Miss. State Women's Basketball vs #1 South Carolina

[jdelta02]

Huge Game . ....

Miss. State Women
At #1 South Carolina tonight (6:00 pm, ESPN 2)

[mparkerfd20]

SC by 17

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't foresee it being a very good night for Vic's crew. USCe moves very well in transition and our transition D is.....lacking at the moment. We also seem to only be able to rely on 5-8 players and Staley is 10 deep. Maybe we pull the upset, but with it being on their home court, where we beat them last year to win the SEC Championship, it could be a long night.

[KOdawg1]

We just don't have a player like Vivians that we can give the ball to and say, "Go score." And outside of Bibby and AEH, we don't have shooters. We have drivers. So I expect USCe to crowd the paint and make it tough for us to get easy buckets.

[Cooterpoot]

I think we can keep it close but lose by 10 or so.

[Dawg2003]

We just don't have a player like Vivians that we can give the ball to and say, "Go score." And outside of Bibby and AEH, we don't have shooters. We have drivers. So I expect USCe to crowd the paint and make it tough for us to get easy buckets.

South Carolina has several players that can block our shots. I think Boston leads the conference in blocks. Just a bad matchup on paper.

[Coach34]

SC is a 10 1/2 point favorite. Lay the points.

[CadaverDawg]

SC big

[Dawg2003]

South Carolina was already beating Kentucky and Arkansas by 20 points in the 2nd Q, and we are about equal to those two teams. That being said, Kentucky and Arkansas have zero post play. We have some at least, but Carter is a finesse player. We are gonna have to dig deep and try to rebound well.

[Captain Falcon]

I won?t totally count out Vic, but I also don?t expect a win tonight.

[smootness]

I think we'll lose by 20+

[99jc]

SC is a 10 1/2 point favorite. Lay the points.

I laid 300 on SC and would not be upset if we won.

[Dawg2003]

We should be able to compete with them next year when Sidney Cooks becomes eligible. She's a 6'4" PF and former McDonald's AA. Her size will really help next year, and we can move Rickea to the 3.

[OLJWales]

We are struggling to keep up with these gals and it will be a tall order to pull of this road game. Our girls are playing hard but there seems to be a talent difference.

Games like this reminds me of how crucial it is to capitalize when you have a team as talented as we had that lost to ND. When you are MSU, you don't get those type of chances often.

My Heart goes out to Vic and his players though because I know they are fighting hard.

[KOdawg1]

1 pt game at the half

[BulldogDX55]

Down one at the half. Hot damn!

The girls are really starting to gel against the presumed one seed.

[RocketDawg]

The game doesn't seem that close, but we're only down by 1 at the half. They had a great 2nd quarter.

[LC Dawg]

Pretty damn impressive 2nd quarter by our women.

[dantheman4248]

Hell of a second quarter by the ladies. Not folding. Coming back and keeping it a game. That's what this young core needs. A great confidence boost. Build off of it and attack Boston on D anytime she is out there. If we can keep her in foul trouble then we can definitely take this game. She's a freshman, she will reach. I expect the strategy out of the break to be to attack her quickly until she picks up 3 and has to sit.

[R2Dawg]

These Dawgs got bite; don't ever count out Vic and the girls. If we could play layup D, we'd be winning.

[OLJWales]

I really love me some Coach Vic. He makes sure his ladies bring it. They are fighting their asses off. This is why they are more beloved by the fans than the guys. Time to step it up guys, there's plenty more love waiting for you !!

[Coach34]

We are a better team with Bibby on the bench and their big girl got her 2nd foul. We attacked the basket and looked good doing it

[dantheman4248]

We are a better team with Bibby on the bench and their big girl got her 2nd foul. We attacked the basket and looked good doing it

25 points in the 16 minutes Boston was on the court. 17 points in the 4 minutes she wasn't.

[R2Dawg]

Matharu, Matharu. We are way, way better with her on the floor.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Mathuru, 10 pt run. We need Bibby to be setting screens and working off of it.

[KOdawg1]

Matharu and Wiggins need to be on the court. Bibby and Danberry need to be on the bench. Danberry is trying to do too much. Much like Lamar Peters. We can win this, but we need to get their big girl in foul trouble

[Lord McBuckethead]

Home 17n cooking.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Danberry shot hit the rim.

[R2Dawg]

Let's go Dawgs; huge win in our grasp.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Hold the 17 up. Why did they have to review that? The replay gave them anther shot. Shit refs man.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Up 3 with 1 quarter to play.

[Political Hack]

Got a great chance to beat #1 on the road. That's a big time win they've needed. I think we're about to see them go on a big run.

[Coach34]

Helluva job by Vic thru 3 Q's. This team has stepped up tonight

[EdDawg]

Carter got her 2nd foul in the first half when two SC players ran into each other. The announcers were talking about how horrible the call was.

[dawgday166]

Helluva job by Vic thru 3 Q's. This team has stepped up tonight

You got that right.

[R2Dawg]

Carter got her 2nd foul in the first half when two SC players ran into each other. The announcers were talking about how horrible the call was.

Yep typical SC officiating BS. Look for some more down the stretch here, just watch.

[R2Dawg]

And here come the refs, right on cue.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Exactly. Wow. Gave Boston an and 1 for nothing

[ShotgunDawg]

Boston is YUGE

[KOdawg1]

Wiggins was on fire in the 2nd quarter. Where is she?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Down to 3 because we stopped attacking the basket. And they called 3 soft ass fouls in a row. Carter 17n flopping like a weak assh too.

[smootness]

Carter is not good.

[Coach34]

Gotta get Bibby off the floor

[msugolf]

Bibby is killing us

[ShotgunDawg]

Good heavens, I'm not seeing some of these fouls

[OLJWales]

OMG if we pull this m17er off. Damn. C'mon girls

[ShotgunDawg]

Where was the foul call on Young's shot?

Good lord this is uneven

[R2Dawg]

I can't stand these SC homer announcers. All SC all the time, even cheering for them.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Where is our Uconn transfer girl. We need someone to be able to hit a kick out.

[dantheman4248]

I just want it consistent. If cooks got an and-1... mingo young's should have been an and-1

[R2Dawg]

Where was the foul call on Young's shot?

Good lord this is uneven

Yep knocked her to floor, no call

[dawgday166]

Vic just dialed up a zone D.

[msugolf]

SMH Bibby

[Coach34]

Get Bibby off the floor

[ShotgunDawg]

Bibby is too slow for this level

[R2Dawg]

Bibby fouled on steal, no call. Refs will force them to win.

[ShotgunDawg]

Bibby fouled on steal, no call. Refs will force them to win.

It's been awful for the last 2 min or so

[ShotgunDawg]

Just a horrendous error on Bibby's part

[KOdawg1]

Danberry may have lost us this game. Not her best game.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good lord they are fouling

[ShotgunDawg]

And we go 1 on 1 ball hog

[OLJWales]

This team is showing grit whether we win or lose. We are playing hard and getting 17'd by the refs but we are fighting these bitches to the wire. Praise the Lord and Go Dogs!

[dantheman4248]

"bothered the shot"

as her hand swats nothing but elbow

[Lord McBuckethead]

Back court. Wasn't called. Wow.

[R2Dawg]

SC player pushed off on Mingo on inbounds pass, should have been foul on them and our ball.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Bout to say 9.8 sec

[Lord McBuckethead]

These announcers don't know shit.

[R2Dawg]

Back court. Wasn't called. Wow.

Yep agree; announcers defending saying no back court. Well her foot and ball was backcourt.

[R2Dawg]

Just got robbed 1.5seconds too

[smootness]

Yep agree; announcers defending saying no back court. Well her foot and ball was backcourt.

It's because there was no possession on the front side of the court first. It's the right call.

[OLJWales]

well 17 . Ladies fought their asses off though. I'm Proud of the way they fought.

[R2Dawg]

Well these girls proved they can play with anyone having played two teams that have been #1 down to one possession in each game both on road. Impressive.

[KOdawg1]

We choked.

[ShotgunDawg]

This basketball program can never close. Always lose when the game is on the line. Save UConn

[ShotgunDawg]

well 17 . Ladies fought their asses off though. I'm Proud of the way they fought.

No moral victories for this program

[ShotgunDawg]

We choked.

Vic is an elite coach, but his teams typically choke at the end.

I'll never get over how bad the national championship game vs Notre Dame was. Just a complete choke job

[Bothrops]

We weren't winning that game. The officiating was egregious, which is expected.

[Maroonthirteen]

Vic is an elite coach, but his teams typically choke at the end.

I'll never get over how bad the national championship game vs Notre Dame was. Just a complete choke job

Go cry about it

[dantheman4248]

Vic is an elite coach, but his teams typically choke at the end.

I'll never get over how bad the national championship game vs Notre Dame was. Just a complete choke job

Cant help when God's team trucks you on Easter. We're Mississippi State, we'll never get fouls called in our favor.

[smootness]

AWFUL inbound play to end it. You can't have only one player moving. That's on Vic. Danberry was great but let us down at the end.

[R2Dawg]

We weren't winning that game. The officiating was egregious, which is expected.

Yep, in SC, little chance. Hope SECT is not in Greenville again. If so just give them the trophy.

[Bothrops]

Cant help when God's team trucks you on Easter. We're Mississippi State, we'll never get fouls called in our favor.

Especially on the rowid

[EdDawg]

The lose sucks, but no one was expecting us to keep it close. The girls proved to themselves that they can play with anyone in the country. That is a big confidence boost for a young team knowing that they can beat anyone when they play their best.

[smootness]

We weren't winning that game. The officiating was egregious, which is expected.

Please. Officiating didn't cause Danberry to short circuit at the end or for us to keep turning it over. Make a good pass and shot at the end and we win.

[R2Dawg]

AWFUL inbound play to end it. You can't have only one player moving. That's on Vic. Danberry was great but let us down at the end.

Agree, why we had a short freshman who hasn't played in 4th quarter throwing ball in? Should have had a safe secondary option with Jackson or Carter.

[KOdawg1]

We had a good game plan and fought hard. Our zone completely threw them off. Idk why we didn't use it more. Danberry and Bibby played terrible. Bibby is too slow and Danberry just tries to do too much offensively. Xaria Wiggins and Matharu went off in stretches only to disappear. Why? Vic has to learn to roll with the hot hand. Mingo-Young needs to be our starting PG. Despite getting in foul trouble early, our bigs did alright. Rickea Jackson is the next Victoria Vivians, but she's still young. She also travels a lot which needs to stop. Proud of the way we fought #1 but I've never been a big moral victory guy. We can compete with the best. We can't beat them. Watch out next year and the year after that. One of those years will bring MSU its first national championship.

[dantheman4248]

Please. Officiating didn't cause Danberry to short circuit at the end or for us to keep turning it over. Make a good pass and shot at the end and we win.

We choked and officiating was bad. Not mutually exclusive things.

Should have driven more at Boston and got her out. Her rebounding killed us.

[smootness]

We choked and officiating was bad. Not mutually exclusive things.

Should have driven more at Boston and got her out. Her rebounding killed us.

I'm not really commenting on the officiating. Just saying that the whole 'the officials were never going to let us win that' is so ridiculous. We easily could have won.

All that said, super positive result for this team. South Carolina is also really young, but this was big for this team's confidence and belief in themselves. To do it on the road is huge.

[Dawg2003]

I thought we'd lose by 20, so at least we proved we belong. I'm mad we lost though.

[R2Dawg]

We had a good game plan and fought hard. Our zone completely threw them off. Idk why we didn't use it more. Danberry and Bibby played terrible. Bibby is too slow and Danberry just tries to do too much offensively. Xaria Wiggins and Matharu went off in stretches only to disappear. Why? Vic has to learn to roll with the hot hand. Mingo-Young needs to be our starting PG. Despite getting in foul trouble early, our bigs did alright. Rickea Jackson is the next Victoria Vivians, but she's still young. She also travels a lot which needs to stop. Proud of the way we fought #1 but I've never been a big moral victory guy. We can compete with the best. We can't beat them. Watch out next year and the year after that. One of those years will bring MSU its first national championship.

Agree, Mingo is a better PG than Taylor. Taylor really hurts us at times. Matharu has to get more minutes and maybe Wiggins too. I don't understand Hunter either. Vic has a lot of talent and I know they can't all play. Bibby is just our of sych with this team, maybe injury recovery too? We had some rhythm when Mingo came in point. Danberry is a warrior, she may not have played her best game but without her and we don't have a chance. RJ is good but just so much freshmen in her.

We are gonna be real good the next 3 years though.

[maroonmania]

Vic is an elite coach, but his teams typically choke at the end.

I'll never get over how bad the national championship game vs Notre Dame was. Just a complete choke job

Yep, the last 7 or 8 minutes of games against top competition is usually not pretty for us. What I will never get over is how we managed to get Victoria Vivians almost no shots in the final quarter in the NC game against Notre Dame. Apparently we were using her as a decoy.

[jdelta02]

National Championship runs with these 3

- Rickea Jackson
- JaMya Mingo-Young
- Aliyah Matharu

Also, Sidney Cooks expected eligible for next season

[Lord McBuckethead]

Good fight playing 8 against 5. SC got some easy ass calls.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Agree, Mingo is a better PG than Taylor. Taylor really hurts us at times. Matharu has to get more minutes and maybe Wiggins too. I don't understand Hunter either. Vic has a lot of talent and I know they can't all play. Bibby is just our of sych with this team, maybe injury recovery too? We had some rhythm when Mingo came in point. Danberry is a warrior, she may not have played her best game but without her and we don't have a chance. RJ is good but just so much freshmen in her.

We are gonna be real good the next 3 years though.

Absolutely. Need to get a more athletic 5 though.

[Fred Garvin]

We had a good game plan and fought hard. Our zone completely threw them off. Idk why we didn't use it more. Danberry and Bibby played terrible. Bibby is too slow and Danberry just tries to do too much offensively. Xaria Wiggins and Matharu went off in stretches only to disappear. Why? Vic has to learn to roll with the hot hand. Mingo-Young needs to be our starting PG. Despite getting in foul trouble early, our bigs did alright. Rickea Jackson is the next Victoria Vivians, but she's still young. She also travels a lot which needs to stop. Proud of the way we fought #1 but I've never been a big moral victory guy. We can compete with the best. We can't beat them. Watch out next year and the year after that. One of those years will bring MSU its first national championship.

Bibby led the team with 9 rebounds. How is that a terrible game?

[dawgday166]

Bibby led the team with 9 rebounds. How is that a terrible game?

She's lost confidence in her shot and her decision making is questionable at times. She had a wide open airball tonight. She does rebound well tho and did tonight.

[KOdawg1]

Starting five should be:

PG- Mingo-Young
SG- Danberry
F- Jackson
F- Wiggins
C- Carter

[KOdawg1]

Bibby led the team with 9 rebounds. How is that a terrible game?
She's slow and can't keep up with the speed against good SEC teams. She's a catch and shoot player on offense and that's about it. I love Bibby and I think she's a good player who can help this team. But she's not been the same player since the injury

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep, the last 7 or 8 minutes of games against top competition is usually not pretty for us. What I will never get over is how we managed to get Victoria Vivians almost no shots in the final quarter in the NC game against Notre Dame. Apparently we were using her as a decoy.

yeah, IDK.

He's a elite coach & I wouldn't trade him for anyone, but there is a trend of players going brain dead in crunch time vs good teams. Most errors not forced

[Bothrops]

Please. Officiating didn't cause Danberry to short circuit at the end or for us to keep turning it over. Make a good pass and shot at the end and we win.

To be in that situation in the first place was because of home team favor. But like I said, it's to be expected in this sport.

[notsofarawaydawg]

Great game ladies in a very hostile environment and a team with WAY much more talent that MSU has. Keep your heads up, learn from the loss and truck on down the road. You're getting better every game and some people just won't admit that. You were picked to lose by 10 or more so it just proves not a lot of people know shit about this team but Vic.

[Captain Falcon]

Great game ladies in a very hostile environment and a team with WAY much more talent that MSU has. Keep your heads up, learn from the loss and truck on down the road. You're getting better every game and some people just won't admit that. You were picked to lose by 10 or more so it just proves not a lot of people know shit about this team but Vic.

I don’t think they have just a ton more talent than we do. Boston is the only real difference between the two rosters, we don’t have anybody that can match her toe to toe right now. But our young guards are every bit as good as theirs. Jackson, Mingo-Young, and Matharu are all stars in the making.

[jdelta02]

Key players that need to be on the basketball court for Miss. State.......
- Mingo-Young
- Matharu
- Wiggins
South Carolina game could easily have been a blowout without these 3 on the court. Miss. State competes at a MUCH higher level with these players on the court. I have long been seeing this. Remember, Coach Schaefer put Wiggins and Mingo-Young in down the stretch against Stanford, nearly came all the way back from being down fairly big in that game. Also, the next game against West Virginia, coach basically sat these players (very limited minutes)....lost that game as well.

Also, more minutes at center for Yemiyah Morris....helps strengthen that position.

[fader2103]

We choked? We didn't choke against the Number 1 team in the nation. They just outplayed us at the end of the game, with a little officiating help throughout the game.

We choked in the national title game against Notre Dame? We would of won that game if it wasn't for an amazing lucky shot.

Bibby is slow? She is coming off a horrible knee injury.

Damn some of ya'll complain about everything.

[AROB44]

We choked? We didn't choke against the Number 1 team in the nation. They just outplayed us at the end of the game, with a little officiating help throughout the game.

We choked in the national title game against Notre Dame? We would of won that game if it wasn't for an amazing lucky shot.

Bibby is slow? She is coming off a horrible knee injury.

Damn some of ya'll complain about everything.

Unfortunately, that's the nature of this board. Lots of bitching and moaning. Lots of expert coaches (in every sport) on here as well.

[smootness]

We choked in the national title game against Notre Dame? We would of won that game if it wasn't for an amazing lucky shot.

I'll agree with most of your post, but I do think it's fair to say we choked that game away. I mean, I don't really like using the word 'choke' in most cases fans will use it, and it may not be entirely accurate for that game, but using it the way a lot of fans do, we really did.

From the middle of Q1 through the middle of Q3, we thoroughly outplayed them and had a 15-point lead at that point. We had only given up 25 points in the first 24 minutes of that game. In the last 16 minutes, we gave up 36 points and let them tie it up by the end of the 3rd quarter. Even then, we still built back up to a 5-point lead with 2 minutes to play and then didn't score at all in the last 2 minutes of the game. McCowan missed a 4-footer that would have given us a 4-point lead with just over a minute left, and then missed an absolutely point-blank layup with the game tied with under 30 seconds left. Then we still got the ball back with 10 seconds left in a tie game and William threw it away and allowed them to take that last-second shot. It was in a tie game, too, we wouldn't have won if it missed, it would have gone to OT.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying we choked that game away.

[KentuckyDawg13]

Vic putting Matharu to inbound the last play was a head-scratcher. Don't understand that at all, she just came off the bench too. Matharu proved she's a scorer as she single-handedly brought MSU back in the game.

And yes, MSU women choked. They had it, then they lost it. Very proud of the effort, but that ending sucked.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll agree with most of your post, but I do think it's fair to say we choked that game away. I mean, I don't really like using the word 'choke' in most cases fans will use it, and it may not be entirely accurate for that game, but using it the way a lot of fans do, we really did.

From the middle of Q1 through the middle of Q3, we thoroughly outplayed them and had a 15-point lead at that point. We had only given up 25 points in the first 24 minutes of that game. In the last 16 minutes, we gave up 36 points and let them tie it up by the end of the 3rd quarter. Even then, we still built back up to a 5-point lead with 2 minutes to play and then didn't score at all in the last 2 minutes of the game. McCowan missed a 4-footer that would have given us a 4-point lead with just over a minute left, and then missed an absolutely point-blank layup with the game tied with under 30 seconds left. Then we still got the ball back with 10 seconds left in a tie game and William threw it away and allowed them to take that last-second shot. It was in a tie game, too, we wouldn't have won if it missed, it would have gone to OT.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying we choked that game away.


We choked in that one. We were up big with Holmes and Danberry dogging Young and Agumgfdajgfdg, or however you spell it, and we took them out to put in Schaefer and William. I still have zero clue why he did that. That was the first domino to fall in a litany of bad moves in the last 10-12 minutes of that game. That coupled with Vivians jacking heatcheck 3's and not driving to goal and McGowan missing point blank 2 footers. I just don't believe there's a way you can look at that and say we didn't choke. Heck Schaefer basically admitted that in the postgame that night.

Regarding last night: I was very surprised and impressed with how we played. Vic made a great adjustment midway through the second quarter and USCe had no answer for it. We played really bad in the last 6 minutes. That was coupled with some really bad officiating. We were not ready for the last out of bounds play. I don't know whether Vic didn't think they'd foul or thought they'd foul earlier, but we don't need a True freshman throwing the ball away from the goal to another true freshman in that situation. Overall though, very impressed with how they played. I thought we'd get beat by 15+