Coach Schaefer [Archive]

jdelta02

03-08-2020, 03:32 PM

First of all, Coach Schaefer is an outstanding head coach, and has a very good staff. Also, he knows the game as well as most around the women's game. I am not a coach, but have disagreed all season with his starting lineup.

(Note) Aliyah Matharu 17 pts, 4 rbs, 50% fg, 3-8 from 3 pt range (18 minutes). Again, I would play her at the start of games, especially to help the team avoid slower offensive starts to games in the upcoming NCAA Tourney. Get your better scorers on the floor at the same time, including at the start of games. This, even if the team has to go with a 4 out 1 in look....4 guards (good rebounders), mix in some zone, ect. Also, Yemiyah Morris is an option...with Carter and Bibby at the 4 . With Matharu on her game, and playing early on...better help for this team making an NCAA Tourney run.

Chloe Bibby....0 points (2 pts in SEC Tourney)
Myah Taylor...0 points
Also, Bibby...0 points in the semifinals, and 2 points in the quarterfinals. Last 3 games...scored 2 points total.
(Not that I am singling these 2 out for blame or ridicule, but just to point out that it doesn't appear to be a good recipe for getting overly far in the NCAA Tourney...but always possible)

Offshore Dawg

03-08-2020, 03:36 PM

DILLY DILLY !!!

NCMSTFAN

03-08-2020, 04:56 PM

As much as I like them both, Bibby and Myah arent starters. We have more talent on the bench that should be playing more. Myah is a steady PG but she doesn't bring much offensively and seems afraid to even attempt to shoot a 3. Bibby hasnt really played well at all this year, I'm not sure if it's the knee or what

AROB44

03-08-2020, 05:27 PM

It's really a shame that Vic doesn't consult message boards in order to become a much better coach. He obviously doesn't know how to pick the correct starters.

Lord McBuckethead

03-08-2020, 05:30 PM

It's really a shame that Vic doesn't consult message boards in order to become a much better coach. He obviously doesn't know how to pick the correct starters.

He is awesome, but from the outside it looks like he is missing on a few things.

was21

03-08-2020, 05:49 PM

Santa Barbara not a bad place to stick it out going forward..or somewhere like that

Homedawg

03-08-2020, 06:00 PM

He is awesome, but from the outside it looks like he is missing on a few things.

Yeah, took over a doormat program and has played for two national titles and has the best program on campus. Easy to see where you guys are coming from*** hope he reads so you goons can help solve his problems.

jdelta02

03-08-2020, 06:22 PM

Yeah, took over a doormat program and has played for two national titles and has the best program on campus. Easy to see where you guys are coming from*** hope he reads so you goons can help solve his problems.

People posting opinions. Sometimes opinions don't agree. Also, sometimes, even oftentimes people don't agree with something regarding a particular coach, strategy, president, leader, ect..and they voice opinions. Different perspectives, ect. Are they goons?

Me for example, I'm behind Coach Schaefer all the way, doesn't mean I always agree with his descisions and strategies. Agree with him on most though. Still we are on the same team. At the end of the day, he's the head coach, and decision maker... we're all on the same team, and are to stick together, regardless if we disagree.

Remember, we're all on the same team. We may not always agree, but never the less...on the same team..... basically sports conversations.

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R2Dawg

03-08-2020, 06:36 PM

Agree on personnel decisions. Love Bibby and Taylor but their minutes must be used wisely and not too much. Giving up too much. Taylor can really be good but in mismatches it is a problem against big teams. She can't shoot outside and can't drive, what else is left?

Also his game plan around the zone on certain teams will have to change if he wants to win more big games. USC struggled against us when we ran zone on them last time. It is to our advantage with our small lineup compared to them. One on one plays right into their strength and our weakness.

Yes I know Vic is coach and it is his decisions and he knows more about his teams, who should play etc. but from a talent usage standpoint seems like some easy adjustments. Vic has made some shifts during the year much the right way, just seems like there are a few more needed.

I still think Hunter should get more minutes. She plays hard, gives us a weapon we desperately need on the outside. She brings some energy to the floor.

Again Vic best coach on campus by a mile, just some little things I wish we would adjust.

THE Bruce Dickinson

03-08-2020, 07:40 PM

I personally think we need a new strength and conditioning coach. It's obvious our physicality isn't where it should be.

I'm also tired of not running a proper offense and playing street ball. Vic need to hire an X's and O's coach to help with the offense immediately.

Also, why can't we run a zone??? The game seems to be passing him by.

Homedawg

03-08-2020, 07:44 PM

People posting opinions. Sometimes opinions don't agree. Also, sometimes, even oftentimes people don't agree with something regarding a particular coach, strategy, president, leader, ect..and they voice opinions. Different perspectives, ect. Are they goons?

Me for example, I'm behind Coach Schaefer all the way, doesn't mean I always agree with his descisions and strategies. Agree with him on most though. Still we are on the same team. At the end of the day, he's the head coach, and decision maker... we're all on the same team, and are to stick together, regardless if we disagree.

Remember, we're all on the same team. We may not always agree, but never the less...on the same team..... basically sports conversations.

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In this case yes. Goons. When you say he's missing some things, then yeah. Nobody on this board is at practice etc.

Captain Falcon

03-08-2020, 07:45 PM

I think Bibby and Taylor both do things well that aren’t necessarily noticed on the surface at times, and when we struggle they get pointed out as weak links because of that. Not saying they are perfect, and we have certainly had success at times without them in the game. But I think they definitely have important roles. Myah had a great game on Friday and had an 11-2 assist to turnover ratio in our first two games, and Chloe brings a lot of toughness and hustle plays to the table. And hopefully next year the knee will be better and she can be back to more of her sophomore year self.

With this team you really have to take the rotations on a game by game basis. Different players seem to fare better against different kinds of teams.

natchez87

03-08-2020, 07:51 PM

Agree. What Vic has been able to do with this program and putting it on the national stage is phenomenal. He has my utmost respect and appreciation. But as with anything in life there is always room for improvement. Even our best teams have had a tendency to crumble in big games (including the two National Championship games). Some of that can be attributed to players "choking", but realistically the game strategy & game management has to put players in a position to be successful. This is something that I think has been missing. We have talented enough players that we can make lineup changes and strategy adjustments as needed throughout games. Vic seems to stick with certain lineups and strategies come hell or high water and I don't think it's working.

I also worry that this way of doing business will turn off our good players who are sitting on the bench watching underperforming players get starting spots and stay in games even when we're getting blown out. I hope we don't get hit hard by transfers. I'm happy we're in the conversation of best programs in the country but I want us to stay there. Hopefully his coaching staff can come together and come up with a solution.

smootness

03-08-2020, 07:52 PM

jdelta02

03-08-2020, 08:15 PM

In this case yes. Goons. When you say he's missing some things, then yeah. Nobody on this board is at practice etc.

I didn't say that he was missing anything. If another poster said that...still, not good to get a name calling thing going. Take the good road. Could possibly explain to them that you perceive it as offensive, ect.

Dawg2003

03-08-2020, 08:23 PM

He does need an offensive coach. We can get away with our offense 90% of the time, but we struggle with very good teams.

Captain Falcon

03-08-2020, 08:43 PM

He does need an offensive coach. We can get away with our offense 90% of the time, but we struggle with very good teams.

We are 11th nationally in scoring offense with limited three point shooting and a somewhat undersized front court. We also scored 79 against this same team in January.

Don?t think there?s any need to reinvent the wheel here.

Coach34

03-08-2020, 08:48 PM

Coach34

03-08-2020, 08:53 PM

Bottom line- Schaefer is Stands but he is a little better coach with more discipline. Which is what it takes in college basketball

Jack Lambert

03-08-2020, 09:01 PM

Vic is a disciplinarian

Bibby is too slow to guard me- let alone anybody but a 4 or 5 in women's college basketball

Those are fighting words. Don't talk about Bibby. She is the message board favorite.

R2Dawg

03-08-2020, 09:08 PM

Vic is a disciplinarian
Vic coaches great M2M defense
Vic is an elite recruiter thanks to our guys in the Delta

Vic is average on offense
Vic gets too hardheaded
Vic needs to stop being so damn stubborn and run some zone. Its still very effective in girls basketball
Vic is old school and leans on older players before talented Freshmen
Bibby is too slow to guard me- let alone anybody but a 4 or 5 in women's college basketball

Agree with most of this. Hard to believe but Vic has learned some things on the fly too but where he started is so much higher than anyone else. Vic worked the girls too hard before the first NC game and we had no legs but he learned from that. He is slowly learning a little about how the zone can help him win just not enough yet. I like his guts on benching players who will not play D or play hard. His move in NCAAT several years ago benching the starting 5 was as gutsy a move as ever made and it worked and got us to NC game later that year. It got players attention which is hard to do sometimes.

If I had to list 3 I'd like to see change it would be - play some strategic zone and even some press (boy we have the guards to do it). Run some better O sets instead of dribble weave all the time. Player choices at times.

Still love Vic and he has done one of best jobs in NCAA WBB history.

Lord McBuckethead

03-08-2020, 09:16 PM

Yeah, took over a doormat program and has played for two national titles and has the best program on campus. Easy to see where you guys are coming from*** hope he reads so you goons can help solve his problems.

And every single person on this board knows our shortcomings.

1. Our offense is dribble drive. If they run zone and keep us from curling down the paint and hitting the layup coming in from the elbow, our pts per game goes way down.

2. We have not shown an adjustments to use the dribble drive to get open 3 looks. 3 years ago we did it constantly. Option 1 was the layup, option 2 was the kick to blair or Bibby. We may simply not have the personnel to run that, but it doesnt seems too hard to implement. Once you make the curl to the basket, get close enough to our shooters defender or take a good step towards the basket and go ahead and bank it in, draw a foul, or get a simple backdoor cutter pass to get 2 easy.

For the record, vic is by far my favorite MSU coach. It just pains me to see the same thing beat us time and again (zone) and not try and answer. Same with us never running a half court zone.

Coach34

03-08-2020, 09:46 PM

Vic is a very good coach- but all of us have our weak spots

captaindog

03-08-2020, 10:16 PM

JNC23

03-08-2020, 10:30 PM

Bottom line- Schaefer is Stands but he is a little better coach with more discipline. Which is what it takes in college basketball

Hahahaha whew. Stick to football.

And FWIW. I agree w most of the first post you made. But this is nuts.

AROB44

03-09-2020, 05:18 AM

Vic is a very good coach- but all of us have our weak spots

Except you, of course....

99jc

03-09-2020, 05:56 AM

C34 has some good points but his biggest weakness is he is hard headed and a know it all. We can all pick apart every coach in some aspect but to compare Vic and Stans as similar is beyond moronic. Stick to selling coffee.

basedog

03-09-2020, 07:56 AM

I have to laugh at things said about Vic. I would hate to be the next Coach following the Legend he has become at Msu.

Nothing wrong with winning with his style, not sure we will have another basketball Coach or any Coach with a better winning % or success than Vic. We need more "hardheaded" Coaches like Vic.

Being butt hurt over the loss to probably the best team in the Ncaa has caused the negative internet Coaches to emerge once again. It's only a message board***

Hypnodawg

03-09-2020, 08:58 AM

Vic has been willing to make adjustment and we have had major success because of it. He has been a little resistant to change his strategy when it isn't working, but you can't argue with his overall success.

I'm a big Bibby fan, but she isn't half the player she was before the injury. I really hope she gets her game back. Having had ACL surgery myself, it is no small feat. I never got back to playing speed.

USCe is the number one team in the nation for a reason. With the level they were playing at yesterday, no one in the country could have beat them.

smootness

03-09-2020, 09:12 AM

Bottom line- Schaefer is Stands but he is a little better coach with more discipline. Which is what it takes in college basketball

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

SailingDawg

03-09-2020, 09:34 AM

Those are fighting words. Don't talk about Bibby. She is the message board favorite.

YEAAHHH

drummerdawg

03-09-2020, 12:27 PM

Vic isn't perfect and it's ok to talk about his imperfections. I don't think anyone is saying that they're ready to replace him or anything. I know I'm not looking forward to replacing him when the time does come. Offensively, the dribble drive weave we do works best vs man defenses, especially against lesser talented/slower teams. It doesn't work well against zones. The key for an offense in basketball is to get the defense moving and out of position. When we just run handoffs at the top of the key over and over, the defense doesn't have to move much. For some reason our guards, especially PG's don't look to shoot. They'll drive if they've got a lane but they rarely shoot the ball. They'll even pass it off when they're wide open for a shot. I think if we want to take the next step offensively, we need to have our 1's and 2's become a threat shooting the ball. Defenders will often back off our PG and restrict passing/driving lanes because they know our guards won't shoot beyond the elbow. Defensively, we struggle with help on backside cuts and get lost too much. One of the biggest issues I've had for years with our defense is that we allow our big girls to move all the way up to the 3 point line or further. Good teams have figured this out and take advantage of it. I hated seeing McCowan on defense all the way up at the 3 point line. Fortunately for us she was a freak of nature and made some amazing plays, but it's still not smart defense as you typically either give up easy buckets or foul. Why we let our rim protectors play 20+ feet away from the basket is a head scratcher. Defense is a lot about toughness and Vic is great at coaching that, I'm just not sure he's much on the x's and o's, which is ok to some extent because toughness can take you a long way in this game. All that can be easily fixed though, my complaint with Vic would be that he lets things get out of hand too often before making an adjustment.

smootness

03-09-2020, 12:39 PM

It just cracks me up that people think they are seeing things that a guy who has been National COY and played for two national titles can't see. There are obviously reasons he does what he does. No one's perfect, so obviously he doesn't make every decision perfectly. But pointing out something pretty obvious as though Schaefer himself can't see it or hasn't considered it seems asinine.

Captain Falcon

03-09-2020, 02:09 PM

Bottom line- Schaefer is Stands but he is a little better coach with more discipline. Which is what it takes in college basketball

This is one of the dumbest things ever posted on this board, and that is saying something. Stans can?t hold Vic?s jock strap. Vic has quadruple the amount of NCAA tourney wins as Stans had, and that gap is only going to grow the next few years.

gravedigger

03-09-2020, 02:18 PM

This is one of the dumbest things ever posted on this board, and that is saying something. Stans can?t hold Vic?s jock strap. Vic has quadruple the amount of NCAA tourney wins as Stans had, and that gap is only going to grow the next few years.

He said it to get a reaction.

From Coach34, it's who he is. Accept it or not. While some of his posts rub me the wrong way, that's on me. He isnt imitating someone.

Now, there are a few on this board that havent had an original thought since it's inception. They spam the board and say things ONLY to get a reaction and couldnt defend those statements on their merits.

Stansbury didnt coach much else but rebounding. He was and is an elite recruiter. Vic is a program coach. That is to say those kids know what is expected of them from the time their head comes off the pillow until it gets back on it. The two coaches arent really comparable. Stans put the talent out there and let it ride like a gambler. Vic will pull a kid off the court for not completing an assignment even if we have a 25 point lead.

basedog

03-09-2020, 02:23 PM

My thing about this team, look who beat us, top 20 teams with 3 losses to Cocks and Ducks! Ky loss but they are a top 20 team, 4 losses on the road, only bad loss was to Bama at home.

We have one senior, we will be better next year, will it be enough to beat S Carolina, iffy but a better chance at home. Great season for a rebuilding year.

Nothing wrong the way Vic coaches, it's just his style, he is good enough that I bet he adjust. He is one smart Coach, it ain't easy what he is doing. Now back to baseball......

Coach34

03-09-2020, 02:35 PM

This is one of the dumbest things ever posted on this board, and that is saying something. Stans can?t hold Vic?s jock strap. Vic has quadruple the amount of NCAA tourney wins as Stans had, and that gap is only going to grow the next few years.

Vic's recruiting is elite. We have been one of 10 most talented teams in the country for the last 4-5 years now. Of course he will have more Tourney wins.

smootness

03-09-2020, 02:40 PM

Vic's recruiting is elite. We have been one of 10 most talented teams in the country for the last 4-5 years now. Of course he will have more Tourney wins.

Please.

Captain Falcon

03-09-2020, 03:07 PM

Vic's recruiting is elite. We have been one of 10 most talented teams in the country for the last 4-5 years now. Of course he will have more Tourney wins.

This just confirms that you are very ill informed.

He played for two national championships without one McDonald?s all-American on the roster, and the vast majority of those players weren?t even 4 or 5 stars. Really just Vivians and McCowan, and T was incredibly raw when she got here.

He didn?t start recruiting at an elite level until he had already won a bunch. Dillingham, Richardson, Okorie, Chapel, William, his own daughter... the backbone of his program was built on under the radar players who weren?t the most skilled nor had the most size in some cases, but they were tough as nails and all had important roles.

KOdawg1

03-09-2020, 03:53 PM

Percho

03-09-2020, 04:00 PM

Swap rosters and SC would would lose by 50 or 60

jdelta02

03-09-2020, 04:57 PM

We need a point guard that can knock down 3's. That opens literally everything else up. Teams know M. Taylor and Danberry aren't going to pull up, so they play off of them and clog the lane.

However, the future is extremely bright. The next 2-3 years are setting up to be a hell of a run, and we're going to be very deep.

Next year:

PG: Mingo-Young (So), Taylor (Jr)
SG: Matharu (So), Madison Hayes (Fr), AEH (Sr)
SF: Jackson (So), Wiggins (Jr)
PF: Sidney Cooks (Jr), Carter (Jr), Bibby (Sr), Gatson (Fr)
C: Morris (Sr), Cooks (Jr)

Sidney Cooks is very, very talented. Also, she's possibly the best perimeter shooter on the team, and has very crafty, quick post moves. Appears technically sound, runs the court well. I saw her play in the 2017 Jordan Brand Classic, and she was easily one of top performers in that game. Appears a very good shot blocker as well. Smart player.

WNBA talent with Cooks skillset, just needs to continue to develop over these next 2 seasons at Miss. State. Wouldn't be surprised if Coach Johnnie Harris establishes a pipeline with her frontcourt players towards the pro leagues. Sent Teaira McCowan (1st round, 3rd pick WNBA) last year. Also, Anriel Howard went in the second round (24th pick) of the WNBA Draft last year.

captaindog

03-09-2020, 06:29 PM

jdelta02

03-09-2020, 07:45 PM

Unless we get an unreal transfer in the post I don?t see how he doesn?t start J Carter. In recent interviews he has talked about S Cooks as the post and J Carter as the four. I could see him playing them interchangeably similar to how he does now with R Jackson and C Bibby at the forward spots.

Yemiyah Morris is getting better and better. She had 3 blocked shots, and helped hold South Carolina's A. Boston to 4 points yesterday. Also, Morris blocked LSU's talented 6-5 center's (Aifuwa) shot 2 times in the SEC Tourney. Helped hold her to 10 points in that game. Cooks can handle that 5 spot as well

Coach Schaefer has tended to favor utilizing the true post players in his lineups. Also, he indicated at a recent interview that Yemiyah Morris is continuing to work with Coach Harris, and needs her to keep getting better. Talked about her as a possibility at center, especially for next season. Spoke about Sidney Cooks as a possibility as well. Talked about how talented a player Sidney Cooks was, and her being a possibility at both the 5 and the 4 spots, possibly switching with Carter if need be.

Coach34

03-09-2020, 07:55 PM

This just confirms that you are very ill informed.

He played for two national championships without one McDonald?s all-American on the roster, and the vast majority of those players weren?t even 4 or 5 stars. Really just Vivians and McCowan, and T was incredibly raw when she got here.

He didn?t start recruiting at an elite level until he had already won a bunch. Dillingham, Richardson, Okorie, Chapel, William, his own daughter... the backbone of his program was built on under the radar players who weren?t the most skilled nor had the most size in some cases, but they were tough as nails and all had important roles.

I know that we have had 3 players drafted the last 2 seasons
I know that in 2018 and 2019 we had arguably the best player in college basketball on our team
In 2020 we most likely have a Freshman AA on the roster.

We recruit elite talent and have for awhile now. We have been one of the most talented teams in the country for the last 4 years. This year's team is young and is experiencing growing pains- but is still a top 10 roster. Next year's team will be top 5 most talented in the country. Vic is an elite recruiter

maroonmania

03-09-2020, 09:07 PM

Agree with most of this. Hard to believe but Vic has learned some things on the fly too but where he started is so much higher than anyone else. Vic worked the girls too hard before the first NC game and we had no legs but he learned from that. He is slowly learning a little about how the zone can help him win just not enough yet. I like his guts on benching players who will not play D or play hard. His move in NCAAT several years ago benching the starting 5 was as gutsy a move as ever made and it worked and got us to NC game later that year. It got players attention which is hard to do sometimes.

If I had to list 3 I'd like to see change it would be - play some strategic zone and even some press (boy we have the guards to do it). Run some better O sets instead of dribble weave all the time. Player choices at times.

Still love Vic and he has done one of best jobs in NCAA WBB history.

I personally don't understand why Schaefer and to an even higher degree, Howland, refuse to use a zone defense. Every team should be able to pull it out and use it effectively from time to time. For some opponents its absolutely the best defense to play against them and for any opponent it always helps to change things up a trip or two down the floor where they have to adjust.

Captain Falcon

03-10-2020, 09:02 AM

I know that we have had 3 players drafted the last 2 seasons
I know that in 2018 and 2019 we had arguably the best player in college basketball on our team
In 2020 we most likely have a Freshman AA on the roster.

We recruit elite talent and have for awhile now. We have been one of the most talented teams in the country for the last 4 years. This year's team is young and is experiencing growing pains- but is still a top 10 roster. Next year's team will be top 5 most talented in the country. Vic is an elite recruiter

I agree that he is recruiting at an elite level now, but that?s only been the case the last couple of years. The 2016 and 2017 teams did not have elite talent and got to a Sweet 16 and Final Four.

Vivians was an elite talent but she was a highly inefficient scorer her first three years here. McCowan had elite size but her skill set was totally developed here. Howard was a one year plug and play though I guess she does technically count as an elite recruit.

Vic won, and then the talent came. He did have one or two big recruits that sped up the process, but only now is he at the point where he is consistently getting a bunch of four and five stars. The Stansbury comparison is silly.

Captain Falcon

03-10-2020, 09:05 AM

I personally don't understand why Schaefer and to an even higher degree, Howland, refuse to use a zone defense. Every team should be able to pull it out and use it effectively from time to time. For some opponents its absolutely the best defense to play against them and for any opponent it always helps to change things up a trip or two down the floor where they have to adjust.

Vic thinks the zone is lazy, and to be fair, he has in fact used it several times the last two years. Aside from playing SC, our biggest issue this year has been defending the three ball, which a zone isn?t really designed for.