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FriarsPoint
02-02-2020, 11:10 PM
You?ve got four decorated vets all 100 years old from WWII(one from the famous Tuskegee airmen) and not one of those team captains went over to shake hands with them. Disappointing.

ETA Honorary coin toss captains

Jack Lambert
02-02-2020, 11:22 PM
We have A-Holes on this board who admitted that they didn't give a shit about the Veterans we salute at our games. It is Generational I believe. In 10 years all WWII vets will be gone. I remember meeting WWI vets when I was a kid and tennager. I wish i would have taken more time to talk to them and ask questions about their service.

FriarsPoint
02-02-2020, 11:24 PM
We have A-Holes on this board who admitted that they didn't give a shit about the Veterans we salute at our games. It is Generational I believe. In 10 years all WWII vets will be gone. I remember meeting WWI vets when I was a kid and tennager. I wish i would have taken more time to talk to them and ask questions about their service.

A wise man once told me “these ***** ass commies will never get it until the tank rolls down the street and points the barrel at their front door”.

maroonmania
02-02-2020, 11:27 PM
On the bright side, at least the original anthem kneeling team lost.

BeardoMSU
02-02-2020, 11:41 PM
It is Generational I believe.

Does that include 70+ year olds who think POW's aren't really war heros because they got caught?

FriarsPoint
02-02-2020, 11:58 PM
Does that include 70+ year olds who think POW's aren't really war heros because they got caught?

Let’s leave it at this. ALL of our veterans deserve our respect.

Dogbone
02-02-2020, 11:59 PM
On the bright side, at least the original anthem kneeling team lost.

You are exactly right!!!!

RougeDawg
02-03-2020, 12:45 AM
Does that include 70+ year olds who think POW's aren't really war heros because they got caught?

You are a clown for this statement.

Does a POW have to sell out his country while captured or after he's a senator, for you to see that water is wet? You need to delete this post. It is a disgrace. All facts agree with me.

You are either willfully ignorant or completely stupid. Please step away from your keyboard for a few decades. Holy shit the things I want to say. Disgraceful is the most lightly i can communicate the evident.

Quaoarsking
02-03-2020, 12:57 AM
You are a clown for this statement.

Does a POW have to sell out his country while captured or after he's a senator, for you to see that water is wet? You need to delete this post. It is a disgrace. All facts agree with me.

You are either willfully ignorant or completely stupid. Please step away from your keyboard for a few decades. Holy shit the things I want to say. Disgraceful is the most lightly i can communicate the evident.

Just so we're clear, not only do you condone the idea that POWs aren't heroes (exact quote: "He's not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."), but you think that people who disagree with the idea are disgraceful, willfully ignorant, and/or completely stupid? Gotcha.

Maybe you should boo the POW/MIA flag during the patriotic show this November.

Skydawg1
02-03-2020, 01:40 AM
Maybe you should boo the POW/MIA flag during the patriotic show this November.Man, I can not wait for November. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 08:02 AM
Just so we're clear, not only do you condone the idea that POWs aren't heroes (exact quote: "He's not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured."), but you think that people who disagree with the idea are disgraceful, willfully ignorant, and/or completely stupid? Gotcha.

Maybe you should boo the POW/MIA flag during the patriotic show this November.

He said what he said about McCain due to McCain always lying and jabbing him from day 1. McCain played an instrumental role in turning over the fake dossier to the dems. Should he have said it in the words he used? no. But in no way does this insinuate he does not appreciate all the veterans captured or not. It was not an overall jab at captured vets, it was a personal jab at an individual.

Lord McBuckethead
02-03-2020, 08:03 AM
To me, the players were playing the biggest game of their life. Forgetting to shake someones hand can get a pass.

Lord McBuckethead
02-03-2020, 08:04 AM
He said what he said about McCain due to McCain always lying and jabbing him from day 1. McCain played an instrumental role in turning over the fake dossier to the dems. Should he have said it in the words he used? no. But in no way does this insinuate he does not appreciate all the veterans captured or not. It was not an overall jab at captured vets, it was a personal jab at an individual.

Sure.

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 08:08 AM
Does that include 70+ year olds who think POW's aren't really war heros because they got caught?

hero not heroes. singular against one individual who had been lying and shit talking Trump since day 1 . Trump jabbed back and used words he should not have used but in no way does that insinuate he disrespects captured war vets overall. Not acknowledging war heroes you don't even know is a generational thing and an overall view of veterans that is problematic , ignorant, disrespectful and unpatriotic.

iPat09
02-03-2020, 08:17 AM
Back in December, because of my job, I had the absolute honor to meet two WWII vets. One was a truck driver island hopping in the Pacific, the other a member of the 104th Timberwolves and was 20 miles away from the Battle of the Bulge. It was an incredible honor to even be in the same room as these gentlemen. And to be able to stand behind that camera and listen to them tell their stories is something I'll never forget.

TrapGame
02-03-2020, 08:47 AM
I hear you but those players could have broken those guys easily. 100 year old soldiers and 20 something football players built like brick shit houses don't exactly mix. Kid gloves.

My real disappointment is Shakira wore underwear.

smootness
02-03-2020, 11:21 AM
hero not heroes. singular against one individual who had been lying and shit talking Trump since day 1 . Trump jabbed back and used words he should not have used but in no way does that insinuate he disrespects captured war vets overall. Not acknowledging war heroes you don't even know is a generational thing and an overall view of veterans that is problematic , ignorant, disrespectful and unpatriotic.

It 100% insinuates that.

Regardless of what his intent was or who he was trying to attack, he did so by attacking his status as a POW. He did not attack someone who also happened to have been a POW, he attacked one individual for having been a POW. He absolutely implied that being a POW is the reason McCain was not a hero.

Back Trump if you want, but you can't defend what he said in that instance. He attacked John McCain for being a POW.

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 11:30 AM
It 100% insinuates that.

Regardless of what his intent was or who he was trying to attack, he did so by attacking his status as a POW. He did not attack someone who also happened to have been a POW, he attacked one individual for having been a POW. He absolutely implied that being a POW is the reason McCain was not a hero.

Back Trump if you want, but you can't defend what he said in that instance. He attacked John McCain for being a POW.

I said he chose his words poorly like he does often when getting into pissing matches with those who attack him. Don't act as if he's passed legislation denying POW's VA benefits. His Ill-advised comments were directed at ONE individual and his actions concerning ALL veterans have been exlimperary regarding his legislative proposals getting our vets the respect, benefits and care they deserve.

smootness
02-03-2020, 11:56 AM
I said he chose his words poorly like he does often when getting into pissing matches with those who attack him. Don't act as if he's passed legislation denying POW's VA benefits. His Ill-advised comments were directed at ONE individual and his actions concerning ALL veterans have been exlimperary regarding his legislative proposals getting our vets the respect, benefits and care they deserve.

Yes, he chose his words horrifically....thus insinuating that he does not respect POWs. He absolutely insinuated that. Whether he intended to or just did a horrible job of speaking in the moment when trying to attack someone else is up to you to decide for yourself. But he 100% did insinuate that by what he said, which is that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a POW.

hobiedawg
02-03-2020, 12:18 PM
It 100% insinuates that.

Regardless of what his intent was or who he was trying to attack, he did so by attacking his status as a POW. He did not attack someone who also happened to have been a POW, he attacked one individual for having been a POW. He absolutely implied that being a POW is the reason McCain was not a hero.

Back Trump if you want, but you can't defend what he said in that instance. He attacked John McCain for being a POS.

Fify

Jack Lambert
02-03-2020, 12:28 PM
Yes, he chose his words horrifically....thus insinuating that he does not respect POWs. He absolutely insinuated that. Whether he intended to or just did a horrible job of speaking in the moment when trying to attack someone else is up to you to decide for yourself. But he 100% did insinuate that by what he said, which is that John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was a POW.

You need to go back and look at the history between the two starting in the late 1990's. McCain has says some pretty stupid stuff as well. Being a veteran or a parent of a veteran does not give you impunity to say and do what you want. If you put you self in a political position using that status you have given up that right not to be criticize. . Just my opinion as a Veteran.

To Trump's credit McCain was given a Presidential funeral. That doesn't happen much for a none president and for that to happen the sitting President of the United States has to sign off on it.

smootness
02-03-2020, 01:36 PM
You need to go back and look at the history between the two starting in the late 1990's. McCain has says some pretty stupid stuff as well. Being a veteran or a parent of a veteran does not give you impunity to say and do what you want. If you put you self in a political position using that status you have given up that right not to be criticize. . Just my opinion as a Veteran.

To Trump's credit McCain was given a Presidential funeral. That doesn't happen much for a none president and for that to happen the sitting President of the United States has to sign off on it.

I'm. Not. Defending. John. McCain.

I'm not saying anything about the worthiness of either side in the feud or how legitimate any of it is.

I'm saying that Donald Trump absolutely did go after John McCain, however justified, and the vehicle he used to do that was McCain's status as a POW. By doing that, through his own words, he was insinuating that being a POW means you are not a hero. Bottom line. That is what he said.

hacker
02-03-2020, 01:44 PM
didn't they make a politics board for this

Leeshouldveflanked
02-03-2020, 03:57 PM
I'm. Not. Defending. John. McCain.

I'm not saying anything about the worthiness of either side in the feud or how legitimate any of it is.

I'm saying that Donald Trump absolutely did go after John McCain, however justified, and the vehicle he used to do that was McCain's status as a POW. By doing that, through his own words, he was insinuating that being a POW means you are not a hero. Bottom line. That is what he said.

Ask John McCains first wife what she thinks of him and his faithfulness after she was severely injured in a car wreck....

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 04:09 PM
This thread started with a question as to whether or not the players should have acknowledged the WWII Vets.

Typically, the libs have to interject Trump into the equation who normally they wouldn't give 2 17s about John McCain. They are like bitchy wives who keep logs on you for shit you've done in the past that has zero shits to do about the topic at hand.

Polling numbers for Trump amongst military folks are off the charts. They are smart enough to know actions are more important than off the cuff remarks that are used by political enemies to distract and deceive.

smootness
02-03-2020, 04:12 PM
Ask John McCains first wife what she thinks of him and his faithfulness after she was severely injured in a car wreck....

Why do you guys keep talking about John McCain like I'm trying to defend him?

The bottom line is that Donald Trump said John McCain is not a hero because he was a POW. Period.

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 04:18 PM
Why do you guys keep talking about John McCain like I'm trying to defend him?

The bottom line is that Donald Trump said John McCain is not a hero because he was a POW. Period.

No, not period. Trump was just being an asshole back to McCain because McCain had been an asshole to him. Trump doesn't look down on POW's and you KNOW it.

smootness
02-03-2020, 04:33 PM
No, not period. Trump was just being an asshole back to McCain because McCain had been an asshole to him. Trump doesn't look down on POW's and you KNOW it.

...specifically about him being a POW. He was not 'just an a-hole' to McCain about something personal. It was that he was a POW and only that he was a POW. Regardless of what caused him to want to attack McCain, that's what he used to do it. The refusal to just admit that it does insinuate that a POW is not a hero because they were captured is asinine.

If McCain had said something along the lines of 'Donald Trump is not a role model because he is fat,' it would be fair to say that McCain is insinuating that fat people are not and can't be role models.

Donald Trump said McCain was not a hero because he was captured. He was insinuating that people who are captured are not heroes.

OLJWales
02-03-2020, 05:09 PM
It was tongue in cheek smoot. He was attacking McCain personally. You know damned well he would never make a generalization of POW's being lesser heroes. Keep hanging on to that false premise if that makes you feel better though. You are playing what's known as "gotcha " politics.

smootness
02-03-2020, 05:30 PM
It was tongue in cheek smoot. He was attacking McCain personally. You know damned well he would never make a generalization of POW's being lesser heroes. Keep hanging on to that false premise if that makes you feel better though. You are playing what's known as "gotcha " politics.

Good gosh, man. If someone on the other side made a 'tongue in cheek' comment about POWs not being heroes because they were captured, you would be all over them for it forever.

RocketDawg
02-03-2020, 09:54 PM
You?ve got four decorated vets all 100 years old from WWII(one from the famous Tuskegee airmen) and not one of those team captains went over to shake hands with them. Disappointing.

ETA Honorary coin toss captains

When I was a co-op student back in the '60s, one of my really good friends and mentor on the job was a WWII B-24 pilot. I spent a lot of time talking to him, and my wife and I often visted with him and his wife (even though they were much older) on weekends and even went camping with them on several occasions. He was 17, I believe, when he volunteered for the Army Air Corp and wanted to be a pilot (pilots didn't need to have college degrees in WWII, so he went in as a 2nd Lt). He was quite slim, and the night before his physical he had to eat endless bananas to gain enough weight to pass the minimum requirement. I can't remember how many missions he flew, but on one of them all engines were shot out and he was forced to ditch the plane in Belgium. He's passed on now, as of about 15 years ago, but he was a great person to talk to and admire. Another guy in our office was a P-51 pilot but I never really knew him all that well.

PendingTransaction
02-03-2020, 10:38 PM
This is the most entertaining thread in a long time!! Political basis can make college degrees look like sh*t-wiping paper.

TUSK
02-04-2020, 01:28 AM
I'm up in this beeeeotch....