Yo Bert Stare

[WinningIsRelentless]

Let me make this easy for your boss and Napier. Since he thinks he?s the next coming of Nick Saban I?ll give you the blueprint for the contract of a lifetime.

$500,000 base salary
Your $1,000,000 housing allowance
$250,000 for every non-conference win in a year
$500,000 for every SEC win
$100,000 bonus for every win vs a Top 25 Team with an additional bonus of another $50,000 for every win against a Top 10 team.
Our buyout if we fire you is $750,000 per win you have that year
Your buyout to leave is double what we paid you that year.

Now to your staff budget:
We will give you full control over $5,200,000
However, any firings and subsequent buyouts come out of your next years pay. But since this might give you chill bumps with approval of the AD on each hire and amount we will be responsible for the buyouts if it doesn?t work out.

Signed,


Put your money where your ego is

[Bert Stare]

Let me make this easy for your boss and Napier. Since he thinks he?s the next coming of Nick Saban I?ll give you the blueprint for the contract of a lifetime.

$500,000 base salary
Your $1,000,000 housing allowance
$250,000 for every non-conference win in a year
$500,000 for every SEC win
$100,000 bonus for every win vs a Top 25 Team with an additional bonus of another $50,000 for every win against a Top 10 team.
Our buyout if we fire you is $750,000 per win you have that year
Your buyout to leave is double what we paid you that year.

Now to your staff budget:
We will give you full control over $5,200,000
However, any firings and subsequent buyouts come out of your next years pay. But since this might give you chill bumps with approval of the AD on each hire and amount we will be responsible for the buyouts if it doesn?t work out.

Signed,


Put your mouth where your ego is

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[Bobby Ricigliano]

What does this even mean?:

?Put your mouth where your ego is?

[WinningIsRelentless]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

People I know who run around in Lawyer circles don?t eat at Wendy?s.

[RiverCityDawg]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

Somehow, this might be your best post yet.

[WinningIsRelentless]

What does this even mean?:

?Put your mouth where your ego is?

I meant money where your ego is.

A guy who is making $900k wants $4.2MM with a staff budget of $5.8MM. That?s full of ego. I mean hell what was his record against the coach we just fired?

[JoseBrown]

If that's what Cohen is offering, then Cohen would be our next football coach.
Any word on the face to face today? Or have I missed it?

[pilldawg]

I take it the negotiations didn’t go well.

[Really Clark?]

I meant money where your ego is.

A guy who is making $900k wants $4.2MM with a staff budget of $5.8MM. That?s full of ego. I mean hell what was his record against the coach we just fired?

This doesn?t have to do anything with Napier but any new coach we get we need to be at least $5-6 MIl for assitant coaches. We have to get off the floor of this league with what we pay assistants. Napier or any other coach we are after should and I hope press for those figures

[maroonmania]

I meant money where your ego is.

A guy who is making $900k wants $4.2MM with a staff budget of $5.8MM. That?s full of ego. I mean hell what was his record against the coach we just fired?

Here were the 2019 SEC coaches salaries per SDS:

Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

So giving BN 4.2 MM would put him 5th in the SEC and $400K above what Pruitt makes at TN and $700K more than the HC in this year's NC game. On the other hand, Kiffin will make 3.9 MM in 2020 at OM so they paid up and got their guy. We are likely going to have to pay in the mid to upper 3's to get someone worth having. Heck, Morris was making 3.5 MM before he got fired and he was awful.

[defiantdog]

I take it the negotiations didn’t go well.
It's because Cohen doesn't negotiate

[maroonmania]

It's because Cohen doesn't negotiate

This is why we have to go the coordinator route EVERY TIME and will never get a successful sitting HC. Its because we are too cheap to pay the market rate even when we have the money to do so. We have NEVER in modern times hired a successful sitting HC from another D1 program. Felker, Sherrill, Croom, Mullen, Moorhead. None were sitting HCs when we hired them. Going back to Bellard he was the HC of TA&M in 1978 but resigned after 6 games. I don't remember the details surrounding that but he took the MSU job in 1979. There was a time when we literally could not afford to but that is not the case now.

[Really Clark?]

Here were the 2019 SEC coaches salaries per SDS:

Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

So giving BN 4.2 MM would put him 5th in the SEC and $400K above what Pruitt makes at TN and $700K more than the HC in this year's NC game. On the other hand, Kiffin will make 3.9 MM in 2020 at OM so they paid up and got their guy. We are likely going to have to pay in the mid to upper 3's to get someone worth having. Heck, Morris was making 3.5 MM before he got fired and he was awful.

Those numbers are old. Actually some are 2 years old. Smart and Malzhan are nearly $7 MIL, Orgeron Stoops Morris (was) and Muschamp are all $4 MIL to $4.75 MIL and O is bout to get a bump up, Mason is $3.3 MIL....$4.2 MiL would put us around 8th in the league.

[deadheaddawg]

Here were the 2019 SEC coaches salaries per SDS:

Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

So giving BN 4.2 MM would put him 5th in the SEC and $400K above what Pruitt makes at TN and $700K more than the HC in this year's NC game. On the other hand, Kiffin will make 3.9 MM in 2020 at OM so they paid up and got their guy. We are likely going to have to pay in the mid to upper 3's to get someone worth having. Heck, Morris was making 3.5 MM before he got fired and he was awful.

That list isn't accurate. It's Way off

Napier is worth over $4. Especially with the little leverage we have.

Kirby makes over $6.7 million (contract averages over $7 per year)

Malzahn $6.8

Mark stoops $4.7

Muschamp $4.4

Chad Morris $4

Odom $3

Moorhead $3

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

[WinningIsRelentless]

Here were the 2019 SEC coaches salaries per SDS:

Nick Saban, Alabama: $11,132,000
Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M: $7,500,000
Dan Mullen, Florida: $6,000,000
Gus Malzahn, Auburn: $4,725,000
Jeremy Pruitt, Tennessee: $3,800,000
Kirby Smart, Georgia: $3,753,600
Mark Stoops, Kentucky: $3,750,600
Chad Morris, Arkansas: $3,500,000
Ed Orgeron, LSU: $3,500,000
Will Muschamp, South Carolina: $3,100,000
Matt Luke, Ole Miss: $3,000,000
Derek Mason, Vanderbilt: $2,721,834
Joe Moorhead, Mississippi State: $2,700,000
Barry Odom, Missouri: $2,350,000

So giving BN 4.2 MM would put him 5th in the SEC and $400K above what Pruitt makes at TN and $700K more than the HC in this year's NC game. On the other hand, Kiffin will make 3.9 MM in 2020 at OM so they paid up and got their guy. We are likely going to have to pay in the mid to upper 3's to get someone worth having. Heck, Morris was making 3.5 MM before he got fired and he was awful.

And all BN would have to do is win the ooc games and the Arkansas, Missouri, KY and Egg Bowl to get to 3.5MM a year.

[deadheaddawg]

Is we only offered BN $3.5 I will be embarrassed. He should laugh in Cohen's face and walk out

(I don't think we would be THAT cheap)

[maroonmania]

That list isn't accurate. It's Way off

Napier is worth over $4. Especially with the little leverage we have.

Kirby makes over $6.7 million (contract averages over $7 per year)

Malzahn $6.8

Mark stoops $4.7

Muschamp $4.4

Chad Morris $4

Odom $3

Moorhead $3

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

I just pulled from the list that came up when I googled. The more up to date list makes our penny pinching even more ridiculous. The goal is not to hire someone as frugaly as possible the goal is to be successful. IF our football program is truly successful the school will make back multiple fold the little extra money spent on HC and assistant salaries. That is why I get sick when I hear Cohen consulting with LT because sometimes you have to spend some money to make money. LT never understood that and I'm wondering if JC does.

[RocketDawg]

Let me make this easy for your boss and Napier. Since he thinks he?s the next coming of Nick Saban I?ll give you the blueprint for the contract of a lifetime.

$500,000 base salary
Your $1,000,000 housing allowance
$250,000 for every non-conference win in a year
$500,000 for every SEC win
$100,000 bonus for every win vs a Top 25 Team with an additional bonus of another $50,000 for every win against a Top 10 team.
Our buyout if we fire you is $750,000 per win you have that year
Your buyout to leave is double what we paid you that year.

Now to your staff budget:
We will give you full control over $5,200,000
However, any firings and subsequent buyouts come out of your next years pay. But since this might give you chill bumps with approval of the AD on each hire and amount we will be responsible for the buyouts if it doesn?t work out.

Signed,


Put your money where your ego is

Assuming rumors are true, your approach sounds reasonable to me for a guy who's unproven. If you're as good as you think you are and demand, prove it. If Baylor or anybody else is willing to pay what you think you're worth without proof, head to Waco or wherever. You're not yet Saban or Meyer even Mullen.

[War Machine Dawg]

$4M is basically the market rate for any coach worth a damn. Pay the man the money, give him cash for a competitive staff, or get out of major CFB. Because that's price of poker now and those are the only two options. Trying to penny pinch won't get us anything better than Croom/Jughead 3.

[lastmajordog]

delete

[OLJWales]

This is why we have to go the coordinator route EVERY TIME and will never get a successful sitting HC. Its because we are too cheap to pay the market rate even when we have the money to do so. We have NEVER in modern times hired a successful sitting HC from another D1 program. Felker, Sherrill, Croom, Mullen, Moorhead. None were sitting HCs when we hired them. Going back to Bellard he was the HC of TA&M in 1978 but resigned after 6 games. I don't remember the details surrounding that but he took the MSU job in 1979. There was a time when we literally could not afford to but that is not the case now.

I'll go along with THIS; All this money rolling in and not expecting the highly sought after coaches not wanting a piece of the action is retarded thinking and even dumber when you don't offer

[maroonmania]

Is we only offered BN $3.5 I will be embarrassed. He should laugh in Cohen's face and walk out

(I don't think we would be THAT cheap)

Yes, hopefully the snag is about the housing allowance or Napier not wanting to agree to a significant buyout. Certainly hope its not on salary for Napier and staff. It wouldn't seem fair if we meet most or all of Napier's demands and then him turn around and make it easy for a school to pilfer him if he is successful.

[West Tn Dawg]

Just curious to how many of the posters here screaming to pay the man a huge amount, actually make any kind of meaningful contribution to MSU?

[Randolph Dupree]

Just curious to how many of the posters here screaming to pay the man a huge amount, actually make any kind of meaningful contribution to MSU?

Define meaningful

[Dawgology]

Just curious to how many of the posters here screaming to pay the man a huge amount, actually make any kind of meaningful contribution to MSU?

Every person that posts on here makes a meaningful contribution to State. They go to games, buy merchandise, watch games, give donations, buy tickets. Being a big money booster is great and all but without everyone else there is no program at all...or school. Every person has a voice and no ones contribution is too small.

[sbt45]

Rose just gave his evening update. Didn?t mention Napier once. You would have figured if Cohen met with him today he would have at least been informed of such. Sorry Bert

[defiantdog]

Just curious to how many of the posters here screaming to pay the man a huge amount, actually make any kind of meaningful contribution to MSU?

Yes, and you can too

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[Commercecomet24]

Every person that posts on here makes a meaningful contribution to State. They go to games, buy merchandise, watch games, give donations, buy tickets. Being a big money booster is great and all but without everyone else there is no program at all...or school. Every person has a voice and no ones contribution is too small.

This!Very well said! Me and my family been doing it for decades too!

[JoseBrown]

Rose just gave his evening update. Didn?t mention Napier once. You would have figured if Cohen met with him today he would have at least been informed of such. Sorry Bert

Just because Rosie don't post it, don't mean it didn't happen. He's just doing same thing most everyone else is doing. Asking folks he knows what they know... Cohen is not telling him anything about the search, I'm pretty confident in this.

[maroonmania]

This!Very well said! Me and my family been doing it for decades too!

Not only that but its a red herring. We HAVE the money if we want to pay it. We've actually been banking money the last few years. But for myself I am paying for one child to attend MSU plus another child at UNA. Getting my 2 season tickets plus paying my required Bulldog Club contribution is about all I can do at the moment.

[Cowbell]

Just because Rosie don't post it, don't mean it didn't happen. He's just doing same thing most everyone else is doing. Asking folks he knows what they know... Cohen is not telling him anything about the search, I'm pretty confident in this.

This. Heck they were practically naming Sark the coach last night

[Mobile Bay]

Every person that posts on here makes a meaningful contribution to State. They go to games, buy merchandise, watch games, give donations, buy tickets. Being a big money booster is great and all but without everyone else there is no program at all...or school. Every person has a voice and no ones contribution is too small.

I still owe about $55k that they already have.

[KOdawg1]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

You win. Even though we're not going to get Napier, you still win.

[Homedawg]

Just because Rosie don't post it, don't mean it didn't happen. He's just doing same thing most everyone else is doing. Asking folks he knows what they know... Cohen is not telling him anything about the search, I'm pretty confident in this.

Rosie has some sources. But most of the time he's really slow and or really off. But this time, he's right But Napier has not once been the guy. We talked that's it.

[Turfdawg67]

$4M is basically the market rate for any coach worth a damn. Pay the man the money, give him cash for a competitive staff, or get out of major CFB. Because that's price of poker now and those are the only two options. Trying to penny pinch won't get us anything better than Croom/Jughead 3.

$3.5, $4, $4.2... I don't care. Napier's base shouldn't be more than that. But hell, load it with incentives ... win more than 4 SEC games, $150K more per win. Win the SEC West $250K. Win the SEC Championship - $500K. Win a NY6 bowl game $300K. Win a Natty... $1MM.

[Commercecomet24]

Not only that but its a red herring. We HAVE the money if we want to pay it. We've actually been banking money the last few years. But for myself I am paying for one child to attend MSU plus another child at UNA. Getting my 2 season tickets plus paying my required Bulldog Club contribution is about all I can do at the moment.

I hear ya, right there with ya!I got 2 in college right now and will have a third next year. My oldest son will graduate in spring but is going on go get his masters, so I know exactly what you're talking about. And you're right money is not the issue.

[deadheaddawg]

Just curious to how many of the posters here screaming to pay the man a huge amount, actually make any kind of meaningful contribution to MSU?

That "huge" amount.....well it's market value. Chad Morris and will muschamp made over $4 million last year

I contribute to the school because I want them to be competitive.

Why should we go cheap? Why should the school pinch pennies?

As someone who contributes to the school I want them to AT LEAST pay what everyone else in the conference is paying.

[Dawgology]

I hear ya, right there with ya!I got 2 in college right now and will have a third next year. My oldest son will graduate in spring but is going on go get his masters, so I know exactly what you're talking about. And you're right money is not the issue.

As I said in a previous post you are correct. Friend in finance. Athletic department is more than fine financially.

[NaborhoodDawg]

Welp, Bert is wrong again. Paul reporting that meeting between Cohen and Napier today never happened.

[Commercecomet24]

As I said in a previous post you are correct. Friend in finance. Athletic department is more than fine financially.

Yep exactly

[KOdawg1]

Welp, Bert is wrong again. Paul reporting that meeting between Cohen and Napier today never happened.
It's funny that you and a few others get so giddy about it. Like no shit, he was wrong. It's still the most entertaining this board has been in months.

[Mjoelner34]

Welp, Bert is wrong again. Paul reporting that meeting between Cohen and Napier today never happened.

I dont read 247 but didnt I see 24 hours ago where Paul also said there was a 99.9% chance Sark would be announced today?

[Bubb Rubb]

Welp, Bert is wrong again. Paul reporting that meeting between Cohen and Napier today never happened.

That site literally hasn't been right about anything so far.

[Todd4State]

That site literally hasn't been right about anything so far.

Let's be fair. No site has been right so far.

This one has been the most entertaining by far though.

[Bubb Rubb]

Let's be fair. No site has been right so far.

This one has been the most entertaining by far though.

None of the other sites have official mouthpieces for the administration posting info behind a paywall for subscribers. They should be held to a different standard.

[Todd4State]

None of the other sites have official mouthpieces for the administration posting info behind a paywall for subscribers. They should be held to a different standard.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Because as the official mouthpiece I'm not sure what they are told to release.

I would imagine that at least some of the names are put out to gauge fan reaction. Hey I'm hearing Gene Chizik is a candidate. Fans- HELL NO! MSU administration- Yeah, uh sorry Gene.

[Bubb Rubb]

I'm not sure how I feel about that. Because as the official mouthpiece I'm not sure what they are told to release.

I would imagine that at least some of the names are put out to gauge fan reaction. Hey I'm hearing Gene Chizik is a candidate. Fans- HELL NO! MSU administration- Yeah, uh sorry Gene.

I don't disagree with you if they are just listing candidates. But they had Judge wrapped in Maroon and White (and I don't really fault them for being wrong about that one - stuff happens), and then two days later, they had Sarkisian at 99% with an announcement imminent, and now they've gone completely radio silent. They are either complicit in a misinformation campaign, or they have really bad sources. Either way, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt and would be paying as much or more attention to what they aren't saying.

[timotheus]

Why would Napier not want to bank about 17 mil over the next 4 years?

[Todd4State]

I don't disagree with you if they are just listing candidates. But they had Judge wrapped in Maroon and White (and I don't really fault them for being wrong about that one - stuff happens), and then two days later, they had Sarkisian at 99% with an announcement imminent, and now they've gone completely radio silent. They are either complicit in a misinformation campaign, or they have really bad sources. Either way, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt and would be paying as much or more attention to what they aren't saying.

Kind of makes me wonder if Cohen is pissed at them too. Seems like there is a lot of misinformation. It all seems to point back to Napier though. But who knows?


Why would Napier not want to bank about 17 mil over the next 4 years?

That's the 17 million dollar question. I can't imagine being that tied to a strength coach. Especially since the replacement is a more than suitable replacement.

[timotheus]

I still think it'll turn back to him in a few days.

[yjnkdawg]

Why would Napier not want to bank about 17 mil over the next 4 years?



I didn't understand that either. It appears on his salary and the support staff salaries that he got what he wanted. Maybe he knew that when USCE opened up that he was planning on trying to get that job , and he couldn't negotiate the buyout to his satisfaction, as it would be detrimental to that thinking. Maybe it was that he wanted to bring too many of his staff from ULL and Cohen didn't want to pay the $5.8 million (or whatever they negotiated) unless he hired more P5 assistant coaches. But who actually knows.

[Todd4State]

I didn't understand that either. It appears on his salary and the support staff salaries that he got what he wanted. Maybe he knew that when USCE opened up that he was planning on trying to get that job , and he couldn't negotiate the buyout to his satisfaction, as it would be detrimental to that thinking. Maybe it was that he wanted to bring too many of his staff from ULL and Cohen didn't want to pay the $5.8 million (or whatever they negotiated) unless he hired more P5 assistant coaches. But who actually knows.

The thing about South Carolina is they usually seem to like to hire retreads. Lou Holtz, Steve Spurrier, Will Muschamp, etc. I bet they try to go the same route next time too. Seems kind of risky to wait if you ask me. A bird in the hand...

[Tbonewannabe]

Kind of makes me wonder if Cohen is pissed at them too. Seems like there is a lot of misinformation. It all seems to point back to Napier though. But who knows?



That's the 17 million dollar question. I can't imagine being that tied to a strength coach. Especially since the replacement is a more than suitable replacement.

Most head coaches say that is the most important hire so maybe he thinks that Cohen forcing someone on him at that position is a red flag about how much control he would have in his program. That is the only thing I could think of why you would turn down a $3 Mil per year raise. Along with the buyout being an issue if that is the case. Of course if the buyout was a big issue then that is a red flag to Cohen that if he is actually successful then he plans to leave before 4 years are up.

[1bigdawg]

Napier is worth over $4. Especially with the little leverage we have.


What leverage does he have? We can go with Sark any day and he is at least as proven as Napier. Napier has one option to get to the big leagues this year - and that is MSU.

[1bigdawg]

Maybe he knew that when USCE opened up that he was planning on trying to get that job.

He was also planning on getting the Baylor job. MSU is open and interviewing him now. We have choices; he has only one sure shot and we are it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Would it be too hard to low-jack cohen's car? Doesn't seem that hard. Bug his office too while we are at it. Seems too simple.

[Coursesuper]

What leverage does he have? We can go with Sark any day and he is at least as proven as Napier. Napier has one option to get to the big leagues this year - and that is MSU.

The leverage to tell Cohen to hit the road I'll wait for the next opportunity.