Which players leave after this season

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Not counting the seniors from the team, which players will leave after this season.

Here is my list:
Renfroe- pro obviously
Frazier- push, could come back
Fullerton
Britton
Norris- who knows, could leave from lack of playing time
Flair- might go home

Probably more, just not enough to know about some of the players right now

[Political Hack]

More Importantly:
Justin Cox
PJ Jones
Malcolm Johnson
Matt Wells

Those are the only 4 that even have a shot at even dreaming of leaving early, and to be honest, I think Cox and Johnson are really the only ones with a shot.

[Pollodawg]

I would put football and baseball about neck and neck importance wise.

[MitchD24]

More Importantly:
Justin Cox
PJ Jones
Malcolm Johnson
Matt Wells

Those are the only 4 that even have a shot at even dreaming of leaving early, and to be honest, I think Cox and Johnson are really the only ones with a shot.

Matt Wells would have to have a BLOWOUT year in order to leave early but I do think Cox is gone after this year

[War Machine Dawg]

I think your list is about right, although I wouldn't be surprised to see Britton back.

If I were Norris, I'd leave just to get away from Cohen. When your coach quits on you for no apparent reason, it's time to move on.

I wish Flair would stay. All accounts say the guy can hit. Why don't we give him a shot at DH if he sucks in the field?

[Political Hack]

Wells is a new breed of S/OLB that can cover the flex TEs like Hernandez. He's going to be a specialty type player and I think that's going to help his draft stock as teams start going with that OLB/S combo player in their nickle packages.

[MitchD24]

I can see where your coming from.. OM has the same thing in Denzel. I do see Wells having a big year and I'm really excited to see him starting. He's got some work to do but the talent and the "want to" is definetly there

[Homedawg]

Not counting the seniors from the team, which players will leave after this season.

Here is my list:
Renfroe- pro obviously
Frazier- push, could come back
Fullerton
Britton
Norris- who knows, could leave from lack of playing time
Flair- might go home

Probably more, just not enough to know about some of the players right now

Frazier will go.
Fullerton we are trying to get a medical for he'll be back I think.
Britton? 50-50
Norris is gone.
Flair? I think comes back

[Homedawg]

I think your list is about right, although I wouldn't be surprised to see Britton back.

If I were Norris, I'd leave just to get away from Cohen. When your coach quits on you for no apparent reason, it's time to move on.

I wish Flair would stay. All accounts say the guy can hit. Why don't we give him a shot at DH if he sucks in the field?

Man you have a love affair w Norris. He peaked out in hs. Avg college player to be nice. For nothing better than avg and I mean nothing. Does several things below avg. not trying to bet him down. I hate it for him but e shouldn't be playing. Period. Glad we have seen the light.

[msstate7]

Frazier will go.
Fullerton we are trying to get a medical for he'll be back I think.
Britton? 50-50
Norris is gone.
Flair? I think comes back

What round is Frazier looking at? I like Frazier but I don't think he's a great pro prospect

[Homedawg]

More Importantly:
Justin Cox
PJ Jones
Malcolm Johnson
Matt Wells

Those are the only 4 that even have a shot at even dreaming of leaving early, and to be honest, I think Cox and Johnson are really the only ones with a shot.

Wells? He couldn't start for us a year ago and won't start this year by mid year and you have him coming out? Wow. Hack I'm disappointed.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

I think your list is about right, although I wouldn't be surprised to see Britton back.

If I were Norris, I'd leave just to get away from Cohen. When your coach quits on you for no apparent reason, it's time to move on.

I wish Flair would stay. All accounts say the guy can hit. Why don't we give him a shot at DH if he sucks in the field?
I should add woodruff to the list as possible, might go Rick Ankiel on us and have a mental breakdown and just walk away. Flair might stick around because he is waiting for porter to leave and fill that role, who knows. Several freshmen from this roster will probably be gone too.

[CadaverDawg]

Man you have a love affair w Norris. He peaked out in hs. Avg college player to be nice. For nothing better than avg and I mean nothing. Does several things below avg. not trying to bet him down. I hate it for him but e shouldn't be playing. Period. Glad we have seen the light.

I think WMD is spot on with Norris. If he got near the opportunities to **** up that Pirtle, Frost, and Henderson have had, he would be a mainstay at 3B and always in the lineup. He is one of the most highly touted players on our team, but as soon as he gets out 1 time, Cohen benches him. Meanwhile Frost can make 3 errors a game and k 3 times, and he's trotted back out there as a defensive specialist and pinch hitter. Norris is getting a raw deal, and could at least be helping us from the bullpen if nothing else. Britton should stay because he could get a lot more PT with Frazier leaving. I think Britton and Norris would both surprise some people if Cohen would give em the type of opportunity that he's given Pirtle and Frost.

All of that being said...as long as we're winning, it's all good. I just hate to see a talent like Norris walk away when he clearly could help us. We've got Henderson in the lineup for God's sake...and you mean to tell me we can't find a way to get Norris in there? I ain't buying it.

[Coach34]

Frazier is gone- he loses any leverage he would have if he stays

We have been grooming Britton to be the SS next year- if he leaves- wtf is going to play SS?

[Coach34]

Norris needs to go to Delta State- if he was a player- Cohen would have him in the line-up.

Everybody was bitching about Taylor Stark last year and he cant even get on the field for Delta State this Spring

[CadaverDawg]

Norris needs to go to Delta State- if he was a player- Cohen would have him in the line-up.

Everybody was bitching about Taylor Stark last year and he cant even get on the field for Delta State this Spring

You may be right, but I always knew Stark was not a player. Norris has actually shown an ability to be a solid player for us. But when you get 2 at bats a month, it's hard to expect much.

My argument is more about the way it's handled than whether or not the player is really what I think they are. In other words, Cohen let Pirtle go like 2 for his first 30 this year and he was still in the lineup. Meanwhile, Norris has been the teams leading hitter for a couple of stretches over the past two seasons, with an injury mixed in, and he is written off? I just don't get that. And Norris was a highly touted recruit so the talent is there. I just think he must have a shitty work ethic or attitude, because he has definitely gotten in the Flair-house with Cohen.

[WeWillScrewItUp]

I think the whole Pirtle experiment proved to be a good thing. His defense is what kept getting him trotted back out there and his bat has come around tremendously. That being said I also feel Norris should have kept getting chances because of his bat. In order for a baseball player to play up to their ability they have to have reps and it shows with Pirtle and his improvement throughout the season. One more thing is Norris could make the throw from 3rd and just that fact alone should have given him the nod over Frost. I do like Detz at 3rd but the whole Sam Frost defensive specialist coming in as a replacement pisses me off.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

You may be right, but I always knew Stark was not a player. Norris has actually shown an ability to be a solid player for us. But when you get 2 at bats a month, it's hard to expect much.

My argument is more about the way it's handled than whether or not the player is really what I think they are. In other words, Cohen let Pirtle go like 2 for his first 30 this year and he was still in the lineup. Meanwhile, Norris has been the teams leading hitter for a couple of stretches over the past two seasons, with an injury mixed in, and he is written off? I just don't get that. And Norris was a highly touted recruit so the talent is there. I just think he must have a shitty work ethic or attitude, because he has definitely gotten in the Flair-house with Cohen.

I don't know Norris and I'm not there at practice. He may have quit after getting benched for Frost to **** up in the ninth at Kentucky after his huge hit the night before. Might have million dollar talent with a penny brain and a shitty attitude. He may have the bags packed and is just waiting for the season to be over to get out of here.

[Coach34]

Norris has had more AB's than Frost- yet Frost:

Has a higher average
Has a high on base percentage
Has a higher slugging percentage
Has stolen 5 bases in 5 attempts- Norris cant outrun Rea
Frost gets to more balls and fields bunts better

[CadaverDawg]

I think the whole Pirtle experiment proved to be a good thing. His defense is what kept getting him trotted back out there and his bat has come around tremendously. That being said I also feel Norris should have kept getting chances because of his bat. In order for a baseball player to play up to their ability they have to have reps and it shows with Pirtle and his improvement throughout the season. One more thing is Norris could make the throw from 3rd and just that fact alone should have given him the nod over Frost. I do like Detz at 3rd but the whole Sam Frost defensive specialist coming in as a replacement pisses me off.

I agree. And I'm man enough to admit I was wrong about Pirtle. I'm not wrong about it being borderline insane to bat him cleanup though.

If Norris had been allowed to work through a slump like Pirtle, then he would easily be a mainstay in the lineup right now in my opinion. I just look at LF being our primary weakness at the plate....and wi a guy like Norris on the bench, you just wish we could move Detz to LF and play Norris at 3rd. That way you have Detz, Norris, AND Porter in the lineup together, while removing Henderson/Robson/Armstrong. That is such a tremendous upgrade in our ability to hit and score runs if you find a way to get Frazier, Detz, Renfroe, Porter, Rea, Pirtle, Norris, Slauter, and Bradford all in the lineup together and remove EVERY weak link.

But, I'm obviously just pissing in the wind.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

The emergence of Detz was the undoing of Norris due to Detz's versatility to play multiple positions. I still think Britton transfers to somewhere because I think Pirtle will move to short and Detz goes to second and we bring in a JUCO third basemen.

[WeWillScrewItUp]

I agree. And I'm man enough to admit I was wrong about Pirtle. I'm not wrong about it being borderline insane to bat him cleanup though.

If Norris had been allowed to work through a slump like Pirtle, then he would easily be a mainstay in the lineup right now in my opinion. I just look at LF being our primary weakness at the plate....and wi a guy like Norris on the bench, you just wish we could move Detz to LF and play Norris at 3rd. That way you have Detz, Norris, AND Porter in the lineup together, while removing Henderson/Robson/Armstrong. That is such a tremendous upgrade in our ability to hit and score runs if you find a way to get Frazier, Detz, Renfroe, Porter, Rea, Pirtle, Norris, Slauter, and Bradford all in the lineup together and remove EVERY weak link.

But, I'm obviously just pissing in the wind.

What you said here gets a tip of the hat from me.

[Coach34]

The emergence of Detz was the undoing of Norris due to Detz's versatility to play multiple positions. I still think Britton transfers to somewhere because I think Pirtle will move to short and Detz goes to second and we bring in a JUCO third basemen.

we need a 3rd baseman like Hugh Hefner needs viagra

[HereComesTheSpiral]

we need a 3rd baseman like Hugh Hefner needs viagra

But we have Hann (cough)

[Political Hack]

Wells? He couldn't start for us a year ago and won't start this year by mid year and you have him coming out? Wow. Hack I'm disappointed.

Belicheck disagrees with you. He'd have to have a huge year, but I think he could have a legit shot at working into that 3rd - 5th round area with a big year. I would hope he wouldn't leave for that, but I'm pretty sure he'll get a good draft grade coming out of this year.

[War Machine Dawg]

I'm with you, Cadaver. I'll also admit to being wrong about Pirtle. He's come one hell of a long way at the plate in just a few weeks. But the way we're handling the rest of our lineup just pisses me off. And I'm totally in on the idea that LF is the biggest black hole on the team right now. It just seems insane not to give Detz/Frost a shot out there. Cohen clearly wants both of them in the lineup, so why not put one (preferably noodle-arm Frost) in LF? That would solve a lot of problems.

[Coach34]

Now I could get on board with Frost in LF and Detz at 3B...

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Alex Detz=Allen Craig, can play damn near every position

[Todd4State]

Norris is hitting .071 in SEC play and I'm not sure that he is ever going to completely get over his knee injury from last year from a mental standpoint. Frost is hitting much better than Norris, has taken better at bats, can bunt, steal, and can play multiple positions. Detz has as many home runs as Norris in his career and I'm not even going to talk about his batting average or OBP.

As far as SS- Adam Frazier was listed as the second best SS prospect on one internet site. It's a weak year for college SS's. He's a top 10 round pick, and Frazier has greatly improved his range to the point where an organization might consider him at the position.

Renfroe is gone unless he gets completely overlooked like some of LSU's players get overlooked and come back for their senior year.

Back to SS- it could be Kyle Hann, it could be Britton, Reid Humphries from Northwest Rankin is going to compete for the spot, I wouldn't be shocked if Pirtle gets a shot. Hann and Britton are going to have to advance at the plate.

I think we could look like this:

C- Cody Kelly/Zach Randolph/Daniel Garner/Gavin Collins Kelly is an incoming JUCO catcher, Collins is a freshman from California.
1B- Big Wes
2B- Hann/Britton/Humphries
3B- Detz, maybe Flair if he improves defensively, maybe even Humphries if he is better than Detz defensively/Brent Rooker?/Gavin Collins?
SS- Pirtle
LF- Robson/Demarcus/Armstrong/Jake Vickerson who is a JUCO OF and is Nick's brother.
CF- CT
RF- Demarcus/Armstrong/Brent Rooker?/Gavin Collins?
DH- Flair might have the inside track, Rooker, Humphries, Collins, and I wouldn't be shocked if we look at Woodruff as a hitter if he doesn't get things straightened out.

Rotation- I think this will be our strength next year.

Fri.- Woodruff (I think he will get things worked out, he's not that far off and hopefully he will be healthy.)
Sat.- Lindgren
Sun.- Fitts

Midweek- Cox

Bullpen- Holder, Ross Mitchell, maybe Evan Mitchell- although I want him to leave and he might, Gentry should be better, Shelly should be better, Ben Hudspeth- I LOVE this guy, he's a warrior from Itawamba CC, Luke Laster who is a LH JUCO pitcher and then the freshmen- Austin Sexton, Dakota Hudson, Vance Tatum, Jacob Billingsley, Glenn Irby, and Avery Geyer.

Cohen has been REALLY good about getting some quality late signees- so we'll see what he and his staff come up with this year. Biggest need to me looks like a power hitting corner outfielder or maybe a power hitting third baseman.

[Todd4State]

Alex Detz=Allen Craig, can play damn near every position

Craig is more of a corner outfield/first base guy. I wish Detz had Craig's power.

Detz is more like a left hand hitting Ryan Freel. RIP.

[AlSwearengen]

I don't see Frazier being a high enough pick that it is a sure thing he is gone. He may not play SS in the pros because he doesn't have a big arm. Hitting wise, he is a singles hitter. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[Coach34]

I don't see Frazier being a very high draft pick. He won't play SS in the pros because he doesn't have a big arm. Hitting wise, he is a singles hitter.

He's not going to improve his draft stock by staying another year though. He's better off leaving in a weak year for SS's

[msstate7]

I don't see Frazier being a very high draft pick. He won't play SS in the pros because he doesn't have a big arm. Hitting wise, he is a singles hitter.

As much as I don't like it, I agree. If your a singles hitter, you better have an andrelton Simmons glove and Adam doesn't.

[CadaverDawg]

If Evan returns, I bet they give him another shot at starting, due to experience.

Regarding Vance Tatum...is that Craig Tatum's brother? Our former catcher from Hattiesburg?

[engie]

Evan Mitchell, Adam Frasier, and Hunter Renfroe are good as gone. All 3 project in the top 8 rounds, with Renfroe projected in the top 15 overall on several different sites now.

I'm going on the record right now -- I think Reid Humphries starts from day 1 @ 3B. Tremendous, tremendous talent IMO -- and the nitpicky side of player development is are generally pretty damn taken care of and ready to deal with college out of NW Rankin. Alot of people do not realize that he's Tyler Moore's little brother as well -- so he's got a power hitting baseball pedigree.

[CadaverDawg]

Evan Mitchell, Adam Frasier, and Hunter Renfroe are good as gone. All 3 project in the top 8 rounds, with Renfroe projected in the top 15 overall on several different sites now.

I'm going on the record right now -- I think Reid Humphries starts from day 1 @ 3B. Tremendous, tremendous talent IMO -- and the nitpicky side of player development is are generally pretty damn taken care of and ready to deal with college out of NW Rankin. Alot of people do not realize that he's Tyler Moore's little brother as well -- so he's got a power hitting baseball pedigree.

Looking forward to watching Humphries. It's a damn shame that Evan will go in the top 8 rounds, yet we can't get one damn inning from him to help out. How frustrating.

[engie]

Yep. Like many of us have said before -- we really need to hire a sports psych for these guys. That's exactly what the pros will do.

They will risk being able to fix the mental side -- because the physical tools are completely off the charts.

[Todd4State]

I don't see Frazier being a high enough pick that it is a sure thing he is gone. He may not play SS in the pros because he doesn't have a big arm. Hitting wise, he is a singles hitter. Maybe I'm wrong though.

It just totally depends on where he goes in the draft. I've seen crazier things happen, but I'm not holding my breath on him coming back.

[Todd4State]

If Evan returns, I bet they give him another shot at starting, due to experience.

Regarding Vance Tatum...is that Craig Tatum's brother? Our former catcher from Hattiesburg?

No. Vance actually comes from an Ole Miss family and he is from Southaven.

[Todd4State]

Evan Mitchell, Adam Frasier, and Hunter Renfroe are good as gone. All 3 project in the top 8 rounds, with Renfroe projected in the top 15 overall on several different sites now.

I'm going on the record right now -- I think Reid Humphries starts from day 1 @ 3B. Tremendous, tremendous talent IMO -- and the nitpicky side of player development is are generally pretty damn taken care of and ready to deal with college out of NW Rankin. Alot of people do not realize that he's Tyler Moore's little brother as well -- so he's got a power hitting baseball pedigree.

Reid is second in the state of Mississippi as far as hitting home runs right now with seven. The guy ahead of him is Bobby Bradley who is a junior that is committed to LSU.

[Todd4State]

Looking forward to watching Humphries. It's a damn shame that Evan will go in the top 8 rounds, yet we can't get one damn inning from him to help out. How frustrating.

You should be excited about watching Jacob Billingsley too. He didn't make Dandy Dozen, but he has put Magnolia Heights on the map and they may be the best team in the MAIS right now. I think he almost no-hit MRA and his ERA was something like 0.49 on the year. Great find by our coaching staff before he blew up on the scene. He is throwing in the low 90's. His HS team is undefeated.

I'm hearing that Gavin Collins from California might get drafted, and Brent Rooker is going to be a good player for us- he is 6'5" but he has speed and he can hit for power. He will play a corner spot- but I'm not sure which one yet.

We also just got a commitment from a catcher that is a junior in high school named Chase Vallot from Lafayette, La. He has 9 home runs right now.

[Homedawg]

Norris has had more AB's than Frost- yet Frost:

Has a higher average
Has a high on base percentage
Has a higher slugging percentage
Has stolen 5 bases in 5 attempts- Norris cant outrun Rea
Frost gets to more balls and fields bunts better

Yet he is getting screwed. Or so they say. The range difference is huge.

[Homedawg]

Norris is hitting .071 in SEC play and I'm not sure that he is ever going to completely get over his knee injury from last year from a mental standpoint. Frost is hitting much better than Norris, has taken better at bats, can bunt, steal, and can play multiple positions. Detz has as many home runs as Norris in his career and I'm not even going to talk about his batting average or OBP.

As far as SS- Adam Frazier was listed as the second best SS prospect on one internet site. It's a weak year for college SS's. He's a top 10 round pick, and Frazier has greatly improved his range to the point where an organization might consider him at the position.

Renfroe is gone unless he gets completely overlooked like some of LSU's players get overlooked and come back for their senior year.

Back to SS- it could be Kyle Hann, it could be Britton, Reid Humphries from Northwest Rankin is going to compete for the spot, I wouldn't be shocked if Pirtle gets a shot. Hann and Britton are going to have to advance at the plate.

I think we could look like this:

C- Cody Kelly/Zach Randolph/Daniel Garner/Gavin Collins Kelly is an incoming JUCO catcher, Collins is a freshman from California.
1B- Big Wes
2B- Hann/Britton/Humphries
3B- Detz, maybe Flair if he improves defensively, maybe even Humphries if he is better than Detz defensively/Brent Rooker?/Gavin Collins?
SS- Pirtle
LF- Robson/Demarcus/Armstrong/Jake Vickerson who is a JUCO OF and is Nick's brother.
CF- CT
RF- Demarcus/Armstrong/Brent Rooker?/Gavin Collins?
DH- Flair might have the inside track, Rooker, Humphries, Collins, and I wouldn't be shocked if we look at Woodruff as a hitter if he doesn't get things straightened out.

Rotation- I think this will be our strength next year.

Fri.- Woodruff (I think he will get things worked out, he's not that far off and hopefully he will be healthy.)
Sat.- Lindgren
Sun.- Fitts

Midweek- Cox

Bullpen- Holder, Ross Mitchell, maybe Evan Mitchell- although I want him to leave and he might, Gentry should be better, Shelly should be better, Ben Hudspeth- I LOVE this guy, he's a warrior from Itawamba CC, Luke Laster who is a LH JUCO pitcher and then the freshmen- Austin Sexton, Dakota Hudson, Vance Tatum, Jacob Billingsley, Glenn Irby, and Avery Geyer.

Cohen has been REALLY good about getting some quality late signees- so we'll see what he and his staff come up with this year. Biggest need to me looks like a power hitting corner outfielder or maybe a power hitting third baseman.

I agree, ss job is Pirtle's. Unless Humpries is ready to step in everyday. I doubt it but we shall see. Evan Mitchell will be gone too. Someone will draft him because he does have great stuff. No clue where it's going so he can't help us. But a pro team will take a shot at him and try to get him to throw in in the zone. In 2-3 years they will give up too.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Craig is more of a corner outfield/first base guy. I wish Detz had Craig's power.

Detz is more like a left hand hitting Ryan Freel. RIP.

I think Detz can play a corner outfield position. Defense was where he resembles Craig. I wish Detz had Craig's power, but I don't want the strikeouts that come with the power. Of course, Craig is a freakish talent to play all the positions he does at a high level and be able to hit as well as he does. Usually guys in platoon roles aren't very good at the plate.