People Need to Understand Something About Leach

[ShotgunDawg]

This kind of piggy backs off Cadaver's outstanding post below.

Lincoln Riley
Ruffin McNeil
Dana Holgerson
Mark Mangino
Seth Litrell
Dino Babers
Dave Aranda
Sonny Dykes
Art Briles
Kevin Sumlin
Kingsbury


Point is, fellas....he's going to hire COACHES not crooters.

He's going to field a staff of the best Xs and Os COACHES he can find.

We'll see if he can recruit enough to win BIG at MSU but with high high level Xs and Os coaches and the most talent he's ever coached, the man is going to win 8-9 games a year at MSU when he gets this thing the way he likes it.

And by then, all these Xs and Os guys will know the Deep South better.

Relax. He knows what he's going.

Ole Miss may out recruit us by a few spots but Leach has shown the ability to run circles around those crooters his entire career.

Your coaching tree just simply can't be what his is by always hiring crooters. Those guys don't advance in the Industry.

Again, he's going to win 8 or 9+ a year soon. Relax.

[OLJWales]

Good Points Gun. Good coaching, quality wins while putting players in the league will make smart crootin' easier. You can't simply "network" your way to success when building a program like State. We already have some built in offensive crootin' advantages with Leach's name alone.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good Points Gun. Good coaching, quality wins while putting players in the league will make smart crootin' easier. You can't simply "network" your way to success when building a program like State. We already have some built in offensive crootin' advantages with Leach's name alone.

These new guys won't be outsiders for long. Always take the Xs and Os guys. And let's not forget that we still have Hughes.

[KB21]

These new guys won't be outsiders for long. Always take the Xs and Os guys. And let's not forget that we still have Hughes.

Yep. He wants coaches first. He has a saying that he uses a lot. “You are either coaching it, or you are allowing it.” He’s not going to hire a coach who can connect with the players from a recruiting standpoint but can’t get those players to play at a high level with great technique and intensity.

Also, when Mike first made his staff at Texas Tech, he hired Art Briles, who was a Texas high school coach, because he felt he needed someone that knew Texas on his staff. He later said, after the fact, that he wouldn’t do that again, because the key to recruiting is persistence. He also says in his book Swing Your Sword that he doesn’t like to keep coaches from the previous staff. There is a very good chance that the biggest reason Tony Hughes is being kept is because he has a relationship with Hal Mumme.

[HoopsDawg]

The off the field staff are so key in recruiting nowadays.

Leach has it figured out. Right down to hiring a "chief of staff" to handle all the BS most coaches have to do, but Leach doesn't want to do.

I don't know if this DC will work out, but on paper I like it. Love that it's not some retread and it's obvious some numbers were crunched.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep. He wants coaches first. He has a saying that he uses a lot. ?You are either coaching it, or you are allowing it.? He?s not going to hire a coach who can connect with the players from a recruiting standpoint but can?t get those players to play at a high level with great technique and intensity.

Also, when Mike first made his staff at Texas Tech, he hired Art Briles, who was a Texas high school coach, because he felt he needed someone that knew Texas on his staff. He later said, after the fact, that he wouldn?t do that again, because the key to recruiting is persistence. He also says in his book Swing Your Sword that he doesn?t like to keep coaches from the previous staff. There is a very good chance that the biggest reason Tony Hughes is being kept is because he has a relationship with Hal Mumme.

Yup. the blue print has already been written & anyone that would've have taken the time to research first would've known this.

Leach is different so how can he get full buy in with retained coaches?

To change the culture, you've got to change everything. Stinks for some of these coaches but it is what it is.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

How did that Cotton bowl go while he was at Texas Tech? He got beat by a team that had better recruiters. Now he will be facing that nearly every single week

[ShotgunDawg]

How did that Cotton bowl go while he was at Texas Tech? He got beat by a team that had better recruiters. Now he will be facing that nearly every single week

Good lord. Are we really talking about one game? And a game in which the opponent had a month to prepare?

Good heavens, if you are using that to make any sort of statement you're an absolute idiot

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Good lord. Are we really talking about one game? And a game in which the opponent had a month to prepare?

Good heavens, if you are using that to make any sort of statement you're an absolute idiot
The point is winning with lesser talent only gets you so far. As I said it won?t be about one game he will face that every week. He is in for a rude awakening if he thinks he can win in the SEC without putting more emphasis on recruiting. Anyone that thinks he can...is an idiot

[HoopsDawg]

The point is winning with lesser talent only gets you so far. He is in for a rude awakening if he thinks he can win in the SEC without putting more emphasis on recruiting. Anyone that thinks he can...is an idiot

we are in the Top 25% in FBS in facilities and budget. We are going to recruit like we always do, and that's around 25. We will never have an 85 man roster, like Bama or LSU but with the right coaching we can beat most teams and be competitive with the big boys.

But the point is, with our off the field staff, Tony Hughes, Leach's reputation, and the talent within 300 miles of Starkville, we will be around 25th in recruiting. And that's more talent than Leach has ever had.

[ShotgunDawg]

The point is winning with lesser talent only gets you so far. As I said it won?t be about one game he will face that every week. He is in for a rude awakening if he thinks he can win in the SEC without putting more emphasis on recruiting. Anyone that thinks he can...is an idiot

You point is true, but your example was ridiculous.

yes, lesser talent will only get you so far, but lack of Xs & Os will get you nowhere & Kiffin has never won with less than his competition.

Who knows how good these guys will recruit, but I can guarantee you that in 2 years, the recruiters won't be a bit better at Xs & Os & our new coaches will be more familiar with the region & recruiting ground

[Jarius]

The point is winning with lesser talent only gets you so far. As I said it won?t be about one game he will face that every week. He is in for a rude awakening if he thinks he can win in the SEC without putting more emphasis on recruiting. Anyone that thinks he can...is an idiot

He wasn't not getting recruits in Washington state and Texas tech because he didn't put forth effort. He was recruiting to low level P5 shit holes that no one recruits well to. He's going to recruit to state the same way every other coach this century has recruited. Between 20 and 30. This idea that we can hire any person on the planet and recruit with people like LSU and alabama and A&M is fantasy land. We have to recruit in the 20s and do something different (like Leach does) to have any shot to make any noise. Joe Moorhead worked his ass off in recruiting and recruited at the exact same level Dan Mullen recruited. We are what we are in recruiting. We have to find a different way to beat people.

[ShotgunDawg]

He wasn't not getting recruits in Washington state and Texas tech because he didn't put forth effort. He was recruiting to low level P5 shit holes that no one recruits well to. He's going to recruit to state the same way every other coach this century has recruited. Between 20 and 30. This idea that we can hire any person on the planet and recruit with people like LSU and alabama and A&M is fantasy land. We have to recruit in the 20s and do something different (like Leach does) to have any shot to make any noise. Joe Moorhead worked his ass off in recruiting and recruited at the exact same level Dan Mullen recruited. We are what we are in recruiting. We have to find a different way to beat people.

We are what we are in recruiting unless we win more or cheat.

Leach gives us legit chance at winning more & he may stay due to his age

[HaggardDawg]

Yep. He wants coaches first. He has a saying that he uses a lot. “You are either coaching it, or you are allowing it.” He’s not going to hire a coach who can connect with the players from a recruiting standpoint but can’t get those players to play at a high level with great technique and intensity.

Also, when Mike first made his staff at Texas Tech, he hired Art Briles, who was a Texas high school coach, because he felt he needed someone that knew Texas on his staff. He later said, after the fact, that he wouldn’t do that again, because the key to recruiting is persistence. He also says in his book Swing Your Sword that he doesn’t like to keep coaches from the previous staff. There is a very good chance that the biggest reason Tony Hughes is being kept is because he has a relationship with Hal Mumme.

And because tony is a damn good coach. Might as well bring Melvin back too. We had done damn good corners in his tenure.

[MetEdDawg]

Hiring recruiters first over true coaches is probably in the long run actually worse for our program. As long as we are deficient in funding compared to the teams we compete against, we will never consistently beat them for recruits. Period.

So you go out and hire people that know your system and how to exploit other teams weaknesses. You hire people that know how to motivate young people and put them in positions to be successful. That's how a program like ours builds a potential long term success. We have to successful BEFORE we start recruiting at a high level. We will never recruit success. So we need coaches that can win and know how to coach first.

[Jarius]

We are what we are in recruiting unless we win more or cheat.

Leach gives us legit chance at winning more & he may stay due to his age

We have to do what clemson did to have any shot at not getting Ole Miss'd. I know we all have eye roll syndrome with the ncaa regarding ole miss after they got away with what they were doing but with the staff they just put together they may get the death penalty in a few years. They are absolutely all in and the rest of the sec 100 % is not going to let them start buying everyone again without turning them in. They are too stupid to realize that we aren't the people that they have to worry about with the NCAA.

[HoopsDawg]

Hiring recruiters first over true coaches is probably in the long run actually worse for our program. As long as we are deficient in funding compared to the teams we compete against, we will never consistently beat them for recruits. Period.

So you go out and hire people that know your system and how to exploit other teams weaknesses. You hire people that know how to motivate young people and put them in positions to be successful. That's how a program like ours builds a potential long term success. We have to successful BEFORE we start recruiting at a high level. We will never recruit success. So we need coaches that can win and know how to coach first.

I also think we need to redshirt as much as possible unless we just absolutely can't.

[ShotgunDawg]

Coaches who bring coaches with them normally do better.

When it comes to coaching & evaluation, our coaches are WAAAAYYYY more on the same page than the Ole Miss staff. They'll be dysfunctional like Moorhead's staff

[ckDOG]

I think we are far from the point to throw in the towel on a Leach staff being able to bring in talent. Starkville is in the middle of nowhere for the most part, but if there are any P5 schools in the country that are more geographically disadvantaged than we are, Leach has coached at 2 of them. The combined population base in a 500km radius around those two cities is about the same as our individual radius. Plus, our population has more per capita football talent.

Give Leach some time on crootin. I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised.