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ShotgunDawg
02-13-2020, 09:06 PM
Props to our athletic department for running a video campaign that allows us to get to know this new staff. I already feel like I know them better than Moorhead's.

Also, there's something about these guys. There seems to be chemistry and a pretty high level of IQ between these guys. Seems to be a high level of "get it"

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msstate7
02-13-2020, 09:17 PM
I really like our staff. I do wonder how leach's air raid and arnett's 3-3-5 translate to the sec though

HoopsDawg
02-13-2020, 09:27 PM
I really like our staff. I do wonder how leach's air raid and arnett's 3-3-5 translate to the sec though

At least we will have an answer one way or the other. If it doesn't work out, we will need to get back to the power spread.

ShotgunDawg
02-13-2020, 09:29 PM
At least we will have an answer one way or the other. If it doesn't work out, we will need to get back to the power spread.

Yup.

Honestly though, with our history of WR recruiting futility, I'd rather it be us that takes the chance than anyone else. I'd rather see us fail trying it than to feel the disgust if someone else tried it and it worked.

msstate7
02-13-2020, 09:30 PM
At least we will have an answer one way or the other. If it doesn't work out, we will need to get back to the power spread.

I think it could be a fail this season, and maybe be successful in a couple years. Worried about our WRs and LBs

RougeDawg
02-13-2020, 09:42 PM
Props to our athletic department for running a video campaign that allows us to get to know this new staff. I already feel like I know them better than Moorhead's.

Also, there's something about these guys. There seems to be chemistry and a pretty high level of IQ between these guys. Seems to be a high level of "get it"

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Well in all honesty, you could have just watched old clips of Barnum and Bailey acts to learn about our previous staff. Hard to reinvent the wheel.

BrunswickDawg
02-13-2020, 10:16 PM
It’s interesting seeing so much content put out again - more like it was under Mullen.

Maybe - just maybe - the lack of content and marketing was moor about the previous staff not willing to put in work, and do everything it takes to run a P5 program, then it was lack of support and dollars from the Athletic Department.

dawgday166
02-13-2020, 10:23 PM
It?s interesting seeing so much content put out again - more like it was under Mullen.

Maybe - just maybe - the lack of content and marketing was moor about the previous staff not willing to put in work, and do everything it takes to run a P5 program, then it was lack of support and dollars from the Athletic Department.

Could also be cause Cohen got as dizzy as the rest of us hearing the same ole tired cliches coming out of Moorhead all the time. "We didn't execute well in all three phases of the game", "building a culture", "point the thumb not the finger", "explosive plays", "my team, my program", etc.

BrunswickDawg
02-13-2020, 10:27 PM
Could also be cause Cohen got as dizzy as the rest of us hearing the same ole tired cliches coming out of Moorhead all the time. "We didn't execute well in all three phases of the game", "building a culture", "point the thumb not the finger", "explosive plays", "my team, my program", etc.

That, and it’s hard as hell to enthusiastically market a product you know is underachieving. You can’t put out highlight videos of dropped passes and blown coverages either.

dawgday166
02-13-2020, 10:34 PM
That, and it’s hard as hell to enthusiastically market a product you know is underachieving. You can’t put out highlight videos of dropped passes and blown coverages either.

Sure is a different tenor now tho ... and I like it. Don't feel like someone is pissing down my back and telling me it's raining all the time now. No promises ... just we gonna work hard.

Todd4State
02-13-2020, 11:27 PM
It’s interesting seeing so much content put out again - more like it was under Mullen.

Maybe - just maybe - the lack of content and marketing was moor about the previous staff not willing to put in work, and do everything it takes to run a P5 program, then it was lack of support and dollars from the Athletic Department.

I think some of it was Cohen having inexperience as an AD. Bad hire for a coach and maybe he didn't allocate enough money and demand enough from the video department. It appears as if Cohen is learning. I noticed an uptick in video content after the Egg Bowl before Leach was hired so I think this was coming regardless. He probably took too much advice from Scott Stricklin and not enough from Greg Byrne.

People were upset about multiple things last year and I think most of those things will get corrected.

Moorhead probably didn't know enough to demand more video content or have a clue as to what was needed to ask for. I think if he had asked for more money for a S&C guy Cohen probably would have given it to him. Probably fault and inexperience meeting head to head there.

Todd4State
02-13-2020, 11:30 PM
At least we will have an answer one way or the other. If it doesn't work out, we will need to get back to the power spread.

I'm sure people will be clamoring for RTGDF after Alabama beats us or after we lose a game. MSU fans always want the extreme opposite of the current coach. I have a feeling the Air Raid will work here and the real issue has more to do with who the coaches were and how they coached as opposed to "our system is too complicated with too many reads in it".

The reality is we're going to have to be able to pass the ball somewhat efficiently for us to take the next step. I think running the ball all the time really limited our ceiling and we saw that with Dan.

dawgs
02-14-2020, 01:18 AM
Yup.

Honestly though, with our history of WR recruiting futility, I'd rather it be us that takes the chance than anyone else. I'd rather see us fail trying it than to feel the disgust if someone else tried it and it worked.

Yep.

MagicDawg
02-14-2020, 04:45 AM
Well in all honesty, you could have just watched old clips of Barnum and Bailey acts to learn about our previous staff. Hard to reinvent the wheel.

Speaking from my own working experience, most B&B acts and circus performers in general are extremely talented, competent, driven, practice diligently, and they execute their responsibilities on cue every time. Clowns, jugglers, animal acts, acrobats, etc. -- amazingly skilled and focused.

Our previous staff could have benefitted from their coaching.

Barking 13
02-14-2020, 04:45 AM
Just my observation, Emerick seems to be a pretty good pr machine and I’d bet he’s behind a lot of the very welcome exposure.

Leeshouldveflanked
02-14-2020, 06:28 AM
Can?t wait for Leach to talk about their Fat Little Girlfriends after we lose a game we shouldn?t

HRTFXR
02-14-2020, 07:57 AM
I'm sure people will be clamoring for RTGDF after Alabama beats us or after we lose a game. MSU fans always want the extreme opposite of the current coach. I have a feeling the Air Raid will work here and the real issue has more to do with who the coaches were and how they coached as opposed to "our system is too complicated with too many reads in it".

The reality is we're going to have to be able to pass the ball somewhat efficiently for us to take the next step. I think running the ball all the time really limited our ceiling and we saw that with Dan.

^^^This^^^

coastratdog
02-14-2020, 08:27 AM
Most of them seem to be young, eager and enthusiastic with a high energy level. They want to succeed so their career will continue to rise.

BB30
02-14-2020, 11:31 AM
I'm sure people will be clamoring for RTGDF after Alabama beats us or after we lose a game. MSU fans always want the extreme opposite of the current coach. I have a feeling the Air Raid will work here and the real issue has more to do with who the coaches were and how they coached as opposed to "our system is too complicated with too many reads in it".

The reality is we're going to have to be able to pass the ball somewhat efficiently for us to take the next step. I think running the ball all the time really limited our ceiling and we saw that with Dan.

There is no doubt this message board will be in complete melt mode at the first sign of struggle. The board handles "adversity" about as well as the players did under Moorhead.**

thf24
02-14-2020, 12:46 PM
Yup.

Honestly though, with our history of WR recruiting futility, I'd rather it be us that takes the chance than anyone else. I'd rather see us fail trying it than to feel the disgust if someone else tried it and it worked.

Our issues recruiting wide receivers have always struck me as a chicken or egg problem. Are we historically run heavy due to inherent struggles recruiting great receivers, or have we struggled to recruit great receivers due to being historically run heavy? Like many other aspects, I think this staff will give us that answer.

At the same time though, this offense at a minimum shouldn't need a bunch of prototypically great receivers like Moorhead's does; just smart guys with good hands and decent athleticism. I don't think that's too tall of an order recruiting-wise.

Todd4State
02-14-2020, 12:50 PM
Our issues recruiting wide receivers have always struck me as a chicken or egg problem. Are we historically run heavy due to inherent struggles recruiting great receivers, or have we struggled to recruit great receivers due to being historically run heavy? Like many other aspects, I think this staff will give us that answer.

At the same time though, this offense shouldn't need a bunch of prototypically great receivers like Moorhead's does; just smart guys with good hands and decent athleticism. I don't think that's too tall of an order recruiting-wise.

I definitely don't believe it's because the state doesn't produce any narrative. If that was the case Ole Miss and USM wouldn't have functional passing games either.

Todd4State
02-14-2020, 12:51 PM
There is no doubt this message board will be in complete melt mode at the first sign of struggle. The board handles "adversity" about as well as the players did under Moorhead.**

I'm going to brace myself because I know it's coming.

R2Dawg
02-14-2020, 01:25 PM
Props to our athletic department for running a video campaign that allows us to get to know this new staff. I already feel like I know them better than Moorhead's.

Also, there's something about these guys. There seems to be chemistry and a pretty high level of IQ between these guys. Seems to be a high level of "get it"

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Agree, someone now understands how it needs to work. I also like this staff; they seem to be on the same page. When everyone rows together, good things can happen. They are saying and doing the right things. To be honest, I never felt that way with Moorhead and staff.

RougeDawg
02-14-2020, 01:28 PM
I?m just happy the new staff hasn?t told us all to kick rocks or pound sand. That?s one positive. My toes and fists were pretty worn out.

MedDawg
02-14-2020, 02:58 PM
There is no doubt this message board will be in complete melt mode at the first sign of struggle. The board handles "adversity" about as well as the players did under Moorhead.**

The first time this happens: No receiver is open, field is wide open in front of the QB, but instead of taking off the QB continues to look for a receiver, then gets sacked.

HoopsDawg
02-14-2020, 03:12 PM
The first time this happens: No receiver is open, field is wide open in front of the QB, but instead of taking off the QB continues to look for a receiver, then gets sacked.

I'm already not happy that we do everything from the shotgun including taking a knee. This means no QB sneaks and that makes me sad.

Todd4State
02-14-2020, 10:37 PM
I?m just happy the new staff hasn?t told us all to kick rocks or pound sand. That?s one positive. My toes and fists were pretty worn out.

Leach is more likely to call the players girlfriends fat than tell the fans to kick rocks.

It was very frustrating as a fan to see the obvious half assedness on multiple levels- S&C, special teams, discipline, etc. and then the coach had the gall to call the fans out for calling him out about it. Unfortunately for Joe MSU fans had seen what a competent MSU coached team looked like and we knew we weren't the ones in the wrong.

Todd4State
02-14-2020, 10:40 PM
I'm already not happy that we do everything from the shotgun including taking a knee. This means no QB sneaks and that makes me sad.

I never really understood why this was that big of a deal? LOL.

Having watched Leach casually over the year I don't remember him ever calling a QB sneak. We'll essentially hand it off to the running back in short yardage probably which is basically about the same depth as handing it off to a running back in the I-formation. That or a short high percentage pass.

Dawgface
02-15-2020, 11:10 AM
I've got a dumb question. In the video it shows the players running sprints with coaches overseeing the activities. What all can coaches be involved in during off season workouts and training? I know they can't 'practice' outside of Spring training hours but what all can they do? I have read where the qb's throw with the receivers during the Summer but can coaches give them guidance on what to run and can they watch the routes being run?

ShotgunDawg
02-15-2020, 11:35 AM
I've got a dumb question. In the video it shows the players running sprints with coaches overseeing the activities. What all can coaches be involved in during off season workouts and training? I know they can't 'practice' outside of Spring training hours but what all can they do? I have read where the qb's throw with the receivers during the Summer but can coaches give them guidance on what to run and can they watch the routes being run?

I'm pretty sure they can do everything but on field practice. Meaning, they can have meetings, watch from a window, etc. I could be wrong though

msbulldog
02-16-2020, 03:43 AM
I think they're allowed 2 hours per week, that may be just in the summer. I am not really sure, but they are allowed some time.