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Todd4State
01-30-2020, 02:33 AM
The pitching is a huge question mark and the key to whether we go to Omaha or not. There is some talent there to work with- it's more a question of if those guys become effective for us next year or not. The bullpen has even more question marks. It's a group that's pretty unproven or returns guys that have been injured or just not all that effective. The good news is the offense should be really good- but I'm not sure yet if they can overcome the pitching to make it to Omaha again. Our schedule is decent enough though. For us to win a National Title we're going to have to find a way to synch up our pitching and hitting at the same time- like last year almost. I also think that we won't win a National Title until they start using Robo-umpires after what happened to us against Louisville in Omaha.

Ace- Ginn. We're going to start him slow and that may cost us a game or two early in the year when teams work him out by the fifth inning or so. I think he'll be up to speed by SEC play but we're going to be really cautious with him. Him having success could be the key in MSU starting to land Vandy type pitching talent and the staff knows it.

Sat- Christian MacLeoud. I think he's going to have a solid year for us and not having him last year was a huge blow that may have cost us a National Title. He doesn't have Ginn or Cerentola's ceiling but he's probably a top five round pick when he is draft eligible and develops some. The talent is there but the experience isn't yet.

Sun. Cerentola. At the regionals last year some Central Michigan fan sitting near me goes "I can't believe that they have some random guy sitting down there throwing 100 MPH". Welcome to the SEC. He's going to pitch Sunday's because the staff thinks he's going to run up his pitch count a lot next year- and I think they're probably right. He's still learning how to pitch and he could be a guy that strikes out 10, walks 6, allows no hits and has 100 pitches after four innings. Once he figures it out I think he's a first round pick. IF he figures it out. If he doesn't he'll probably end up being a relief guy for the Toronto Blue Jays system. I wanted him to turn the corner so bad last year and he just wasn't quite ready.

Midweek- Davis Rokose. Could be a lot of people- including Cerentola if he craps out. Rokose is a LHP that doesn't light up radar guys and isn't that big but he knows how to pitch and is advanced for a freshman. A guy his size with his stuff almost making Team USA last year is pretty legit. He could be a four year guy for us and will be a good weekend rotation guy before his career is over. Definitely wouldn't rule him out of making the rotation if a couple of guys falter.

Relief ace- Carlisle Koestler. Grad transfer from Southeast Louisiana and was in their rotation at one point. He's had some injuries but he is a veteran guy who is 23 years old and I believe he has had some success against some good teams in Louisiana. My guess is he'll be the first guy out of the bullpen for Ginn and Cerentola and eat up innings and if Cerentola struggles he'll probably get the first nod at Sunday. If all goes well we'll use him like Leibelt last year but no guarantee on that.

Closer- Landon Sims. Totally up for grabs and I could see Spencer Price, Jack Eagan, Riley Self (yes), Jared Shemper, or Chase Patrick- or anyone else on the roster honestly winning the job. We're going to have to figure out who can handle the job and Price looked good in the scrimmage he pitched so he could get the initial nod at the job if he keeps looking good. Sims is a hard throwing freshman but the question is with his command. He might be really good in a short stint though. The other guys I mentioned will all get looks coming out of the pen and we'll see who emerges. Houston Harding is another JUCO guy that I think might be more of a match up guy and then we have two other freshmen in Will Bednar and KC Hunt that will be good in time but they're freshmen right now.

The rest of the lineup is pretty cut and dried for the most part. Lots of veterans who are coming back and we should have one of the better offenses in the league. Defensively we should be OK and we have a little bit of speed but I don't expect us to be a small ball team that manufactures a lot of runs. We're going to live by getting lots of extra base hits and knocking the ball over the fence.

Catcher- Luke Hancock. He's solid and I thought he played very well last year. He won't replicate Skelton's power but I think he will handle our staff well and will hit for a decent average. He took good at bats for the most part last year. Logan Tanner is a big time recruit who played for Team USA last year and will probably be the back-up. He has some power and his arm is a rocket launcher. He throws harder than most of our pitchers and may close some but it looks like we're going to probably focus on using him as a catcher. Austin Kelly is the third catcher and I think we may try to redshirt him if we can.

First base- Josh Hatcher. I'm expecting a big season from him. He's good defensively and I think he will hit for average. I could see him hitting 10 home runs but he's more of a line drive hitter so if he gets a bunch of hits and finishes under ten I'm OK with that from him.

Second base- Justin Foscue. Played for Team USA and has All-SEC and All-American potential at second base. I'm expecting double digit home runs from him and a high average now that he is a veteran and has found a home at second base. I don't think 20 home runs from him is out of the question although I don't expect it either.

Third base- Kamren James. He's a freshman from DeSoto Central and is going to be a good player for us. We'll see how he adjusts as a freshman but he has been holding his own right now in scrimmages. He's our best defensive option at third right now- but it's just a question of if he's ready or not. Landon Jordan may get the call if James isn't and they may platoon. Jordan's defense is a question but his bat is solid. Noah Fondren is a JUCO who originally signed with Alabama out of high school and he's a utility guy who plays hard and did well in the fall. If James isn't ready and Landon is a liability with his glove Fondren could very well be the best option.

Shortstop- Jordan Westburg. Invited to Team USA and had a big year in the Cape. Another All-American/All SEC candidate. I think he puts it together this year and may even be a first round pick if he has a big year. I'm expecting double digit home runs and a high average and really good defense. He had the highest exit velocity on the team last year and I'm curious to see if he changes his launch angle some to get a few more home runs. I think he's a future MLB player.

Left Field- Brad Cumbest. I love his skill set and raw potential. He's built like Mark McGwire with speed and a great arm. Of course he plays football so that has hindered his development some so he may never really reach his full potential at MSU but I think someone drafts him next year and he could be really good with some development. If he struggles we could go with Bryce Brock who is more of a contact hitter/speed guy. And also Noah Fondren may find a home here if James or Jordan emerge and neither Cumbest nor Brock emerge.

Center Field- Rowdey Jordan. We're not going to replace Mangum but Jordan is a solid veteran player who has some pop. I think he will be a more than capable center fielder for us. Hopefully he won't be as streaky as he tends to be. He'll end up at .300 with at least 5 home runs and probably more while stealing 10-15 bases.

Right Field- Tanner Allen. Another Team USA, All American, All-SEC guy. I'm not sure if he makes MLB or not because of his size and lack of a position but he can hit and there's no question about that. I think he gets at least 10 home runs too. He can run a little bit as well. Really good player.

DH- Brandon Pimentel. As with every year there are others that could DH like Landon Jordan, Noah Fondren, Cumbest, and etc. but Pimentel is who I think the staff wants to take the mantle. He's a candidate at first base too- but I think Hatcher gets that job. Pimentel has power but he's a JUCO and they usually have an adjustment period. He could be a surprise- but I'm keeping my expectations to a minimum at this point until we see exactly what we've got. I could see him struggling, getting benched and then coming on strong at the end of the year once he adjusts. He's a sophomore so we'll have him for at least two years. Picking up a LH power bat definitely is a good gamble with our ballpark.

This team has a chance at Omaha again because of the offense but I'm going to predict that our pitching doesn't come through, ends up being thin and we flame out in the SR.

SaintDawg
01-30-2020, 04:25 AM
After what we all witnessed in 2018, I expect every team we field to go to Omaha every year. The teams always seam to evolve as the season progresses. Never count these guys out until the last out is recorded.

preachermatt83
01-30-2020, 05:05 AM
Absolutely outstanding observation. I agree whole heartedly

msbulldog
01-30-2020, 07:02 AM
Good analysis, thanks Todd. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Todd4State again.

KOdawg1
01-30-2020, 07:40 AM
Pretty solid and accurate analysis. I think L. Jordan and James platoon at 3rd.

Coach34
01-30-2020, 08:03 AM
I watched Pimentel take BP when I was there Friday. The ball jumps off his bat. Hope he gets adjusted

BrunswickDawg
01-30-2020, 08:16 AM
I think this will be a year that as a fanbase we need to preach patience. There are way too many unknowns right now, and we could start slow out of the gate, then have another bad stretch early in SEC play since our first 2 series are against Arkansas and LSU.
Ton of talent, but we have a lot of inexperienced guys.

PMDawg
01-30-2020, 08:28 AM
It's going to be weird not seeing Mangum out there. I'm going to miss him. He's like a Derrick Zimmerman type that you wish could play for MSU forever.

somebodyshotmypaw
01-30-2020, 09:07 AM
Enjoyed the write-up Todd. Good work.

smootness
01-30-2020, 09:12 AM
Defensively, it seems to me we'll be pretty dang solid in the IF but questionable in the OF? Does that seem accurate?

bigplayslay
01-30-2020, 09:20 AM
In Spencer Price and Riley Self can come in and be dependable... Watch out.

ShotgunDawg
01-30-2020, 09:28 AM
A few things:

- Looking forward to seeing if Ginn can log innings and to see if he's effectively added a 4 seam fastball in order to be more effective at the top of the zone vs lefties. Ginn struggled vs lefties last year and needs a 4 seam fastball to counter them.

- Seems like we're going to lead off Rowdy and I don't like that. Rowdy will always be to streaky for that role due to the hitch in his load and the aggressive nature of it. I wouldn't be surprised to see us at some point go with Foscue as the lead off, Allen in the 2 hole, and Westburg in the 3 hole. Just maximize the ABs of those 3 players and it'll produce more runs over the course of the season which has a heavy correlation with winning.

Rowdy Jordan struck out 69 times last year and had an OBP 15 points lower than the next lowest regular in the lineup. And we're thinking about leading off that guy? Have the coaches gone brain dead?

ShotgunDawg
01-30-2020, 09:29 AM
In Spencer Price and Riley Self can come in and be dependable... Watch out.

Neither one is talented enough to do that

Big4Dawg
01-30-2020, 11:21 AM
http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2020/conf-pred-all

Warren Nolan has State going 45-11, and #2 RPI. Not bad...(no idea how this is done)

Coach34
01-30-2020, 11:41 AM
A few things:

- Looking forward to seeing if Ginn can log innings and to see if he's effectively added a 4 seam fastball in order to be more effective at the top of the zone vs lefties. Ginn struggled vs lefties last year and needs a 4 seam fastball to counter them.

- Seems like we're going to lead off Rowdy and I don't like that. Rowdy will always be to streaky for that role due to the hitch in his load and the aggressive nature of it. I wouldn't be surprised to see us at some point go with Foscue as the lead off, Allen in the 2 hole, and Westburg in the 3 hole. Just maximize the ABs of those 3 players and it'll produce more runs over the course of the season which has a heavy correlation with winning.

Rowdy Jordan struck out 69 times last year and had an OBP 15 points lower than the next lowest regular in the lineup. And we're thinking about leading off that guy? Have the coaches gone brain dead?

Rowdy had 2 seasons last year. One with contacts and one when he went back to goggles. Rowdy started the year 14-75 (.187) but finished the year going 60-155 (.387) after he went back to the goggles. Goggles Rowdy should be a helluva leadoff hitter

ShotgunDawg
01-30-2020, 11:50 AM
Rowdy had 2 seasons last year. One with contacts and one when he went back to goggles. Rowdy started the year 14-75 (.187) but finished the year going 60-155 (.387) after he went back to the goggles. Goggles Rowdy should be a helluva leadoff hitter

I wasn't aware of that as far as the goggles go.

Maybe you start the season leading him off to see how it goes. If it's still streaky though, I'd maximize the ABs of my 3 best hitters. Foscue has incredible zone control & although he isn't your typical lead off, my guess is that he'd do a hell of a job

hp22
01-30-2020, 12:45 PM
Are scrimmages open to the public and anyone know if we have any this weekend. I'm itching for baseball and may parlay an hour or two of scrimmage baseball with the basketball game this weekend if it lines up.

-I am worried about our bullpen. We have 15 back end innings to replace each weekend.

-I am worried defensively in the OF. Last year those guys covered the gaps. But when Mac got hurt, you could see a difference. Now you're replacing Mangum and Mac and that will be a chore.

-On the leadoff hitter conversation, I'll be interested to see Rowdey in that role. He flourished in the 6 spot in the lineup (but it may have been the goggles). That said, Luke Hancock really strikes me as a player that gets leadoff type at bats. He is patient and battles at the plate. The OBP% has to be there though. And I like the idea of him getting the AB in the 9 spot to roll the lineup over to Rowdey.

I hope the SELA transfer can have a Neff type year and fill that role with experience. That will help big time. The loss of Brandon Smith is a big time setback.

All teams have unknowns this time of year. That said, our "knowns" can beat anyone in the country. It's the depth and potential that has to come together.

smootness
01-30-2020, 12:46 PM
Foscue doesn't walk as much and has the most power on the team. I would put either Allen or Westburg at leadoff, the other 2nd, and Foscue 3rd.

Johnson85
01-30-2020, 01:32 PM
Why Hatcher at First and Allen at RF? I would have thought Hatcher is faster than Allen and a better fit in RF.

AlSwearengen
01-30-2020, 02:06 PM
Great write up Todd. One thing that I will throw out there is that if you have listened to some of Lemonis’ interviews, I think he is excited about our young pitchers and is expecting more from them than a lot of us are. Hope he is right.

Choctaw Dawg
01-30-2020, 02:07 PM
This is one of those things that is going to have to be reiterated as the season goes on this year, but we are really gonna miss Brandon Smith this year. He was a massive piece out of the bullpen as a freshman all last year and he would have been a good midweek/sunday starter for us.

KOdawg1
01-30-2020, 02:14 PM
Why Hatcher at First and Allen at RF? I would have thought Hatcher is faster than Allen and a better fit in RF.

Allen has always been an OF playing first base. Hatcher is taller too. They just fit the new positions better

ShotgunDawg
01-30-2020, 02:34 PM
Why Hatcher at First and Allen at RF? I would have thought Hatcher is faster than Allen and a better fit in RF.

Staff is doing Allen a pretty big draft favor here. Allen doesn't have the power to play 1B in pro ball but as a corner outfielder, he's got a chance to be a big leaguer.

smootness
01-30-2020, 02:56 PM
Here's the good thing about college baseball: one year can make a massive difference. So a guy like Westburg could become a dominant hitter, someone like Landon Jordan could become too good to take out of the lineup, and someone like Cerantola can suddenly make a jump to elite.

We have the talent, and that is the most important thing.

We also have a junior-heavy lineup, and juniors in college baseball are huge. I think there's a chance our lineup ends up being as good as anybody in the country. There aren't many teams who enter the year with over half of their lineup made up of talented, experienced, proven juniors. And that's what we'll have this year.

If Ginn stays healthy and we just get one other guy to be a pretty good SP, we'll win a ton of games.

trob115
01-30-2020, 03:20 PM
I expect Logan Tanner will make a push for major PT at DH or C. He's got huge upside.

ShotgunDawg
01-30-2020, 04:37 PM
I think we should devise a trash can banging scheme. Then we'd definitely win*

bulldogcountry1
01-30-2020, 05:02 PM
Neither one is talented enough to do that

Have you forgotten 2017? I'd call that a dependable season for both.

bulldogcountry1
01-30-2020, 05:07 PM
Everyone is worried about the bullpen, but someone is going to step up and be the new Brandon Smith. It happens every year, and it HAS to happen for us to compete for Omaha every year. The best teams have to have multiple freshmen contributing every year to have sustained success.

Randolph Dupree
01-30-2020, 11:12 PM
Neither one is talented enough to do that

When Price is his normal self, he is plenty capable. I thought he'd be back last year and it didn't happen. I think some of it was mental but all indications are he's back now.

The Federalist Engineer
01-31-2020, 12:50 AM
When Price is his normal self, he is plenty capable. I thought he'd be back last year and it didn't happen. I think some of it was mental but all indications are he's back now.

Some major shoes to fill are the middle relievers that gave us huge clutch innings last year:

Leibelt, Cole Gordon, and White

This year we have lots of candidates but I?m not sure we will know this for sure until SEC play.

Eagan, Brock, a Freshman (Sims), and a JUCO (Schemper) is the MSU-Baseball thing to happen. We will get a Zac Neff/Leibelt/Harden/Girodo/Ross Mitchell from where we least expect it. This freshman class has amazing upside.

Price back to 2017 All American level would fill a huge need very nicely. We need a closer.

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 01:24 AM
Great write up Todd. One thing that I will throw out there is that if you have listened to some of Lemonis’ interviews, I think he is excited about our young pitchers and is expecting more from them than a lot of us are. Hope he is right.


Some major shoes to fill are the middle relievers that gave us huge clutch innings last year:

Leibelt, Cole Gordon, and White

This year we have lots of candidates but I?m not sure we will know this for sure until SEC play.

Eagan, Brock, a Freshman (Sims), and a JUCO (Schemper) is the MSU-Baseball thing to happen. We will get a Zac Neff/Leibelt/Harden/Girodo/Ross Mitchell from where we least expect it. This freshman class has amazing upside.

Price back to 2017 All American level would fill a huge need very nicely. We need a closer.

I think both of you are correct in that some guys will probably step up and will surprise. My guess would be Koestler, Eagan, and Price. But it could be anyone really.

I would like to see us kind of take the next step where we aren't having to piece together pitching staffs with JUCO's, grad transfers, and freshmen. I think we had to do that just because we have changed pitching coaches so much the past few years and some recruits followed Butch to Auburn, Wes to Arkansas and those would have been guys that would have been seniors in this group. I think Foxhall will be good and hopefully he stays for a few years- although I thought he underused Colby White and overused Self and Barlow last year- but more than anything we need the stability and we need to stay with his program. We went from weighted balls to more traditional with Henderson and now we're probably at a happy medium with Foxhall.

So, all of that may bite us this year and we'll be frustrated at times when we struggle some trying to figure things out and maybe guys just being inconsistent in general. But the good news is I think we have some stability for the first time since 2016 and even while we had all of that change going on- not just at pitching coach, but also hitting and head coaches- I think we finally turned the corner to being a program that we all expect to have in baseball after our team flamed out in 2015 and somehow along the way took the next step. As long as we continue to have stability I think we will continue to have a chance at Omaha and finally have that balance that we need as a program both on the mound and at the plate- the 2021 class has some really talented pitchers and hitters in it that will likely make it to school (I'm not talking about Austin Hendricks here) that I think are going to take the mantle and help us to continue to be elite. I don't think this is THE year- but I think THE year is coming.

And as an aside it will be interesting to see what kind of legislation is passed regarding baseball scholarships and with the new law where players can be paid royalties which hasn't been fleshed out yet. Pretty much all potential legislation I have heard suggested would help us out. And Cohen has been leading a lot of that charge right now. Our Vandy-type advantage may be coming in the next decade and level the playing the field out- or tip it in our favor. Which again is why we really need Ginn to have a good year. If we can have someone to point to as a reference point it will help us attract Vandy-type pitchers in the future. And while a Vandy-education may be important to a lot of baseball players- all of whom intend to leave schools after three years and not get a degree by the way- I would imagine a LOT more would love to play in front of thousands of fans who treat them like rock stars while they get developed into MLB draft picks.

BrunswickDawg
01-31-2020, 08:21 AM
And as an aside it will be interesting to see what kind of legislation is passed regarding baseball scholarships and with the new law where players can be paid royalties which hasn't been fleshed out yet. Pretty much all potential legislation I have heard suggested would help us out. And Cohen has been leading a lot of that charge right now. Our Vandy-type advantage may be coming in the next decade and level the playing the field out- or tip it in our favor. Which again is why we really need Ginn to have a good year. If we can have someone to point to as a reference point it will help us attract Vandy-type pitchers in the future. And while a Vandy-education may be important to a lot of baseball players- all of whom intend to leave schools after three years and not get a degree by the way- I would imagine a LOT more would love to play in front of thousands of fans who treat them like rock stars while they get developed into MLB draft picks.

This is what is going to give us our bump. I don't think there can be any better advertisement for MSU baseball than the last game of the SR last year at the Dude. That was a World Series atmosphere - not a CWS atmosphere - a Subway Series game 7 in the Bronx in old Yankee Stadium atmosphere. I still get chills watching Mac hit that HR. Show recruits that video and say - "this is MSU baseball - 365 days a year"

smootness
01-31-2020, 09:26 AM
I would like to see us kind of take the next step where we aren't having to piece together pitching staffs with JUCO's, grad transfers, and freshmen. I think we had to do that just because we have changed pitching coaches so much the past few years and some recruits followed Butch to Auburn, Wes to Arkansas and those would have been guys that would have been seniors in this group. I think Foxhall will be good and hopefully he stays for a few years- although I thought he underused Colby White and overused Self and Barlow last year- but more than anything we need the stability and we need to stay with his program. We went from weighted balls to more traditional with Henderson and now we're probably at a happy medium with Foxhall.

I think that's just pretty much what you're going to have to do in college baseball. The bottom line is, there is constant turnover, and rarely do true freshman make a big impact. So typically you get, at most, 2 solid years out of your best guys. That's just the way it is.

You don't want freshmen, either, evidently, so you're basically saying you would like us to fill our pitching staffs with sophomores, juniors, and seniors who have come through the program. Well, your seniors are guys without big-time pro talent, and often, if a talented pitcher hasn't gotten a lot of opportunity by their sophomore or junior year, they're gone. You're also always having to make room for your new freshmen every year, so you have to bump some guys. We've had plenty of JUCO guys be really valuable for us recently, especially in the pen. You're always going to have to plug holes and try to find guys in the JUCO and grad transfer ranks, and you want your freshmen to be good enough to contribute.

So it sounds like you want something that's just incredibly rare.

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 12:23 PM
I think that's just pretty much what you're going to have to do in college baseball. The bottom line is, there is constant turnover, and rarely do true freshman make a big impact. So typically you get, at most, 2 solid years out of your best guys. That's just the way it is.

You don't want freshmen, either, evidently, so you're basically saying you would like us to fill our pitching staffs with sophomores, juniors, and seniors who have come through the program. Well, your seniors are guys without big-time pro talent, and often, if a talented pitcher hasn't gotten a lot of opportunity by their sophomore or junior year, they're gone. You're also always having to make room for your new freshmen every year, so you have to bump some guys. We've had plenty of JUCO guys be really valuable for us recently, especially in the pen. You're always going to have to plug holes and try to find guys in the JUCO and grad transfer ranks, and you want your freshmen to be good enough to contribute.

So it sounds like you want something that's just incredibly rare.

We're just pieced together in the bullpen right now with very few guys that we've actually developed. It's a lot more rare to be built like that than what I'm talking about. I think it's a short term thing though because of our recent situation and based on how our recruiting numbers are looking going forward with who we have committed. We just missed on pitching recruits a couple of years and it has hurt us.

Johnson85
01-31-2020, 12:51 PM
We're just pieced together in the bullpen right now with very few guys that we've actually developed. It's a lot more rare to be built like that than what I'm talking about. I think it's a short term thing though because of our recent situation and based on how our recruiting numbers are looking going forward with who we have committed. We just missed on pitching recruits a couple of years and it has hurt us.

SO do we have any intelligence on what our pitching is looking like?

Ginn is obviously a known quantity except for how much we can use him.

Any info on Cerentola? Is he at least looking like he has control in practice? Or was his only problem with control during the games last year?

Do we know if Price has fully recovered? Or did he lose some stuff that he is not getting back even though he's fully healed?

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 01:05 PM
SO do we have any intelligence on what our pitching is looking like?

Ginn is obviously a known quantity except for how much we can use him.

Any info on Cerentola? Is he at least looking like he has control in practice? Or was his only problem with control during the games last year?

Do we know if Price has fully recovered? Or did he lose some stuff that he is not getting back even though he's fully healed?

Cerentola needs to work on his command still. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up closing for us honestly.

Price looked good in his last outing. We'll see how he looks against life competition but promising so far.

Rex54
01-31-2020, 03:23 PM
Cerentola needs to work on his command still. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up closing for us honestly.

Price looked good in his last outing. We'll see how he looks against life competition but promising so far.

We don't need Mitch Williams closing. If he's wild he can't close. I'd say midweek him so he can develop as a starter and go deep, even if he's walking 4-5, because it should be against teams we can easily outslug

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 03:44 PM
We don't need Mitch Williams closing. If he's wild he can't close. I'd say midweek him so he can develop as a starter and go deep, even if he's walking 4-5, because it should be against teams we can easily outslug

I agree. But I neglected to mention that Cerentola seems to maintain his command for an inning or so typically and then gets wilder as the game goes on. So I think he can maintain good command over a short outing.

Homedawg
01-31-2020, 03:50 PM
I agree. But I neglected to mention that Cerentola seems to maintain his command for an inning or so typically and then gets wilder as the game goes on. So I think he can maintain good command over a short outing.

This is something you want to believe, not something that has been proven. He didn't get out of the first at least twice last year due to command. Had another that he didn't do much better. Yes, he had the two good outings at the end of the year, but the wilder as the game goes on has not been proven. Actually, he's either had it or he hasn't .

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 04:56 PM
This is something you want to believe, not something that has been proven. He didn't get out of the first at least twice last year due to command. Had another that he didn't do much better. Yes, he had the two good outings at the end of the year, but the wilder as the game goes on has not been proven. Actually, he's either had it or he hasn't .

I'm talking about his time this summer with Team Canada, his summer league team, and the recent scrimmage moreso than last season.

Johnson85
01-31-2020, 05:03 PM
I'm talking about his time this summer with Team Canada, his summer league team, and the recent scrimmage moreso than last season.

So assuming he hasn't figured it out between the summer and now, what are the options for the third weekend starter after Ginna and McLeod?

Todd4State
01-31-2020, 05:57 PM
So assuming he hasn't figured it out between the summer and now, what are the options for the third weekend starter after Ginna and McLeod?

Probably Carlisle Koestler.

Rex54
01-31-2020, 07:08 PM
I'm talking about his time this summer with Team Canada, his summer league team, and the recent scrimmage moreso than last season.

That's a far cry from 4-3 bottom 9 at the Box.

Homedawg
01-31-2020, 07:30 PM
I don't want my closer to be a guy who might walk 2-3-4 in a row. And if he doesn't do this he'll be the Sunday starter.

Randolph Dupree
01-31-2020, 10:55 PM
Some major shoes to fill are the middle relievers that gave us huge clutch innings last year:

Leibelt, Cole Gordon, and White

This year we have lots of candidates but I?m not sure we will know this for sure until SEC play.

Eagan, Brock, a Freshman (Sims), and a JUCO (Schemper) is the MSU-Baseball thing to happen. We will get a Zac Neff/Leibelt/Harden/Girodo/Ross Mitchell from where we least expect it. This freshman class has amazing upside.

Price back to 2017 All American level would fill a huge need very nicely. We need a closer.

Ultimately, what I think we are hoping is that Cerantola gets it together amd is the Sunday guy and Koestler is the reliable mid inning eater. I think we will piece together mid week pitching until, hopefully, one of the young guys establishes himself as the starter in prep for a weekend role next year.

AlSwearengen
01-31-2020, 11:21 PM
Following MS StateBaseballFan on facebook and he had some notes on today’s (Friday) scrimmage. LHP Jared Shemper did well as did RHP Chase Patrick who he has mentioned as continuing to impress. I have seen him mention Patrick before. I took note of it b/c Patrick is a name that I was not familiar with. I think he is a juco transfer who may not have pitched much in the fall (could be wrong on that though).

His write up on today’s scrimmage was very brief so not much info other than that.

Todd4State
02-01-2020, 12:17 AM
I don't want my closer to be a guy who might walk 2-3-4 in a row. And if he doesn't do this he'll be the Sunday starter.

I don't either. But I also don't think we have anyone that is obviously Jonathan Holder on this team too. Maybe someone will emerge.


Ultimately, what I think we are hoping is that Cerantola gets it together amd is the Sunday guy and Koestler is the reliable mid inning eater. I think we will piece together mid week pitching until, hopefully, one of the young guys establishes himself as the starter in prep for a weekend role next year.

That is definitely the hope. Especially since we're going to bring Ginn along slowly. We'll see how things play out OOC because I'm guessing Ginn will be ready by SEC play if all goes well on that front.