WTH is wrong with our WBB team???

[R2Dawg]

We haven't payed a good game since USC.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

All you have to do is play a 2-3 zone against us... we have no shooters. A zone makes a dribble drive offense ineffective.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

We haven't payed a good game since USC.

Hopefully we will pay better in the second half

[R2Dawg]

Forget shooting. We can't even dribble ball up court or hit a layup the past few weeks and everybody drives right past us. We can't even play D anymore.

[BiscuitEater]

You miss the last two games? 16 pt win at Vandy & 41 point blow out of OM?

[maroonmania]

All you have to do is play a 2-3 zone against us... we have no shooters. A zone makes a dribble drive offense ineffective.

Yep, if we don't find some outside shooting we won't be a bit better next year. Almost all of our scoring has to be done within 6 feet of the basket. Tonight, our defense has been very bad as well. On pace to give up 92 points.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Just like our guys. Throw a simple 2-3 zone and we literally cannot score. Then we are giving up fast break points as well. And the teams we are playing is taking advantage of our slow rotations on defense. Basically dribble driving us to death cause we refuse to play a in your face zone.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If girls could run a 1-3-1 zone, we wouldn't get 20 for the game.

[Irondawg]

Someone mentioned it earlier and I think they may be right - our legs looked dead

[KOdawg1]

Why is Bibby still in there? What is she providing? Her main contribution was her 3 pt shot but she misses the few chances she gets with those. She's a liability on defense bc she's slow. She can barely dribble. Somethings got to change.

[Irondawg]

This also looks a lot like our first game vs AU at home where they shot lights out in the first and hopefully we will get a same result this time

[R2Dawg]

You miss the last two games? 16 pt win at Vandy & 41 point blow out of OM?

You must not follow WBB. Those were not last two games. Olemiss is probably worst D1 team in country. We played worst WBB in 30 years for 3 quarters vs Vandy. Big 4th is only reason we won. Vandy not any good either BTW. Since USC, any team with a pulse has had their way with us.

[maroonmania]

Auburn 6-9 on 3 pointers.

[Liverpooldawg]

They are very young and they are 22-4. Nothing I'd say no matter what happens tonight.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

You miss the last two games? 16 pt win at Vandy & 41 point blow out of OM?

I am ok with paying more

[KOdawg1]

Mingo-Young, Matharu, and Wiggins should all play in place of Taylor, Danberry, and Bibby. Those three are hurting us with turnovers

[Irondawg]

Auburn 7-10 from 3 and we are like 1-9. That’s your difference right now.

Auburn is also just playing much better the second half of the year. They look pretty athletic

[maroonmania]

Auburn 7-10 from 3 and we are like 1-9. That’s your difference right now.

Auburn is also just playing much better the second half of the year. They look pretty athletic

I'm ready for Bibby to just stop taking 3 pointers. At this point its equivalent to a turnover.

[maroonmania]

Auburn 7-10 from 3 and we are like 1-9. That’s your difference right now.

Auburn is also just playing much better the second half of the year. They look pretty athletic

Now 8-11. Shooting 3 pointers like they are free throws.

[Irondawg]

The fact that we are in this game at all is fairly impressive when we aren’t playing great and they are 9-12 from 3

[R2Dawg]

Mingo-Young, Matharu, and Wiggins should all play in place of Taylor, Danberry, and Bibby. Those three are hurting us with turnovers

I agree for the most part. Bibby and Taylor need to sit more. I haven't given up on Danberry yet; she can do things other players can't do she is just in a slump. Wiggins and Matharu need more minutes.

[R2Dawg]

Mingo-Young, Matharu, and Wiggins should all play in place of Taylor, Danberry, and Bibby. Those three are hurting us with turnovers

I agree for the most part. Bibby and Taylor need to sit more. I haven't given up on Danberry yet; she can do things other players can't do she is just in a slump. Wiggins and Matharu need more minutes.

[maroonmania]

The fact that we are in this game at all is fairly impressive when we aren?t playing great and they are 9-12 from 3

Could we trade Auburn one of our players for one of their 3 point shooters?

[R2Dawg]

Could we trade Auburn one of our players for one of their 3 point shooters?

Hunter needs to be on floor period. She is a good 3 pt shooter. She hasn't gotten enough minutes to get in any kinda groove this year.

[maroonmania]

6 point run at the end of the 3rd has us back to within 5.

[R2Dawg]

You see Hunter get fired up on the Jackson make? Hunter is one of few that shows a little fire. A team needs some of that.

[Liverpooldawg]

Mingo-Young, Matharu, and Wiggins should all play in place of Taylor, Danberry, and Bibby. Those three are hurting us with turnovers

LOL.

[Irondawg]

Vic is clearly not an idiot but I have not figured out what he?s trying to do all year with his rotations. I have to wonder if there are some other things going on behind the scenes.

[KOdawg1]

Hunter needs to be on floor period. She is a good 3 pt shooter. She hasn't gotten enough minutes to get in any kinda groove this year.
I agree with this. She struggles defensively but so does everyone else. At least she give you a threat from deep. Teams would clog the lane as much

[Liverpooldawg]

The fact that we are in this game at all is fairly impressive when we aren?t playing great and they are 9-12 from 3

Yep

[Liverpooldawg]

Vic is clearly not an idiot but I have not figured out what he?s trying to do all year with his rotations. I have to wonder if there are some other things going on behind the scenes.

LOL.

[Liverpooldawg]

There is a LOT of sports ignorance in this thread.

[R2Dawg]

Vic is clearly not an idiot but I have not figured out what he?s trying to do all year with his rotations. I have to wonder if there are some other things going on behind the scenes.

Agree, rotations have been odd to me as well.

[R2Dawg]

There is a LOT of sports ignorance in this thread.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[maroonmania]

Wiggins! Makes a huge difference when you can hit an outside shot.

[Cloak]

How does this thread have more comments than the game thread? Most of y'all are clueless.

[Skydawg1]

I think we got this one but we will be making zero Sweet 16's this year. A season on the brink, maybe?

[Liverpooldawg]

Dawgs win! I'm laughing out loud at most of y'all, as always.

[Liverpooldawg]

I think we got this one but we will be making zero Sweet 16's this year. A season on the brink, maybe?

Somebody will have to beat us at the Hump to deny it. If they do, they earned it.

[Captain Falcon]

23-4 with a team this young... I?ll take it. This is the worst we?ll be for several years and we?re still a Top 10 team. Played a team tonight that we don?t match up well against but found a way to rally on the road.

We are locked in pretty firmly as a 3 seed barring a major collapse or winning the SEC Tourney. Just defend your home court against teams you?re better than for two rounds and then hope for a good matchup beyond that. Anything past the Sweet 16 with this group is absolute gravy. But I do think they have Elite 8 or Final 4 potential depending on the matchup. I highly doubt they can win it all, but they could still advance a long way.

[99jc]

Some of you are just 17ing stupid! You know who you are. To even question the best coach in the history of msu sports shows what ignorant bastards lurk here. Vic has stated he is trying so many combinations to try to find a consistent lineup. We are in a bit of a funk since SC but I think we get that out of our system by the NCAA tourney. 23-4 eat shit and die you negative miserable losers. Now back to my Crown Royal. That is all.

[BhamDawg205]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

LMAO

[Coursesuper]

Team is two years away from really good.

[revdrdawg]

If you listened to Vic, you would know that he admits to having trouble figuring out the rotations for this group. This is a young group that is overachieving in some ways. He believes that this group will win the national championship one day...but not this year. We can all see what they can do individually. He knows what they are not doing. If you sit on that end of the Hump you can hear very clearly who is not covering their proper opponent or who is in the wrong place as a play is run. These are in-game quotes. I am leaving out the names, but you can fill in the freshman of your choice (….., just who are you covering. I wish ….. would just cover somebody. ….. what play did you think we were running.). I think Vic can be as stubborn as any coach, about emphasizing defense over offense or running a zone, but I have seen the improvement in Carter and Jackson (in just a few months). I believe we will have our shot again at the national championship in the next two years.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dawgs win! I'm laughing out loud at most of y'all, as always.

The truth is, if Auburn didn't go ice cold in the 3rd and 4th we lose that game. Sure we ratched up the defense, and Bibby was on the bench, but they missed 4-5 wide open looks and turned the ball over down the stretch and they still forced OT.

OP asked what was wrong with our team. We have fell in love with the dribble drive action. We do not take open shots when they are there against a zone. Its like we do not practice it enough. Hence all the stupid turnovers unforced when a zone is sitting there.

[99jc]

The truth is, if Auburn didn't go ice cold in the 3rd and 4th we lose that game. Sure we ratched up the defense, and Bibby was on the bench, but they missed 4-5 wide open looks and turned the ball over down the stretch and they still forced OT.

OP asked what was wrong with our team. We have fell in love with the dribble drive action. We do not take open shots when they are there against a zone. Its like we do not practice it enough. Hence all the stupid turnovers unforced when a zone is sitting there.

The truth is if we hadn't went cold in the 4th with a 9 point lead against South Carolina we would have won that game. We can make hypotheticals for every game that is played.

[gravedigger]

Some of you are just 17ing stupid! You know who you are. To even question the best coach in the history of msu sports shows what ignorant bastards lurk here. Vic has stated he is trying so many combinations to try to find a consistent lineup. We are in a bit of a funk since SC but I think we get that out of our system by the NCAA tourney. 23-4 eat shit and die you negative miserable losers. Now back to my Crown Royal. That is all.

Yea, last few seasons in every sport has lead me to conclude our fans are right on par with everyone else.....dumb as a box of hammers.

Only thing I can conclude is that most people don't grow up playing these games or understand the concept that other teams are not as bad as we'd like to believe.

[Cooterpoot]

We're a young team that's a sweet 16 team. I'll take that in a rebuilding year.
But this team isn't close to the last few teams we've had. Next couple years will be great.

[smootness]

Hunter needs to be on floor period. She is a good 3 pt shooter. She hasn't gotten enough minutes to get in any kinda groove this year.

She has been, but she is struggling this year. And she's taking almost 3/game, it's not like she isn't ever able to shoot. The people we need shooting more from behind the line right now are Rickea Jackson, Wiggins, and Matharu.

[basedog]

She has been, but she is struggling this year. And she's taking almost 3/game, it's not like she isn't ever able to shoot. The people we need shooting more from behind the line right now are Rickea Jackson, Wiggins, and Matharu.

They all feel the pressure as does Vic, they all need to relax and have fun. Sometimes you can see the frustration, the expectations for a young and inexperience team is showing right now. The one thing we all can see, they never quit and play hard.
Should be a very interesting game Sunday against the Aggies, they have talent.

[chef dixon]

No Danberry or Taylor at the end and we looked like we couldn't dribble the ball at the end of regulation. Excellent job by Vic and the players to still be able to adjust and win in OT.

[Captain Falcon]

The truth is, if Auburn didn't go ice cold in the 3rd and 4th we lose that game. Sure we ratched up the defense, and Bibby was on the bench, but they missed 4-5 wide open looks and turned the ball over down the stretch and they still forced OT.

OP asked what was wrong with our team. We have fell in love with the dribble drive action. We do not take open shots when they are there against a zone. Its like we do not practice it enough. Hence all the stupid turnovers unforced when a zone is sitting there.

If one of the worst shooting teams in the league doesn?t go 9-12 from three in the first three quarters then we win by double digits. They built a big lead because they were uncharacteristically hot. Once they cooled down, we outscored them by 21 in the last quarter and a half plus OT.

[MaroonFlounder]

She has been, but she is struggling this year. And she's taking almost 3/game, it's not like she isn't ever able to shoot. The people we need shooting more from behind the line right now are Rickea Jackson, Wiggins, and Matharu.

Matharu doesn't get many minutes at all.

And something has happened to the chemistry of this group, most notably, AEH and Bibby don't seem to be as chummy as they were last couple of years....

[Duckdog]

FIRE VIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of yall are true idiots

[smootness]

BTW, to answer the OP.....nothing. Nothing is wrong with our WBB team.

[StarkVegasSteve]

BTW, to answer the OP.....nothing. Nothing is wrong with our WBB team.

I wouldn't say that. They have definite problems. Starting off, they're a TERRIBLE man to man team. Doesn't seem like anyone outside of Danberry and sometimes Taylor can keep anyone in front of them. Now, a lot of that may have to do with youth, but I don't remember other teams being this bad man to man this late in the season. Now, I don't know that we were that good man to man last year either but McGowan masked a lot of problems defensively. Secondly, the lack of shooters. I don't know that we have anyone on the team who can consistently knock down open looks from 3. I don't know what's happened to Hunter, but she'll make one and then miss 8. Bibby hasn't been the same since the injury and I don't know that she ever will be what she was before it. We just don't have that player like Johnson or Scott who were solid 3 and D players. Lastly, in this seems to be the most concerning, we can't seem to get a rotation out there that clicks. That's one thing that Schaefer has always done well. He's always been able to find 5 players that gelled well together on the court. It doesn't seem like we can find 2 or 3 this year and I don't think that's on Schaefer. We just don't have a lot of players that complement each others skill set. I think that goes back to not having shooters.

I think they'll figure it out and be better next year, but they'll be fortunate to make it out of the Round of 32 this year.

[notsofarawaydawg]

There is a LOT of sports ignorance in this thread.

i always come here the next day after a game to laugh at these people. I get tickled at some of the dumbass comments they make during the game and then the girls pull out a victory in the end. Lots of basketball knowledge here. NOT !!!

[shoeless joe]

Matharu doesn't get many minutes at all.

And something has happened to the chemistry of this group, most notably, AEH and Bibby don't seem to be as chummy as they were last couple of years....

Matharu isn’t a good enough defender yet. But she can explode on offense but isn’t consistent there either yet. Freshman

[tcdog70]

our problem was -we kept bailing them out by fouling them--defend without fouling--most of their shots wouldn't have gone in the basket. But we couldn't stop putting them on the line --where they didn't miss. Then in OT we lost our 2 best guards because they made stupid fouls.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The truth is if we hadn't went cold in the 4th with a 9 point lead against South Carolina we would have won that game. We can make hypotheticals for every game that is played.


We're a young team that's a sweet 16 team. I'll take that in a rebuilding year.
But this team isn't close to the last few teams we've had. Next couple years will be great.


If one of the worst shooting teams in the league doesn?t go 9-12 from three in the first three quarters then we win by double digits. They built a big lead because they were uncharacteristically hot. Once they cooled down, we outscored them by 21 in the last quarter and a half plus OT.

I absolutely agree that we are going to be fantastic in 2 years. This year is definitely a transition year and Chloe's injury is still impacting our team's execution on both ends of the floor. She is a warrior for fighting to get back to game form.
As far as the what if scenarios, this is my take. Sure if Auburn didn't come out on fire, we win this in the 2nd quarter. But also realize that it is amazing how often our team runs into the "hot" shooting team. There is an underlining issue with this that says more about us than it does about the other team. When we put the effort in on defense, we forced them to stop doing what was killing us. That is great coaching and great execution by our staff starting with about 2 minutes left in the 3rd. It is completely reasonable to question Vic on why didn't we make that adjustment during the 2nd quarter. Sometimes you need the extended break at halftime to get it adjusted correctly, but also we came out in the 3rd and continued to stay off of their shooters and not switching correctly on defense. So rather than play the what if both directions, how about we realize that the reason they were getting wide ass open 3s for about 28 minutes of the game is two fold. 1, we were playing just terrible help defense. 2, their zone totally took us out of our style of play.

Now onto the zone we are going to see for the rest of the season and probably will see forever more. We look absolutely garbage against the zone. We force bad shots and even worse bad passes. I think we had something like 15 unforced turnovers facing a half court zone. I mean, Vic is going to have to switch it up earlier in the game. He did shift our attack in the 4th and we started to take those open 3 looks when we were probing the perimeter. I want Wiggins and Jackson looking to drive and kick, but if they are doing a good job at closing the lane, then we have to pull up and make long jumpers when they are open. For 30 minutes last night, we passed up open three looks for a long contested 2 just inside the 3pt line. Just take the open look just outside the three line. I trust our players can make open looks versus the long 2. Bad long shots lead to easy buckets more often than not, and you typically are not going to out rebound a team with 5 players with one foot in the paint.

So we need to develop a new offensive system when they are denying the dribble drive offense. If they do not limit the dribble drive offense, we will smoke pretty much anyone. That is also why we will see 1-2-2- and 2-3 zone from here on out, every possession. Like last night, we will be competitive, but our margin of victory will go way down and we could lose to good teams in this scenario. We basically pretty much got owned by a 3-12 team last night and KY and aTm under these circumstances for 3 quarters.

Just my 2 cents.

[dantheman4248]

Team is in a slump and Vic still hasn't found the right rotations to make the pieces fit. This was anticipated to be a down year anyways coming in. We overachieved early and are regressing to the mean lately. Auburn is also much better than their record and has given more than just us fits. Still we've played some bad basketball lately. Hoping we are out of the funk come tournament time.

[smootness]

I wouldn't say that. They have definite problems. Starting off, they're a TERRIBLE man to man team. Doesn't seem like anyone outside of Danberry and sometimes Taylor can keep anyone in front of them. Now, a lot of that may have to do with youth, but I don't remember other teams being this bad man to man this late in the season. Now, I don't know that we were that good man to man last year either but McGowan masked a lot of problems defensively. Secondly, the lack of shooters. I don't know that we have anyone on the team who can consistently knock down open looks from 3. I don't know what's happened to Hunter, but she'll make one and then miss 8. Bibby hasn't been the same since the injury and I don't know that she ever will be what she was before it. We just don't have that player like Johnson or Scott who were solid 3 and D players. Lastly, in this seems to be the most concerning, we can't seem to get a rotation out there that clicks. That's one thing that Schaefer has always done well. He's always been able to find 5 players that gelled well together on the court. It doesn't seem like we can find 2 or 3 this year and I don't think that's on Schaefer. We just don't have a lot of players that complement each others skill set. I think that goes back to not having shooters.

I think they'll figure it out and be better next year, but they'll be fortunate to make it out of the Round of 32 this year.

Our team obviously has flaws. My point is that there is nothing 'wrong' with them. They are a young team who is top 10 in the country. If you can find something 'wrong' with that, you'll find something wrong with anything and everything.

[PMDawg]

Team is young, and it shows sometimes. Almost beat the #1 team, almost lost to a bad Auburn team. Good enough to go far in the tournament, young enough to get bounced in the round of 32 or S16. Certainly no reason to go apoplectic.

[KentuckyDawg13]

Espinoza-Hunter was 0-3 (12 mins). Zero points and mediocre defense doesn't justify it.

[schddog72]

Why is Bibby still in there? What is she providing? Her main contribution was her 3 pt shot but she misses the few chances she gets with those. She's a liability on defense bc she's slow. She can barely dribble. Somethings got to change.


One word to answer your question: Rebounds. We lack rebounding down low. Bibby can get a rebound. No doubt she's lost a step since the injury, but she really hustles and got really good basketball IQ. JMHO.