MSU/Florida game 6 p.m.

[RocketDawg]

Just about to start on ESPN2.

[RocketDawg]

And Dick Vitale is announcing ....

[dawgday166]

And Dick Vitale is announcing ....

Good ... we can hear about Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina all night ***

[msstate7]

Lewis avg's 8 a game. He's at 10 at the first break. Man, we are a cursed program

[chef dixon]

This Scottie dude can't miss

[MarketingBully]

Get down big early. Fight like hell and get it cut to one and then lose at the end because we didn?t play 40 minutes....sound about right?

[MarketingBully]

Lewis avg's 8 a game. He's at 10 at the first break. Man, we are a cursed program

I?d make those shots too. Wide ass open.

[dawgday166]

Lewis avg's 8 a game. He's at 10 at the first break. Man, we are a cursed program

I don't think cursed is the right adjective.

[dawgday166]

Get down big early. Fight like hell and get it cut to one and then lose at the end because we didn?t play 40 minutes....sound about right?

Sound like they have a plan and let you in on it ****

[msstate7]

And Perry can't make a contested layup.

[msstate7]

I've gotta turn the channel. Perry showing why he isn't an nba player

[Lord McBuckethead]

Down 8. 13 minutes left

[parabrave]

Jeez only 1 Assist so far. Well it is a total team effort so far.

[dawgday166]

And Perry can't make a contested layup.

Not a tough team. Similar to football. Soft as charmin down low. Slightest breeze affects us going up strong.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No idea what we are doing on offense. Turn overs. Lazy passes. Not hitting the boards. Letting them get to the rack.

Well its a typical 10 minute stretch for our basketball team.

Someone needs to tell these guys they can 17n play from the tip. Literally every game.

[chef dixon]

We just don't do the little things. Just being big keeps us in games

[MarketingBully]

I've gotta turn the channel. Perry showing why he isn't an nba player

Yep and he still will leave for the NBA. If he came back with the PG we have coming in we will be bad ass next year. I?d hope that if we miss the tourney that he?d come back but nope he will leave. It sucks because we aren?t coached worth a shit. This should be a sweet 16 team. Howland has screwed us this year.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Ballgame.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Unless Florida just 17s up this game, its over. I have seen this show plenty of times. They are ready to light it up.

[MarketingBully]

No idea what we are doing on offense. Turn overs. Lazy passes. Not hitting the boards. Letting them get to the rack.

Well its a typical 10 minute stretch for our basketball team.

Someone needs to tell these guys they can 17n play from the tip. Literally every game.

Hell we don?t even know how to pass the ball into the interior. Something that is taught in freaking grade school. The coaching job Howland has done this year is extremely embarrassing.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Love the team, but they don't have what it takes. Wish they did. I see it here and there, but they just don't have it.

[msstate7]

This is garbage. I'm not a fire howland guy, but he has to do something. We shouldn't be getting run out the building by an average Florida team. Ben needs to get a whole new staff.

[msstate7]

Atta boy, Perry. Man up

[MarketingBully]

This is garbage. I'm not a fire howland guy, but he has to do something. We shouldn't be getting run out the building by an average Florida team. Ben needs to get a whole new staff.

Ben is a washed up coach. He basically said they don?t practice end game situations. He?s an embarrassment.

[MaroonFlounder]

i hate basketball

[MarketingBully]

Think about this. We have no point guards on our roster. How dumb is that?

[msstate7]

Ado should sit every time he takes that garbage shot. That is not part of his game

[Lord McBuckethead]

I really like how we pass the ball around the arc, from 8-10 beyond. Then for some reason we still do not have any room for an inlet pass.

Somehow every team we play does the same thing, but with their toes on the 3 pt line.

[MarketingBully]

Nick combo guard, Tyson combo guard, Molinar combo guard. All are scorers not distributors. Those are the three we have playing PG for us. I like Nick and he?s a great defender but he can?t run our offense worth a shit. Tyson can sort of run it but we can?t even get the ball passed into the interior. We aren?t running our offense through our NBA player. This is just dumb basketball.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Down 13 with 7 to play 1st half.

[vv83]

Ado is horrible. My god

[Lord McBuckethead]

Wow. Dude missed an lob layup, got his own board and went back up.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Might want to go full court pressure and then switch to zone or something. We are not interested in playing defense. Love them, but they are getting too many pats on the back.

[MarketingBully]

I take it back. We are just going to get plain ole blown out in this one. This team needs a point guard in the worst way. Not saying it wouldn?t cure all of our ills but it would cure most.

[MarketingBully]

Might want to go full court pressure and then switch to zone or something. We are not interested in playing defense. Love them, but they are getting too many pats on the back.

Howland never plays zone. He refuses to.

[dawgday166]

Might want to go full court pressure and then switch to zone or something. We are not interested in playing defense. Love them, but they are getting too many pats on the back.

Based on what I've learned about Leach I believe he would call this team "entitled".

[RocketDawg]

Maybe we'll have a miracle comeback in the second half. Did against Oklahoma and almost pulled it out.

[MarketingBully]

Maybe we'll have a miracle comeback in the second half. Did against Oklahoma and almost pulled it out.

Still would be an L and just would emphasize the fact this team doesn?t play all 40 minutes.

[dawgday166]

Maybe we'll have a miracle comeback in the second half. Did against Oklahoma and almost pulled it out.

Oh ... we probably will and with the same result too. That's in the SOP manual they play by. ***

[msstate7]

Perry heard me saying he isn't an nba player, and he's flipping me double birds haha

Keep up it up, Reggie

[MarketingBully]

I hope Dickie Vs comments get back to Howland when he said this isn?t Howland Defense. Howland needs to put fire and become the inner asshole he is to get this talent to do something.

[msstate7]

Jeez carter

[msstate7]

Wut?

[dawgday166]

I hope Dickie Vs comments get back to Howland when he said this isn?t Howland Defense. Howland needs to put fire and become the inner asshole he is to get this talent to do something.

He's a players coach now. Like Moorhead.

[MarketingBully]

Wut?

Wasn?t he in the circle? Shouldn?t that have been a blocking foul?

[msstate7]

That's a big awful foul call. It should be 8 pt game

[CJDAWG85]

That last 50 seconds sums up Howland's coaching in a nutshell. Got a chance to go 2 for 1 after cutting it back to 8 and Carter gets it picked and Perry picks up a charge. This team plays with no fire or passion.

[msstate7]

That last 50 seconds sums up Howland's coaching in a nutshell. Got a chance to go 2 for 1 after cutting it back to 8 and Carter gets it picked and Perry picks up a charge. This team plays with no fire or passion.

Carter was bad there, but Perry drove and drew a foul. That offensive foul was BS

[dantheman4248]

This team is just so blah to watch. They aren't bulldogs.

Yea Howland has recruited well and is performing statistically above average even versus recent history. But like Moorhead, the product isn't inspiring. We're underperforming that over recruiting. And it's not something people want to watch or support. The product from the women's is more inspiring (not just better). We look like a glorified AAU collection of athletes out there. Women's actually look like a TEAM.

But nah po ol mitipi tate. Should be happy with this and kick rocks if not. Can't wait to see the post complaining about students not showing up to a midweek game during midterms****

[MarketingBully]

That last 50 seconds sums up Howland's coaching in a nutshell. Got a chance to go 2 for 1 after cutting it back to 8 and Carter gets it picked and Perry picks up a charge. This team plays with no fire or passion.

That?s this team in a nut shell. The fact that Tyson Carter is logging half of our point guard minutes and has to do it says a lot. He?s not a point guard. Howland went to sleep when recruiting last year and forgot we needed a point guard this year. We have a bad ass one coming next year but it doesn?t help this team.

[msstate7]

Unlike football, sec basketball is a very avg product. If we fire howland for not making the tourney, we'd have an awful time finding a good candidate. We have zero fan support, and howland is a very respected coach. Firing him for anything less than a total implosion would destroy our mediocre program that we've struggled to get back to mediocre

[dantheman4248]

Unlike football, sec basketball is a very avg product. If we fire howland for not making the tourney, we'd have an awful time finding a good candidate. We have zero fan support, and howland is a very respected coach. Firing him for anything less than a total implosion would destroy our mediocre program that we've struggled to get back to mediocre

Oh I don't disagree. It's a rock and a hard place. My point is that there is a very clear problem. How we can fix it? No idea. We're stuck with Howland for the long haul so I don't see much changing from us.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Look, I am a complete asshole when it comes to talk8ng shit about basketball. I want some 17n swagger like the road dawgs had. They excelled at literally everything, but first and foremost get-in-their-face grit.

I just cannot stand the lack of offensive set plays. I watch week in and out. We never execute a plan. We never attack a weakness. We allow the other team to exploit us every single week.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Dude got his own rebound, uncontested by 4 bulldogs after an alley oop miss.

[msstate7]

Oh I don't disagree. It's a rock and a hard place. My point is that there is a very clear problem. How we can fix it? No idea. We're stuck with Howland for the long haul so I don't see much changing from us.

I think howland needs to upgrade his assistants. I think howland is still a good coach, not great, but still good enough.

[MarketingBully]

Look, I am a complete asshole when it comes to talk8ng shit about basketball. I want some 17n swagger like the road dawgs had. They excelled at literally everything, but first and foremost get-in-their-face grit.

I just cannot stand the lack of offensive set plays. I watch week in and out. We never execute a plan. We never attack a weakness. We allow the other team to exploit us every single week.

You need a point guard to consistently run an offense.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Howland liked their effort?

[dantheman4248]

"Appreciate the effort" "But we need to get back quicker."

Someone tell Ben... ahh **** it never mind.

[msstate7]

Does anyone miss more layups than us?

[msstate7]

Please take care of the ball

[MarketingBully]

We do dumb shit.

[msstate7]

Refs are letting these teams street fight, and unfortunately, it seems to favor Florida

[MarketingBully]

Teams that press will blow us out because Howland doesn?t have a true point guard on this team.

[MarketingBully]

Refs are letting these teams street fight, and unfortunately, it seems to favor Florida

I?d hate to see what it looks like when we play South Carolina.

[HoopsDawg]

Come on Carter. Shoot that corner 3! And horrible entry passes.

[TimberBeast]

Another wasted two hours of my life on this team. When will I learn?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can we go the rest of the game and just jack 3s. 4 turnovers ugly as 17 turnovers in a row.

[RocketDawg]

We're playing with a little more enthusiasm in the 2nd half. Only down by 4 now.

[HoopsDawg]

Teams that press will blow us out because Howland doesn?t have a true point guard on this team.

Nick is the point guard now. He is a point guard. That's not our problem.

[msstate7]

Nick, please don't commit a careless foul.

[MarketingBully]

This is just like Oklahoma game. If we didn?t turn it over so much on dumb lazy passes and plays we?d have three more wins.

[msstate7]

Come on Carter. Shoot that corner 3! And horrible entry passes.

Yeah, he has to take that shot. He ain't gonna get much done at the rim vs Florida

[HoopsDawg]

I'm sure Howland sounds like a broken record saying get the ball to Perry. That's all he seems to say. That leads to players forcing the ball to Reggie. UF is double teaming him. Other players have to step up and you can't force it!

[MarketingBully]

Nick is the point guard now. He is a point guard. That's not our problem.

Are you serious? This is the first time he?s played point guard. Last year Peters was our PG.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Please God prove me wrong and let them pull this dang game out. UF has lost the momentum. Got to come out and play our ass off for the next 13.5 minutes.

[msstate7]

Big stretch here with no perry

[HoopsDawg]

Are you serious? This is the first time he?s played point guard. Last year Peters was our PG.

Of course Peters was the PG last year.

[HoopsDawg]

Carter killing us again. Damn it, what a careless TO.

[msstate7]

Put carter on the damn bench. Holy sheet

[MarketingBully]

What was that travel about? He didn?t even dribble and the UF guy was pushing him.

[HoopsDawg]

Tyson 1-6 with 3 turnovers. He has been so inconsistent this year it's maddening.

[msstate7]

Carter killing us again. Damn it, what a careless TO.

Just rewound it. It looked funny, but I don't think he moved his pivot foot (left)

[HoopsDawg]

What was that travel about? He didn?t even dribble and the UF guy was pushing him.

He took 2 steps before he put the ball on the floor. And he did it right in front of the ref.

[MarketingBully]

Just rewound it. It looked funny, but I don't think he moved his pivot foot (left)

He didn?t and he was pushed.

[HoopsDawg]

Just rewound it. It looked funny, but I don't think he moved his pivot foot (left)

It was an awkward movement. Ref is going to call it 9 out of 10 times.

[RougeDawg]

Turnovers are inexcusable

[dantheman4248]

This is the ugliest comeback I've seen. Florida missed some wide open looks and eventually we're making them pay. Keep dumb lucking our to a win tonight and it would go a long ways towards a tourney berth.

[HoopsDawg]

UF just walked, then hit the front of the rim, and it went in.

[msstate7]

This is the ugliest comeback I've seen. Florida missed some wide open looks and eventually we're making them pay. Keep dumb lucking our to a win tonight and it would go a long ways towards a tourney berth.

They missed nothing to start the game... it's just regressing to mean

[msstate7]

UF just walked, then hit the front of the rim, and it went in.

Yep

[dantheman4248]

They missed nothing to start the game... it's just regressing to mean

I mean yea. Just how many teams go on a 9-0 run while committing 4 turnovers in successive possessions.

Also Dickie V stick to basketball.

[msstate7]

Nick has cost us 4 points. Probably be big down stretch

[TimberBeast]

Florida?s not good and we play so dumb.

[MaroonFlounder]

Q leaves and we have TutorGate spoon can't drive the floor and make a layup

[RocketDawg]

He took 2 steps before he put the ball on the floor. And he did it right in front of the ref.

That seems to be legal nowadays. ** Really.

[HoopsDawg]

Nick has cost us 4 points. Probably be big down stretch

2 great drives, great effort. unreal that he missed the layups but it's hard to get too mad at him. I get more mad at Reggie for not blocking out or being slow on his rotations.

[RocketDawg]

I mean yea. Just how many teams go on a 9-0 run while committing 4 turnovers in successive possessions.

Also Dickie V stick to basketball.

Yeah, he probably knows nothing about the situation. He too seems to think "winning the Egg Bowl" is all there is.

[MarketingBully]

How many unforced turnovers have we committed? And HoopsDawg says point guard isn?t the problem? Please...

[MaroonFlounder]

Close games. On the road.

LSU. 1 point loss.
OU. 1 point loss.

Tonight?

[msstate7]

Carter avenging himself

[RocketDawg]

Carter avenging himself

Yeah, those last two scores were very well done.

[MaroonFlounder]

How many unforced turnovers have we committed? And HoopsDawg says point guard isn?t the problem? Please...

Tyson made up for his turnovers with 2 great drives to the basket

[jacobyjones5]

We may have the most athletic starting 5 in the SEC which makes all these close losses from simple mistakes even more frustrating

[HoopsDawg]

6 reggie perry turnovers.

[msstate7]

Perry, Perry, Perry, you have to cash that in

[msstate7]

Perry lazy defense

[RocketDawg]

Perry 3!

[msstate7]

Huge

[MarketingBully]

Patience Poise leads to points! Let?s finish this boys!!!!

[msbulldog]

Perry 26 pts.

[HoopsDawg]

Perry lazy defense

Perry gets lazy on D, makes awful turnovers, gets in his feelings, BUT he is a beast offensively.

[msstate7]

Perry 26 pts.

And he's left some out there. He's a few tweaks from being unbelievable

[MarketingBully]

Win tonight and it gives us some wiggle room that we lost going 0-3. Need this win! Come on bring it home guys! Force them into perimeter contested shots defend and make freethrows and we got this!!!

[MaroonFlounder]

Finally playing like they want to go the big tourney. F*** the NIT

[HoopsDawg]

When Carter plays well, we are tough to beat.

[msstate7]

BS

[HoopsDawg]

OMG that foul call on Woodard!!!! No way.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And here comes the refs.

[msstate7]

Perry helps us. Perry kills us

[HoopsDawg]

It's hard to call Reggie not a winning player, but he makes a lot of loser plays. 7 Turnovers.

[msstate7]

These refs ain't calling crap on Florida defense

[msstate7]

Huge

[HoopsDawg]

Great find by our PG. Nick has played outstanding the last 5 games at the point.

[chef dixon]

We should be bullying teams like this with our guys

[msstate7]

State, please finish this! Please! We need it so bad

[RougeDawg]

Without all these turnovers, we win in a blowout. Seems like that is the Achilles heel every game, win or lose.

[msstate7]

Great find by our PG. Nick has played outstanding the last 5 games at the point.

If he started from game 1, he'd be really good there

[msstate7]

Take it back out there

[HoopsDawg]

Big time rebound by Stewart.

[HoopsDawg]

wow, that was bad help D by Perry there.

[msstate7]

Big time rebound by Stewart.

Wish we had taken it back out. Time was more important

[RocketDawg]

Now, we need to make all these upcoming free throws.

[msstate7]

I know it ain't gonna happen; but if we could get nick, Perry, and Woodard back next season, we'd be tenn 2018

[chef dixon]

Slowest clock ever

[HoopsDawg]

I know it ain't gonna happen; but if we could get nick, Perry, and Woodard back next season, we'd be tenn 2018

Why even think this way or post this? We are in the middle of our season. Of course that ain't happening.

[RocketDawg]

That was an exceptional comeback win.

[msstate7]

Why even think this way or post this? We are in the middle of our season. Of course that ain't happening.

I just see a team that can be pretty good, but could be great with another year.

[HoopsDawg]

That was a must win game for UF and we took it from them. We have a very talented basketball team. Maybe the signature win of the Howland era.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good 17n fight. Good job to all the bulldogs. Good to great coaching adjustments.

[msstate7]

Well, hats off to howland and the dawgs. Very, very big win

[chef dixon]

The last 5 minutes were the best I've seen us play in a long time when a game is on the line

[HoopsDawg]

I just see a team that can be pretty good, but could be great with another year.

I'm trying to change your mentality. Wishing for shit that isn't going to happen is a waste of time.

[dantheman4248]

Huge win. Need to keep winning these type games.

[OLJWales]

son of a bitch. I got home and continued to work and forgot about this game. Great win for State. I hit record a few secs ago, will enjoy watching the last few minutes and SEC Now. GREAT win; the men deserve a thanks from the fans. Way to go guys.

[TimberBeast]

Just think what we could do if we gave a damn for an entire game.

[msstate7]

I'm trying to change your mentality. Wishing for shit that isn't going to happen is a waste of time.

I wished Moorhead would get fired before year 3. Don't underestimate the power of my wishes lol

[RocketDawg]

Just think what we could do if we gave a damn for an entire game.

Well, Florida was hitting just about everything they threw up in the first half.

[LC Dawg]

This bunch can be frustrating but that was a great win. Biggest win of the season by far.

[MarketingBully]

Well, hats off to howland and the dawgs. Very, very big win

Yep I was wrong and glad to admit it. The best thing for all parties involved is Howland figures everything out and gets this team playing to its potential. Our potential is Sweet 16 imo. I think we could get to 12-6 in the league if we start to play to our potential and if that?s the case we will be comfortably in the tourney and be under seeded. I want Howland to succeed because we have the talent.

[OLJWales]

we gonna get a nice bump on that math, computer thingy.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The last 5 minutes were the best I've seen us play in a long time when a game is on the line

Absolutely. I was proven wrong. I had this game as a loss at the 10 minute mark of the first half. Glad to be proven wrong

[Bothrops]

YUUUUUGGGE win for Howland and the Dogs.. show Starkville Miss-a-ssippi what's is all about...let da big man feast on the floor......

[MarketingBully]

Just think what we could do if we gave a damn for an entire game.

We?d have at least 4 more wins.

[TimberBeast]

Well, Florida was hitting just about everything they threw up in the first half.

It?s not just this game and some of that was because of us. We look great at times and awful and lazy at times,

[MarketingBully]

Well, Florida was hitting just about everything they threw up in the first half.

We were playing shitty defense early. We made adjustments in the second half and forced them to take contested perimeter shots.

[starkvegasdawg]

Little Dick Vitalle might be on suicide watch now. I thought he just sucked off Duke and UNC.

[Bothrops]

We are obviously a second half team.

[MarketingBully]

If we make the tourney and make the second weekend, I?ll be glad to see Reggie jump. I hope we win a lot and can get to 13-5 or something because Perry deserves the SEC player of the year if he continues to play like he is.

[KOdawg1]

Didn't realize we played tonight until I logged on here. Much needed win. This team can be really good if they get things figured out

[gtowndawg]

Good win boys...

[chef dixon]

I just hope the OU and LSU games don't haunt us in March

[MarketingBully]

I just hope the OU and LSU games don't haunt us in March

We just made up for the OU loss tonight.

[Ari Gold]

Ben mother ****ing Howland...

[msstate7]

Now we're big ark and Florida fans. We need both of those wins to stay Q1

[MarketingBully]

Now we're big ark and Florida fans. We need both of those wins to stay Q1

Ark win will stay Quad 1 and I doubt UF drops below 70. That was on the road so as long as they don?t drop below 70 it?s a Quad 1.

[MarketingBully]

After Wednesday we will be tied for 3rd in the league. After the SEC start we had, I never thought we?d be close to that!

[Cowbell]

I despise watching Howland coached teams but was glad I tuned in the last few minutes. Great play down the stretch.

[Ari Gold]

I despise watching Howland coached teams but was glad I tuned in the last few minutes. Great play down the stretch.

No more than we despise stupid ****ing posts like this..

[Madisonmd]

Huge win! Proud for them.

[Cowbell]

No more than we despise stupid ****ing posts like this..

What makes this a stupid post? That i don't like your daddy's coaching?

[Pipedream]

Now we're big ark and Florida fans. We need both of those wins to stay Q1

I usually like a lot of your posts, but you and a couple of people look like dumbass?s in this thread. Reggie isn?t an nba player? That?s laughable. He?s in the hunt for sec POTY right now.

[BeardoMSU]

I despise watching Howland coached teams but was glad I tuned in the last few minutes. Great play down the stretch.

I'm not sure what memories of MSU basketball you have, lol...

Outside of the 60's....and a couple year stretch in the mid-90's...what are you missing? SECW banners? We were a ****ing 5 seed last year, and hopefully on our way to making the dance again this year. Back to back years...that would be nice...How many times have we even made the Dance in our history as a program, after all?

****s sake.

[BeardoMSU]

I usually like a lot of your posts, but you and a couple of people look like dumbass?s in this thread. Reggie isn?t an nba player? That?s laughable. He?s in the hunt for sec POTY right now.

7 is admittedly an emotional poster, lol. And he always owns it, unlike others.

[msstate7]

I usually like a lot of your posts, but you and a couple of people look like dumbass?s in this thread. Reggie isn?t an nba player? That?s laughable. He?s in the hunt for sec POTY right now.

Yeah, heat of the moment got me. With that said, Reggie is a great offensive college player, but that doesn't mean he will be an nba player. We've had some really good ones before that weren't, Mario Austin and Lawrence Roberts come to mind. Forget that though, yeah, I was pretty dumb on page 1-2 or whatever it was

ETA... one thing I don't take back is the thought howland can upgrade his staff. I think he needs someone that can help us offensively

[BeardoMSU]

Yeah, heat of the moment got me. With that said, Reggie is a great offensive college player, but that doesn't mean he will be an nba player. We've had some really good ones before that weren't, Mario Austin and Lawrence Roberts come to mind. Forget that though, yeah, I was pretty dumb on page 1-2 or whatever it was

Making the NBA is hard, and staying there is even harder. We've had several players I was certain would go on to respectable NBA careers that never panned out, let alone made it to the G-league or off the continent of Europe.

[Lord McBuckethead]

7 is admittedly an emotional poster, lol. And he always owns it, unlike others.

Hell I owned it. I was completely wrong. Gave them no shot of winning this game after the first 10 minutes. I am very glad they proved me wrong. We still are not moving the ball well or running any type of offense. I am partial to working inside out, or a drive and kick. We have nick and carter that can drive. We have Perry drawing a double everytime he touches it. We really need to figure out how to get Carter and Woodard squared up on open 3s.

[MarketingBully]

I usually like a lot of your posts, but you and a couple of people look like dumbass?s in this thread. Reggie isn?t an nba player? That?s laughable. He?s in the hunt for sec POTY right now.

I?m going to stick up for 7 right here. He hasn?t given up on this team one bit. My posts look stupid on here and yes I know if Perry keeps playing like he is he will be almost a loco for SEC player of the year but and there?s a big one this team is probably one of the more frustrating teams to watch Howland has had. For most of the first half we didn?t play defense and turned the ball over. In the second half we adjusted and stepped up our offensive execution but we still turned the ball over at an unprecedented rate. This is the most talented team Howland has had here and we are on the bubble and honestly should be comfortably in and playing for an SEC championship. If we played up to our potential at the start of the season, we probably are 17-4 instead of 13-7. But we still have plenty to play for and if we keep winning we will get to the dance and make the second weekend which I think is the end result everyone wants!

[MarketingBully]

Yeah, heat of the moment got me. With that said, Reggie is a great offensive college player, but that doesn't mean he will be an nba player. We've had some really good ones before that weren't, Mario Austin and Lawrence Roberts come to mind. Forget that though, yeah, I was pretty dumb on page 1-2 or whatever it was

ETA... one thing I don't take back is the thought howland can upgrade his staff. I think he needs someone that can help us offensively

Reggie is about as sure fire an NBA player we?ve ever had.

[MarketingBully]

Hell I owned it. I was completely wrong. Gave them no shot of winning this game after the first 10 minutes. I am very glad they proved me wrong. We still are not moving the ball well or running any type of offense. I am partial to working inside out, or a drive and kick. We have nick and carter that can drive. We have Perry drawing a double everytime he touches it. We really need to figure out how to get Carter and Woodard squared up on open 3s.

We ran offense very well in the last five minutes.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We did. We adjusted very well and started attacking. We also took solid shots.

[pilldawg]

I?m going to stick up for 7 right here. He hasn?t given up on this team one bit. My posts look stupid on here and yes I know if Perry keeps playing like he is he will be almost a loco for SEC player of the year but and there?s a big one this team is probably one of the more frustrating teams to watch Howland has had. For most of the first half we didn?t play defense and turned the ball over. In the second half we adjusted and stepped up our offensive execution but we still turned the ball over at an unprecedented rate. This is the most talented team Howland has had here and we are on the bubble and honestly should be comfortably in and playing for an SEC championship. If we played up to our potential at the start of the season, we probably are 17-4 instead of 13-7. But we still have plenty to play for and if we keep winning we will get to the dance and make the second weekend which I think is the end result everyone wants!

We would have with Nick Weatherspoon. Also, building and gaining chemistry mid year was good for about 3 losses as well. We are much better than our current record.

[confucius say]

How many unforced turnovers have we committed? And HoopsDawg says point guard isn?t the problem? Please...

Perry and ado alone had over half our turnovers

[Ari Gold]

Perry and ado alone had over half our turnovers

Yeah Nick went for
13 points
8 dimes
4 boards
1 turnover .. yes 1

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

What makes this a stupid post? That i don't like your daddy's coaching?

Maybe you would prefer Kermit and blowing a 17 point half time lead to take his team to 1-6 in there conference.

Howland, in 5 years ,has brought us back to the place Stansbury had us during the Jamont/Rhodes era. We have only been to the tournament 11 times in the school's history. What exactly do you think Howland should be doing differently ?

[bigplayslay]

Maybe you would prefer Kermit and blowing a 17 point half time lead to take his team to 1-6 in there conference.

Howland, in 5 years ,has brought us back to the place Stansbury had us during the Jamont/Rhodes era. We have only been to the tournament 11 times in the school's history. What exactly do you think Howland should be doing differently ?

It's not worth it man. This guy's in the crowd of people over on 247 that want Vic to coach the men AND the women. At the same time. So again, not worth it.

[Ari Gold]

It's not worth it man. This guy's in the crowd of people over on 247 that want Vic to coach the men AND the women. At the same time. So again, not worth it.

Amen.. ****ing amen..

[Cooterpoot]

Howland teams always keep the fans hanging on with a win here and a win there. If he misses the tournament, he should retire. Talent is there.
It's very much like the last few years of Stans.

[msstate7]

Got to take care of business Saturday vs tenn. This team just gave us a huge win; let's reward them with a home court advantage.

[LC Dawg]

Perry and ado alone had over half our turnovers

That's kind of misleading because Perry had 7 and Ado had 1 even though the total is over half. Ado did alos mishandle a couple of balls but he was only credited with one turnover. Perry had a horrible game as far as turnovers but obviously played very well otherwise.
The following is not directed at you but Ado gets a lot of grief and most of it is unwarrented. Yeah, he doesn't have the best hands but he has improved in that area and without his rebounds and blocked and altered shots our basketball team would be a much worse team.

[Cowbell]

It's not worth it man. This guy's in the crowd of people over on 247 that want Vic to coach the men AND the women. At the same time. So again, not worth it.

Actually not at all. I like Howland. Think he is a great recruiter. I just dont enjoy watching teams in any sport that don't play with effort and execution. Im ok getting out talented, but I hate seeing us get outcoached and out worked. I feel like that has been the two previous years, much compared to our 2019 football team. When we win, we win with talent. We lose some games to talent too, but all the even talent teams we get out coached or out-hussled. For that reason, I have quit following as much because I got burned out at the end of the Stansbury error over the same issues (went to all home games). With that said, I am back on board to support this team as long as they continue to play with effort, regardless of Wins/losses.

[Cowbell]

Yeah Nick went for
13 points
8 dimes
4 boards
1 turnover .. yes 1

5 turnovers in 4 games is impressive to say the least (according to Dickie V last night)

[StarkVegasSteve]

As crazy as it is, we're a horrendous offensive day and two buzzer beaters from being 16-4 and 5-1 in the conference. As Jon Rothstein tweeted out last night, we have one of the most talented rosters in the league. It finally looks like they're starting to gel. I think the way we fought back last night will give them confidence that with our talent we're never out of the fight. Need a big crowd every home game from here on out.

[dantheman4248]

The fact that the guy who is the point guard only had 1 of our double digit turnovers DOES show that there is an issue with not having a true point. Nick himself is not the issue. The fact that he isn't a point guard is the issue. Not having a true point leads to guys who aren't as good of ball handlers handling the ball more and creating more for themselves. This leads to higher turnovers for them. This also perpetuates the issue we have with too stagnant of offense and iso-ball. Doesn't seem to be enough moving parts out there consistently.

This team is supremely talented. Maybe the most talented at MSU ever. But they don't play like a team. They play like 5 individuals wearing the same jersey. People mad about that are mad because it feels like wasted potential. It would be an absolute travesty to miss the tournament with this team. Yes, Ben can recruit his ass off to here. But he either needs to shore up the coaching or hire someone who can help.

[AROB44]

Ben Howland is one of the top 3 basketball coaches we have ever had. I'm far from wanting him to leave.

[Ari Gold]

Ben Howland is one of the top 3 basketball coaches we have ever had. I'm far from wanting him to leave.

He is number 2 .. if you considered Vic is #1
If it’s just men’s hoops he is #1.

[RocketDawg]

He is number 2 .. if you considered Vic is #1
If it’s just men’s hoops he is #1.

How about Babe McCarthy?

[AROB44]

He is number 2 .. if you considered Vic is #1
If it?s just men?s hoops he is #1.

Sorry, I still have to put Babe McCarthy as number 1

[dawgday166]

He is number 2 .. if you considered Vic is #1
If it?s just men?s hoops he is #1.

Vic is #1
Richard Williams #2
Howland #3 at MSU ... if he goes to Sweet 16 and Final 4 in back-to-back years then he'll be #1 men's at MSU and wins tie-breaker because of his past pedigree also.

[MarketingBully]

The fact that the guy who is the point guard only had 1 of our double digit turnovers DOES show that there is an issue with not having a true point. Nick himself is not the issue. The fact that he isn't a point guard is the issue. Not having a true point leads to guys who aren't as good of ball handlers handling the ball more and creating more for themselves. This leads to higher turnovers for them. This also perpetuates the issue we have with too stagnant of offense and iso-ball. Doesn't seem to be enough moving parts out there consistently.

This team is supremely talented. Maybe the most talented at MSU ever. But they don't play like a team. They play like 5 individuals wearing the same jersey. People mad about that are mad because it feels like wasted potential. It would be an absolute travesty to miss the tournament with this team. Yes, Ben can recruit his ass off to here. But he either needs to shore up the coaching or hire someone who can help.

This and it was always this. We literally start 2 five star and 3 four star players in our starting five. Kentucky and maybe Auburn are basically the only two teams that can match up with us talent wise in the league. We don?t even play one of our four star players at all in Elias King who is a heck of a shooter and player and when he has gotten minutes he?s made them count. Quintin Post was on the U19 Dutch national team and he doesn?t get any minutes at all. This team oozes with talent even on our bench and Howland basically is only playing 7 players any significant minutes. This team easily could go 9-10 deep and we could pick up the defensive intensity and run but Howland never developed our bench at all. We are where we are and we have to roll with it. Glad we finally are winning and playing to our potential. Hopefully we continue to.

[MarketingBully]

Ben Howland is one of the top 3 basketball coaches we have ever had. I'm far from wanting him to leave.

He?s the best recruiter we?ve had but he?s not the best bench coach. Richard Williams was a much better bench coach imo. I do hope Howland can figure out the bench coach aspect because that would be the best case scenario for all involved.

[Cowbell]

Howland could easily become the best men's basketball coach we've ever had in the next 5 years. But to put him in the top three today is ludicrous. The man has not even won a game in the big dance. Let's revisit this after he wins the west, wins an SEC Championship, wins the sec tournament championship, or makes it to a final four. None of which he has done yet.

[msu15]

Howland could easily become the best men's basketball coach we've ever had in the next 5 years. But to put him in the top three today is ludicrous. The man has not even won a game in the big dance. Let's revisit this after he wins the west, wins an SEC Championship, wins the sec tournament championship, or makes it to a final four. None of which he has done yet.
There is no more East/West

[Ari Gold]

The statement was one of the top 3 coaches we have ever had.. the way i took that is what he has done here plus his overall resume not just what he has done here

I based my ranking on what he did prior to getting here and what he has done here ..

[Cowbell]

The statement was one of the top 3 coaches we have ever had.. the way i took that is what he has done here plus his overall resume not just what he has done here

I based my ranking on what he did prior to getting here and what he has done here ..

Fair enough - I will agree with you on that. He's far and away number one in that case and I hope he continues to prove himself here.

[bigplayslay]

Actually not at all. I like Howland. Think he is a great recruiter. I just dont enjoy watching teams in any sport that don't play with effort and execution. Im ok getting out talented, but I hate seeing us get outcoached and out worked. I feel like that has been the two previous years, much compared to our 2019 football team. When we win, we win with talent. We lose some games to talent too, but all the even talent teams we get out coached or out-hussled. For that reason, I have quit following as much because I got burned out at the end of the Stansbury error over the same issues (went to all home games). With that said, I am back on board to support this team as long as they continue to play with effort, regardless of Wins/losses.

Man I just don't know how much more effort you want. We were down by 16 in the first half and cut it to 10 by halftime. They led by that much because shot over 50% from 3 in the first half. We battled back and won the game in convincing fashion.

[Ari Gold]

Man I just don't know how much more effort you want. We were down by 16 in the first half and cut it to 10 by halftime. They led by that much because shot over 50% from 3 in the first half. We battled back and won the game in convincing fashion.

It’s silly.
If you read some of the posts here You would think that every other college men’s hoops team

Plays 40 minutes with 100% effort
Commit zero turnovers
Shoot 70% from the field
Score 80+ a game
Hold opponents to under 60 a game
Get every rebound
Get every loose ball

Here is what everyone needs to do when watch men’s hoops , not just MSU hoops all college hoops,
Remember it’s not college football
It not men’s hoops from the the 90’s or 2000’s
And it’s 110% different than the women’s game

Keep those 3 things in mind and the games will be much more enjoyable. And if you don’t like the mens game don’t watch it.

[Ari Gold]

Actually not at all. I like Howland. Think he is a great recruiter. I just dont enjoy watching teams in any sport that don't play with effort and execution. Im ok getting out talented, but I hate seeing us get outcoached and out worked. I feel like that has been the two previous years, much compared to our 2019 football team. When we win, we win with talent. We lose some games to talent too, but all the even talent teams we get out coached or out-hussled. For that reason, I have quit following as much because I got burned out at the end of the Stansbury error over the same issues (went to all home games). With that said, I am back on board to support this team as long as they continue to play with effort, regardless of Wins/losses.

Getting out coached ?
Please explain ...
And besides the La Tech and New Mexico State game there hasn?t been a team we have lost to where we had superior talent and in some comes less over all talent

[Cowbell]

Getting out coached ?
Please explain ...
And besides the La Tech and New Mexico State game there hasn?t been a team we have lost to where we had superior talent and in some comes less over all talent

Ari, I just feel like we have no plan on offense a lot of the time and then our defensive strategy leaves the three ball wide open. I do feel like this team is really talented though, so I'm setting a bar that I will give Howland the credit for setting since he brought in the talent. Sometimes our body language is awful though and i just can not stand to watch it - it was worse last year and the year before though. I do agree with you that this is not the same game that we watched in the 90's and thats part of the reason I don't like as much, but you have to agree the Howland has some things that he could easily improve on from and X's and O's standpoint.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ari, I just feel like we have no plan on offense a lot of the time and then our defensive strategy leaves the three ball wide open. I do feel like this team is really talented though, so I'm setting a bar that I will give Howland the credit for setting since he brought in the talent. Sometimes our body language is awful though and i just can not stand to watch it - it was worse last year and the year before though. I do agree with you that this is not the same game that we watched in the 90's and thats part of the reason I don't like as much, but you have to agree the Howland has some things that he could easily improve on from and X's and O's standpoint.

Our offensive plan is get the ball to Reggie. Now, I do tend to agree with you on the D. We do tend to leave 3 point shooters open far too often, but I felt like our second half D on Tuesday was the best we've defending we've done this year.

[Ari Gold]

Ari, I just feel like we have no plan on offense a lot of the time and then our defensive strategy leaves the three ball wide open. I do feel like this team is really talented though, so I'm setting a bar that I will give Howland the credit for setting since he brought in the talent. Sometimes our body language is awful though and i just can not stand to watch it - it was worse last year and the year before though. I do agree with you that this is not the same game that we watched in the 90's and thats part of the reason I don't like as much, but you have to agree the Howland has some things that he could easily improve on from and X's and O's standpoint.

So does every other coach in the college game. I’m sure UVA fans wish the Cavs could score more points.. his coaching philosophy seemed to pay off last year pretty good.
I said it couple of years ago the one thing I wish CBH would do would be hire an ex head coach to the staff.

There are things even Vic needs to improve on

But the heat CBH gets and this team gets from our fan base is absurd..
Getting frustrated is fine , but some of the fans going full blown ignorance is another.

[dantheman4248]

It's not full blown ignorance. People get on here and bitch about the lack of support they get. People respond "Well here is why: it's not enjoyable and the team doesn't play hard and inspire the crowd with their effort." Then you decide to rebut with stats and say that we should get over it.

Newsflash: I support it. I watch it. It's my school. It does not keep me from supporting. But when you wonder why people aren't supporting, that's the reason why. It comes down to the fact that it's not that entertaining for a lot of people. We're Mississippi State. We pride ourselves on being the underdog who outworks everyone. That's what our fans identify with. The women's team has that mentality. The men's team doesn't. This makes the women's team a more entertaining product for our fans than our men's REGARDLESS OF RECORD. The men's team was a 5 seed last year ffs. But a majority of the fan base had 0 confidence we'd make it out of the first weekend. They didn't play with the fire that we like to see from MSU teams even if they were successful. See: Lack of football fan support circa 2019 (Egg Bowl win and Bowl game is above average for us historically).

Coupled with what 34 mentioned either in this thread or the other about TV broadcasting everything, it becomes clear why there is a distinct lack of stadium support. It's A. Not a product MSU fans identify with, B. Easily watchable on TV rather than putting in effort to go ("they don't put in the effort on the court why should I put it in off the court?"), and C. the game itself has become a worse product overtime in general. I personally don't watch regular season games that don't involve MSU anymore. It's worse than what people complain about the NBA with the ISO-Ball. The AAU coaching at the young age has got to get better or this product will continually get worse.

[MarketingBully]

It's not full blown ignorance. People get on here and bitch about the lack of support they get. People respond "Well here is why: it's not enjoyable and the team doesn't play hard and inspire the crowd with their effort." Then you decide to rebut with stats and say that we should get over it.

Newsflash: I support it. I watch it. It's my school. It does not keep me from supporting. But when you wonder why people aren't supporting, that's the reason why. It comes down to the fact that it's not that entertaining for a lot of people. We're Mississippi State. We pride ourselves on being the underdog who outworks everyone. That's what our fans identify with. The women's team has that mentality. The men's team doesn't. This makes the women's team a more entertaining product for our fans than our men's REGARDLESS OF RECORD. The men's team was a 5 seed last year ffs. But a majority of the fan base had 0 confidence we'd make it out of the first weekend. They didn't play with the fire that we like to see from MSU teams even if they were successful. See: Lack of football fan support circa 2019 (Egg Bowl win and Bowl game is above average for us historically).

Coupled with what 34 mentioned either in this thread or the other about TV broadcasting everything, it becomes clear why there is a distinct lack of stadium support. It's A. Not a product MSU fans identify with, B. Easily watchable on TV rather than putting in effort to go ("they don't put in the effort on the court why should I put it in off the court?"), and C. the game itself has become a worse product overtime in general. I personally don't watch regular season games that don't involve MSU anymore. It's worse than what people complain about the NBA with the ISO-Ball. The AAU coaching at the young age has got to get better or this product will continually get worse.

I also think the fact we have a women?s team that is as good as they are also hurts attendance with the men. In order for the Hump to be what it was and needs to be we need those local Starkville fans to go to the games and I just don?t think they go as much as they did. The Starkville fans that used to be the backbone of support under Stansbury migrated to the women?s team when A) the seating situation under the Ninja happened and B) the hiring of Rick Ray and the bottoming out of our program coupled with the rise of the women. The TV situation did not hurt the women?s attendance. If they want the Hump to be packed again, do something to bring back the Starkville fans.

[Ari Gold]

It's not full blown ignorance. People get on here and bitch about the lack of support they get. People respond "Well here is why: it's not enjoyable and the team doesn't play hard and inspire the crowd with their effort." Then you decide to rebut with stats and say that we should get over it.

Newsflash: I support it. I watch it. It's my school. It does not keep me from supporting. But when you wonder why people aren't supporting, that's the reason why. It comes down to the fact that it's not that entertaining for a lot of people. We're Mississippi State. We pride ourselves on being the underdog who outworks everyone. That's what our fans identify with. The women's team has that mentality. The men's team doesn't. This makes the women's team a more entertaining product for our fans than our men's REGARDLESS OF RECORD. The men's team was a 5 seed last year ffs. But a majority of the fan base had 0 confidence we'd make it out of the first weekend. They didn't play with the fire that we like to see from MSU teams even if they were successful. See: Lack of football fan support circa 2019 (Egg Bowl win and Bowl game is above average for us historically).

Coupled with what 34 mentioned either in this thread or the other about TV broadcasting everything, it becomes clear why there is a distinct lack of stadium support. It's A. Not a product MSU fans identify with, B. Easily watchable on TV rather than putting in effort to go ("they don't put in the effort on the court why should I put it in off the court?"), and C. the game itself has become a worse product overtime in general. I personally don't watch regular season games that don't involve MSU anymore. It's worse than what people complain about the NBA with the ISO-Ball. The AAU coaching at the young age has got to get better or this product will continually get worse.

The “team doesn’t play hard “ is such bullshit.. it’s old and played out
So because we were a 5 seed last year and lost in round one that effects this year ?
The women’s game is far more exciting ? That’s pure opinion. If you like the womens game better than the men’s thats fine.

All the excuses back a few years ago was just win and we will come back. Now the excuse is we don’t play hard or it’s not fun to watch .. maybe we should be the globetrotters to make it more fun..

I get it with the SEC Tv and fans don’t want to drive over 2 hours on a Tuesday night when tip is at 7. But I wonder what the excuses will be tomorrow afternoon with a 1pm tip-off..

It’s just embarrassing when state fans , coaches and players have to ask and encourage fans to show up and support this team that’s playing really good ball right now and battling for tourney bid .
Yet these same fans are the first ones to pile on and run to Twitter or message boards to bitch and complain with every loss.

And yes the game has changed , but it’s far from a bad product.

[Ari Gold]

I also think the fact we have a women?s team that is as good as they are also hurts attendance with the men. In order for the Hump to be what it was and needs to be we need those local Starkville fans to go to the games and I just don?t think they go as much as they did. The Starkville fans that used to be the backbone of support under Stansbury migrated to the women?s team when A) the seating situation under the Ninja happened and B) the hiring of Rick Ray and the bottoming out of our program coupled with the rise of the women. The TV situation did not hurt the women?s attendance. If they want the Hump to be packed again, do something to bring back the Starkville fans.


The women’s crowd and the men’s season ticket holders are vastly different .
Rick Ray has been gone for 5 years now .. it’s time to get over that
I do agree the Hump needs a face lift.. its 2020 not 2000... needs some type of suite or box seats .. and with the students and their seating. It could for sure be changed . But they need to show up regardless

[tcdog70]

The women?s crowd and the men?s season ticket holders are vastly different .
Rick Ray has been gone for 5 years now .. it?s time to get over that
I do agree the Hump needs a face lift.. its 2020 not 2000... needs some type of suite or box seats .. and with the students and their seating. It could for sure be changed . But they need to show up regardless

thanks Ari-for saying what needs to be said.. Some of our fans would not even like kentucky. Always mully-grubbing. Enjoy this team--it might be the best one since 96. I expect them to make a serious run.

[MCsMGs]

The “team doesn’t play hard “ is such bullshit.. it’s old and played out
So because we were a 5 seed last year and lost in round one that effects this year ?
The women’s game is far more exciting ? That’s pure opinion. If you like the womens game better than the men’s thats fine.

All the excuses back a few years ago was just win and we will come back. Now the excuse is we don’t play hard or it’s not fun to watch .. maybe we should be the globetrotters to make it more fun..

I get it with the SEC Tv and fans don’t want to drive over 2 hours on a Tuesday night when tip is at 7. But I wonder what the excuses will be tomorrow afternoon with a 1pm tip-off..

It’s just embarrassing when state fans , coaches and players have to ask and encourage fans to show up and support this team that’s playing really good ball right now and battling for tourney bid .
Yet these same fans are the first ones to pile on and run to Twitter or message boards to bitch and complain with every loss.

And yes the game has changed , but it’s far from a bad product.

Truth!