Just say I misunderstood and move on.

[dantheman4248]

It's not a straw man if YOU are the ones putting words into my mouth. Maybe that's why you get so many "ad hominem" attacks. The exact quote was "I'm not sure why you are patting yourself on the back when he was wrong."

I don't think it's over nor did I ever say it was. YOU'RE the one that said that not me. I said your to clarify what I meant projected death totals were off and I'm not sure why you were patting yourself on that back about that.

But carry on with whatever wrong bullshit you're going to post next but leave me out of it and don't tell me what I'm thinking to try to deflect and make yourself look better. Just say I misunderstood and move on.

I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT WAS. I SAID YOU WERE TALKING LIKE IT WAS OVER. I DID NOT SAY YOU SAID IT WAS OVER. Jesus I don't get why people have to try to be right in every ****ing conversation and just double down when they are wrong. *******.

It's a straw man. You created a false argument (me saying you said it's over) and attacked it.

Saying a total prediction is wrong when this isn't over implies that you are talking like it is over. This isn't hard Todd, you're smarter than this. Stop doubling down on me being the boogeyman. I swear if I said the sky was blue someone of you would argue it.

[confucius say]

Sorry didn't add my non-snarky reply to this.

If we would have had a unified front and been able to contain this from state to state at the beginning of march like we were with the shutdowns, many states like Mississippi would have already been fully reopened before April started. New York and a couple others would still be ****ed but as a group we would not be going through it.

That's fine, but what through me off was the "unilateral decision" comment. He couldn't do that if he wanted to. If you are upset about a delay in a state shutting down, that anger should be directed at that state's governor, not the President. Trumps tune became more serious long before individual states began making the decision to shut down.

[dantheman4248]

That's fine, but what through me off was the "unilateral decision" comment. He couldn't do that if he wanted to. If you are upset about a delay in a state shutting down, that anger should be directed at that state's governor, not the President. Trumps tune became more serious long before individual states began making the decision to shut down.

Well this was in response to what trump specifically did wrong. Not getting into specific governors but trust me the one in my state is getting raked over the coals for his response too. Also Trump's tune was not serious long before. It was the same week as most states that he flipped.

With the unilateral comment I should have thrown some sarcasterisks in there initially. If you watched the video I linked in another comment you'd have context for that.

[dawgday166]

Well this was in response to what trump specifically did wrong. Not getting into specific governors but trust me the one in my state is getting raked over the coals for his response too. Also Trump's tune was not serious long before. It was the same week as most states that he flipped.

With the unilateral comment I should have thrown some sarcasterisks in there initially. If you watched the video I linked in another comment you'd have context for that.

What state you in?

[Todd4State]

I NEVER SAID YOU SAID IT WAS. I SAID YOU WERE TALKING LIKE IT WAS OVER. I DID NOT SAY YOU SAID IT WAS OVER. Jesus I don't get why people have to try to be right in every ****ing conversation and just double down when they are wrong. *******.

It's a straw man. You created a false argument (me saying you said it's over) and attacked it.

Saying a total prediction is wrong when this isn't over implies that you are talking like it is over. This isn't hard Todd, you're smarter than this. Stop doubling down on me being the boogeyman. I swear if I said the sky was blue someone of you would argue it.

I just don't like it when people put words in my mouth and tell ME what I'm thinking.

And since you think you know everything tell me what I'm thinking right now?

If I said the sky was blue you would tell me I was talking like I said it was purple. And then tell me it was strawman AFTER I told you my intent and then insisted that wasn't my real intent.

[Todd4State]

What state you in?

Probably China.**

[Cooterpoot]

I disagree but to each their own and I feel like the main point is that if he would have treated this not as the liberals new hoax and would have been two more weeks in front of it then we would be infinitely better off. In the scheme of what he's ****ed up on this, his lateness in accepting this virus's reality isn't highest on the list.

Name all the 17ing states that shut down weeks before us that are open. Not a 17ing one. So you're wrong again.

[chef dixon]

Not sure how you can say it's not as bad as predicted when we are sitting at 41k dead and no one has reopened yet. What someone may be seeing in their area on the "front lines" doesn't paint this picture accurately. I'd guess 90% of hospitals in this country are running less than average occupancy essentially by design right now. So if you're in a hospital chances are you're not "feeling" the hype.

[Todd4State]

Not sure how you can say it's not as bad as predicted when we are sitting at 41k dead and no one has reopened yet. What someone may be seeing in their area on the "front lines" doesn't paint this picture accurately. I'd guess 90% of hospitals in this country are running less than average occupancy essentially by design right now. So if you're in a hospital chances are you're not "feeling" the hype.

It's not as bad because the initial predictions by Dr. Fauci were much much higher. One big reason why the hospitals are running at a lower capacity in general is because they were all trying to prepare for the worst.

And now we're starting to talk about re-opening states in phases.

[dantheman4248]

I just don't like it when people put words in my mouth and tell ME what I'm thinking.

And since you think you know everything tell me what I'm thinking right now?

If I said the sky was blue you would tell me I was talking like I said it was purple. And then tell me it was strawman AFTER I told you my intent and then insisted that wasn't my real intent.

I did not put words in your mouth. I asked you if you thought it was over and said your comment comes across as you think it's over. That was why I incredulously asked if you thought it was over. If you don't want people implying that you think it's over, then why are you trashing an endgame prediction this early? That's what vibe you gave off. That's why I ASKED you if you thought that way.

Again you want me to be the villain here so bad you've somehow contorted your perception of reality. Re-read this tangent from the start. You've somehow missed some key things.

[dantheman4248]

Name all the 17ing states that shut down weeks before us that are open. Not a 17ing one. So you're wrong again.

What the **** does that have **** all to do with **** here.

I think that having a president take this seriously at least two weeks before he did would greatly have changed the trajectory. He's the LEADER of the free world. This has nothing to do with states that are already shut down and what not. You either missed my point entirely or must have quoted the wrong person.

[confucius say]

What the **** does that have **** all to do with **** here.

I think that having a president take this seriously at least two weeks before he did would greatly have changed the trajectory. He's the LEADER of the free world. This has nothing to do with states that are already shut down and what not. You either missed my point entirely or must have quoted the wrong person.

Why do you think those two weeks would have greatly changed the trajectory?

[chef dixon]

It's not as bad because the initial predictions by Dr. Fauci were much much higher. One big reason why the hospitals are running at a lower capacity in general is because they were all trying to prepare for the worst.

And now we're starting to talk about re-opening states in phases.

I'm not privy to his exact projections so correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't he say 100-200k? To me we are well on our way to that if it's 2k per day now and we haven't even started reopening yet.

I definitely agree we need to start opening stuff slowly so not using my point to argue that. It just looks pretty clear to me that the number dead is going to be quite big when it's done.

[dantheman4248]

Why do you think those two weeks would have greatly changed the trajectory?

Is that serious question?

Moving our whole response up two weeks would have brought in less outside cases, slowed the spread earlier, and enabled us to have better isolation of cases as there would be a smaller amount.

Why do you think two weeks would NOT have greatly changed the trajectory?

[dawgday166]

Probably China.**

Probably so. Maybe in best case scenario upper Eastern seaboard state or California. They all think the Feds should provide free lunches in those places **

[BeardoMSU]

Probably so. Maybe in best case scenario upper Eastern seaboard state or California. They all think the Feds should provide free lunches in those places **

Speaking of "free shit"....you'd be shocked to learn that tax dollars from states like Massachusetts help bankroll the infrastructure in Mississippi.*

https://media2.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/200.gif

[Todd4State]

I did not put words in your mouth. I asked you if you thought it was over and said your comment comes across as you think it's over. That was why I incredulously asked if you thought it was over. If you don't want people implying that you think it's over, then why are you trashing an endgame prediction this early? That's what vibe you gave off. That's why I ASKED you if you thought that way.

Again you want me to be the villain here so bad you've somehow contorted your perception of reality. Re-read this tangent from the start. You've somehow missed some key things.

Speaking of missing "key things" it should be abundantly clear that I don't think it's over.

Do you think it's over since you are the one patting yourself on the back with your predictions before it's over which you did first?

I don't care if you're the villain or not. I just wanted to know why you called me out in the first place? Even though I knew it would digress to this because ironically YOU always have to be right.

[dawgday166]

Speaking of "free shit"....you'd be shocked to learn that tax dollars from states like Massachusetts help bankroll the infrastructure in Mississippi.*

https://media2.giphy.com/media/83QtfwKWdmSEo/200.gif

True. Sip needs more of those northeastern tax dollars ****

[Todd4State]

I'm not privy to his exact projections so correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't he say 100-200k? To me we are well on our way to that if it's 2k per day now and we haven't even started reopening yet.

I definitely agree we need to start opening stuff slowly so not using my point to argue that. It just looks pretty clear to me that the number dead is going to be quite big when it's done.

Yeah- after he initially predicted millions would die.

[BeardoMSU]

True. Sip needs more of those northeastern tax dollars ****

I'm doing my best**

[dantheman4248]

That was as strong as a garlic milkshake.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Todd4State again.


Speaking of missing "key things" it should be abundantly clear that I don't think it's over.

Do you think it's over since you are the one patting yourself on the back with your predictions before it's over which you did first?

I don't care if you're the villain or not. I just wanted to know why you called me out in the first place? Even though I knew it would digress to this because ironically YOU always have to be right.

It's clear NOW that you don't. Hence why I ASKED.

And no. I was showing. that my predictions where right around where that study in question would have us end up landing.


Not sure why you're patting yourself on the back here when you we're way off.
Were is past tense and implies something in the past.



Let's assume this Santa Clara testing is true and 2.5% - 4% of the population has had the virus. (I'm skeptical, but that's another story.)

We need about 60% of the population infected for herd immunity.

That is a range of 15 - 24 times more cases than we have now to reach herd immunity.

Assuming 2.5% - 4% infected and our current 38000 deaths, if we were to reach 60%, that would be 570,000 - 912,000 deaths.

That's shocking to me. Did I do the math wrong? Someone check it.

I really don't think we should be in a rush to try to obtain herd immunity.

And my initial prediction was 500k.

Does this clear it up? I'm clear on you not thinking it's over. We're past that. I don't think this is over. My point was my prediction would fall right in line with that Sabra Clara study. You made a comment like the predictions were way off, but they weren't.

[Dawgfan77]

Dan the commi man

Please go away

Hailstate

[Dawgology]

I think this is what is confusing everyone. Initial predictions for death related to Covid WITH social distancing was in the millions...then it moved to "we may keep it below 1 million", then it was 500,000, then it was 250,000, now it is 100,000-200,000 now it's "we hope to keep it below 100,000". So we started with millions of death in the USA alone to possibly under 100,000. It is impossible that "social distancing" has created such a flattening of the curve unless the initial R0 and mortality rates are completely wrong. That is a massive miscalculation. In fact, in most instancing a miscalculation of this sort would end your career in the scientific community. And now there is a lot of chatter about the initial model out of the UK being flawed. Your argument is that if the President had done something two weeks earlier (which he did when he suspended inbound flights from Asian countries and was CRUCIFIED by his opponents for being racist when the "Chinese Virus" wasn't a real threat) then we would have been under...what...50k deaths? 30k? 10k? 100?

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but I've been watching the spin from both sides of this argument and it is ****ing hilarious.

[confucius say]

Is that serious question?

Moving our whole response up two weeks would have brought in less outside cases, slowed the spread earlier, and enabled us to have better isolation of cases as there would be a smaller amount.

Why do you think two weeks would NOT have greatly changed the trajectory?

I agree the two weeks would have helped with those things you listed In the second paragraph. But I don't think any of that would have "greatly changed the trajectory" of this worldwide pandemic.

[Todd4State]

It's clear NOW that you don't. Hence why I ASKED.

And no. I was showing. that my predictions where right around where that study in question would have us end up landing.


Were is past tense and implies something in the past.




And my initial prediction was 500k.

Does this clear it up? I'm clear on you not thinking it's over. We're past that. I don't think this is over. My point was my prediction would fall right in line with that Sabra Clara study. You made a comment like the predictions were way off, but they weren't.

Grammer smack belongs on sixpackspeak.com. I'll fix my phone.

[Todd4State]

I think this is what is confusing everyone. Initial predictions for death related to Covid WITH social distancing was in the millions...then it moved to "we may keep it below 1 million", then it was 500,000, then it was 250,000, now it is 100,000-200,000 now it's "we hope to keep it below 100,000". So we started with millions of death in the USA alone to possibly under 100,000. It is impossible that "social distancing" has created such a flattening of the curve unless the initial R0 and mortality rates are completely wrong. That is a massive miscalculation. In fact, in most instancing a miscalculation of this sort would end your career in the scientific community. And now there is a lot of chatter about the initial model out of the UK being flawed. Your argument is that if the President had done something two weeks earlier (which he did when he suspended inbound flights from Asian countries and was CRUCIFIED by his opponents for being racist when the "Chinese Virus" wasn't a real threat) then we would have been under...what...50k deaths? 30k? 10k? 100?

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but I've been watching the spin from both sides of this argument and it is ****ing hilarious.

Yep.

[Commercecomet24]

I think this is what is confusing everyone. Initial predictions for death related to Covid WITH social distancing was in the millions...then it moved to "we may keep it below 1 million", then it was 500,000, then it was 250,000, now it is 100,000-200,000 now it's "we hope to keep it below 100,000". So we started with millions of death in the USA alone to possibly under 100,000. It is impossible that "social distancing" has created such a flattening of the curve unless the initial R0 and mortality rates are completely wrong. That is a massive miscalculation. In fact, in most instancing a miscalculation of this sort would end your career in the scientific community. And now there is a lot of chatter about the initial model out of the UK being flawed. Your argument is that if the President had done something two weeks earlier (which he did when he suspended inbound flights from Asian countries and was CRUCIFIED by his opponents for being racist when the "Chinese Virus" wasn't a real threat) then we would have been under...what...50k deaths? 30k? 10k? 100?

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but I've been watching the spin from both sides of this argument and it is ****ing hilarious.

This guy gets it!

[hacker]

I think this is what is confusing everyone. Initial predictions for death related to Covid WITH social distancing was in the millions...then it moved to "we may keep it below 1 million", then it was 500,000, then it was 250,000, now it is 100,000-200,000 now it's "we hope to keep it below 100,000". So we started with millions of death in the USA alone to possibly under 100,000. It is impossible that "social distancing" has created such a flattening of the curve unless the initial R0 and mortality rates are completely wrong. That is a massive miscalculation. In fact, in most instancing a miscalculation of this sort would end your career in the scientific community. And now there is a lot of chatter about the initial model out of the UK being flawed. Your argument is that if the President had done something two weeks earlier (which he did when he suspended inbound flights from Asian countries and was CRUCIFIED by his opponents for being racist when the "Chinese Virus" wasn't a real threat) then we would have been under...what...50k deaths? 30k? 10k? 100?

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but I've been watching the spin from both sides of this argument and it is ****ing hilarious.

1. The initial projections were in the millions WITHOUT social distancing. The numbers Fauci and Birx were quoting a few weeks ago were from the Imperial College model. That model provides a few scenarios. The scenario without any action was 1-2 million deaths. The scenario with strong social distancing / lockdowns was 100-200k.

You can read the paper here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

2. Trump did not "suspend inbound flights from China." It was not a full travel ban. Thousands of people came into the country from China after his "ban."

Sources:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html

3. Two weeks would've made a big difference. We might have even been able to go into containment mode instead of mitigation.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/493128-90-percent-of-coronavirus-deaths-may-have-been

4. This is only my opinion but the biggest thing Trump could've done from the beginning is take the threat seriously. He had a chance to get all Americans on the same page. People from Mississippi and the South in general wouldn't have trusted Obama or somebody like that in this scenario, but they do trust Trump. He could've had the entire country pulling in the same direction.

Instead he called it a "democratic hoax" and compared it to the flu among a litany of other nonsense.

[dawgday166]

1. The initial projections were in the millions WITHOUT social distancing. The numbers Fauci and Birx were quoting a few weeks ago were from the Imperial College model. That model provides a few scenarios. The scenario without any action was 1-2 million deaths. The scenario with strong social distancing / lockdowns was 100-200k.

You can read the paper here: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

2. Trump did not "suspend inbound flights from China." It was not a full travel ban. Thousands of people came into the country from China after his "ban."

Sources:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html

3. Two weeks would've made a big difference. We might have even been able to go into containment mode instead of mitigation.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/493128-90-percent-of-coronavirus-deaths-may-have-been

4. This is only my opinion but the biggest thing Trump could've done from the beginning is take the threat seriously. He had a chance to get all Americans on the same page. People from Mississippi and the South in general wouldn't have trusted Obama or somebody like that in this scenario, but they do trust Trump. He could've had the entire country pulling in the same direction.

Instead he called it a "democratic hoax" and compared it to the flu among a litany of other nonsense.

Which democrats took it seriously back in January? Can you name the 1st one that came out and said this shit is serious, and when that was?

Cause I cain't find any.

[msstate7]

Fauci said it wasn't something the American public should worry about on Jan. 26th.
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/951325?section=newsfront&keywords=virus-outbreak-infectious-disease&year=2020&month=01&date=26&id=951325&oref=www.bing.com

Fauci said young people can go on a cruise on March 9th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#7e0423482d4d

...

How come no one holds his feet to the fire in this?

[hacker]

Which democrats took it seriously back in January? Can you name the 1st one that came out and said this shit is serious, and when that was?

Cause I cain't find any.

I didn't say any did. I didn't imply anything about Democrats doing anything better.

Trump is the leader of the country. Take his word for it, he's the one responsible:

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[dawgday166]

Fauci said it wasn't something the American public should worry about on Jan. 26th.
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/951325?section=newsfront&keywords=virus-outbreak-infectious-disease&year=2020&month=01&date=26&id=951325&oref=www.bing.com

Fauci said young people can go on a cruise on March 9th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#7e0423482d4d

...

How come no one holds his feet to the fire in this?

The very same expert advisor Trump is listening to. I guess leadership is shutting down the whole American economy with circumstantial (at the time) evidence and going against what you think is one of your trusted experts in an arena which isn't your expertise.

Ok ... got it. Hope next Prez has his finger continuously on the "Shut Down Economy" button *** Just in case hacker and dano get a little nervous ***

[Dawgology]

I didn't say any did. I didn't imply anything about Democrats doing anything better.

Trump is the leader of the country. Take his word for it, he's the one responsible:

398887965302091776

It's not his call what states do. That is up to each governor. The only time the President said it was his call he was loudly proclaimed a dictator by both the left and the right.

[hacker]

Leadership is not talking about your TV ratings and making jokes about ****ing models when thousands of people are dying

[DownwardDawg]

I didn't say any did. I didn't imply anything about Democrats doing anything better.

Trump is the leader of the country. Take his word for it, he's the one responsible:

398887965302091776

And he’s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!

[dawgday166]

And he’s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!

Biden would've done bettah ***************

[hacker]

Biden wouldn't even know what was going on.

I'm not a democrat.

I think just about all politicians are pieces of shit by nature. None of them have our best interests in mind.

Trump is worthy of heavy criticism. Some of it is hindsight, but most of it is not.

[dawgday166]

Leadership is not talking about your TV ratings and making jokes about ****ing models when thousands of people are dying

Now you might have a point there but ... that has nothing to do with what he's is doing or the decisions he's made. That's just him deflecting criticism and ... sometimes he do need to shut up without a doubt.

I'm not a huge fan of his personally or of his narcissistic nature. He can be quite irritating. But ... he has done some pretty decent things while Prez and if you can divorce his personality from the actual deeds then ... you're judging him more objectively.

[Dawgcap]

Social distancing was to slow the spread so hospitals weren?t overwhelmed. For the most part they haven?t been. Deaths are going to happen unfortunately but we have given our hospitals and scientists a fighting chance against a hidden virus.
We slowed and lowered the curve to best battle for each individual who will come down with it in the future.

[BeardoMSU]

And he’s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!

#cultofpersonality

[DownwardDawg]

Biden wouldn't even know what was going on.

I'm not a democrat.

I think just about all politicians are pieces of shit by nature. None of them have our best interests in mind.

Trump is worthy of heavy criticism. Some of it is hindsight, but most of it is not.

I agree with your entire post. I’m not a Trump freak. Just don’t see any other better candidates today or 3 years ago.

[DownwardDawg]

#cultofpersonality

Thank God he won!!! I can’t imagine where we’d be right now with the alternative.

[dawgday166]

I agree with your entire post. I’m not a Trump freak. Just don’t see any other better candidates today or 3 years ago.


Thank God he won!!! I can’t imagine where we’d be right now with the alternative.

Bingo.

[Todd4State]

Fauci said it wasn't something the American public should worry about on Jan. 26th.
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/951325?section=newsfront&keywords=virus-outbreak-infectious-disease&year=2020&month=01&date=26&id=951325&oref=www.bing.com

Fauci said young people can go on a cruise on March 9th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#7e0423482d4d

...

How come no one holds his feet to the fire in this?

Because the media likes him.

And that's where the media is really two faced. Trump has been listening to Fauci and yet they criticize everything Trump does while praising Fauci.

[dantheman4248]

I think this is what is confusing everyone. Initial predictions for death related to Covid WITH social distancing was in the millions...then it moved to "we may keep it below 1 million", then it was 500,000, then it was 250,000, now it is 100,000-200,000 now it's "we hope to keep it below 100,000". So we started with millions of death in the USA alone to possibly under 100,000. It is impossible that "social distancing" has created such a flattening of the curve unless the initial R0 and mortality rates are completely wrong. That is a massive miscalculation. In fact, in most instancing a miscalculation of this sort would end your career in the scientific community. And now there is a lot of chatter about the initial model out of the UK being flawed. Your argument is that if the President had done something two weeks earlier (which he did when he suspended inbound flights from Asian countries and was CRUCIFIED by his opponents for being racist when the "Chinese Virus" wasn't a real threat) then we would have been under...what...50k deaths? 30k? 10k? 100?

I'm neither Republican nor Democrat but I've been watching the spin from both sides of this argument and it is ****ing hilarious.

Hacker did a solid job of responding to this but I just want to add this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BSVYf_2XQN4

As the reporter pointed out we somewhat bought ourselves a month+ and we did not a damn thing. (If you ignore the admittedly funny cnn lines and just listen to the debate you see the problem that people have.

And as for the Biden criticizing him thing... to be fair, no way that dude knew what Trump did that day. His comment was to make sure we didn't come from xenophobia and from science. (While I disagree with the buzzword there, we shouldn't trust China. Period. That's a whole other conversation.) It was the poorest of timing and again no way biden was even cognizant of what he said (or what the corona virus is to be fair.)

[Jack Lambert]

I have been waiting on Walking Dead season final but they never finished it due to the virus. Great ready for a bunch of reruns on your favorite shows. We should have just let Macarthur lose back in the 50's.

[dantheman4248]

I agree the two weeks would have helped with those things you listed In the second paragraph. But I don't think any of that would have "greatly changed the trajectory" of this worldwide pandemic.

Agree to disagree. No guarantees for sure but it would not have hurt to have Trump pulling in the right direction earlier. That is the main point and that's where my criticism comes from. He could have done better. Which brings me to an overarching theme that people love to do. So Here's the rapid fire response:


Which democrats took it seriously back in January? Can you name the 1st one that came out and said this shit is serious, and when that was?

Cause I cain't find any.

Whataboutism


Fauci said it wasn't something the American public should worry about on Jan. 26th.
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/951325?section=newsfront&keywords=virus-outbreak-infectious-disease&year=2020&month=01&date=26&id=951325&oref=www.bing.com

Fauci said young people can go on a cruise on March 9th.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/#7e0423482d4d

...

How come no one holds his feet to the fire in this?

Whataboutism

How come no trump supporters hold Trump responsible for appointing him?


The very same expert advisor Trump is listening to. I guess leadership is shutting down the whole American economy with circumstantial (at the time) evidence and going against what you think is one of your trusted experts in an arena which isn't your expertise.

Ok ... got it. Hope next Prez has his finger continuously on the "Shut Down Economy" button *** Just in case hacker and dano get a little nervous ***

Glad he only surrounds himself with the best people.


And he’s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!

Whataboutism.

We're here with Trump. Why are we worried about what they would do. That's how you get a giant douche vs. a turd sandwich. We should all want Trump to be the best president Trump can be. If his redeeming quality is he's not Hillary then we as a society have failed.


Thank God he won!!! I can’t imagine where we’d be right now with the alternative.

Coronavirus would have mutated to spread via email.

[Extendedcab]

What state you in?


Russia ... He and Putin are buddies!

[Jack Lambert]

Russia ... He and Putin are buddies!

So what you are saying is he lives in California.

[dantheman4248]

.

[Extendedcab]

So what you are saying is he lives in California.

Priceless!!

[Johnson85]

Agree to disagree. No guarantees for sure but it would not have hurt to have Trump pulling in the right direction earlier. That is the main point and that's where my criticism comes from. He could have done better. Which brings me to an overarching theme that people love to do. So Here's the rapid fire response:



Whataboutism



Whataboutism

How come no trump supporters hold Trump responsible for appointing him?



Glad he only surrounds himself with the best people.



Whataboutism.

We're here with Trump. Why are we worried about what they would do. That's how you get a giant douche vs. a turd sandwich. We should all want Trump to be the best president Trump can be. If his redeeming quality is he's not Hillary then we as a society have failed.



Coronavirus would have mutated to spread via email.

You don't understand what whataboutism is. If whataboutism includes pointing out alternatives, then it's worthless as a concept. It is not whataboutism to point out that lots of people with access to the same information came to the same conclusion. It is a circumstantial defense against a claim that a person used poor judgment or logic or was a knowing bad actor.

Pointing out at that Obama handled the swine flu poorly is whataboutism (although sort of a weak form of it; if you are judging a president's performance, it is normal to compare to how other presidents handled similar situations). Pointing out that the Obama administration didn't restock the N95 stockpile isn't whataboutism; it's relevant to how prepared we were. Pointing out that Obama lied about getting to keep your plan would be what aboutism. Pointing out that Pelosi is holed up in her mansion with $13 per pint ice cream is whataboutism. Pointing out that Biden is maybe suffering from dementia is not really whataboutism if you are talking about in the context of the 2020 election. IT's relevant whether he could have done better.

[Joebob]

Thank God he won!!! I can?t imagine where we?d be right now with the alternative.

Have you even *tried* imagining it?

[MadDawg]

Have you even *tried* imagining it?

Ever imagined what it would be like to cut your foot off with a chainsaw?

[Extendedcab]

Ever imagined what it would be like to cut your foot off with a chainsaw?



LOL ... Nice!

[msstate7]

Would it have been better if Dems were in control? Check out this tweet (collage of Dem leaders on corona)...

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/1252188903634804736?s=21

Lifted from sps (drebin)

[Commercecomet24]

Ever imagined what it would be like to cut your foot off with a chainsaw?

Rep Given!

[Dawgology]

Would it have been better if Dems were in control? Check out this tweet (collage of Dem leaders on corona)...

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/1252188903634804736?s=21

Lifted from sps (drebin)

This. You can always find something to rebutt what was posted in these video clips. Why? Because Democrats have been talking out of both sides of their mouths since this began to cover their asses. They are no better or worse than Republicans or our President. Every...single...person..in politics is leveraging this virus for political and personal gain. Period.

[hacker]

Would it have been better if Dems were in control? Check out this tweet (collage of Dem leaders on corona)...

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/1252188903634804736?s=21

Lifted from sps (drebin)

Could you not do this exact thing with republicans? Hell, you could do it with just Trump and I'm sure somebody has. What's the point of posting this aside from more divisiveness?

Didn't take long to find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A

[msstate7]

Could you not do this exact thing with republicans? Hell, you could do it with just Trump and I'm sure somebody has. What's the point of posting this aside from more divisiveness?

Didn't take long to find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A

So everyone missed it? Only trump gets blame though

[SheltonChoked]

So everyone missed it? Only trump gets blame though

Trump gets the blame because he has done nothing.

One President, faced with a horrible choice, said " The Buck stops here"....

Making the tough decision is the ****ing job....

Trump said "I take no responsibility"

He should have been removed from office right then.

[Dawgology]

Could you not do this exact thing with republicans? Hell, you could do it with just Trump and I'm sure somebody has. What's the point of posting this aside from more divisiveness?

Didn't take long to find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A

I think that's the whole point of the post...

You have a large section of the media ONLY showing the clips that you posted and holding up the other side of this as the "good guys" while never showing those other clips. On the other side, your channels like Fox News show the clips of democrat leaders doing the same thing and they are villified as a biased news outlet. This is pure manipulation and there is no way that the media (in general) is not complicit. This happens to be an ethical violation.

[Dawgology]

Trump gets the blame because he has done nothing.

One President, faced with a horrible choice, said " The Buck stops here"....

Making the tough decision is the ****ing job....

Trump said "I take no responsibility"

He should have been removed from office right then.

Explain how he has done nothing. I'm interested in this take.

[hacker]

So everyone missed it? Only trump gets blame though

He's the damn president. You blamed Moorhead when he was in charge of our football program, didn't you? Or did you look for GAs to put it on?

[SheltonChoked]

Try this one
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

Also, From same publication on Friday
"New York City increased its death count by more than 3,700 on Tuesday, after officials said they were now including people who had never tested positive for the virus but were presumed to have died of it."

I posted these from a notorious liberal outlet so let's just see what happens over the next few weeks


I posted the link to the NYDH, with the historical deaths, vs what has been seen since covid.

All NYC is doing is what Italy and Spain did. the overall death rates are dramatically increased since the virus started. Occam's Razor says that's due to the virus.

But, since we still cannot test everyone, they are not going to waste a test on a dead person.

[msstate7]

He's the damn president. You blamed Moorhead when he was in charge of our football program, didn't you? Or did you look for GAs to put it on?

Fair enough, but congress, majors, and governors are not GAs. Governors and mayors esp have power, and they should shoulder blame.

[hacker]

Trump gets the blame because he has done nothing.

One President, faced with a horrible choice, said " The Buck stops here"....

Making the tough decision is the ****ing job....

Trump said "I take no responsibility"

He should have been removed from office right then.

Posting this again

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[msstate7]

Posting this again

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So if we come through this with less than the 100-240k fauci (expert) predicted, trump did a good job, right?

[Extendedcab]

He's the damn president. You blamed Moorhead when he was in charge of our football program, didn't you? Or did you look for GAs to put it on?

Moorhead did not have to work with congress or the supreme court and work within the confines of the constitution. Moorhead had an easier job!

[msstate7]

Moorhead did not have to work with congress or the supreme court and work within the confines of the constitution. Moorhead had an easier job!

Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.

Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.

He is in a no-win situation.

[BeardoMSU]

Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.

Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.

He is in a no-win situation.

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

[msstate7]

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

I'm certainly not a fan of trump's messaging at times. He throws a lot of temper tantrums for sure, but I do think he's done a good job

[BeardoMSU]

I'm certainly not a fan of trump's messaging at times. He throws a lot of temper tantrums for sure, but I do think he's done a good job

It's not just the temper tantrums. It's how he outwardly did not take this serious, and that attitude trickled down to all his sycophants, both politically, and his friends over at Fox/OANN.

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1225073987639705600

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1251911724913102848

[SheltonChoked]

Yep.

Because no one thought the USA would socially distance without people repelling....

From the WHO report in February... https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf


Achieving China?s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is
reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities

Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.

Cite: See the protests this weekend...

[confucius say]

It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.

This is fair. Nothing wrong with criticism for this.
But people need to understand that trump cannot dictate to the state governors what they will and will not do during these times. That's where I think hacker was misguided.
There is plenty of blame to go around here as far as handling things better, from trump to Fauci to cuomo to Pelosi etc... I think part of the problem was they, especially Fauci, were relying on The Who and other medical experts who in January were saying this is nothing to be worried about and humans are not even vulnerable.

[SheltonChoked]

And he?s done a pretty damn good job of handling this. If you disagree, name a Democrat that would have done better. Obama???? Lmfo!!!!! His nuts would have shriveled up inside his body. We may not have ever heard from him during this. Biden??? Hahahahahaba!!! Bernie?!? Shut down this ****in economy until 2030!!!!


Not that this matters to your strawman argument, but Obama (and Biden) did deal with a disease outbreak...

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ebola-response

[Dawgfan77]

Posting this again

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Why the need to post a tweet from 7 years ago and 2 years before he decided to run for president. It's very irrelevant in context to this pandemic

[SheltonChoked]

Explain how he has done nothing. I'm interested in this take.

Promised 30 million tests by end of March.
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-promised-27-million-coronavirus-tests-end-march-us-just-hit-1-million-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day

Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.

Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryestes/2020/03/28/states-have-are-being-forced-into-bidding-wars-to-get-medical-equipment-to-combat-coronavirus/#1edd9bfd1cde

The Advanced Medical Technology Association, which represents manufacturers of ventilators and other medical devices, wrote in a March 24 letter to FEMA that companies are facing the challenge of allocating devices to the health care providers who need them the most, as well as state and local governments.

"Some of these potential purchasers should have a higher priority than others based on the acuity of patient needs in their areas," wrote Scott Whitaker, the association?s CEO. "It is difficult for manufacturers to establish these priorities."

And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...

TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),

Still not enough testing

[hacker]

.

[hacker]

Why the need to post a tweet from 7 years ago and 2 years before he decided to run for president. It's very irrelevant in context to this pandemic

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

[confucius say]

Promised 30 million tests by end of March.
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-promised-27-million-coronavirus-tests-end-march-us-just-hit-1-million-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day

Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.

Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryestes/2020/03/28/states-have-are-being-forced-into-bidding-wars-to-get-medical-equipment-to-combat-coronavirus/#1edd9bfd1cde


And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...

TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),

Still not enough testing

Yea he pops off unnecessarily often.

No expert here, but there is no shortage of ventilators or hospital beds right? Only thing it seems we need to mass produce right now is antibody tests. Are we capable of that?

[Dawgfan77]

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

Has your thoughts and opinions changed in 7 years?? Mine has On several issues. I do not think you can bring up a tweet from 7 years ago and relate it today.
What were you doing 7 years ago?
What was your beliefs? Have your opinions changed?
Would help me understand your thoughts
It really has no basis to bring that up other than fishing for anti trump propaganda
I mean that was your right in a free country it over the last 6 weeks we live in some socialist country

[hacker]

Yea he pops off unnecessarily often.

No expert here, but there is no shortage of ventilators or hospital beds right? Only thing it seems we need to mass produce right now is antibody tests. Are we capable of that?

We need a lot more regular tests as well

[confucius say]

Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?

But his "leadership" is going to be touted after this as being tremendous if we get out of this with less than 100k deaths, no?

[confucius say]

We need a lot more regular tests as well

Why?

[hacker]

Has your thoughts and opinions changed in 7 years?? Mine has On several issues. I do not think you can bring up a tweet from 7 years ago and relate it today.
What were you doing 7 years ago?
What was your beliefs? Have your opinions changed?
Would help me understand your thoughts
It really has no basis to bring that up other than fishing for anti trump propaganda
I mean that was your right in a free country it over the last 6 weeks we live in some socialist country

So do you actually think his stance has changed on whether leaders are ultimately responsible?

Or are you just blindly defending him because he's on your team?

[hacker]

Why?

Antibody tests only tell you if a person has had it before, not whether they're actively infected. It doesn't help you control current infections.

We need to be able to find more mild cases so we can quarantine those people before they infect others.

South Korea, Norway, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, etc have all had success with a mass testing strategy.

[Extendedcab]

Because no one thought the USA would socially distance without people repelling....

From the WHO report in February... https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf



Cite: See the protests this weekend...

If you are comparing the government type of China with the US, you are way off base! That statement in the WHO report is the exact reason of corruption charges being levied at the WHO (and in particular Tedros Adhanom, Director of WHO) today, their blatant regurgitating the mandates of the Chinese leadership. If you think the Chinese people are any more committed to ending COVID-19 than the American people or any other people for that matter, you are severely misguided! The statement in the WHO report is pure propaganda since the people of China do not have the freedoms we have in America and therefore do not get to choose if they move around or stay at home. The choice is already made for them by their communistic government leaders.

In America we protest at the drop of a hat, in China if they protest, they are putting their lives in grave danger.

Have you actually been to China, as a businessman when you arrive, after getting the required visa, you are assigned a Chinese handler, with you every step of the way, that tracks your every move. You do not move anywhere without your handler.

[confucius say]

Antibody tests only tell you if a person has had it before, not whether they're actively infected. It doesn't help you control current infections.

We need to be able to find more mild cases so we can quarantine those people before they infect others.

South Korea, Norway, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, etc have all had success with a mass testing strategy.

But if you are showing symptoms sufficient to go get tested, aren't you quarantining? The people I know who have gotten negative test results were already quarantining several days before they got results and then were told to still stay quarantined even though the results were negative.

I think we'd be well served to pour our efforts into antibody testing.

[Dawgfan77]

So do you actually think his stance has changed on whether leaders are ultimately responsible?

Or are you just blindly defending him because he's on your team?

Defending him. Hahaha.
Yes I am pro trump but I'm not blind to see some of the issues he has
But, you took a tweet that's From 7, SEVEN years ago and tried to fit it into today. It has no relevance today. Makes no sense why you or whoever would look through thousands of tweets to find one and fit it into some narrative. This shows me that your blinded by your trump hatred

[Dawgology]

Promised 30 million tests by end of March.
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-promised-27-million-coronavirus-tests-end-march-us-just-hit-1-million-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day

Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.

Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryestes/2020/03/28/states-have-are-being-forced-into-bidding-wars-to-get-medical-equipment-to-combat-coronavirus/#1edd9bfd1cde


And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...

TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),

Still not enough testing

SO because he hasnt' done these two things you mentioned then the President has done nothing? How about this? The US has performed more Covid-19 tests than any other nation thus far...in a shorter time span.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-15..

Also, it's funny you reference an article on the DPA from March 28th. 5 days later the DPA was enacted by the President. Ultimately, though, he has left private owned companies alone and allowed them to support the effort at their own discretion (which they have). To date there is no shortage of ventilators in the US or critical care beds. I would say that some hospitals have struggled but other hospitals in thase same general regions are ghost towns. I think that has a lot to do with mismanagement of resources at the local level by hospitals. (i.e. We are short 5 beds so lets send the patient a county over to the hospital with 25 open ICU beds. Wait...then we don't get paid for them...)

[dawgday166]

He's the damn president. You blamed Moorhead when he was in charge of our football program, didn't you? Or did you look for GAs to put it on?

The difference is that Moorhead was in total control of the football team. Trump is not in total control of the US ... per the Constitution.

[Turfdawg67]

Not that this matters to your strawman argument, but Obama (and Biden) did deal with a disease outbreak...

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ebola-response

Yep. That administration put things in place to help protect us and the current administration gutted it. But he's got his scapegoat now, the WHO, and his followers will fall in line.

[Jack Lambert]

Yep. That administration put things in place to help protect us and the current administration gutted it. But he's got his scapegoat now, the WHO, and his followers will fall in line.

The CDC has not been cut since Trump has been in office. Not saying he didn't want to but it has not been cut or gutted.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I am thankful that I am not in the position where I have to defend the President?s response and leadership during the COVID crisis. Difficult job.

[FISHDAWG]

I will never look at this God forsaken thread again ..... people, if you want to blame someone then blame those sneaky lying bastards in China ....... I thought y'all were educated

[dantheman4248]

You don't understand what whataboutism is. If whataboutism includes pointing out alternatives, then it's worthless as a concept. It is not whataboutism to point out that lots of people with access to the same information came to the same conclusion. It is a circumstantial defense against a claim that a person used poor judgment or logic or was a knowing bad actor.

The point is that the *only* defense they have of him is pointing to others. Examples have merits sure, but when you can't even defend the actions on their own and use counter examples to someone who has said the system is broken and needs an overhaul, it does nothing but prove that point as well. I don't think Hillary / Biden would have done a better job. And I think the overarching symptom of the lesser of two evils. is that it continually lowers the bar.


So everyone missed it? Only trump gets blame though

Which one of them are the leader of the free world? If normal everyday people could see this coming a mile away and our appointed leaders could not then we have a serious issue, no?


Trump gets the blame because he has done nothing.

One President, faced with a horrible choice, said " The Buck stops here"....

Making the tough decision is the ****ing job....

Trump said "I take no responsibility"

He should have been removed from office right then.

You must spread rep around.


Moorhead did not have to work with congress or the supreme court and work within the confines of the constitution. Moorhead had an easier job!

Moorhead has some unruly folks leftover from the previous administration that did not mesh well with his leadership. Moorhead didn't cheat on the exams (perform insider trading, straight up steal american tax dollars), he just fostered the environment for it to happen. Moorhead took the blame for Cam Dantzler sitting out many games last year a lot like Trump is absolved i'd blame for many dems sitting out helping efforts. Moorhead was blamed for bringing Tommy Stevens in but it's Fauci's fault that Trump brought Fauci in. Does that clear up the comparison there?


Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.

Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.

He is in a no-win situation.


He doesn't have the power but he does have the influence to have governors fall in line. None took it serious enough before he finally gave in. Now some are following his "liberate" bullshit. If he was ahead of this, he would have had several states much better off and in much better condition than what they are in now. Some states like New York would likely still be lost causes, but some states could have fully reopened by now. As it stands we're in limbo. The gripe is that he did not pull in the right directions early enough (and now is pulling in the wrong direction.)

[dantheman4248]

I will never look at this God forsaken thread again ..... people, if you want to blame someone then blame those sneaky lying bastards in China ....... I thought y'all were educated

To take a page from the "also blame what about" group. I do blame China as the root of this shit. I also blame our American leaders for not being prepared.

We are having a new 9/11 every day in New York and acted far too late to slow it down.

[Extendedcab]

I will never look at this God forsaken thread again ..... people, if you want to blame someone then blame those sneaky lying bastards in China ....... I thought y'all were educated

Just because someone may have a good academic pedigree does not mean they not a complete idiot in real life! Book knowledge does not always equate to wisdom which is the practical ability to use you knowledge to make good decisions consistently throughout your life.

[Extendedcab]

To take a page from the "also blame what about" group. I do blame China as the root of this shit. I also blame our American leaders for not being prepared.

We are having a new 9/11 every day in New York and acted far too late to slow it down.

I don't think you are taking into account how close proximity these people live to each other. If you fart in one apartment, your neighbors can not only smell it but they can also tell you what you had for dinner last night! Is social distancing in NY as effective as say in rural MS? I don't think so!! Do the math!

[BeardoMSU]

Interesting perspective here, and relates to our discussion of leadership and messaging...

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/can-trump-be-all-things-to-all-people/

[Extendedcab]

Interesting perspective here, and relates to our discussion of leadership and messaging...

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/can-trump-be-all-things-to-all-people/

There are falsehoods in this article:

"And while Donald Trump trails Joe Biden on the matter of who the public trusts more to deal with this health crisis, when it comes to the economy, ..."

Yeah right! Biden has been absent this entire COVID-19 issue. I wouldn't trust Biden with my pet Airedale.

[BeardoMSU]

There are falsehoods in this article:

"And while Donald Trump trails Joe Biden on the matter of who the public trusts more to deal with this health crisis, when it comes to the economy, ..."

Yeah right! Biden has been absent this entire COVID-19 issue. I wouldn't trust Biden with my pet Airedale.

That is your individual opinion; Noah is quoting from current poling numbers. Sorry.

[dantheman4248]

There are falsehoods in this article:

"And while Donald Trump trails Joe Biden on the matter of who the public trusts more to deal with this health crisis, when it comes to the economy, ..."

Yeah right! Biden has been absent this entire COVID-19 issue. I wouldn't trust Biden with my pet Airedale.

Just like there is a blind loyalty to the republican side where 30% ask how high when he says jump, the flip side has about 35% of democrats who do the same thing. He trails. It's numbers. It's clear to me that you have main character syndrome. You don't even have a clue how to walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

[BrunswickDawg]

Kemp just semi-opened Georgia up starting Friday. Hospitals are allowed to start elective surgeries; restricted businesses like gyms and massage therapists can re-start friday following cleaning and social distancing requirements; restaurants and theaters that can follow social distancing can re-open Monday 4/27.

[BeardoMSU]

Biden has been absent this entire COVID-19 issue. I wouldn't trust Biden with my pet Airedale.

I'm not sure what you expect him to do, given that he doesn't currently hold any public office, lol. As the former VP and Dem candidate for POTUS, he has spoken numerous times :re COVID-19, and even developed a plan to combat the virus (see https://joebiden.com/covid19/). Now obviously, you can disagree with his proposed course of action, but it's not "nothing".

[Dawgfan77]

God I said I wouldnt but this I got to know

Why when trump cut off travel from China Biden and his dem friends called him racist and xenophobic?
And now dems are saying he didn't do enough.
What would they have said if had done some things earlier?

This is where some of you trump haters get confused.
They find ways to undermine and create turmoil
Hell does Biden even know he is running for president?

[Extendedcab]

That is your individual opinion; Noah is quoting from current poling numbers. Sorry.

Polls ... they can be biased too. If I call exclusively into democratic stronghold areas my numbers will be highly skewed. To be truly random this guy or his polling agency will need a good entropy engine, to pick candidates to poll, or his results will not be as random as he thinks.

[BeardoMSU]

Polls ... they can be biased too. If I call exclusively into democratic stronghold areas my numbers will be highly skewed. To be truly random this guy or his polling agency will need a good entropy engine, to pick candidates to poll, or his results will not be as random as he thinks.

Ok, whatever. Polls. Got it. I hope you didn't let that stop you from finishing the article.

[Jack Lambert]

Just like there is a blind loyalty to the republican side where 30% ask how high when he says jump, the flip side has about 35% of democrats who do the same thing. He trails. It's numbers. It's clear to me that you have main character syndrome. You don't even have a clue how to walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

I have learn not to believe polls. They alway poll more Democrats, where are they calling, who are they calling with most people only using cell phones and how they ask the question. You can get any results that you want. Hell Trump was losing the night before the election and he still won. I also don't trust the organization conducting the polls. All through 2016 primary Trump out performed all the polls in each primary and he out performed the polls in the States he won. Also Biden has cognitive issues and it will be very obvious during the campaign season and in debates. He will not be able to out spend trump or out campaign Trump. He does not have the physical or mental capacity to do so. I guess he is hoping that Shelter in Place is still inforce so he doesn't have to. His wife and kids should be ashamed to let him do this. He will also get clobbered in the debates if he even agrees to a debate.

[BeardoMSU]

He will also get clobbered in the debates if he even agrees to a debate.

I always chuckle when I see this statement, as if Trump is some cognitive wiz himself, or capable of staying on topic and winning a debate based on factual merit, rather than spiraling into his normal strategy of rambling attacks.

Now that doesn't mean I disregard your comments on Biden, but Trump isn't some intellectual tactician that will just blow by anyone because he's him, lol.

[dantheman4248]

God I said I wouldnt but this I got to know

Why when trump cut off travel from China Biden and his dem friends called him racist and xenophobic?
And now dems are saying he didn't do enough.
What would they have said if had done some things earlier?

This is where some of you trump haters get confused.
They find ways to undermine and create turmoil
Hell does Biden even know he is running for president?

This was already answered in both video form and written form in this same thread. You're proving the "this sign can't stop me because I can't read." over and over.

[dantheman4248]

I have learn not to believe polls. They alway poll more Democrats, where are they calling, who are they calling with most people only using cell phones and how they ask the question. You can get any results that you want. Hell Trump was losing the night before the election and he still won. I also don't trust the organization conducting the polls. All through 2016 primary Trump out performed all the polls in each primary and he out performed the polls in the States he won. Also Biden has cognitive issues and it will be very obvious during the campaign season and in debates. He will not be able to out spend trump or out campaign Trump. He does not have the physical or mental capacity to do so. I guess he is hoping that Shelter in Place is still inforce so he doesn't have to. His wife and kids should be ashamed to let him do this. He will also get clobbered in the debates if he even agrees to a debate.

Trump has cognitive issues. He thought he was dictator and didn't understand that his video skipped the entire month of February.

The truth is, he flubbed this pandemic and it will likely cost him the election. If he had done things I listed out then he would have EASILY won.

As for winning debates. Do you think being the loudest in the room means you win the debate? If Trump was scored accurately on any debates he's had with he media in the past month he would get a big fat F minus.

[Dawgfan77]

This was already answered in both video form and written form in this same thread. You're proven the "this sign can't stop me because I can't read." over and over.
Haha.
Your a weak minded individual. Your liberal pansy ass.
You consistently insult my intelligence.
You are so insecure about your intellect

Good luck

[Jack Lambert]

Trump has cognitive issues. He thought he was dictator and didn't understand that his video skipped the entire month of February.

The truth is, he flubbed this pandemic and it will likely cost him the election. If he had done things I listed out then he would have EASILY won.

As for winning debates. Do you think being the loudest in the room means you win the debate? If Trump was scored accurately on any debates he's had with he media in the past month he would get a big fat F minus.

Biden has some serious issues. Trump says things to troll.

[confucius say]

Trump has cognitive issues. He thought he was dictator and didn't understand that his video skipped the entire month of February.

The truth is, he flubbed this pandemic and it will likely cost him the election. If he had done things I listed out then he would have EASILY won.

As for winning debates. Do you think being the loudest in the room means you win the debate? If Trump was scored accurately on any debates he's had with he media in the past month he would get a big fat F minus.

I think not suffering from Alzheimers means you will win a debate against one suffering from Alzheimers. I don't like trump on a personal level. Don't like Biden either. I do however feel sorry for Biden right now watching him speak. He is suffering from a cruel, cruel disease and it's sad.

[BeardoMSU]

Biden has some serious issues. Trump says things to troll stupid ass liberal and he is very sucessful at it.

That he is, lol, but there have been documented moments a'plenty for him as well. Also one's ability to willingly and knowingly "troll" fellow Americans isn't a great quality in a human being, let alone POTUS, tbh.

[defiantdog]

There are falsehoods in this article:

"And while Donald Trump trails Joe Biden on the matter of who the public trusts more to deal with this health crisis, when it comes to the economy, ..."

Yeah right! Biden has been absent this entire COVID-19 issue. I wouldn't trust Biden with my pet Airedale.
Biden's Covid-19 plan is even worse than his picked VP.

[BeardoMSU]

Biden's Covid-19 plan is even worse than his picked VP.

I wasn't aware he had picked a running mate...

[Jack Lambert]

That he is, lol, but there have been documented moments a'plenty for him as well. Also one's ability to willingly and knowingly "troll" fellow Americans isn't a great quality in a human being, let alone POTUS, tbh.

He's just exposing them as to they really are. About time a Republican stood up to them.

[BeardoMSU]

He's just exposing them as to they really are. About time a Republican stood up to them.

Ok then, I guess.

[dantheman4248]

Biden has some serious issues. Trump says things to troll.

Jack you can't seriously think he was just trolling the media. Stop it.

[Jack Lambert]

I wasn't aware he had picked a running mate...

VP pick historically hasn't help or hurt.

[BeardoMSU]

VP pick historically hasn't help or hurt.

John McCain says "huh?" from the grave...

[Jack Lambert]

Jack you can't seriously think he was just trolling the media. Stop it.

He trolling because they are a bunch of prima donnas and he knows it and I will not stop it.

[Jack Lambert]

John McCain says "huh?" from the grave...

Mccain hurt him by the way he ran his campaign not because of his running mate.

[dantheman4248]

Haha.
Your a weak minded individual. Your liberal pansy ass.
You consistently insult my intelligence.
You are so insecure about your intellect

Good luck

I am so great
The best
You are weak minded weak conservative
New ideas scare u
Why use wheel when two leg work fine haha
You ask same question twice
I give answer and you still don't learn
Dummy
Haha

Good Luck

[defiantdog]

I wasn't aware he had picked a running mate...

He hasnt but it's going to be Elizabeth warren.

[defiantdog]

I just realized this turned political..... where's Hacker for some more depressing charts when you need him?

[dantheman4248]

He trolling because they are a bunch of prima donnas and he knows it and I will not stop it.

The dude went up there, made an ass of himself, lied about having total authority, posted a video showing his inaction for the month of February.

And you're defending it by saying he was just trolling. During a giant pandemic where a 9/11 scale attack happens every day, he was just trolling.

Could you imagine Dubya doing that after 9/11? Woof.

Even if he's "trolling" that is a horrible thing for him to be doing when this country needs to be united more than ever.

[BeardoMSU]

Mccain hurt him by the way he ran his campaign not because of his running mate.

Ask Steve Schmidt about the wrecking ball effect she had on their campaign... She was absolutely awful, evident in the fact she hasn't done a damn thing in American politics since.

But whatever, Jack.

[StateDawg44]

I think not suffering from Alzheimers means you will win a debate against one suffering from Alzheimers. I don't like trump on a personal level. Don't like Biden either.



Well all you have to do to fix this problem according to Dan is stay informed & pick one or the other. You can also not vote and that's ok.

So pick one of the crooked ass politicians or don't vote. That'll get things fixed. ****

And if that doesn't work take it to the internet and argue opinions with people and belittle them and tell them how dumb they are simply because they don't agree with what you say. This raises awareness and informs the masses that we will have the same type of options in 4 more years. So just get ready and watch things change because you have shared your opinion.

[BeardoMSU]

He hasnt but it's going to be Elizabeth warren.

Wanna bet, lol?

NO way he picks Warren, imo. She's way too polarizing, and his campaign has to be smart enough to know that. She couldn't win her own state, and brings zero cache or splash as a VP pick.

[dantheman4248]

He hasnt but it's going to be Elizabeth warren.

I've heard it's gonna be Klobuchar. Secures the midwest and makes the most sense. Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio would flip for sure. Don't see too many other states flipping either way at this point so that wins him the election.

[BeardoMSU]

Well all you have to do to fix this problem according to Dan is stay informed & pick one or the other. You can also not vote and that's ok.

So pick one of the crooked ass politicians or don't vote. That'll get things fixed. ****

And if that doesn't work take it to the internet and argue opinions with people and belittle them and tell them how dumb they are simply because they don't agree with what you say. This raises awareness and informs the masses that we will have the same type of options in 4 more years. So just get ready and watch things change because you have shared your opinion.

What about daytime drinking on a weekday? Is that an option?**

[StateDawg44]

The dude went up there, made an ass of himself, lied about having total authority, posted a video showing his inaction for the month of February.

And you're defending it by saying he was just trolling. During a giant pandemic where a 9/11 scale attack happens every day, he was just trolling.

Could you imagine Dubya doing that after 9/11? Woof.

Even if he's "trolling" that is a horrible thing for him to be doing when this country needs to be united more than ever.

Could you imagine thinking this comparison is even close to being the same thing? woof.

Can't believe even you tried to go there.

[Jack Lambert]

Ask Steve Schmidt about the wrecking ball effect she had on their campaign... She was absolutely awful, evident in the fact she hasn't done a damn thing in American politics since.

But whatever, Jack.

McCain cost himself the election not the running mate. He was a weak candidate.

[dantheman4248]

Could you imagine thinking this comparison is even close to being the same thing? woof.

Can't believe even you tried to go there.

You're right. That was just one day. Now we lose ~ 2k people a day in New York. I'm sorry for underselling this pandemic and comparing it to something small scale as 9/11. That's my bad.

[BeardoMSU]

McCain cost himself the election not the running mate. He was a weak candidate.

Holy cow. No he wasn't. Just because you don't like the man means what you're saying is true.

He absolutely smoked Obama is the first 2 debates, and was at most a push in the third. He was not the problem.

[StateDawg44]

You're right. That was just one day. Now we lose ~ 2k people a day in New York. I'm sorry for underselling this pandemic and comparing it to something small scale as 9/11. That's my bad.

9/11 also lead to a war you douche.

You are purposely playing obtuse and naive to how dumb of a comparison that was. Carry on though. Not much new.


You might as well spit in anyone who served in our military's face by acting like 9/11 was about only 1 day and the deaths that happened that day.

[Jack Lambert]

Holy cow. No he wasn't. Just because you don't like the man means what you're saying is true.

He absolutely smoked Obama is the first 2 debates, and was at most a push in the third. He was not the problem.

Being a good debater doesn't make you a good candidate if you are not willing to go after the other guy. The left pounded on him and he did not fight back. By the way I did like John McCain.

[dantheman4248]

9/11 also lead to a war you douche.

You are purposely playing obtuse and naive to how dumb of a comparison that was. Carry on though. Not much new.


You might as well spit in anyone who served in our military's face by acting like 9/11 was about only 1 day and the deaths that happened that day.

There's a little over ~7,000 American deaths attributed to Iraq/Afghanistan War. We're at 42,000+ due to COVID. Again it was a bad comparison on my part. I apologize to all the dead due to COVID for comparing it to a much less lethal war.

[Extendedcab]

Just like there is a blind loyalty to the republican side where 30% ask how high when he says jump, the flip side has about 35% of democrats who do the same thing. He trails. It's numbers. It's clear to me that you have main character syndrome. You don't even have a clue how to walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

[dantheman4248]

Extended cab I said republican side (ie ideology). Your post was a waste because you literally added to my point.

[Extendedcab]

Extended cab I said republican side (ie ideology). Your post was a waste because you literally added to my point.

Only in your communist mind!

[Extendedcab]

OK, back to our regularly scheduled program.

The Hill post all 50 states plans to reopen - updated at 4:20 pm. Please see the following link.


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/493717-heres-when-all-50-states-plan-to-reopen-after-coronavirus-restrictions

[Jack Lambert]

Army Corps of Engineer are bad ass!

[dawgday166]

Trump has cognitive issues. He thought he was dictator and didn't understand that his video skipped the entire month of February.

The truth is, he flubbed this pandemic and it will likely cost him the election. If he had done things I listed out then he would have EASILY won.

As for winning debates. Do you think being the loudest in the room means you win the debate? If Trump was scored accurately on any debates he's had with he media in the past month he would get a big fat F minus.

So what should Trump have done in Feb? Mandatory quarantine for everyone? What should've he have done that he didn't do?

BTW ... You probably posted some of what you'll spew back in your many ramblings on this thread, but I ain't time to filter through all that bullshit.

[Jack Lambert]

Mojo gets it!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFtl5fZpkE

[hacker]

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

[BeardoMSU]

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

The "traditional family" was a nice touch, too, especially for someone married 3 times, the latter of which he cheated on with a porn star whilst she was pregnant with his youngest son.

Yup....family values Jesus would be proud of.**

[BeardoMSU]

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

David makes some very valid points here...

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/evangelicals-have-abandoned-the-character

Edit: a very apropos excerpt...

"The response can’t be the checklist. And when vulnerable Americans suffer mightily from the health and economic consequences of a global pandemic the president minimized, the response can’t be the checklist. White Evangelical leaders owe us a serious argument as to why that checklist trumps character and competence in the leader of the free world."

[dawgday166]

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

Reagan was a democrat before Republican too. And a lot of Senators (old gen and new gen) were at one time too.

Dems moved over to Communism. Started with Lyndon Johnson and just kept going. Republicans ain't much better but they ain't communists.

[hacker]

Reagan was a democrat before Republican too. And a lot of Senators (old gen and new gen) were at one time too.

Dems moved over to Communism. Started with Lyndon Johnson and just kept going. Republicans ain't much better but they ain't communists.

It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

[turkish]

Depends on his opponent.

[turkish]

The "traditional family" was a nice touch, too, especially for someone married 3 times, the latter of which he cheated on with a porn star whilst she was pregnant with his youngest son.

Yup....family values Jesus would be proud of.**
Yet despite allll that....

That’s the part that really gives you fits. Lmao.

[turkish]

And when vulnerable Americans suffer mightily
I’m guessing unborn Americans are off limits in this debate? Or might they be vulnerable enough?

Apropos, indeed.

[dawgday166]

It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

[BeardoMSU]

I’m guessing unborn Americans are off limits in this debate? Or might they be vulnerable enough?

Apropos, indeed.

Good job missing the point, and ignoring the rest of the article.

[BeardoMSU]

Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

So 12 years ago Trump was still coming into his own, lol? Gotcha.

[dawgday166]

So 12 years ago Trump was still coming into his own, lol? Gotcha.

There's a lot of crap from Trump's past I ain't a fan of but ... I alright with how he runs the country for the most part. That's my point. Y'all's point ... just gonna hate him cause you don't like him. Got it.

In reality, living and doing business in NY City it was probably of more benefit for him to be a democrat back then.

[hacker]

Not understanding why this would be a big issue. The old saying is "when you young if you not a liberal you don't have a heart. When you old if you ain't a conservative you don't have a brain". So we know where dano be on all that. A lot of heart no brain ****

Y'all just finding nits to be against Trump on cause you don't like him. That's all. And y'all gonna stay that way too. I'm not crazy about him but I look more at overall results in a Prez. I got pissed at Republicans for trying to impeach Clinton over getting a blowjob in the WH. I didn't give a crap myself .. my standard is how is the country doing.

ETA: Reagan switched 18 years before he was elected Prez. I didn't know there was a requirement on how many years you been in a Party to run for Prez tho. Is there??

I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

[dawgday166]

I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

[hacker]

So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

I agree, politicians are bad people by nature.

Why is it every time I say something critical about Trump everyone rushes to defend him by bringing up some other politicians?

I have not once in this entire thread said a good thing about a single politician, democrat or otherwise.

I am strictly criticizing Trump. I'm not saying Obama and Hillary are better when I do that. It is not a dichotomy.

Trump is the president. He downplayed the coronavirus for weeks. He is ultimately the person who is responsible. He shouldn't get a free pass just because he's on your team.

If we had a dem president and he had the same response Trump has had, I would be saying this exact same stuff about him.

Honestly, before the virus, I didn't even pay much attention to politics because it's all bullshit. I have no skin in the game.

A lot of you get so offended when anything remotely negative is said about him. Why should he be above criticism? If you think he is, I believe they touch on this in the Ten Commandments.

None of this is directed at you specifically 166. Just the board in general.

[dantheman4248]

So is Hillary's, Obama's, etc. They far left in primary and fictitiously move to center for the general election. What's new about that.

That certain members of the board can't accept it as a fact. You see the multiple gullibles in here just lapping it up.

As for your question about february. Gathering PPE, Ventilators, prepping hospitals, prepping test kits, getting out in front of this thing. Those are all things he could have done. He acknowledged that there was an issue and then still a month+ later he was calling it the democrat's hoax instead of working towards fixing this right. Plenty of things he could have done. The inaction is costly and America pays the price every freaking day for it. It's sickening.

[dantheman4248]

I agree, politicians are bad people by nature.

Why is it every time I say something critical about Trump everyone rushes to defend him by bringing up some other politicians?

I have not once in this entire thread said a good thing about a single politician, democrat or otherwise.

I am strictly criticizing Trump. I'm not saying Obama and Hillary are better when I do that. It is not a dichotomy.

Trump is the president. He downplayed the coronavirus for weeks. He is ultimately the person who is responsible. He shouldn't get a free pass just because he's on your team.

If we had a dem president and he had the same response Trump has had, I would be saying this exact same stuff about him.

Honestly, before the virus, I didn't even pay much attention to politics because it's all bullshit. I have no skin in the game.

A lot of you get so offended when anything remotely negative is said about him. Why should he be above criticism? If you think he is, I believe they touch on this in the Ten Commandments.

None of this is directed at you specifically 166. Just the board in general.

The book of Leviticus is more important in this country than the 10 commandments. No idols (Trump, Money) before me. Love thy neighbor. Meh. **** that. If you have sex with another man or have sex with your sister then you should be stoned. (Even though Isaac is supposed to be the ancestor who we can all be traced backed to and Abraham and Sarai were siblings.)

The truth is you don't become conservative because you are imparted with this grand intelligence as you get older. You become conservative because you become hardened by the cruel reality of life and learn to only care about you and your own. Anything that threatens you and your own, you meet with animosity. It's wiser to give up fighting and just enjoy the years you have left because **** it, doesn't affect you anyhow. That's what wisdom you get by being older. Is it smarter? Sure. Self-preservation is smarter. Is it full of heart? nope. Is it an exemplary way to conduct yourself as a Christian? Nope. Is it smart to say otherwise? Currently yes. So they do. Bunch of ****ing Pharisees.

Society would stone Jesus as the Anti-christ if he came today. All in the name of the fear of communism/socialism.

[Dawg2003]

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

Trump is basically an old school Democrat. Hell, he ran on keeping SS and Medicare.

[Dawg2003]

I'm only saying this stuff bc the dude went into depth about Trump's ideology.

Trump's ideology is "whatever keeps me in power"

Trump basically gloms onto whatever he feels is popular. I mean, it's a good strategy, and it got him elected. But he could care less about any ideology and is far from conservative. He rightly understood that conservatism is not popular in this country, which helped him get elected. He throws the socially conservative Christians a bone now and then but probably laughs behind their backs.

[dawgday166]

That certain members of the board can't accept it as a fact. You see the multiple gullibles in here just lapping it up.

As for your question about february. Gathering PPE, Ventilators, prepping hospitals, prepping test kits, getting out in front of this thing. Those are all things he could have done. He acknowledged that there was an issue and then still a month+ later he was calling it the democrat's hoax instead of working towards fixing this right. Plenty of things he could have done. The inaction is costly and America pays the price every freaking day for it. It's sickening.

So you expect him to just snap his fingers and it happen overnight. Got that too. You must not understand how the Fed Govt works at all. It don't happen that way. And he was right saying Cuomo was calling for 30/40 thousand ventilators and never needed near that many. Cuomo's even admitted that.

You can certainly blame Trump since he's in charge, but things are probably happening faster now than they ever have before ... or I should say in a very long time. To get one mask somewhere via the Fed Govt requires a load of bureaucratic red tape. He issues the orders and others have to carry them out. And there is usually a shitload of paperwork before that happens in most cases. In this case, it seems that has been minimized IMO. And there is also a lot of Constitutional law that has to be taken into account with a lot of the decisions he's making cause ... he's not trying to be a dictator.

And if I recall ... In Feb Fauci was still saying we shouldn't be too concerned with it and we didn't have a positive (identified) 1st case till almost March.

[dantheman4248]

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to why

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterprise

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strength

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizens

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disaster

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like us

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream

**** it. I'm attacking this as a Christian.

Individual Freedoms: "No idols before me." God don't agree with you.

Right to life: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Both abortion and the death penalty are wrong here.

America First: Love Thy Neighbor. God disagrees again.

Freedom of Religion: circle back to 1.

Promote traditional family: Why does God make abominations without genitalia or with both? Why did God reward a brother/sister marriage? What's interesting is that the traditional biblical marriage was that the man owned the woman as property. But hey that's not good for business is it. We'll leave this one as a N/A. That keeps our tally as 0.5/4 for Republicans following God.

Reduce taxes: Greed man. Greed. Definitely not a trait God wants here. 0.5/5

Limited government: He is the ruler above all and absolute. I'll mark this one as N/A as well.

Close the Border: Love Thy Neighbor.

Strong Military: Yea... no. Not Christian thinking at all.

Reduce immigration: Love thy Neighbor

Private Healthcare: This one is more complicated because it definitely initially falls under love thy neighbor but your intentions COULD be to help everyone better in the long run. Call it a N/A.

Foreign Aid: Love Thy neighbor 0.5/9

Energy Independence: Not Applicable

No Carbon Tax: I think it falls under the branch of love thy neighbor, but I don't want you to feel too bad about this so i'll give you a wash here as well.

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Yep. **** the 13th, 19th, etc. amendments. It's every MAN (white, not black) has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Stop rewriting something that was written 250 years ago. It's still applicable now. But Trump's comments from 7 years ago aren't. We're definitely marking this as Anti-Christian as hell.

Pro Capitalism: Foster a place where it's better to not love your neighbor. Hmmmmm.

Final tally 0.5/11 Abortions are the only thing that is decidedly Christian. Party of Christianity my ass.

[defiantdog]

Can't we all agree that Nancy Pelosi is a horrible, hypocritical person and call it a day?

Now, let's all freak out on May 1st when everything is reopened and all of these people with symptoms infect the vulnerable. Yes, the economy needs to open but we need to be careful.

Also to add..... that stupid virus somehow brought my asthma back, and I'm on a stupid inhaler. I haven't used one of these since the 80s.

[dantheman4248]

Our first case was January 21st.

And I don't expect him to just snap his fingers and things quickly happen... you keep taking it to two extremes. Almost like their is a spectrum here he could have had of acceptable response. (I know talking about spectrums instead of black and white can be a tough subject for some people, but it'll be alright I promise.) Him getting the ball rolling on things he waited to get the ball rolling in delayed our initial response and has compounded this issue. Again no guarantees, but him giving that much of a gap of inaction really really hurt. I don't think that he could have snapped his fingers and this would have been stopped, but he could have done a much better job of trying to.

[dantheman4248]

Can't we all agree that Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump are horrible, hypocritical people and call it a day?

Now, let's all freak out on May 1st when everything is reopened and all of these people with symptoms infect the vulnerable. Yes, the economy needs to open but we need to be careful.

Also to add..... that stupid virus somehow brought my asthma back, and I'm on a stupid inhaler. I haven't used one of these since the 80s.

Fixed it, but I can admit that. Too many people deify trump to agree to it.

[dawgday166]

Our first case was January 21st.

And I don't expect him to just snap his fingers and things quickly happen... you keep taking it to two extremes. Almost like their is a spectrum here he could have had of acceptable response. (I know talking about spectrums instead of black and white can be a tough subject for some people, but it'll be alright I promise.) Him getting the ball rolling on things he waited to get the ball rolling in delayed our initial response and has compounded this issue. Again no guarantees, but him giving that much of a gap of inaction really really hurt. I don't think that he could have snapped his fingers and this would have been stopped, but he could have done a much better job of trying to.

No ... YOU keep taking it to extremes. Could he have done some things better ... Sure. But as I've stated before ... A LOT of smart folks were giving him their opinion and he had to wade thru all that to make any decision. And some of those smart people were wrong too. And Trump has erred also. You expected perfection when it was impossible to even come close to that.

[defiantdog]

Fixed it, but I can admit that. Too many people deify trump to agree to it.
Definitely not a Trump fan, but I'm afraid of the alternative. I'm afraid to reopen the economy, but I'm also afraid that my friends and family will be without a job if we don't. No matter what happens..... people are going to get pissed off and lives will be ruined.

[dantheman4248]

No ... YOU keep taking it to extremes. Could he have done some things better ... Sure. But as I've stated before ... A LOT of smart folks were giving him their opinion and he had to wade thru all that to make any decision. And some of those smart people were wrong too. And Trump has erred also. You expected perfection when it was impossible to even come close to that.

No. I expected better. Trump was supposed to bring in only the best around him. You asked me what I thought he could have done better. I answered. Then it's I'm expecting perfection. No, I expect better. Not a hard concept. The dude didn't do enough to quell this. Not near enough, not quick enough. And he's undoing what was working.

[dantheman4248]

Definitely not a Trump fan, but I'm afraid of the alternative. I'm afraid to reopen the economy, but I'm also afraid that my friends and family will be without a job if we don't. No matter what happens..... people are going to get pissed off and lives will be ruined.

This is where I have the disconnect.

You're afraid of them not having a job... why?

List out some reasons why.

And then ask yourself... can't the government subsidize these things right now? Instead of injecting money to big business... couldn't they cut out the middle trickle down man and just bailout on the personal level? We can throw 1.5 trillion into big business on a whim, but not give it to the people?

Can y'all at least follow the logic there? Idc if you agree with it, but damn at least be able to follow it.

[Cooterpoot]

Either y'all will make it or your lungs will melt. Good luck to you all!

[Homedawg]

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.

Ha ha ha.

[Homedawg]

It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

Lots of people donate to various campaigns. You know that right??

[Homedawg]

**** it. I'm attacking this as a Christian.

Individual Freedoms: "No idols before me." God don't agree with you.

Right to life: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Both abortion and the death penalty are wrong here.

America First: Love Thy Neighbor. God disagrees again.

Freedom of Religion: circle back to 1.

Promote traditional family: Why does God make abominations without genitalia or with both? Why did God reward a brother/sister marriage? What's interesting is that the traditional biblical marriage was that the man owned the woman as property. But hey that's not good for business is it. We'll leave this one as a N/A. That keeps our tally as 0.5/4 for Republicans following God.

Reduce taxes: Greed man. Greed. Definitely not a trait God wants here. 0.5/5

Limited government: He is the ruler above all and absolute. I'll mark this one as N/A as well.

Close the Border: Love Thy Neighbor.

Strong Military: Yea... no. Not Christian thinking at all.

Reduce immigration: Love thy Neighbor

Private Healthcare: This one is more complicated because it definitely initially falls under love thy neighbor but your intentions COULD be to help everyone better in the long run. Call it a N/A.

Foreign Aid: Love Thy neighbor 0.5/9

Energy Independence: Not Applicable

No Carbon Tax: I think it falls under the branch of love thy neighbor, but I don't want you to feel too bad about this so i'll give you a wash here as well.

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Yep. **** the 13th, 19th, etc. amendments. It's every MAN (white, not black) has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Stop rewriting something that was written 250 years ago. It's still applicable now. But Trump's comments from 7 years ago aren't. We're definitely marking this as Anti-Christian as hell.

Pro Capitalism: Foster a place where it's better to not love your neighbor. Hmmmmm.

Final tally 0.5/11 Abortions are the only thing that is decidedly Christian. Party of Christianity my ass.
Move to Russia and leave their thread. You've ruined hacker's good info for one.... two, clearly there's a better place for you to live. Take off

[dantheman4248]

You should stop by for the threads when someone says the Earth is, in fact, not 6,000 years old***

Gotta give beardo props for calling this early on.

[Homedawg]

This is where I have the disconnect.

You're afraid of them not having a job... why?

List out some reasons why.

And then ask yourself... can't the government subsidize these things right now? Instead of injecting money to big business... couldn't they cut out the middle trickle down man and just bailout on the personal level? We can throw 1.5 trillion into big business on a whim, but not give it to the people?

Can y'all at least follow the logic there? Idc if you agree with it, but damn at least be able to follow it.
If you throw money at the person instead of the business, the person has no job to come back to Bc the business is gone. And wo that there is no money for the "government" to support them. The government gets its money from businesses one way or the other. Wo them, there is no business tax and therefore no personal income tax. Is that hard to understand?? Oh yeah I guess the "government" will just pay for it and fix it forever?? Damn your ignorance shows no end.
And last time I checked the stimulus only gave 350 billion to the small business yet gave people checks in their pockets. Well.... some people. Hope you spend yours well....

[Jack Lambert]

Lots of people donate to various campaigns. You know that right??

He donated to both parties. He's a business man.

[dantheman4248]

If you throw money at the person instead of the business, the person has no job to come back to Bc the business is gone. And wo that there is no money for the "government" to support them. The government gets its money from businesses one way or the other. Wo them, there is no business tax and therefore no personal income tax. Is that hard to understand?? Oh yeah I guess the "government" will just pay for it and fix it forever?? Damn your ignorance shows no end.

The business should have saved up for a rainy day. Sounds a lot like socialism and handouts if the government has to subsidize the business.

If the businesses are run where they can't take a week of hiccup then they clearly are doing a poor job at running the business.

No really the problem with that is your comment lends to the fact that somewhere wealth is being created in this cycle. 1. if wealth can just be created, then why aren't they doing that instead of begging for a socialistic bailout. 2. You're saying that the government will get the money back out of the business instead of the people? Lower income people spend way more % of their wealth than high income. That money will get directly injected into the economy. The more hands it goes through and the more at the top, the more chances for it to stop and not be reinjected.

Without the CONSUMER there is no business and no income tax. Just look at oil to show you the true mark of this. Businesses will exist and rise up as long as there is demand.

[Homedawg]

The business should have saved up for a rainy day. Sounds a lot like socialism and handouts if the government has to subsidize the business.

If the businesses are run where they can't take a week of hiccup then they clearly are doing a poor job at running the business.

No really the problem with that is your comment lends to the fact that somewhere wealth is being created in this cycle. 1. if
wealth can just be created, then why aren't they doing that instead of begging for a socialistic bailout. 2. You're saying that the government will get the money back out of the business instead of the people? Lower income people spend way more % of their wealth than high income. That money will get directly injected into the economy. The more hands it goes through and the more at the top, the more chances for it to stop and not be reinjected.

Without the CONSUMER there is no business and no income tax. Just look at oil to show you the true mark of this. Businesses will exist and rise up as long as there is demand.

The businesses should have saved up for a rainy day? Hahah. Clearly clueless. And have a either have a govt job OR no job at all.
A week of hiccup hmm I'm pretty sure we are past a week. I've been reading your shit for weeks...
The lower percentage as you call it will spend it and will be fine. Some have more now than the ever had. Yet, our economy is about to be in the tank go figure....
Lastly, the businesses do come from consumers. But if there are no businesses, consumers can't do crap. But you can't see the forest for the trees

[starkvegasdawg]

This is the most political nonpolitical thread I've ever seen. But hell, I'll throw in my two cents.

For the person that was comparing abortion and the fealty penalty...that is the most 17ed up argument I've ever seen. With the death penalty you have someone paying the price for committing one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. With abortion, you have an innocent baby being killed for no more reason than the woman decided this just wasn't a convenient time to be pregnant in 99% of the cases.

[Matt3467]

You know Trump was a democrat until 2008 right? Wouldn't say ideology is his strong suit.


It's only been 12 years man. He donated to Hillary's campaign in 2008.

Trump was a registered Republican in the state of NY in 1987. A few years later he was an Independent. He's donated to both parties.

I used to have a really good video saved to my Youtube favorites but it's now banned by Youtube and it's incredibly hard to find anything anymore that paints him in a good light, but here's a good one that hasn't been banned yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi60DJvh9Pc It's an interview Trump did on Larry King in 1987.

Would like it if people at least watched the first minute or so before responding. The whole interview is great and one can see that his policies and viewpoints really haven't changed from 1987 to 2020.

Edit: Here's a great video as well a year later - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usb0iE5WiZI

[Matt3467]

This is an amazingly well put together video on Trump! I doubt some of the people here will watch all 25 minutes but it really shows just how consistent Trump has been.

Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYNhzS4xkss

Btw I don't endorse everything the content creator believes. The video happens to be very good.

[TUSK]

Some of you savages amaze me... wait... no, I'm not amazed...

carry on....

[SheltonChoked]

SO because he hasnt' done these two things you mentioned then the President has done nothing? How about this? The US has performed more Covid-19 tests than any other nation thus far...in a shorter time span.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19?time=2020-02-15..

Also, it's funny you reference an article on the DPA from March 28th. 5 days later the DPA was enacted by the President. Ultimately, though, he has left private owned companies alone and allowed them to support the effort at their own discretion (which they have). To date there is no shortage of ventilators in the US or critical care beds. I would say that some hospitals have struggled but other hospitals in thase same general regions are ghost towns. I think that has a lot to do with mismanagement of resources at the local level by hospitals. (i.e. We are short 5 beds so lets send the patient a county over to the hospital with 25 open ICU beds. Wait...then we don't get paid for them...)


What has he produced with the DPA?

Why are govenors having to get their own supplies.

We still cannot do more than 150,000 tests in a day.
To reopen, per the white house, we have to do 10x that.



We have vents due to social distancing..

Trump has done nothing .

No coordination.

Everyone is left to figure it out on their own.

That's on trump

[msstate7]

So what's everyone's opinion of trump? Jeez

[SheltonChoked]

But if you are showing symptoms sufficient to go get tested, aren't you quarantining? The people I know who have gotten negative test results were already quarantining several days before they got results and then were told to still stay quarantined even though the results were negative.

I think we'd be well served to pour our efforts into antibody testing.


We need both

Normal testing to do contact tracing and find the asymptomatic spreaders

Antibodies to see who has already had it and can *maybe* go back to work

*if it is true you cannot get sick again*

[Extendedcab]

**** it. I'm attacking this as a Christian.

Individual Freedoms: "No idols before me." God don't agree with you.

Right to life: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Both abortion and the death penalty are wrong here.

America First: Love Thy Neighbor. God disagrees again.

Freedom of Religion: circle back to 1.

Promote traditional family: Why does God make abominations without genitalia or with both? Why did God reward a brother/sister marriage? What's interesting is that the traditional biblical marriage was that the man owned the woman as property. But hey that's not good for business is it. We'll leave this one as a N/A. That keeps our tally as 0.5/4 for Republicans following God.

Reduce taxes: Greed man. Greed. Definitely not a trait God wants here. 0.5/5

Limited government: He is the ruler above all and absolute. I'll mark this one as N/A as well.

Close the Border: Love Thy Neighbor.

Strong Military: Yea... no. Not Christian thinking at all.

Reduce immigration: Love thy Neighbor

Private Healthcare: This one is more complicated because it definitely initially falls under love thy neighbor but your intentions COULD be to help everyone better in the long run. Call it a N/A.

Foreign Aid: Love Thy neighbor 0.5/9

Energy Independence: Not Applicable

No Carbon Tax: I think it falls under the branch of love thy neighbor, but I don't want you to feel too bad about this so i'll give you a wash here as well.

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Yep. **** the 13th, 19th, etc. amendments. It's every MAN (white, not black) has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Stop rewriting something that was written 250 years ago. It's still applicable now. But Trump's comments from 7 years ago aren't. We're definitely marking this as Anti-Christian as hell.

Pro Capitalism: Foster a place where it's better to not love your neighbor. Hmmmmm.

Final tally 0.5/11 Abortions are the only thing that is decidedly Christian. Party of Christianity my ass.

Your problem is, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURES. Sure, you can quote parts of scripture, so can Satan - Matthew 4, but you do not understand the bible or what is required of man!

As Jesus said in Matthew 22:29, when a TEACHER OF THE LAW came to Jesus and tried to trick him with made up fantasies and stories to prove how righteous they were, Jesus replied, ?You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God."

As Proverbs 26 says "Don?t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. ..." And that my friend is YOU!

[SheltonChoked]

You guys keep talking about loyalty to Trump. You still do not get it. It is not Trump as a person we are loyal to, but the ideology he represents.


Individual Freedoms: Get government out of the way so individuals can do what they do best OK Like marry who they want? be what gender they want? make their own health choices? Freedoms like that?

Right to life: Do not murder the innocent Says they guy arguing to reopen the economy and kill 30% of the old people

America First: After all he is President of the US not the world ????

Freedom of Religion: Including Christians, not just Muslims WTF You realize by limiting the state involvement in relation it protects Christianity

Promote Traditional Family: Mom and Dad (If I have to explain that, then you've lost all sense of biology)How does this link to personal freedom of not having the government tell you what to do. It's almost like one of these cannot be true...

Reduce Taxes: Self evident as to whyto increase the disparity between the rich and poor?

Limited Government: Large government infringe on its people, mandate higher taxes and interfere with free enterpriseHow is this different from point 1? and again, how does this happen when you also want the government to legislate your morality?

Close the Border: Every sovereign country has the right and obligation to do so. Illegal immigrants drain social services meant for legal citizens Cite? both for a Major candidate wanting no border, and for the social services drain. But where are the workers going to come from? Note the the GOP wanted to LOWER wages to workers

Strong Military: Self evident in todays world - Peace through strengthWe spend more than the next 10 countries combined.... 7 of them Allies with a mutual defense agreement... There are 22 aircraft carries in the world, the USA has 20 of them...
Who are we fighting?

Reduce Immigration: Keeps employment high and improves salary for its citizensWhere will the workers come from? we were at 3% unemployment and still were not raising wages, meanwhile the GOP was suggesting lowering wages to attract more workers...

Private Healthcare: Not government run - would be a disasterExcept for LITERALLY in every other industrialized country in the world, that all pend less public money than the USA does, for better results

Foreign Aid: Stop giving money to countries that don't like usno issue here, but what about those that do like us? or those that we want to sell things to?

Energy Independence: Why rely of foreign resources and support foreign nations that use that money to hurt the US?Great idea, Glad you like the Green New Deal. Because that's the only way we get Energy Independent

No Carbon Tax: Unfair taxation compared to other less developed nations Um you just said you wanted Energy Independence, I don't think you understand how that works...

Appoint Pro-Constitution Judges: Stopped appointing judges that rewrite the Constitution from the bench Completely agree

Pro Capitalism: Provides the best opportunity of living the American Dream With regulation it does, but the unregulated capitalism has killed the American dream since 1970...

[Commercecomet24]

Some of you savages amaze me... wait... no, I'm not amazed...

carry on....

Right on!

[Commercecomet24]

The businesses should have saved up for a rainy day? Hahah. Clearly clueless. And have a either have a govt job OR no job at all.
A week of hiccup hmm I'm pretty sure we are past a week. I've been reading your shit for weeks...
The lower percentage as you call it will spend it and will be fine. Some have more now than the ever had. Yet, our economy is about to be in the tank go figure....
Lastly, the businesses do come from consumers. But if there are no businesses, consumers can't do crap. But you can't see the forest for the trees

Yep.

[Dawg2003]

Definitely not a Trump fan, but I'm afraid of the alternative. I'm afraid to reopen the economy, but I'm also afraid that my friends and family will be without a job if we don't. No matter what happens..... people are going to get pissed off and lives will be ruined.

Agree. I have a lot of mixed feelings about everything.

[Extendedcab]

With regulation it does, but the unregulated capitalism has killed the American dream since 1970...

With freedom comes responsibility, something socialist and communist do not understand!

"Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry his own weight, this is a frightening prospect." - Eleanor Roosevelt.

With apologies to Bob Dylan for yet another paraphrase of his famous lyric, marriage is what it is. Regardless of attempts (and even successes) to redefine it in law, the nature of the institution remains unchanged. Faux marriages, be they same-sex or polygamous or whatever, are not what their participants claim they are. Men and women are created in “the image and likeness of God” (Genesis 1:26-27). They have equal value before Him. But equality does not mean the absence of differences, which intellectual honesty requires us to acknowledge. Procreation and complementarity are the twin facets of marriage as it is naturally, in terms of biology, neurology, morphology, and psychology. Neither procreation nor complementarity can be replicated in anything but a male-female union.

As has once been said - "The essence of freedom is that each of us shares in the shaping of his own destiny." That is some*thing the fattening hog cannot do. And it is something a human being might not be able to do even if all the four freedoms so passionately idealized by our earlier president are fully provided for. If sharing in the shaping of your own destiny means anything, it means having a freedom of your own person. It means a freedom to move peacefully from place to place. It means a freedom to enjoy the fruits of your own body and that means a freedom to enjoy the product of your own labor. It means freedom to enjoy, use, and dispose of the things for which you have worked and which you have accumulated by the sweat of your brow. These are all things the fattening hog does not have even though the four freedoms of an earlier day are supplied in abundance. But the truly significant thing is that the fattening hog could not have the four freedoms he does enjoy unless he also had a master, that is to say, unless he had an owner who was providing them. Neither can any government provide its citizens with those four freedoms unless that government is also a master with power to seize the material necessities from somewhere else. And from where and from whom is government to make such a seizure? The answer should be clear."

[Jack Lambert]

So the Fat Boy in N. Korea is sick from the virus. It will be interesting to see what happens if he doesn't make it.

[BeardoMSU]

So the Fat Boy in N. Korea is sick from the virus. It will be interesting to see what happens if he doesn't make it.

Lots of conflicting reports out there, which isn't surprising considering its the DPRK. That would provide some small amount of justice. Who would even replace him?

[hacker]

More stats of excess deaths across the world

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWIi9csXYAAFQlb?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVRBsuEWoAAboCW?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWIk9HBWoAE7cEs?format=jpg&name=medium

[msstate7]

More stats of excess deaths across the world

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWIi9csXYAAFQlb?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVRBsuEWoAAboCW?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWIk9HBWoAE7cEs?format=jpg&name=medium

Not sure the bottom analysis is correct. Wouldn't you have to see if deaths fall overall once corona deaths went down to prove that? Example: I die of corona in April rather than pneumonia in November

[shoeless joe]

Not sure the bottom analysis is correct. Wouldn't you have to see if deaths fall overall once corona deaths went down to prove that? Example: I die of corona in April rather than pneumonia in November

This is exactly what I’m wondering. Have no clue the answer and it’d be months+ before we’d know the answer

[Jack Lambert]

Lots of conflicting reports out there, which isn't surprising considering its the DPRK. That would provide some small amount of justice. Who would even replace him?

You are right. Seems like every intelligent agencies have different reasons why he has been missing. No doubt something is going on.

[SheltonChoked]

Some Good news.

LA County reporting that 4.1% of its population have Covid-19 antibodies or 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That's 55x what testing to date has shown. So, it is not as deadly, to the young, as originally thought...

The bad news is that means it's spreading faster and means we need to have a higher % get it to get to herd immunity...

[SheltonChoked]

Not sure the bottom analysis is correct. Wouldn't you have to see if deaths fall overall once corona deaths went down to prove that? Example: I die of corona in April rather than pneumonia in November

This also does not deduct the reduce traffic fatalities and reduced violent crime deaths during social distancing...

https://qz.com/1822492/traffic-accidents-are-plummeting-because-of-the-pandemic/
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491055-crime-rates-drop-across-the-nation-amid-coronavirus

[msstate7]

This also does not deduct the reduce traffic fatalities and reduced violent crime deaths during social distancing...

https://qz.com/1822492/traffic-accidents-are-plummeting-because-of-the-pandemic/
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491055-crime-rates-drop-across-the-nation-amid-coronavirus

Good point

[hacker]

Some Good news.

LA County reporting that 4.1% of its population have Covid-19 antibodies or 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection. That's 55x what testing to date has shown. So, it is not as deadly, to the young, as originally thought...

The bad news is that means it's spreading faster and means we need to have a higher % get it to get to herd immunity...

This study was published on redstate.com only FWIW

It also can't tell the difference in antibodies between SARS-CoV-2 and coronaviruses that cause the cold.

[Johnson85]

What has he produced with the DPA?

Why are govenors having to get their own supplies.

We still cannot do more than 150,000 tests in a day.
To reopen, per the white house, we have to do 10x that.



We have vents due to social distancing..

Trump has done nothing .

No coordination.

Everyone is left to figure it out on their own.

That's on trump

It is pretty crazy that Trump just puts out a bunch of information with no orders. He acts like the federal government doesn't have general police authority and that the states are primarily in charge of situations like this. That orange 17er is just sitting there letting the federal government put out information and provide support when clearly what we need is a nationwide, one size fits all approach to make sure NYC and Moscow, Idaho have the same approach.


ETA: Not that Trump has done anything particularly well I don't think. I think most presidents would have more or less listened to subject matter experts. I don't think the inadequacies at the CDC have to do with Trump's appointment. I think they've had mission creep for a long time and focused on things other than infectious diseases, and they 17ed up. I don't think any president would have come in there and managed to reform CDC. The federal leviathon is just too big to manage in that way and it's highly unlikely that we would have had a president elected that was focused on the CDC. THis is just another thing where we are overly reliant on the permanent bureaucracy.

[BeardoMSU]

Some bad news...
https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

[Johnson85]

Some bad news...
https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

That sucks. Do we know if they administered the drug randomly? Or were people more likely to get it if they were already having severe symptoms?

[SheltonChoked]

This study was published on redstate.com only FWIW

It also can't tell the difference in antibodies between SARS-CoV-2 and coronaviruses that cause the cold.

I read the summary on http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

[hacker]

I read the summary on http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

Yeah. They did a press release before publishing the paper. And the paper was only published on redstate. Weird.

Researchers baffled as well:

1252557173965688837

[SheltonChoked]

Yeah. They did a press release before publishing the paper. And the paper was only published on redstate. Weird.

Researchers baffled as well:

1252557173965688837

That's kinda crazy...

The LA times, WAPO, and CNBC picked it up too.

But yeah the Q&A says it cannot distinguish between other Coronavius strains

[chef dixon]

I wouldn't hold my breath on any treatment working on COVID-19. We don't have solid treatments for any viral respiratory illnesses. It's not going to suddenly change with a new strain of an already known class of viruses.

[defiantdog]

I wouldn't hold my breath on any treatment working on COVID-19. We don't have solid treatments for any viral respiratory illnesses. It's not going to suddenly change with a new strain of an already known class of viruses.
You could just say viral illness. TamiFlu even makes the flu worse in some cases.

[SheltonChoked]

If you are comparing the government type of China with the US, you are way off base! That statement in the WHO report is the exact reason of corruption charges being levied at the WHO (and in particular Tedros Adhanom, Director of WHO) today, their blatant regurgitating the mandates of the Chinese leadership. If you think the Chinese people are any more committed to ending COVID-19 than the American people or any other people for that matter, you are severely misguided! The statement in the WHO report is pure propaganda since the people of China do not have the freedoms we have in America and therefore do not get to choose if they move around or stay at home. The choice is already made for them by their communistic government leaders.

In America we protest at the drop of a hat, in China if they protest, they are putting their lives in grave danger.

Have you actually been to China, as a businessman when you arrive, after getting the required visa, you are assigned a Chinese handler, with you every step of the way, that tracks your every move. You do not move anywhere without your handler.

I'm comparing a population that has seen similar viral outbreaks in the past 20 years and is more conditioned to being told what to do by the government, and then doing that.

The Chinese people, as a whole are much more likely to stay completely inside during a government lockdown. VS what you see in th USA...

It's not "Commitment to fighting COVID" it's doing what you are told. We suck at that (American individualism), and I'm ok with that. But it makes their social distancing more effective.

Nobody thought the US would be able to effectively social distance long.

And we are not....

[Extendedcab]

I'm comparing a population that has seen similar viral outbreaks in the past 20 years and is more conditioned to being told what to do by the government, and then doing that.

The Chinese people, as a whole are much more likely to stay completely inside during a government lockdown. VS what you see in th USA...

It's not "Commitment to fighting COVID" it's doing what you are told. We suck at that (American individualism), and I'm ok with that. But it makes their social distancing more effective.

Nobody thought the US would be able to effectively social distance long.

And we are not....

My point is that you can not judge the intent or commitment of a people that are under communist rule, being forced to stay in place or else be killed by the government guard dogs, to the people of a free country. It is not a fair comparison. If the US was all of a sudden under marshal law or military restrictions to the point of death if you disobey, then our "commitment" would be the same.

Commitment of the government is not the same as commitment of the people.

That is my point.

[chef dixon]

You could just say viral illness. TamiFlu even makes the flu worse in some cases.

Well just being technical HIV, hepatitis, herpes etc all have solid treatments. The ones that cause cold like symptoms we just don't, and it's not for lack of trying given how common they are.

[Commercecomet24]

"Every man dies but not every man lives"

"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"

[hacker]

2800 deaths in the US in 24 hours. The most so far.

700 more than IHME projection. It also projected our peak about a week ago.

[Irondawg]

Personally I think trump would prefer national edicts but I think he knew a ton of governors would push back on anything he did so he put it on them to handle as they saw fit.

I don’t agree with it but they are at least now going to have to stand behind their words for better or worse. Going to be really interesting to see how it plays out from state to state

[msstate7]

2800 deaths in the US in 24 hours. The most so far.

700 more than IHME projection. It also projected our peak about a week ago.

April 18-21 projected deaths using the model: 8094
April 18-21 actual deaths: 8169

That's pretty accurate, no?

Why didn't you mention the iHME projection predicting ~ 700 too many deaths on the 19th?

[Commercecomet24]

This is from my friend that's head of oncology at UPMC in Pittsburgh:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/allegheny-county/upmc-begin-testing-all-patients-coronavirus-regardless-if-showing-symptoms/6UPOW5LFOVDAFPBQOLBAQWV67I/

[hacker]

April 18-21 projected deaths using the model: 8094
April 18-21 actual deaths: 8169

That's pretty accurate, no?

Why didn't you mention the iHME projection predicting ~ 700 too many deaths on the 19th?

You know the weekend numbers don't count.

Let's see how much it's off for the rest of the week. It already has us on the tail of the curve and it's way too steep.

983 deaths predicted on May 1st. We'll still be above 2000.

That's what I've been saying. This projection is wrong on the backend.

[defiantdog]

This is from my friend that's head of oncology at UPMC in Pittsburgh:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/allegheny-county/upmc-begin-testing-all-patients-coronavirus-regardless-if-showing-symptoms/6UPOW5LFOVDAFPBQOLBAQWV67I/
We have failed on testing on a national level. Getting tests should've been a top priority at the beginning and some states are still limited..... including Alabama. Some places may be stating they are doing state wide testing with drive thru testing blah blah blah. But it's a lie..... it's not easy to get a test unless you are admitted to a hospital or you for they're criteria. We have failed to isolate the virus. But it looks like the government has decided attempt at herd immunity. I don't know about that. Yes, some people are barely having a fever and a cough..... but if this thing gets in your lungs, it doesn't go away for a while. It ****ing sucks.

[DownwardDawg]

This is from my friend that's head of oncology at UPMC in Pittsburgh:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/allegheny-county/upmc-begin-testing-all-patients-coronavirus-regardless-if-showing-symptoms/6UPOW5LFOVDAFPBQOLBAQWV67I/

Interesting. Thanks.

[hacker]

This is from my friend that's head of oncology at UPMC in Pittsburgh:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/allegheny-county/upmc-begin-testing-all-patients-coronavirus-regardless-if-showing-symptoms/6UPOW5LFOVDAFPBQOLBAQWV67I/

Great news.