Gay draft analysis

[Madisonmd]

Everyone should go to Hailstate.com and read the draft analysis posted on our Combine participants. Very interesting ! They are not as high on Willie as we are as fans. Labeled a developmental player. Low grade

[gravedigger]

Everyone should go to Hailstate.com and read the draft analysis posted on our Combine participants. Very interesting ! They are not as high on Willie as we are as fans. Labeled a developmental player. Low grade

Not that there is anything wrong with that

[Leroy Jenkins]

I thought this was going to be a post about Mizzou...

[parabrave]

Who is doing the analysis? There must be dozens of analysts doing theses grades for there own publications so you probably could go to 5 of them and get 5 different conclusions. Besides remember that they said Vontae Mack was a hothead also!

[Homedawg]

Everyone should go to Hailstate.com and read the draft analysis posted on our Combine participants. Very interesting ! They are not as high on Willie as we are as fans. Labeled a developmental player. Low grade

Mel kiper has him as the #9 ilb. He didn't get to that number Bc everyone thinks he stinks. He a talented dude.

[ShotgunDawg]

Mel kiper has him as the #9 ilb. He didn't get to that number Bc everyone thinks he stinks. He a talented dude.

Still could’ve gone 2/3 rounds higher by coming back. Brutal decision by him

[starkvegasdawg]

Still could’ve gone 2/3 rounds higher by coming back. Brutal decision by him

Note for future ILB's: Don't hire an agent and then beat the hell out of your starting QB so if you get a bad grade you can come back to school and improve it.

[Madisonmd]

The analysis is the official precombine analysis done by the NFL

[OLJWales]

Everyone should go to Hailstate.com and read the draft analysis posted on our Combine participants. Very interesting ! They are not as high on Willie as we are as fans. Labeled a developmental player. Low grade

Not that there's anything wrong with that. (Gay draft analysis)

[parabrave]

Well You never can tell how a good combine can improve your draft stock. Look what it did for Chris Jones career!!!!

[BankerDog]

Note for future ILB's: Don't hire an agent and then beat the hell out of your starting QB so if you get a bad grade you can come back to school and improve it.

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

[defiantdog]

Well You never can tell how a good combine can improve your draft stock. Look what it did for Chris Jones career!!!!
More like..... look what it did for Darius Slay. He went from a 6th round prospect to being drafted before J Banks.

[was21]

Maybe that's why he decided not to come back....not too bright

[BhamDawg205]

I'll wait till he's side by side with his peers at the combine. But this year's lack of film is what's gonna hurt most.

[confucius say]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

Racist thing? Easy

[starkvegasdawg]

Racist thing? Easy

Delete

[OLJWales]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

Always good to have EDers with solid facts on all the insider info.*****

[Todd4State]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

Shrader may have missed a meeting or a practice but he's never missed a game or a half of football because he couldn't control his emotions or because he cheated on a freshman class his junior year.

[Coursesuper]

Shrader may have missed a meeting or a practice but he's never missed a game or a half of football because he couldn't control his emotions or because he cheated on a freshman class his junior year.

He's still wrong about what happened. And your boy the QB while he didn't do what you go after Gay for ain't no angel and is far from a leader at this point.

[Tbonewannabe]

Gay will make his money at the combine. If he runs well and puts up good numbers on the bench then he might go 2-3. If not then he very well could fall to 5-7.

[OLJWales]

Insinuating a player made a racist comment towards another player without proof should not be acceptable on this board IMO.

[Todd4State]

He's still wrong about what happened. And your boy the QB while he didn't do what you go after Gay for ain't no angel and is far from a leader at this point.

Shrader isn't my boy and he's going to have to beat out Rogers in 2021.

[mparkerfd20]

Everyone should go to Hailstate.com and read the draft analysis posted on our Combine participants. Very interesting ! They are not as high on Willie as we are as fans. Labeled a developmental player. Low grade

Who's high on Willie? I certainly ain't.

[OLJWales]

Who's high on Willie? I certainly ain't.

Is "Willie" the latest pharmaceutical fad going around??

[BayouDawg]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

While I agree Shrader let his mouth write a check his ass couldnt cash, lets not propagate this narrative of Shrader using a racial slur. There is no evidence of it happening.

[HoopsDawg]

I wish we had Willie for 1 more year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Gay will make his money at the combine. If he runs well and puts up good numbers on the bench then he might go 2-3. If not then he very well could fall to 5-7.

No shot at 2-3 with so few stats. Too many good players with more experience out there.

[Todd4State]

While I agree Shrader let his mouth write a check his ass couldnt cash, lets not propagate this narrative of Shrader using a racial slur. There is no evidence of it happening.

The best evidence of it not happening is the rest of the team not kicking Shrader's ass.

[yjnkdawg]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.


Crap like this shouldn't be posted on a message board whether it is verified or not, but in this case you are clueless on what actually happened.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Dont see what Michael Sam has to do with any of this

[BeastMan]

I asked about Gay draft analysis and couldn?t get a straight answer

[OLJWales]

Shrader isn't my boy and he's going to have to beat out Rogers in 2021.

hopefully this take isn't predicated on your assumption that Schrader is guilty of what would be a career killing accusation .

[OLJWales]

Dont see what Michael Sam has to do with any of this

Not that there's anything wrong with Michael Sims, no?

[BayouDawg]

The best evidence of it not happening is the rest of the team not kicking Shrader's ass.

Exactly. And the news media wouldve been all over it at the first hint of something like that.

[Coach34]

Gay will be off the Board by the end of the 3rd round. If he is working and I believe he is- he will blow up at the Combine

[Coach34]

Note to starting QBs, don?t run your mouth and say a racist thing to the wrong dude who never missed a meeting or practice like you did. He had it coming from him.

That didnt happen or Shrader wouldnt still be at State. Nobody on offense would play for him

[Ari Gold]

NFL GMs might be a little Leary of a kid that was suspended 8 games and punched his QB ( deserving or not )
Hopefully he blows up at the combine and GMs like what they hear when they talk to him and get good feedback about him.

I suspect he is gone by day 2.

[Todd4State]

hopefully this take isn't predicated on your assumption that Schrader is guilty of what would be a career killing accusation .

What assumption am I making? I'm confused.

What I want is for MSU to play the very best players at every position. In 2019 Shrader was better than Stevens and sorry to open up the can of worms again- yes, he was better than KT as well. That's not only my opinion it was the opinion of the coaches as well.

This year I'm pretty sure Costello is better than Shrader, KT, Mayden, and Rogers and for that reason I want him to start unless it is proven otherwise through performance or injury.

After Costello graduates it's going to be Shrader and Rogers competing for the job assuming we don't go after another grad transfer. If Rogers is leading throwing sessions like Bucky says and outworks Shrader and wins the job he should start. Now I do think Shrader has the skill set to work in Leach's system so I wouldn't rule him out either. And if you believe what Rosebowl said about the Gay/Shrader incident and how it started and went down all I'll say about it is it's hard to be a leader when your teammate kicks your ass because it started when you tried to help him out. Hopefully as Shrader is just a freshmen he will learn to de-escalate it next time but if he doesn't do what he needs to do and Rogers beats him out it's moot anyway and good luck at Oregon.

[hacker]

Ever since DADT was repealed, gays are fully allowed to be drafted. Those guys are definitely analyzing something.

[msbulldog]

Damn I saw what you did there.

[Todd4State]

Exactly. And the news media wouldve been all over it at the first hint of something like that.


That didnt happen or Shrader wouldnt still be at State. Nobody on offense would play for him

THIS. I think Joe would have been pretty much forced to kick Shrader off the team had that happened. And the media would have explained it in full detail since fans would obviously want to know why we chose to kick the QB off the team and not the guy that consistently has been suspended and kicked out of games over his career.

[Todd4State]

And also just my opinion for those that think that Gay is making a mistake by declaring early- I think he's actually making a good decision because Leach would not put up with his BS and probably kick him off the team ruining any draft stock he had.

He's a talented player I won't deny that. But he lacks self control and odds are that's not going to get any better. We need to re-set ourselves as a team discipline wise and that's going to be a lot easier for our staff to do without Gay.

[R2Dawg]

Gay is a top player, period. Looked like most dominant LB in SEC to me this year when he played. I also agree, he should have come back and played all year. He could have been a potential 1-2 round pick.

[bulldawg28]

And also just my opinion for those that think that Gay is making a mistake by declaring early- I think he's actually making a good decision because Leach would not put up with his BS and probably kick him off the team ruining any draft stock he had.

He's a talented player I won't deny that. But he lacks self control and odds are that's not going to get any better. We need to re-set ourselves as a team discipline wise and that's going to be a lot easier for our staff to do without Gay.

Leach wouldn't have done anything differently with Willie than Mullen. Gay was one of the hardest working players on the team and would have respected Leach similiar to Mullen and been on his best behavior.

[Todd4State]

Leach wouldn't have done anything differently with Willie than Mullen. Gay was one of the hardest working players on the team and would have respected Leach similiar to Mullen and been on his best behavior.

Dan wouldn't have started him if he didn't behave.

[DownwardDawg]

I thought this was going to be a post about Mizzou...

This made me smile. Best post in a long time!!! Have some rep!!!

[OLJWales]

What assumption am I making? I'm confused.

What I want is for MSU to play the very best players at every position. In 2019 Shrader was better than Stevens and sorry to open up the can of worms again- yes, he was better than KT as well. That's not only my opinion it was the opinion of the coaches as well.

This year I'm pretty sure Costello is better than Shrader, KT, Mayden, and Rogers and for that reason I want him to start unless it is proven otherwise through performance or injury.

After Costello graduates it's going to be Shrader and Rogers competing for the job assuming we don't go after another grad transfer. If Rogers is leading throwing sessions like Bucky says and outworks Shrader and wins the job he should start. Now I do think Shrader has the skill set to work in Leach's system so I wouldn't rule him out either. And if you believe what Rosebowl said about the Gay/Shrader incident and how it started and went down all I'll say about it is it's hard to be a leader when your teammate kicks your ass because it started when you tried to help him out. Hopefully as Shrader is just a freshmen he will learn to de-escalate it next time but if he doesn't do what he needs to do and Rogers beats him out it's moot anyway and good luck at Oregon.

misunderstood your take on my post Todd. my bad.

[BeastMan]

I asked about Gay draft analysis and couldn?t get a straight answer

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[THE Bruce Dickinson]

NFL GMs might be a little Leary of a kid that was suspended 8 games and punched his QB ( deserving or not )
Hopefully he blows up at the combine and GMs like what they hear when they talk to him and get good feedback about him.

I suspect he is gone by day 2.

This is correct.

[Jack Lambert]

Was gay in grade troubles and that is really why he left?

[HoopsDawg]

Was gay in grade troubles and that is really why he left?

He was just ready to go. Too bad. I would feel pretty good about our team with Gay, Dantler, and another WR. Still pissed about losing the Mingo battle.

[Todd4State]

Was gay in grade troubles and that is really why he left?

I just assumed it was Willie Gay making yet another questionable decision and left it at that. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the grades.


He was just ready to go. Too bad. I would feel pretty good about our team with Gay, Dantler, and another WR. Still pissed about losing the Mingo battle.

If there are two things I am not worried about with Mike Leach at MSU it's QB play and WR play. I don't care if we have Billy Gonzalez recruiting for us I believe Leach will make them productive. If we get four star guys it will be even better because then you're talking about going off the charts in terms of production.

People can say that Gay "works hard" and is "a good person" and that may be true. But his lack of self control and poor decision making has hurt MSU too many times for me to believe it wouldn't continue. Talent wise- yes he makes us better. But if he is indeed the leader and he's setting a poor example for the entire team to me it's simply not worth it and with Leach being a lot more disciplined and in his first I have a feeling that he wouldn't put up with Gay for long. So, in a way I think Gay may have made a good decision for him because I have doubts that he would have lasted under the new administration. A leopard doesn't change their spots. Getting kicked off of our team or being benched because he can't control himself tanks his draft stock more than coming back.

Dantzler sat out games because he didn't want to hurt his draft stock at least a couple of times last year. I have questions about his buy in as well from a team standpoint. I know he has a kid and is looking out for himself and that's reasonable to a degree. I wish him well but I want people that are going to play in all the games.

[Cowbell]

He was just ready to go. Too bad. I would feel pretty good about our team with Gay, Dantler, and another WR. Still pissed about losing the Mingo battle.

Mingo and Nakobe Dean would be a huge difference for us. Two recruits

[ShotgunDawg]

Mingo and Nakobe Dean would be a huge difference for us. Two recruits

We always come up about 2 short.

[Todd4State]

We always come up about 2 short.

That's what's encouraging to me about Leach and Arnett. They're used to getting production out of "less". That makes it less critical that we land every single 4-5 star prospect in the state which won't happen as long as their handlers see shiny toys like Auburn out there or they just get poached by Alabama. The thing is once we start getting a lot of production and start beating people- hopefully- we'll start to become the shiny toy more often.

Really the key for us right now is to just simply maintain what we are doing in recruiting and make sure we cover every position group so we aren't starting an entire defensive line of freshmen or something ridiculous like that.

[WyldStallyns]

Is this where they analyze their suit choices on draft night?

[BB30]

If Gay can just mature a little bit the dude will be a stud in the NFL.

He is probably one of the most talented LB I can remember us having just as far as raw athleticism goes. He is also just about always in the right spot. His instincts are stupid good.