Miss State Women's Basketball vs Alabama

[jdelta02]

Miss. State plays Alabama (1:00 pm, CST...Humphrey Coluseum, Starkville MS)

[parabrave]

I wish the boys could move the ball around as good as the girls. The girls are fundamentally so much better right now.

[CadaverDawg]

Score?

[starkvegasdawg]

Score?

We're up 51-45 end 3.

[starkvegasdawg]

1-8 behind the arc, but shooting 50% overall. AL 7-12 from 3. It's what is keeping them in the game.

[starkvegasdawg]

56-45 8:44 remaining.

[starkvegasdawg]

58-54 6:05 left.

[starkvegasdawg]

Tie game two minutes to play.

[Lance Harbor]

What happened to the offense?

[starkvegasdawg]

Girls lose 66-64.

[Skydawg1]

Fire sale in the Hump. All coaches, 2 for 1. Everything MUST GO!

[maroonmania]

Girls lose 66-64.

Guess that loss has been coming for a while. Missing free throws at the end along with no 3 point shooting along with porous defense at critical times. Alabama out made us 9-1 on 3 pointers so that's 8 extra points they got just on being able to make perimeter baskets. I thought Danberry tried to do way too much on her own toward the end of the game. Should have gone much more to Rickea.

[Coursesuper]

Lack of a shooter showing up.

[mparkerfd20]

No identity besides sucking

[maroonmania]

Lack of a shooter showing up.

For all the good things Vic has done he has totally failed to take care of the need to recruit some dependable outside shooting. All you really need to do to defend us is pack the defense in.

[starkvegasdawg]

Are we in any danger of playing ourselves out of a top four seed?

[Dawgology]

That was a really bad loss. No reason to lose that game. Lack of shooting got us with missed free throws and no outside presence. Will be lucky to make it out of the second round of the NCAA tournament

[Dawgology]

Are we in any danger of playing ourselves out of a top four seed?

Yes. If we keep dropping games like this we won't be hosting.

[maroonmania]

Are we in any danger of playing ourselves out of a top four seed?

Grave danger. As has been said, really bad loss and to blow a 13 point lead at home in the 4th Q to a team the caliber of Alabama is inexcusable. Worst loss of the year by far and will definitely drop us to the edge of still being a top 16 seed.

[MaroonFlounder]

For all the good things Vic has done he has totally failed to take care of the need to recruit some dependable outside shooting. All you really need to do to defend us is pack the defense in.

To be fair, he probably didn't envision AEH and Bibby going so cold from 3.

And Wiggins doesn't play enough. She hits a few when given a chance.

[maroonmania]

To be fair, he probably didn't envision AEH and Bibby going so cold from 3.

And Wiggins doesn't play enough. She hits a few when given a chance.

Bibby is not the same shooter since the knee injury. AEH doesn't normally play enough to be a factor but maybe if she was shooting better she would earn more playing time. I personally think Bibby, AEH and Danberry have all regressed since last year. But they are the focus of the defense now where Big T and Howard were more the focus last year.

[Bothrops]

We were up by 9 last I checked. What is going on with this team?

[R2Dawg]

Bibby is not the same shooter since the knee injury. AEH doesn't normally play enough to be a factor but maybe if she was shooting better she would earn more playing time. I personally think Bibby, AEH and Danberry have all regressed since last year. But they are the focus of the defense now where Big T and Howard were more the focus last year.

AEH is not getting enough minutes to get in a groove. Anyone that has played basketball knows that affect. AEH shooting is probably fine. Announcers have said she didn't miss a shot pregame on some nights. AEH is a shooter. Shooters gotta shoot. Remember Vivians. VV plays 3 min a night and she is not any good either.

[R2Dawg]

We were up by 9 last I checked. What is going on with this team?

No urgency, no leadership and at times just very poor effort. Freshmen I guess.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Schafer will fix it. We will play in the finals in the SEC tourney and win a few in the big dance. Shitty loss though. First bad loss I remember Vic having

[R2Dawg]

Schafer will fix it. We will play in the finals in the SEC tourney and win a few in the big dance. Shitty loss though. First bad loss I remember Vic having

Like your optimism and think he will fix it but it will not be this year. Been waiting for the fix for months. He is tinkering but just not gotten through yet.

Manu of the players looked stressed and not enjoying the game thus not fully engaged. Different mentality with this year's team. Vic's style is so not todays young person which I like but wonder if it is clashing a bit?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Too good to play these scrubs is what it looked like. Jist kidding, I didn't watch the game.

[Dawg2003]

Bibby and AEH will not be successful in a dribble drive offense.

[Captain Falcon]

This team just kinda is what it is. Good, not great. Sweet 16 or Elite 8 ceiling but that’s about it, and the Sweet 16 isn’t a given.

But that was always going to be the case with this group. The strong performance against SC was probably a little misleading for this group, that performance was not the norm.Doesn’t change the fact that this will be their worst team for the next several years and they’ll likely be right back playing at the standard we are accustomed to next season with even more talent coming in and very little going out.

[jdelta02]

This team just kinda is what it is. Good, not great. Sweet 16 or Elite 8 ceiling but that?s about it, and the Sweet 16 isn?t a given.

But that was always going to be the case with this group. The strong performance against SC was probably a little misleading for this group, that performance was not the norm.Doesn?t change the fact that this will be their worst team for the next several years and they?ll likely be right back playing at the standard we are accustomed to next season with even more talent coming in and very little going out.

Anything, always possible... can't count this group out.

Also ..next season

(Projected Lineup...2 deep)
- Myah Taylor, JaMya Mingo-Young
- Madison Hayes, Aliyah Matharu
- Rickea Jackson, Xaria Wiggins
- Jessika Carter, Chloe Bibby/Deyona Gaston
- Sidney Cooks, Yemiyah Morris

Any of these listed below could possibly work there way...just keep working, getting better
- A. Espinoza Hunter
- Jayla Hemingway
- Promise Taylor

Wouldn't be surprised if the coaching staff took a good look at the grad transfers portal...especially for a really good shooter. Also, a good opportunity for Madison Hayes to step in as a true freshman as a primary candidate to start somewhere in the lineup.

[basedog]

This team just kinda is what it is. Good, not great. Sweet 16 or Elite 8 ceiling but that’s about it, and the Sweet 16 isn’t a given.

But that was always going to be the case with this group. The strong performance against SC was probably a little misleading for this group, that performance was not the norm.Doesn’t change the fact that this will be their worst team for the next several years and they’ll likely be right back playing at the standard we are accustomed to next season with even more talent coming in and very little going out.

I agree. They will be much better defensively next year. I still see them a little physically and mentally fatigued.

[jdelta02]

Overall, Coach Schaefer, and his staff are continuing to do an absolute exceptional job with this basketball program.
Also, rebuilding/reloading much faster than programs like Muffet McGraw at Notredame.

[confucius say]

Vic has coddled them. Way out of character for him. Every presser he spends half of it excusing their actions bc of youth. Yesterday at his presser was the first time in a while I've heard him call them out about lack of toughness, focus, and leadership. Bout time.

Danberry, Taylor, Bibby, hunter, Carter, Wiggins are not freshman or newcomers. They've all been in the program at least two seasons now. Stop with the excuses. And figure out the rotation. It's been almost 4 months and it is no more settled now than November. He didn't baby ro, v, Blair, and mo like that. Nor should he.

[Gypsy_RoadDawg]

AEH is not getting enough minutes to get in a groove. Anyone that has played basketball knows that affect. AEH shooting is probably fine. Announcers have said she didn't miss a shot pregame on some nights. AEH is a shooter. Shooters gotta shoot. Remember Vivians. VV plays 3 min a night and she is not any good either.

Yo are spot on with that assessment. Those are my thoughts and the same goes for Bibby.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Vic has coddled them. Way out of character for him. Every presser he spends half of it excusing their actions bc of youth. Yesterday at his presser was the first time in a while I've heard him call them out about lack of toughness, focus, and leadership. Bout time.

Danberry, Taylor, Bibby, hunter, Carter, Wiggins are not freshman or newcomers. They've all been in the program at least two seasons now. Stop with the excuses. And figure out the rotation. It's been almost 4 months and it is no more settled now than November. He didn't baby ro, v, Blair, and mo like that. Nor should he.

We stopped recruiting grinders and started star chasing. It's just a college basketball problem across both men's and women's. If you star chase you can't treat them the way you did your under recruited players or you'll lose them. However, there's no excuse for the returners to be playing as bad as they are. And there's a reason Hunter doesn't get enough minutes......she plays ZERO defense. She's a 3 and D player without the ability to play D. Vic won't put up with someone not playing D.

[confucius say]

We stopped recruiting grinders and started star chasing. It's just a college basketball problem across both men's and women's. If you star chase you can't treat them the way you did your under recruited players or you'll lose them. However, there's no excuse for the returners to be playing as bad as they are. And there's a reason Hunter doesn't get enough minutes......she plays ZERO defense. She's a 3 and D player without the ability to play D. Vic won't put up with someone not playing D.

I hear ya, but none of our guards are plus defenders. Taylor is at times. Danberry should be with her quickness but is not. I think this team just doesn't love to play defense.

And hunter is prob our only option of getting hit against a zone and killing it. Let her shoot 8 threes and she prob makes 4 of them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hear ya, but none of our guards are plus defenders. Taylor is at times. Danberry should be with her quickness but is not. I think this team just doesn't love to play defense.

And hunter is prob our only option of getting hit against a zone and killing it. Let her shoot 8 threes and she prob makes 4 of them.

Hit the nail on the head. And with Hunter, maybe she could get hot, but she's a spot shooter so she has to be open. She can't really create her shot. So our only real option is run her along the baseline and screen the outside of the zone and hope she starts hitting to make them extend the zone. And that's just not how this team is able to succeed. I mean if we had shooters the dribble drive motion would be an option, but we don't.

[confucius say]

Hit the nail on the head. And with Hunter, maybe she could get hot, but she's a spot shooter so she has to be open. She can't really create her shot. So our only real option is run her along the baseline and screen the outside of the zone and hope she starts hitting to make them extend the zone. And that's just not how this team is able to succeed. I mean if we had shooters the dribble drive motion would be an option, but we don't.

I just think Vic needs to ride them harder about their defense and stop excusing it due to perceived youth. He wouldn't have put up with that crap 4 years ago when the last nucleus were sophomores.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just think Vic needs to ride them harder about their defense and stop excusing it due to perceived youth. He wouldn't have put up with that crap 4 years ago when the last nucleus were sophomores.

Again, if it was 4 years ago he could do that. He had a bunch of under recruited grinders (Dillingham, Okorie, Johnson, Chapel, etc.) that he could mold and teach them to play his way. He doesn't have that anymore. He's got a bunch of highly recruited 4 and 5 stars that have gotten by on talent alone for their entire careers. You push them and they'll transfer. It's the nature of the college basketball world.

[confucius say]

Again, if it was 4 years ago he could do that. He had a bunch of under recruited grinders (Dillingham, Okorie, Johnson, Chapel, etc.) that he could mold and teach them to play his way. He doesn't have that anymore. He's got a bunch of highly recruited 4 and 5 stars that have gotten by on talent alone for their entire careers. You push them and they'll transfer. It's the nature of the college basketball world.

You think? Which ones you think would transfer if coached hard?

[StarkVegasSteve]

You think? Which ones you think would transfer if coached hard?

I think any outside of Jackson could transfer. I just don't know though. I mean it's obvious that the level he's currently coaching defense isn't producing results, so I don't really know what the results of ratcheting it up even more would look like. I mean maybe they come together and start listening or maybe he decides they aren't gonna cut it and we process them out in two years. It's no way of knowing until we get to that level. Again, they're not freshman anymore so the youth excuse gets old really fast when you hear it every game.

[confucius say]

I think figuring out our rotations would help too. Defining roles.

[Percho]

I just think Vic needs to ride them harder about their defense and stop excusing it due to perceived youth. He wouldn't have put up with that crap 4 years ago when the last nucleus were sophomores.

The first thing I would experiment with is not picking up full court. I think against better teams we are producing less off of full court than we are giving up.

Also it appears to me our timing is off on getting the ball to the shooter running the baseline.

[DJ55]

coaching had alittle to do with this loss. need to use the zone more as well

[basedog]

The first thing I would experiment with is not picking up full court. I think against better teams we are producing less off of full court than we are giving up.

Also it appears to me our timing is off on getting the ball to the shooter running the baseline.

Spot on, no need to press every second.

[maroonmania]

The first thing I would experiment with is not picking up full court. I think against better teams we are producing less off of full court than we are giving up.

Also it appears to me our timing is off on getting the ball to the shooter running the baseline.

Plus pressing the full game and going man to man defense the full game is wearing our team out. Against Bama we simply looked like we ran out of gas. The OT game at Auburn drained us and then we went 40 minutes of man to man defense against Bama (no zone) plus we full court pressed most of the game. We had NO LEGS in the 4th quarter and it showed big time. Showed in our defensive rotations and showed in our shooting.

[basedog]

Plus pressing the full game and going man to man defense the full game is wearing our team out. Against Bama we simply looked like we ran out of gas. The OT game at Auburn drained us and then we went 40 minutes of man to man defense against Bama (no zone) plus we full court pressed most of the game. We had NO LEGS in the 4th quarter and it showed big time. Showed in our defensive rotations and showed in our shooting.

Another spot on post!

[tcdog70]

Plus pressing the full game and going man to man defense the full game is wearing our team out. Against Bama we simply looked like we ran out of gas. The OT game at Auburn drained us and then we went 40 minutes of man to man defense against Bama (no zone) plus we full court pressed most of the game. We had NO LEGS in the 4th quarter and it showed big time. Showed in our defensive rotations and showed in our shooting.

I think we could run a zone some-to change the pace. put Carter at the 4-Morris at the 5 with Jackson--put taylor and danberry athe 1 and 2--then run a zone. On offense bring carter out high drop Morris into the post and let Jackson run the baseline.

[R2Dawg]

We stopped recruiting grinders and started star chasing. It's just a college basketball problem across both men's and women's. If you star chase you can't treat them the way you did your under recruited players or you'll lose them. However, there's no excuse for the returners to be playing as bad as they are. And there's a reason Hunter doesn't get enough minutes......she plays ZERO defense. She's a 3 and D player without the ability to play D. Vic won't put up with someone not playing D.

I totally agree on recruiting. The team and game has totally changed now for Vic. He won with hard nosed under recruited players but they had talent. Now he is collecting the nations stars and that is another whole approach to coach and get team buy in. I think this sums up 90% of what is going on with this team.

I disagree on AEH. AEH can play D as good as most of the guards I've seen play. Not saying she is a D specialist by no means but as good as we have put on floor. I watch our Gs get driven by game after game.