DC Search Update?

[Spiderman]

We can offer more money and an opportunity to coach in the SEC. I mean, we've been able to draw elite DC's going back to at least the 1990's. We can offer pretty close to top dollar now. I don't think UNC would outbid us if it came down to it.

If that were all there was to it, Newberry be here.

Again, why, other than money, would he come?

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Look like I was wrong & some things went left.

That?s one reason I value your posts. People who stand up and admit when they missed one are generally the ones with the best and most trustworthy info.

[deadheaddawg]

Didn't help with Newberry

wow

Just wow

[Bothrops]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

[Dogbone]

Kind of hoping the Pirate has a back up plan ready when things like this happen. Maybe he's been working on that today. I just think we will all be surprised and happy when the announcement is made. Fingers crossed!

[Todd4State]

If that were all there was to it, Newberry be here.

Again, why, other than money, would he come?

Not necessarily. It depends on what the candidate values. I can understand Newberry wanting to bring in people he is comfortable with. A good working relationship is important. He may be playing the game like Napier. He probably made a poor financial decision.

As I said- it's a more prestigious league. It's more pay and upward mobility. That can lead to a head coaching job. And Leach has a good history of producing head coaches.

Croom was able to get Ellis Johnson. Joe got Bob Shoop. Dan landed Manny, Geoff, and Grantham despite being a known ass and hard to work for. Why can't we get Bateman?

[RocketDawg]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

It's certainly not like living in an area with close to 7M, and even larger when Baltimore is added in. If he's used to living in a large city, Starkville would be a culture shock. After googling him, he comes from Kennesaw State (a similar sized metro as Washington), but also coached at Sewanee, definitely a rural area.

He also might be used to coaching highly disciplined players at the Academy and doesn't want to give that up.

[Todd4State]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

Not an issue in today's society with millionaire coaches and today's technology. Most head coaches have second homes nowadays.

[Irondawg]

It certainly takes something you really deem valuable to turn down $400k or more of salary

[NCDawg]

This. Pruitt had them playing hard and that comeback bowl win showed how far they had come from a team that earlier in the season would've packed it in after being down like that. He appears to have changed the culture of that program. They gave bama a tough game too.

I agree. A lot of people thought Tennessee was a dumpster fire when they lost to Georgia State to begin the season. Pruitt is a good coach, demands discipline, and got Tennessee on the right path. They had a good recruiting year this year, also. If we had hired Pruitt instead of Moorhead, we would have been better off. Guess things turned out good for us, however, since now we have Leach.

[Bothrops]

Not an issue in today's society with millionaire coaches and today's technology. Most head coaches have second homes nowadays.

That last sentence may be true, but I disagree, I think it's a problem for us.

[RocketDawg]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

He's not all that young. Graduated Baylor in 1998, so assuming he was 21 then makes him 44 now.

https://navysports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/brian-newberry/645

[dawgday166]

It certainly takes something you really deem valuable to turn down $400k or more of salary

Maybe we didn't offer that much more than he's making now. Being an up-and-comer I doubt we offer then over $1M. Probably more like $750K at best.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Clayton White - WKU
David Reese - UAB
Scottie Hazelton - Kansas St
Jay Bateman - UNC

Some names to remember

I like Hazelton and Bateman would be ok. But I know nothing about the other two. Im pretty disappointed if this is the list. We have more money than we have ever had to get a legit LEGIT staff and probably the biggest DC hire that I can ever remember this is the list. Kinda bummed here. Go get a proven dawg to run the defense make somebody say no. Im hoping this has already happened and I dont mean it being just Newberry either.

Im praying for Hazelton I know he could do it

[BuckyIsAB****]

Only if he hires the wrong guy. Whether or not you've heard of him is meaningless.

Personally, I think once DCs are competent, there is very little difference between them.

Defense above all else is decided by talent & speed. Offense is where I care much more about hiring.

Mullen had a different DC almost every year at MSU & he still won

If that was all it was you could coach it. Nobody is playing the south panola delta stack defense and saying sic em. Not in this league you'd better get somebody who can coach

[BuckyIsAB****]

You can sugar coat it all you want, and no I'm not panicking, but I'm not thrilled with the way this is going. WSU's defensive guys have done nothing that have warranted coaching in the SEC. They may be good coaches, but anyone on a staff that finished 11th in the Pac12 in total defense, 286 passing yards, 170 rushing yards, and 31 points a game should not be promoted to the SEC. I don't care if there was a talent gap or if they fired the DC mid-way through the year. SEC ready coaches don't finish in the bottom of weak defensive conference. I wish Leach would've hired a DC and let him assemble the staff. If I'm a DC and I see that half of my defensive staff is already assembled for me with guys from the shittiest defense in the Pac12, I'm saying thanks but no thanks.

I agree. I like Darcel McBath he is a good coach and was a great player at TTU. He will be a good one here if he is coming like the word is. But the rest Im not big on at all. This is the first thing I've had some worries about since we hired Leach

[bobcat91]

This hand wringing is laughable. No one had even heard of Newberry until 5 or so days ago and now folks are acting like we just missed out on a cant miss DC.

[defiantdog]

This hand wringing is laughable. No one had even heard of Newberry until 5 or so days ago and now folks are acting like we just missed out on a cant miss DC.
Newberry = Napier

[msstate7]

This hand wringing is laughable. No one had even heard of Newberry until 5 or so days ago and now folks are acting like we just missed out on a cant miss DC.

Well it's obvious we missed on at least 1 target now. Being turned down by navy's DC isn't great optics at the very least. Not saying it's time to panic, but concern is more than fair

[Captain Falcon]

I agree. I like Darcel McBath he is a good coach and was a great player at TTU. He will be a good one here if he is coming like the word is. But the rest Im not big on at all. This is the first thing I've had some worries about since we hired Leach

The rest? It’s McBath and one other guy. And the other guy (Phelps) has been a Power 5 DL coach for nine years. He’s got a good resume.

I don’t think it’s fair to evaluate the staff as a whole until it’s finished, but I don’t have a problem with either of the WSU guys he is bringing so far. Don’t think either or those guys are bad coaches at all. Now I would feel differently if the last two hires are both WSU guys, but that seems really unlikely.

[OLJWales]

The # 1 thing that I've been concerned with is the S&C Department. THAT will make the difference in what we are gonna see in 2020. The most important transition is afoot. Lets all be glad.

[Captain Falcon]

Well it's obvious we missed on at least 1 target now. Being turned down by navy's DC isn't great optics at the very least. Not saying it's time to panic, but concern is more than fair

We got turned down by ULL’s head coach and an NFL assistant with virtually no college experience and still ended up with a sitting Power 5 head coach. I’m not worried about optics or any concerns until we know who the hire is.

[dawgday166]

Well it's obvious we missed on at least 1 target now. Being turned down by navy's DC isn't great optics at the very least. Not saying it's time to panic, but concern is more than fair

Didn't realize you was an "optics" guy ** Thought you was a stats guy

[msstate7]

Didn't realize you was an "optics" guy ** Thought you was a stats guy

I'm multi-faceted

[msstate7]

We got turned down by ULL’s head coach and an NFL assistant with virtually no college experience and still ended up with a sitting Power 5 head coach. I’m not worried about optics or any concerns until we know who the hire is.

Fair enough. Just remember whoever it is now, he wasn't our HC's first choice. Doesn't mean the DC is less or a DC or that he can't be successful though

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Fair enough. Just remember whoever it is now, he wasn't our HC's first choice. Doesn't mean the DC is less or a DC or that he can't be successful though

or second right? Weren't we after Ryan Walters?

[Irondawg]

So if you are throwing $1m at someone who would you throw it at?

Hazleton, Bateman, someone else?

[GreenheadDawg]

You can sugar coat it all you want, and no I'm not panicking, but I'm not thrilled with the way this is going. WSU's defensive guys have done nothing that have warranted coaching in the SEC. They may be good coaches, but anyone on a staff that finished 11th in the Pac12 in total defense, 286 passing yards, 170 rushing yards, and 31 points a game should not be promoted to the SEC. I don't care if there was a talent gap or if they fired the DC mid-way through the year. SEC ready coaches don't finish in the bottom of weak defensive conference. I wish Leach would've hired a DC and let him assemble the staff. If I'm a DC and I see that half of my defensive staff is already assembled for me with guys from the shittiest defense in the Pac12, I'm saying thanks but no thanks.

Yeah I agree. I was really hoping that Leach would understand you can't just outscore people in the SEC. Especially not at MS state. I'm pretty concerned at this point that he's doesn't seem to be putting a lot of stock in defense and recruiting, which doesn't set up well for success. Ive lost my erection after the Leach hire.

[ShotgunDawg]

So if you are throwing $1m at someone who would you throw it at?

Hazleton, Bateman, someone else?

The one that knows how to scheme against the passing game.

Football has changed over the past 5 years or so. There are many famous DCs that simply wouldn't be all that effective against today's offenses as their defenses were designed to stop the run.

You definitely have to control the running game, but I'd love for Bama & LSU to shorten the game & run on us.

[dawgday166]

I'm multi-faceted

Renaissance man **

[dawgday166]

The one that knows how to scheme against the passing game.

Football has changed over the past 5 years or so. There are many famous DCs that simply wouldn't be all that effective against today's offenses as their defenses were designed to stop the run.

You definitely have to control the running game, but I'd love for Bama & LSU to shorten the game & run on us.

I think that may be why this is taking so long. He wants to find someone who could cause issues for his offense thus cause issues for the new Bama & LSU offenses. There just ain't a ton of those available.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The # 1 thing that I've been concerned with is the S&C Department. THAT will make the difference in what we are gonna see in 2020. The most important transition is afoot. Lets all be glad.

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

[dawgday166]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

The new S&C coach actually made them wear T shirts and shorts outside?? I like it.

[HailStateSZN19]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

I saw Banks tweet that he liked what he heard from the S&C program this morning so I’m assuming that’s what he was talking about. I like it!! Kick their asses and get em in SEC shape!

[BuckyIsAB****]

The new S&C coach actually made them wear T shirts and shorts outside?? I like it.

Brown is a badass. Leach knows what it takes to compete and it starts in January. He is a big S&C guy

[maroonmania]

I think the Newberry deal was about living location honestly. These younger coaches and families dont want to be in rural MS when they have a choice.

Well that just sounds dumb. Newberry needed to interview in Key West and on campus before he could figure out he didn't want to live in rural MS? Can he not look at a map and see where Starkville is located? If that was the reason, seems he could have told Leach that right off the bat before wasting everyone's time.

[maroonmania]

The rest? It?s McBath and one other guy. And the other guy (Phelps) has been a Power 5 DL coach for nine years. He?s got a good resume.

I don?t think it?s fair to evaluate the staff as a whole until it?s finished, but I don?t have a problem with either of the WSU guys he is bringing so far. Don?t think either or those guys are bad coaches at all. Now I would feel differently if the last two hires are both WSU guys, but that seems really unlikely.

Better hope not, because as of today every position filled that I know of is either a WSU bring along guy or Tony Hughes. We haven't hired anyone else that I know of and there are maybe 2 positions to fill (DC and LB coach).

[BuckyIsAB****]

Better hope not, because as of today every position filled that I know of is either a WSU bring along guy or Tony Hughes. We haven't hired anyone else that I know of and there are maybe 2 positions to fill (DC and LB coach).

I think this may spook some of the big dawgs off. But Leach's coaching tree speaks for itself. He knows what he is doing

[OLJWales]

Quick dumbass question for those who are aware of what's happening these days in Vegas.

What type of grocery options are there in Vegas for fresh seafood and shit? Nothing but frozen shit at Walmart?

Also, the casino in Philly, Silver Star. Do they still have that 4 star restaurant that allows unadulterated gluttony in seafood consumption? top notch shit and such? I did pay those guys a visit back in the late 90's and it was 1st rate.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah I agree. I was really hoping that Leach would understand you can't just outscore people in the SEC. Especially not at MS state. I'm pretty concerned at this point that he's doesn't seem to be putting a lot of stock in defense and recruiting, which doesn't set up well for success. Ive lost my erection after the Leach hire.

What? He and the staff have been hitting the trail, meeting recruits and commits, extending a lot of offers...they are putting a lot of stock in recruiting.

[Mjoelner34]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

Then they would have really hated playing baseball for the IB. I remember during pre-game warmups for one of the early season games, our guys were on the field practicing taking leads and diving back to the base and were kicking up water when they would dive and it was like 37 degrees out there. I've always wondered what was going through the other team's mind as they were bundled up in their dugout. I'm betting it was "We're about to get our asses kicked by these crazy mo-fos!"

[OneWhoWas]

I agree. I like Darcel McBath he is a good coach and was a great player at TTU. He will be a good one here if he is coming like the word is. But the rest Im not big on at all. This is the first thing I've had some worries about since we hired Leach

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/former-washington-state-qb-claims-feud-between-tracy-claeys-darcel-mcbath-led-to-dcs-resignation/


Halliday, still well-connected within the Cougars football program, said on a podcast episode that was published Tuesday. "They were at each other's throat like every day and after the UCLA game, Darcel, in the middle of practice, was just questioning everything Claeys was doing. So finally Claeys said, 'If you don't like the way I'm running things, I'll (expletive) leave.' Claeys called him on everyone's bluff and nothing changed."

[HoopsDawg]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/former-washington-state-qb-claims-feud-between-tracy-claeys-darcel-mcbath-led-to-dcs-resignation/

This ain't good....at all. Just don't understand why Leach wouldn't take the assistant pool and go with a fresh start on D. At least hire the DC first!! Other than keeping Hughes of course.

[bobcat91]

This ain't good....at all. Just don't understand why Leach wouldn't take the assistant pool and go with a fresh start on D. At least hire the DC first!! Other than keeping Hughes of course.

Or you have a disgruntled player talking crap. The DC was fired for sucking, not fights with other coaches. He gave up a 30 point lead and lost to UCLA by letting them score 67. Not buying the other crap

[Really Clark?]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/former-washington-state-qb-claims-feud-between-tracy-claeys-darcel-mcbath-led-to-dcs-resignation/

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

[Commercecomet24]

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

Yeah watching how bad the WSU defense was this year you can see how one might question the DCs plans and execution.

Kinda sound like the JoMo of DC's lol

[Todd4State]

Well we started workouts this morning and from all accounts it was a wake up call for a lot of them. T shirts and shorts sucked at 20 degrees this morning

That's payback for me going to the Music City Bowl and having to watch that "effort" from the team.

I feel like I'm even with them now.

[Todd4State]

That last sentence may be true, but I disagree, I think it's a problem for us.

Well Starkville isn't that bad honestly first of all. The reputation of Starkville as a college town is growing and it keeps getting better and better. I'm not sure what all we would do for a DC but a housing allowance and use of a private plane probably isn't out of the question if we feel like the guy is good enough to warrant it. I would imagine that a majority of the head coaches in the SEC either have a vacation home or just work in whatever college town they are employed in. As much as coordinators are starting to get paid it's only a matter of time before it's the same for them too.


Well it's obvious we missed on at least 1 target now. Being turned down by navy's DC isn't great optics at the very least. Not saying it's time to panic, but concern is more than fair

We don't need to worry about "optics". We need to worry about getting the best coach here. What did the "optics" look like when Napier and Judge turned us down....and then what are the "optics" now that we have hired Leach? Worrying about optics is how programs end up like Ole Miss.

Still plenty of good DC options out there. If a guy turns us down I'm not worried about it because I would rather have someone here that wants to be here and is OK with the set-up rather than have someone that doesn't fit or isn't happy. That applies beyond football when you're talking about jobs. Napier is a good example- I think now that we have kind of vetted out the process and can look back and how everything went down most are pretty happy with Leach and to me it sounds like Napier wasn't the best fit for us. Most likely would have ended up like Dan Mullen where we have a coach that would look to leave as soon as he had any kind of success here. Another example that comes to mind is Croom. I remember hearing that LT basically had to beg him to take our job and I believe Croom's daughter talked him into taking our job. The result was a guy that didn't really want to be here and looked down on us when compared to Alabama which automatically limited our ceiling because the buy in wasn't there at the head coaching level. That's what can happen with a bad fit.

It sounds to me like Newberry just wasn't a good fit for both. Doesn't make him bad- just means he doesn't fit. Honestly it's a little risky as far as chemistry to bring in a bunch of Leach guys and then a bunch of Newberry guys. Could have very well become offense vs defense sort of like the Bears had with Mike Ditka and Buddy Ryan. I know that worked out in 1985 but it's a recipe for division which usually doesn't work out.

Personally I would bring in Bateman because IMO he's the best fit for us. If that doesn't work out I ask Rocky Long to come in which I think will work at least short term because of his age but he also has head coaching experience and I think if he's given autonomy like Leach would do he would be very good here.

The other thing to remember here as far as optics go- Leach is obviously going to handle most of this from Key West. We're probably talking to people that our insiders have no clue about. They can't just show up to Harvey's and oh look there's Jay Bateman or whoever. The other thing is after the Egg Bowl Cohen has obviously put things on lock down as far as info getting out. The Napier stuff getting out created a lot of ill will when Moorhead was retained after the Egg Bowl. And may have interfered down the line as well. And then the media has been basically pretty limited since Horka's hit piece on Michael Story in August. In other words there's probably not a lot of info getting out right now. I'm guessing we'll hire someone in about a week or so though. I'll just have to endure the meltdown in the meantime- heck, we had people upset that our head coaching search lasted five days or whatever it was because Cohen "didn't have someone in place ready to go". Should be fun.**

[Todd4State]

And yet the DL coach Phelps, who coached under Claeys for years at Minn, has no problem staying with this staff including McBath and coming here. Word is the whole staff was having issues with his complex strategies for games and questioning him. They believed they needed to simplify the scheme and have players attacking more.

Leach was going to have to find a new DC either way. I'm haven't heard if Roc Bellantoni is going to be on staff yet? I wonder if he wants the DC job and Leach wants someone else.

[Walkerhill]

McBath may be one of the reasons we can't get a DC to commit to us.
Word on the street at WSU was that he doesn't play well with others.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/former-washington-state-qb-claims-feud-between-tracy-claeys-darcel-mcbath-led-to-dcs-resignation/
Three things:
1) This interview was refuted by others, including staff and former players. After scoring 63 and losing, the coaches should be figuring it out intensely, but other reports denied any personal or abnormal bickering.

2) Connor Halliday had been out of the program for 5 years and has a history of me-first attention seeking interviews. Grain of salt is needed.

3) Tracy Claes dropped down to position coach at his next stop at UVA. If a DC position had been on offer anywhere, gotta assume he would have taken it. That does not speak to unfair treatment at WSU.

We should be careful as State fans reading too much into these types of sound bit s with the full story, especially when it is readily available.

[Walkerhill]

I think that may be why this is taking so long. He wants to find someone who could cause issues for his offense thus cause issues for the new Bama & LSU offenses. There just ain't a ton of those available.

Seems like that guy might be Rocky Long if that is what he is looking for.

How do you think State fans would react to that hire? The first take optics might be that we missed and settled (that may be the perception on any hire that is not a household name now after the Newberry saga). But, on the other hand, the 3-3-5 was ahead of its time in many ways and the defense popularized by Joe Lee Dunn coming home 20 years later is an attractive prospect. I wonder if he might even be a candidate for an emeritus type consultant role off the field if Long were the pick.

[smootness]

I like Hazelton and Bateman would be ok. But I know nothing about the other two. Im pretty disappointed if this is the list. We have more money than we have ever had to get a legit LEGIT staff and probably the biggest DC hire that I can ever remember this is the list. Kinda bummed here. Go get a proven dawg to run the defense make somebody say no. Im hoping this has already happened and I dont mean it being just Newberry either.

Im praying for Hazelton I know he could do it

So then give us the list of names you would be satisfied with.

[smootness]

Yeah I agree. I was really hoping that Leach would understand you can't just outscore people in the SEC. Especially not at MS state. I'm pretty concerned at this point that he's doesn't seem to be putting a lot of stock in defense and recruiting, which doesn't set up well for success. Ive lost my erection after the Leach hire.

So you're concerned he isn't putting much stock in defense because it's taking longer than you would like?

If anything, that indicates a thorough process, one that is being taken seriously. If we just immediately brought someone in, that might indicate it wasn't being taken as seriously. It wouldn't lead to this insane pout fest from the fanbase, but it wouldn't necessarily indicate a better process.

And LOL on the people upset that he's bringing a couple guys from WSU. Sure, those guys were on a staff that didn't produce a very good defense this year. They were also on the staff that produced maybe the best defense Leach has ever had that helped Washington freaking State finish in the top 10.

[HailStateSZN19]

What about Tim DeRuyter at Cal? What's opinions on him?

Got the PAC12 connection to Leach. He's had some solid defenses with a couple of mediocre ones mixed in but he's got tons of DC experience plus some SEC experience. But he already makes $800k though & he's from California.

At Cal the last 3 years: 2019= 32nd scoring defense (21.9 PPG), 2018= 22nd scoring defense (20.1 PPG), 2017= 78th scoring defense (28.4 PPG)
At A&M for 2 years: 2011= 70th scoring defense (28.2 PPG), 2010= 34th scoring defense (21.9 PPG)
At Air Force for 3 years: 2009= 10th scoring defense (15.7 PPG), 2008= 42nd scoring defense (22.2 PPG), 2007= 23rd scoring defense (21.1 PPG)

Just a name to throw out there.

[Todd4State]

What about Tim DeRuyter at Cal? What's opinions on him?

Got the PAC12 connection to Leach. He's had some solid defenses with a couple of mediocre ones mixed in but he's got tons of DC experience plus some SEC experience. But he already makes $800k though & he's from California.

At Cal the last 3 years: 2019= 32nd scoring defense (21.9 PPG), 2018= 22nd scoring defense (20.1 PPG), 2017= 78th scoring defense (28.4 PPG)
At A&M for 2 years: 2011= 70th scoring defense (28.2 PPG), 2010= 34th scoring defense (21.9 PPG)
At Air Force for 3 years: 2009= 10th scoring defense (15.7 PPG), 2008= 42nd scoring defense (22.2 PPG), 2007= 23rd scoring defense (21.1 PPG)

Just a name to throw out there.

Would be a home run hire and a good fit. Has head coaching experience so he should be able to handle the autonomy part well.

[HailStateSZN19]

Rosie threw out the name Zach Arnett to keep an eye on this morning. Been SDSU's DC/LB the last 2 years learning under Rocky Long. Played at New Mexico under Rocky as well. Got hired as Syracuse's DC not too long ago this month.

Main concern there has to be how much of the defense the last 2 seasons has Arnett actually run? I would imagine Rocky does most of the heavy lifting there right? They had the #2 scoring defense in the country this year at SDSU.

[KOdawg1]

Bateman turned down our job as well. Sounds like our main targets aren't interested.

[yjnkdawg]

Yeah I agree. I was really hoping that Leach would understand you can't just outscore people in the SEC. Especially not at MS state. I'm pretty concerned at this point that he's doesn't seem to be putting a lot of stock in defense and recruiting, which doesn't set up well for success. Ive lost my erection after the Leach hire.


If CML wasn't putting much stock in defense then he would have given all his defensive staff a good raise to come here, and then call it a day. CML wants to win here period. He wants the coaches around him who he thinks gives him the best opportunity to that. He also wants the best players, on the field, who he feels will also give him the best chance to win whether that be a freshman, senior, a player from the transfer portal, etc. So CML knows you need to have a good defense in the SEC to accomplish what he wants, our coaches want, our administration wants, and our fan base wants.

[msstate7]

Bateman turned down our job as well. Sounds like our main targets aren't interested.

Well this is getting disappointing. We're on at least 3rd choice now

[KOdawg1]

Well this is getting disappointing. We're on at least 3rd choice now
It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.

I doubt that's the reason.

My guess is DCs are hesitant to work for Leach. It would be interesting to see if he's always had a little trouble finding a DC.

I realize how MSU have the inferiority complex of thinking this is about us, but it may be more about Leach.

either way, hopefully he just finds the right guy. Mullen changed almost every year. We'll be fine

[yjnkdawg]

It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.


DC's do not make all the staff hires on the defensive side, whether some on this board think they do or should. They may have some input, but the final call is the HC's decision. They may bring one or two coaches with them. The HC is the one who has the overall ultimate responsibility for wins. The problem with WSU's defense was their DC and he was let go.

[ShotgunDawg]

Bateman turned down our job as well. Sounds like our main targets aren't interested.

Relax

[ShotgunDawg]

DC's do not make all the staff hires on the defensive side, whether some on this board think they do or should. They may have some input the final call is the HC. They may bring one or two coaches. The HC is the one who has the overall ultimate responsibility for wins. The problem with WSU's defense was their DC and he was let go.

This.

We'll be fine. I honestly feel like DCs are a dime a dozen. Just have to avoid the Sirmon type hire.

I mean, Dave Aranda just got a head coaching job with the 31st ranked defense that had NFL personnel at every position

[KB21]

It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.

This is the latest red herring people have decided to come up with. No defensive coordinator has the authority to make his own staff hires. Todd Grantham didn’t make his own staff hires when he was hired. Neither did Bob Shoop. Neither did Manny Diaz, Geoff Collins, Chris Wilson, and Carl Torbush.

It simply doesn’t happen. Guess what. When LSU hires a defensive coordinator, that person is also not going to make all the defensive staff hires.

[msudawg1200]

This.

We'll be fine. I honestly feel like DCs are a dime a dozen. Just have to avoid the Sirmon type hire.

Agree. Take Shoop for example. When he had NFL talent all over the field he was number 1 in the nation. When he didn't we were 73 in the nation. Just get someone that halfway knows what they are doing. As stated, just don't make a Sirmon hire.

[HoopsDawg]

Well this is getting disappointing. We're on at least 3rd choice now

4th

[yjnkdawg]

It was just a matter of time for some on here. So here we go again I guess. :(

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiIzLmsjbQmmkRYrK/giphy.gif

[ShotgunDawg]

Agree. Take Shoop for example. When he had NFL talent all over the field he was number 1 in the nation. When he didn't we were 73 in the nation. Just get someone that halfway knows what they are doing. As stated, just don't make a Sirmon hire.

Yeah. There is a needed competence level that you can't go below.

I feel like there are 3 levels of DCs.

1. Saban, Belichick, Rhule, Venables, etc. This level is small & these guys make a big difference. Although Clemson & Bama gave up more points to LSU than us.
2. About 90% of DCs. Competent. Success depends almost completely on talent. Puts players in correct positions. Nothing special.
3. Peter Sirmon & Ron Cooper. They only make up about 5% of the hirable pool of candidates, but just avoid these guys.

If Leach can just land one of the 90% of average DCs along with his offense, we'll be fine & win games. Hopefully through that, he may eventually be able to hire a level 1 DC. FWIW, I'm not sure if Newberry or Bateman are of the level 1 variety. My guess is that they are not.

[ShotgunDawg]

4th

Doesn't matter except to fan egos. In which in this case, it probably has more to do with the uncomfortable nature of working with Leach than it is about working at MSU.

[msstate7]

Doesn't matter except to fan egos. In which in this case, it probably has more to do with the uncomfortable nature of working with Leach than it is about working at MSU.

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

[Spiderman]

It's pretty sad. That's why I wish Leach would have found a DC and let him make the staff hires. No big-time DC is going to agree to come here with half of his staff already assembled with guys he may or may not know from a shitty defense.

No HC worth a damn in gonna let an OC or DC hire the staff for their side of the ball. He may get their input, but he should never let them hire half the staff.

[yjnkdawg]

Doesn't matter except to fan egos. In which in this case, it probably has more to do with the uncomfortable nature of working with Leach than it is about working at MSU.


I agree Gun. Nobody but a select few know how the interviews played out, who was actually offered, or what was discussed in any interviews.................... However the media said this and whatever the media says is always 100% factual.***

[ShotgunDawg]

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

Maybe, but that doesn't mean who he ends up hiring won't be just as good.

[Todd4State]

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

That's not the thought process in interviewing or hiring people.

[Todd4State]

I agree Gun. Nobody but a select few know how the interviews played out, who was actually offered, or what was discussed in any interviews.................... However the media said this and whatever the media says is always 100% factual.***

Exactly. We don't know if anyone has been officially offered the job.

[msstate7]

Maybe, but that doesn't mean who he ends up hiring won't be just as good.

That I agree with, but I certainly think the risk goes up with every empty swing

[dawgday166]

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

[msstate7]

Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

4th... 5th was a mistake... hoops' number, and hoops is reliable imo

[Irondawg]

But I think we can all admit that we are surprised some of these top candidates are not interested in the job. We are offering probably at least a 200k raise to most people, in the best conference in the nation at a school that has a reputation of having good defenses and has also proven to be a very good stepping stone job.

It?s not going to be attractive to everyone but just a bit odd that we seem to be having this much trouble.

Does Leach have a history of being difficult to work for as a DC or something?

I think the stats given in other threads show that his offense doesn?t force the defense to play an huge increase in number of plays

[Really Clark?]

Where you getting 5th. Newberry and Bateman turned us down. I believe there were several factors but one big one might be how both had just moved their families within last year or so and both are also in pretty good locations. Gotta take the fam into account sometimes.

As I've said I only think 2 have so far. Any others tell us no? I also believe Leach is looking for a specific D philosophy and associated historical results.

Bateman didn’t turn us down so much as he declined to interview because he is happy at UNC and didn’t want to move again. He recommended Newberry as someone to consider.

[yjnkdawg]

That I agree with, but I certainly think the risk goes up with every empty swing


The media is calling all these swings. However if the media had been right earlier in the coaching search process, then we would never have had CML stepping off that plane and being welcomed as our new HC.

[dawgday166]

Bateman didn?t turn us down so much as he declined to interview because he is happy at UNC and didn?t want to move again. He recommended Newberry as someone to consider.

ok. I kinda counted that as a no since it was a choice of Leach's I believe. I'm thinking we're on our 3rd or 4th option unless I missed someone.

[FISHDAWG]

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

[dawgday166]

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

Shoop was experienced at DC. Manny was too but not at P5 Level. Not sure on Collins.

[Jack Lambert]

Should have just kept Shoops.

[ShotgunDawg]

Should have just kept Shoops.

Leach doesn't retain coaches. It's in his book.

[Todd4State]

Maybe it's time to insert the old Cliche that a good defense is a Strong Offense **
I think it's something more along the lines of waiting too late this year to change out our Coaching staff - gotta admit that this was kinda late in the year for staff changes ... maybe if we pulled the plug just after the Egg Bowl but just thinking back - have we ever had a known experienced coordinator other than Grantham and JL Dunn come aboard ?
Take what we can get this year and if it doesn't work then change again next year - I hate the appearance of desperation but we have put our self in this position and I say it's worth it ... not everyone can say no to the kind of money we can offer

From my fan life- Joe Lee Dunn, Ron Cooper was a former head coach and well thought of before he flamed out with us, Ellis Johnson, Carl Tornush, Manny Diaz the second time around, Todd Grantham, and Bob Shoop.

[Jack Lambert]

Leach doesn't retain coaches. It's in his book.

He might need to revise that chapter.

[Dawgface]

He might need to revise that chapter.

Yep. Silly to have a hard rule like that. What if Venables had been our dc.....would he have been automatically let go? Unrealistic example....but you get my point.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Clayton White?...geez is he the what 3rd, 4th option?

[GreenheadDawg]

Well this is embarrassing. Call the DC from western Appalachian technical college I guess

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Well this is embarrassing. Call the DC from western Appalachian technical college I guess

Buutttttt Clayon White is VERY interested in the job....hell I would be VERY interested too but that don't mean I am a good option...

[confucius say]

Yep. Silly to have a hard rule like that. What if Venables had been our dc.....would he have been automatically let go? Unrealistic example....but you get my point.

He has retained people at times. Even now Hughes is staying and most of the off field staff too

[Todd4State]

Clayton White?...geez is he the what 3rd, 4th option?

I'd definitively go after Long and Arnett before I went to White.

[KOdawg1]

Relax
Dude shut the hell up. You of all people have no room to tell anyone to relax. You've changed your approach from overreacting to everything to sticking your head in the sand. Let's see how it plays out.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Clayton White?...geez is he the what 3rd, 4th option?

I mentioned White's name a day or 2 ago. We've been in conversations with him since Sunday. 2 coaches have said no Walters & Newberry.

[ShotgunDawg]

Let's see how it plays out.

You're a turd

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Well this is embarrassing. Call the DC from western Appalachian technical college I guess

Much better than that Middle TN St DC Manny Diaz or that Florida International DC Geoff Collins.

[Really Clark?]

Long, Arnett, White in that order for me, if those are 3 legitimate choices. Just not sure of the locations Long would consider and if Arnett would really turn about face from accepting Syracuse. White is better than y?all are giving him credit for. Has had some excellent secondaries even as just a DB coach. If 2018 hadn?t been such a down turn for WKU leading to the coach being fired, not sure he wouldn?t already have been hired to a P5 program. But that did tarnish his resume. Helton retained him last year and they were really solid this season and they started really strong in 2017 before a ton of injuries hampered the last half of the year.

[KOdawg1]

You're a turd

Go back and read the thread from when Willie Gay announced he was going pro. Or the one where you bashed one of our baseball player's families. I'd take a long hard look at those before you call anyone else a turd

[KOdawg1]

What's the knock on UAB's DC? They're near the top in nearly every statistical category. Is that more of Clark's doing or what?

[K9 Avenger]

Clayton White headshot
CLAYTON
WHITE
TITLE Assistant Coach -- Defensive Coordinator/Cornerbacks
EMAIL clayton.white@wku.edu
A 2017 Frank Broyles Award nominee for the nation's top assistant coach and a 17-year coaching veteran, Clayton White enters his third season as defensive coordinator and cornerbacks coach on The Hill in 2019, a post he assumed prior to the 2017 season.

During White?s first campaign as the defensive playcaller, the Hilltoppers enjoyed a historic stretch, holding opponents to their fewest point totals through the season?s first seven games in 15 years and a record over that span in the FBS era. As injuries claimed starters along the defensive front and secondary, White?s coaching in the cornerbacks room developed DeAndre Farris from a backup into one of the nation?s top pass defenders.

The pass defense was also one of the nation's stingiest in allowing passing touchdowns as opposing teams found the end zone just 11 times through the air all season against the Hilltoppers, a mark which ranked No. 5 nationally and just three off the nation's top mark. It was the fewest touchdown passes allowed by a WKU team since the 2001 team also allowed just 11 touchdown passes and four fewer than the previous FBS-era low.

Farris? 15 passes defended, the fifth-most in a single season in program history and tied for the most in the FBS era, ranked No. 36 nationally and No. 2 among C-USA defensive backs. For his efforts, Farris was named All-Conference USA Honorable Mention along with the corner opposite him, Joe Brown.

Due in large part to the tenacity of the defensive backfield in White?s 4-2-5 scheme, the Hilltoppers finished ranked No. 40 nationally in pass defense ? an improvement of 79 spots from the previous season - and No. 4 in pass-happy C-USA, allowing just 206.8 yards per game through the air, the fewest by a WKU team since the 2013 squad. All four starters in the defensive secondary received postseason accolades as safeties Drell Greene (All-C-USA Honorable Mention) and Devon Key (All-Freshman team) picked up mentions.

In year two, the HIlltoppers were one of the nation's stingiest inside the redzone. WKU allowed just a 103.41 passer rating with their backs against the wall, good for the sixth-best mark nationally and second-best in Conference USA. Even better, the Hilltoppers allowed opposing quarterbacks to complete passes at just a 32.7 percent clip, the best mark in the nation. The Hilltoppers also sent their seniors out on a high-note with a five-interception performance against UTEP on Senior Night, the most interceptions by the Hilltoppers in a single game in the FBS era.

Following the season, three WKU defensive backs received All-Conference USA honorable mention accolades: Ta'Corian Darden, Devon Key, and Drell Greene. Four others from White's defense also earned the honor in Juwuan Jones, D'Angelo Malone, Ben Holt, and Masai Whyte.

At NC State, safety Josh Jones led the Wolfpack in tackles with 109 and interceptions with three. NC State's defense ranked No. 24 nationally, allowing just 352.8 yards per game, and No. 8 nationally in rush defense, limiting opponents to 108.5 yards per game on the ground. It was the second consecutive season the Wolfpack defense posted a Top 30 rating nationally.

In 2015, the Wolfpack defense ranked 29th in the FBS in total defense, 39th in rushing defense, 36th in passing yards allowed, 29th in first down defense, 42nd in interceptions, 34th in third down defense and 35th in TFL and sacks. NC State was also one of only two schools in the FBS to finish in the Top 20 in both Kickoff Return and Punt Return. NC State defensive back Dontae Johnson, a White disciple, was selected in the fourth round of the 2014 NFL Draft by the San Francisco 49ers.

Prior to his time in Raleigh, White spent two seasons at Connecticut (2011-12) coordinating the special teams and leading the running backs. While in Storrs, the Huskies tied for the national lead with three punt returns for touchdowns and led the Big East with a 12.5 punt return average, good for No. 18 nationally. Running back Lyle McCombs was named an FWAA Freshman All-American under White's direction, becoming just the second Husky to rush for more than 1,000 yards in his freshman campaign.

White spent one season in Bowling Green on Willie Taggart's first staff in 2010 and helped to build the WKU program during the FCS-to-FBS transition. He assisted in signing future WKU stars including Cam Thomas, Xavius Boyd, Bar'ee Boyd and Tyree Robinson in the signing class of 2010.

A three-year run at Stanford preceded his first stint on The Hill where he coached the Cardinal defensive backs, including future NFL Pro Bowler Richard Sherman, and future NFL players Michael Thomas, Johnson Bademosi and Delano Howell. The Cardinal rose to as high as No. 14 in the polls in 2009 and reached a bowl game for the first time since 2001 that year.

White also had stints at Western Michigan (2006) and Western Carolina (2004-05) following a three-year NFL career with the New York Giants (2001-02) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003). A three-year letterman at linebacker at NC State (1998-00), White ended his career with his name across the Wolfpack record book in several categories including career tackles for loss (33), single-season tackles for loss (16) and tackles in a single game (23).

A 2001 graduate with a degree in sport management from NC State, White and his wife Kelly have two children, Chase and Macy.

THE WHITE FILE

PERSONAL
Born: Dec. 2, 1977
Hometown: Dunn, N.C. (Triton HS)
College: NC State, `01
Wife: Kelly
Children: Chase and Macy

PLAYING CAREER (Linebacker)
College: NC State (1998-00)
Pro: New York Giants (2001-02), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003)

COACHING CAREER
2003: Sanderson (N.C.) HS (Defensive Backs)
2004-05: Western Carolina (Defensive Backs/Special Teams)
2006: Western Michigan (Defensive Backs/Special Teams)
2007-09: Stanford (Defensive Backs)
2010: WKU (Co-Special Teams Coordinator/Defensive Backs)
2011-12: Connecticut (Special Teams Coordinator/Running Backs)
2013-16:NC State (Co-Special Teams Coordinator/Safeties)
2017-Pres: WKU (Defensive Coordinator/Corners)

BOWL EXPERIENCE
1998: MicronPC (NC State, Player)
2000: MicronPC (NC State, Player)
2006: International (Western Michigan, Coach)
2009: Sun (Stanford, Coach)
2014: St. Petersburg (NC State, Coach)
2015: Belk (NC State, Coach)
2016: Independence (NC State, Coach)
2017: Cure (WKU, Coach)

[Todd4State]

Much better than that Middle TN St DC Manny Diaz or that Florida International DC Geoff Collins.

Well WKU is in the same conference as Middle Tennessee State and La Tech both of which we got Manny from at different times.

[deadheaddawg]

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better

you don't know if we are on the 1st or the 20th.

It's clear some people on here have never held positions where they hire people and conduct interviews.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I mentioned White's name a day or 2 ago. We've been in conversations with him since Sunday. 2 coaches have said no Walters & Newberry.

so 3rd? ok.

[KOdawg1]

you don't know if we are on the 1st or the 20th.

It's clear some people on here have never held positions where they hire people and conduct interviews.
We're at least on option #3. We know 2 people have told us no.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What's the knock on UAB's DC? They're near the top in nearly every statistical category. Is that more of Clark's doing or what?

I think that's part of it. That's my biggest question on Arnett. Rocky Long did the game planning & play calling at SDSU. I just would want to know how much if any was Arnett involved in those areas.

[msstate7]

We're at least on option #3. We know 2 people have told us no.

You've never conducted interviews... it's the best thing ever to be told no a few times. Your 3-4th choice is always the best one

[HoopsDawg]

I mentioned White's name a day or 2 ago. We've been in conversations with him since Sunday. 2 coaches have said no Walters & Newberry.

2 no's into the process but several others we couldn't get off the starting blocks with. We are definitely down the list at this point. BUT, as long as we hire a good coach, it doesn't matter.

[ShotgunDawg]

Go back and read the thread from when Willie Gay announced he was going pro. Or the one where you bashed one of our baseball player's families. I'd take a long hard look at those before you call anyone else a turd

Goodness. Go away.

This is a message board.

1. Willie Gay was/is an extremely selfish player. When you act like he did at MSU you get what comes to you.
2. I don't remember saying something about a baseball player's family.
3. Why are you keeping up with things like this? Get a life.
4. Something get me riled up like selfishness & a lack of balls. Other things like DCs that we replace most years don't .
5. Again, get a life
6. Anyone that keeps notes on what people say on a message is the definition of a turd. A "Gotcha" type person. Loser

[HailStateSZN19]

I think that's part of it. That's my biggest question on Arnett. Rocky Long did the game planning & play calling at SDSU. I just would want to know how much if any was Arnett involved in those areas.

Why don't we just go get Rocky Long and call it a day? If he's as good of buddies with Leach as it sounds like, wouldn't he jump at the opportunity to be his DC in the SEC? I know he's 69 (nice!) years old but he's got to have a few more years in him before he's ready to hang it up. Heck, let McBath be like a Co-DC and learn under him and then let him take over when Rocky is ready to hang it up. We wouldn't be relying on Rocky to be a relentless recruiter being the DC and being 69. He's one of the greatest defensive minds in CFB. Just go after him, get it done, and let's roll.

[deadheaddawg]

Not sure if you're serious. Leach is now looking fit his 5th option. That's not a good thing... leach thought 4 guys would've been better


We're at least on option #3. We know 2 people have told us no.

I have not seen the official statement that we offered 2 people and they declined. My apologies if it's actually been confirmed we offered

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You've never conducted interviews... it's the best thing ever to be told no a few times. Your 3-4th choice is always the best one

I know you're being sarcastic but it's not who says no that matters it's who says yes. That's what we're going to be judged by. What Napier & Judge do with their careers is now irrelevant what Leach does is what matters. Same way here. What Walters & Newberry does doesn't affect MSU what White or Arnett it whoever it is will.

[HailStateSZN19]

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1220066638738968576?s=21

[Ifyouonlyknew]

2 no's into the process but several others we couldn't get off the starting blocks with. We are definitely down the list at this point. BUT, as long as we hire a good coach, it doesn't matter.

Thanks I just typed the same thing.

[KOdawg1]

You've never conducted interviews... it's the best thing ever to be told no a few times. Your 3-4th choice is always the best one

Lol +1

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

well damn it's Arnett! I bet Syracuse is thrilled

[ShotgunDawg]

https://twitter.com/petethamel/status/1220066638738968576?s=21

OMG freak out!!!!!!

This guy will be fine.... Goodness some of you

[StateDawg44]

I have not seen the official statement that we offered 2 people and they declined. My apologies if it's actually been confirmed we offered

I get what you are saying and all but it's not like there are press releases put out if we offer or get turned down ever. Not sure how your point here stands really

[KOdawg1]

I'm intrigued by the 3-3-5 and the Long connection. We'll see

[HailStateSZN19]

OMG freak out!!!!!!

This guy will be fine.... Goodness some of you

Are you directing that at me for posting the Tweet, Gun? Or you saying most on the board in general?

Point me to any point where I've freaked out. I actually like this. He's been groomed under one of the greatest defensive minds in CFB. He's young and hungry. I can ride with this hire.

[Irondawg]

Maybe we can talk long into coming in as a consultant as well.

Hard to judge how this one will turn out

[KOdawg1]

Goodness. Go away.

This is a message board.

1. Willie Gay was/is an extremely selfish player. When you act like he did at MSU you get what comes to you.
2. I don't remember saying something about a baseball player's family.
3. Why are you keeping up with things like this? Get a life.
4. Something get me riled up like selfishness & a lack of balls. Other things like DCs that we replace most years don't .
5. Again, get a life
6. Anyone that keeps notes on what people say on a message is the definition of a turd. A "Gotcha" type person. Loser

LOL. You're the gift that keeps giving.

[KOdawg1]

Are you directing that at me for posting the Tweet, Gun? Or you saying most on the board in general?

Point me to any point where I've freaked out. I actually like this. He's been groomed under one of the greatest defensive minds in CFB. He's young and hungry. I can ride with this hire.
He's directing it at me bc I've expressed concern about the defensive hires, and how dare I do such a thing.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Leach hired a sitting P5 DC

[ShotgunDawg]

Maybe we can talk long into coming in as a consultant as well.

Hard to judge how this one will turn out

I've thought the same. Would be great

[ShotgunDawg]

Are you directing that at me for posting the Tweet, Gun? Or you saying most on the board in general?

Point me to any point where I've freaked out. I actually like this. He's been groomed under one of the greatest defensive minds in CFB. He's young and hungry. I can ride with this hire.

No.

Sorry that you were included here. Was pointing that at KOdawg for being ridiculous.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

ALRIGHT! Now that we probably have our guy we can discuss it:

I'm not a fan of the 3-3-5 for us. 1) we're very thin at LB relative to DL, 2) MS turns our more high level DLs than LBs.

That said, I expect he'll adapt. Grantham wants to run a 3-4 but ran a 4-3 here because that's how Sweat made the most impact

[msstate7]

Leach hired a sitting P5 DC

And arnet is now on his 2nd P5 DC job and hasn't given up a 1st down haha

[Really Clark?]

ALRIGHT! Now that we probably have our guy we can discuss it:

I'm not a fan of the 3-3-5 for us. 1) we're very thin at LB relative to DL, 2) MS turns our more high level DLs than LBs.

That said, I expect he'll adapt. Grantham wants to run a 3-4 but ran a 4-3 here because that's how Sweat made the most impact

Grantham probably ran more 4-2-5 than anything here and is doing it at Florida as well. Arnett will mix in 4-2-5 as well. Most do in today’s game because of the offenses.

[KOdawg1]

No.

Sorry that you were included here. Was pointing that at KOdawg for being ridiculous.

"Go away."