I think we may be making a change...

[Cowbell]

Realism is realizing that he hasn't done anything to improve our program to this point and realizing his offense doesn't work and realizing our culture has gone downhill and realizing that the fan base is no longer going to spend money and go to games like they have the last decade. You are not a Realist. You are a traditionalist. Big difference.

[TrapGame]

Any truth to the rumor Joe told Cohen to go pound sand on some of the staff changes?

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

We're not firing a coach at this point without knowing who the next coach will be. We'll already have an agreement in place if the trigger is pulled

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

[maroonmania]

And this is why I'm confident he's gone. You can't have a fanbase genuinely loathe the head coach on a personal level.

That EB press conference was horrible for JM's fan support. I truly liked the guy until that PC but I tolerate him now. To beat a 4-7 bad OM team by 1 point on your home field when you are at full strength for one of the few times during the year primarily due to an idiotic action of an OM player is not the time to puff out your chest and talk down to your fanbase about how great you and your program are acting like you just won an SEC title or something.

[dantheman4248]

Difference between a life contract and a work contract.

Contractors aren't performing their job properly, they get let go.

But if you wanna put it as a marriage analogy, after the initial honey moon wore off the two of you have been at odds ever since for 2 years. At some point you gotta call it quits before you do something irreversible (have a kid). Some women may turn down a man who was divorced but others see it as one who knows what he wants and has the capacity to be married.


If us firing a coach for poor performance scares off a future coach, then I don't want him. I want a guy who isn't scared of failing period. It actually helps my coaching search at that point because then I don't have to worry about another JoMo type who is doing everything he can to not get fired except actually being a good coach.

[PMDawg]

It certainly isn't looking great right now. Given the schedule next season, I think he could have some success and end up with a winning record. If we have another season like this one ( suspensions, unpreparedness, etc.) I will feel like we have given him a fair shake, and will support making a change.

All I can say is I'm glad you have zero say in the situation.

[BeardoMSU]

Any truth to the rumor Joe told Cohen to go pound sand on some of the staff changes?

Hitler not remembering Napoleon's mistake.....Joe not remembering Croom's mistake.**

[Really Clark?]

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

He didn’t hire Farrar.

[maroonmania]

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

IF it was going to be Napier before I don't see any reason it couldn't be Napier now. Not a lot has changed in the situation other than a little over a month has passed. In fact, Napier should appreciate the fact that after sneaking out an EB victory we stuck with JM to give him another chance to prove he should be the guy going forward. In fact, the only coaches that things have really changed for are those that have already accepted other jobs.

[Percho]

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

He did not hire Barney Farrar

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Stop and look at what you are typing. This is where you want our program?

It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.

If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.

And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.

Does hud coach at Jones c.c.

[bobtail bob]

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

[BeardoMSU]

Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season

Uh...it was more than that, lol. It elevated our brand in ways you can't put a price on. Did it end in us winning the rock? No, but its a major reason why I've got students all the **** way up here in Massachusetts who know what MSU is....

[Dawg_Lover]

Don’t suppose I could be lucky enough to see both JoMo & Jason Garrett exit at the same time. Yeah, I know, better chance of shark attack on freeway .... yada, yada, yada.
But I still hold on to hope.

[Todd4State]

Because I don't think we are in a position to fire coaches after 2 years that have a winning record (This is a fact).

It's true that I do not like where the program seems to be headed, but from an outsider's perspective it really doesn't seem like he has done all that bad.Maybe a little underwhelming, but not a complete disaster. It could discourage future coaching candidates by making them believe that the fan base's expectations are too high.

If he continues to digress I would be in favor of letting him go next season.

The biggest difference is it's not just about won/loss record. The fight and things like that off the field are embarrassing to the University and reflect a lack of control off the field. And if my math is correct he's only 14-12 so it's not like we're talking about firing Allyn McKeen here. Cann and Stansbury both had winning records at MSU and both were fired after off the field incidents occurred. And Stansbury had built up at least 10x more equity than Joe has. I think the suspensions in general- not just Tutor Gate or even just Shrader and Gay- are the actual tipping point here. I outlined it last night. Every position group except TE has had at least one player suspended for one matter or another. Tutor Gate was really actually only HALF of it- which says a lot considering how many were involved in that one incident alone.

And let's all be honest here- most of us would have suspended Gay for the Music City Bowl if we were in Joe's shoes. I sure as hell would have suspended Gay and Shrader for one game at a minimum. And if I was in a bad mood I would have told them to donate their bowl gifts to charity. Some may consider that over the top but I guarantee you that everybody on the team would think twice about fighting anyone after that.

We are by far the most disorganized team in the SEC I have seen this year. Heck- even the highlight of the year began because of a bust in coverage which was in part because of a lack of discipline.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

He didn’t hire Farrar.

Who am I thinking about ? Saunders? Whoever left them on probation

[KB21]

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

[BeardoMSU]

Who am I thinking about ? Saunders? Whoever left them on probation

Saunders, correct.

[maroonmania]

The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .

I didn't get that at all. He in fact stated that JM's dismissal is a distinct possibility. SR is never going to say that our coach is absolutely going to be let go until the university has already announced such a thing.

[ShotgunDawg]

You know how you don't fire people after two years?

You hire better coaches. You make damn well that the people you hire are ready and proven for the position.

We are an SEC 17ing West Football program. You act like.

I find it funny how people still want to chase the shiny object with a coach like Joe Brady who clearly isn't experienced enough or ready for the job. You simply cannot do that.

[OLJWales]

I do not like the direction the program is head and I do think Moorhead should get another year.

Maybe putting some ice cream on this hot pile of steaming shit next year will make it more palatable.

[dawgday166]

Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

[maroonmania]

The biggest difference is it's not just about won/loss record. The fight and things like that off the field are embarrassing to the University and reflect a lack of control off the field. And if my math is correct he's only 14-12 so it's not like we're talking about firing Allyn McKeen here. Cann and Stansbury both had winning records at MSU and both were fired after off the field incidents occurred. And Stansbury had built up at least 10x more equity than Joe has. I think the suspensions in general- not just Tutor Gate or even just Shrader and Gay- are the actual tipping point here. I outlined it last night. Every position group except TE has had at least one player suspended for one matter or another. Tutor Gate was really actually only HALF of it- which says a lot considering how many were involved in that one incident alone.

And let's all be honest here- most of us would have suspended Gay for the Music City Bowl if we were in Joe's shoes. I sure as hell would have suspended Gay and Shrader for one game at a minimum. And if I was in a bad mood I would have told them to donate their bowl gifts to charity. Some may consider that over the top but I guarantee you that everybody on the team would think twice about fighting anyone after that.

We are by far the most disorganized team in the SEC I have seen this year. Heck- even the highlight of the year began because of a bust in coverage which was in part because of a lack of discipline.

Exactly, with Croom I felt we were poorly coached and had very little SEC level talent but never felt the culture of the program was decaying. In fact, Croom restored a lot of the culture within the program lost during the final years of JWS. I do appreciate him for that even though I thought when he showed up he ran off many more players than he should have.

[TUSK]

Uh...it was more than that, lol. It elevated our brand in ways you can't put a price on. Did it end in us winning the rock? No, but its a major reason why I've got students all the **** way up here in Massachusetts who know what MSU is....

Massafrigginchusetts????!!!! Who tha eff drug your Southern ass all the way up there?

I've got your file under review***

[BeardoMSU]

Maybe putting some ice cream on this hot pile of steaming shit next year it will be more palatable

Probably just hedging.

[bobtail bob]

Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.

Oh sure he ripped jughead a little but he is appeasing the masses .Then he added that part about the assistants being changed for sure. That was planting the seed per his controllers.
I'm a little bit of a cynic, So I could be wrong . I still have the question though, Why won't they fire this program killer ?

[DeputyDawg94]

With that thin of skin, he might as well coach Upward Basketball or something in that vein, lol.

Have you ever coached upwards basketball? Them mommas and grandmommas ain?t playing that crap***

[mstatefan91]

I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

which says a lot because he is the sunshine pumper of all sunshine pumpers when it comes to MSU athletics.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Moorhead was just a bad hire. Mullen was a great hire. Both were coordinators. Again, I really think it's a moot point, but I'm just saying I personally would be pumped with Brady.

I have concerns about Naiper's system. His track record as a head coach isn't that long. Bill Clark is kind of a boring hire. Hud is where he needs to be. We probably aren't stealing another Power 5 head coach.

Bill Clark is a winner. He can coach circles around Moorhead and is a great motivator. UAB plays hard every single snap

[PMDawg]

Exactly, with Croom I felt we were poorly coached and had very little SEC level talent but never felt the culture of the program was decaying. In fact, Croom restored a lot of the culture within the program lost during the final years of JWS. I do appreciate him for that even though I thought when he showed up he ran off many more players than he should have.

Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

[dantheman4248]

Have you ever coached upwards basketball? Them mommas and grandmommas ain?t playing that crap***

The younger you go, the worse the parents are. Source: Have umpired tball one game. Stuck to Babe Ruth after that.

[Cowbell]

He gone guys. Rosebowl all but said it. My gosh read between the lines a little. He gave every possible reason for a change of heart since the egg bowl and said every department with the football team would see coaching changes. It would be the first time an entire staff left except for the HC.
ETA - he even tried to smooth over his own change of position since he took up for JM 3 weeks ago. Told everybody we have to do what's best for the program going forward.

[BeardoMSU]

Massafrigginchusetts????!!!! Who tha eff drug your Southern ass all the way up there?

I've got your file under review***

Working on Warren's campaign. Why do you think she's doing so well?**

[maroonmania]

I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.

Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

[maroonmania]

Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

Revisionist? You are joking right? Of all of the criticisms of Croom, I've never heard anyone say he ran a lax or undisciplined program at MSU.

[mstatefan91]

Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

SR is not one to talk negatively about MSU coaches in any way.. it is telling to me for sure.

[Rex54]

Oh sure he ripped jughead a little but he is appeasing the masses .Then he added that part about the assistants being changed for sure. That was planting the seed per his controllers.
I'm a little bit of a cynic, So I could be wrong . I still have the question though, Why won't they fire this program killer ?

I'm of the opinion it was a trial balloon to see if we would accept just the assistant changes (we won't)

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Oh gosh, not this stupid garbage revisionist history again.

For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

[TrapGame]

Like I said, SR is NOT going to come out saying a HC change is being made and then have to go back and retract that if things all fall through and JM is still here. That would put him in a really bad light and would make things very awkward should he have to deal with JM next season. Just the fact he is saying that a HC change is a distinct possibility now when just a couple of weeks ago he was saying JM would absolutely be the coach in the 2020 season is pretty telling.

Yep, he was saying Joe is 100% safe three weeks ago. Now after Fightgate, Bowl Debacle #2 and I think some heated conversations about staff changes it looks like Joe may be done.

[ShotgunDawg]

You people look at Steve's opinions incorrectly.

- You don't listen to Steve Robertson because you care about what he actually thinks.

- You listen to Steve Robertson to see what he is willing to say. It's pretty well established that Steve has inside info & will only say what he is allowed to say. He will toe the party line until the party like changes.

Thus it's a waste to time to say "well, he said this 3 weeks ago, etc" It's only important what he is saying at the moment because that's what is likely to happen.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If we make a change, it's likely Hud.

If it is, we will be a lot tougher than we were this year. At minimum we wont be soft and we wont run from anyone. Hud is a hardass coach. I dont think its a home run but its a good fit

[KB21]

Yep, he was saying Joe is 100% safe three weeks ago. Now after Fightgate, Bowl Debacle #2 and I think some heated conversations about staff changes it looks like Joe may be done.

This is just my interpretation, but Steve went all in on criticizing the job that Joe has done to this point. If Joe stays, he’s not going to let that go. Steve doesn’t typically do that, which makes me think he’s heard some talk.

[Todd4State]

He gone guys. Rosebowl all but said it. My gosh read between the lines a little. He gave every possible reason for a change of heart since the egg bowl and said every department with the football team would see coaching changes. It would be the first time an entire staff left except for the HC.
ETA - he even tried to smooth over his own change of position since he took up for JM 3 weeks ago. Told everybody we have to do what's best for the program going forward.

Reading between the lines...

There will probably be a meeting this week to decide Joe's fate.

And either Joe will go or he will stay and we'll hire a bunch of new assistants.

Either way Rosebowl can make it look like whatever happens he was right.

He's probably speculating that Joe will be gone though but gave himself enough wiggle room if it doesn't happen.

[TrapGame]

You people look at Steve's opinions incorrectly.

- You don't listen to Steve Robertson because you care about what he actually thinks.

- You listen to Steve Robertson to see what he is willing to say. It's pretty well established that Steve has inside info & will only say what he is allowed to say. He will toe the party line until the party like changes.

Thus it's a waste to time to say "well, he said this 3 weeks ago, etc" It's only important what he is saying at the moment because that's what is likely to happen.

Makes sense.

[OLJWales]

It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

I prefer cigars over rock kicking.

[mstatefan91]

Reading between the lines...

There will probably be a meeting this week to decide Joe's fate.

And either Joe will go or he will stay and we'll hire a bunch of new assistants.

Either way Rosebowl can make it look like whatever happens he was right.

He's probably speculating that Joe will be gone though but gave himself enough wiggle room if it doesn't happen.

Steve also typically just comes out and says if status quo is status quo.. the fact that he wouldn't... there's definitely smoke.

[Todd4State]

This is just my interpretation, but Steve went all in on criticizing the job that Joe has done to this point. If Joe stays, he’s not going to let that go. Steve doesn’t typically do that, which makes me think he’s heard some talk.

This is true. And MSU has been a lot harder on the media this year than ever before. See Tyler Horka's slam piece on Michael Story one year after that incident occurred. MSU basically shut off the media the entire year for the most part as far as practice goes.

[Randolph Dupree]

I'm not guaranteeing anything- but I'm really getting the vibe a change may be happening. Between Rosey's criticism and a rumor I got passed- I think we may do what needs to be done.

FWIW I have always been under the impression that if things went south for the bowl game that the 'extension' wasn't going to happen. Nobody told me that outright, but just had and still have that feeling. Hoping it comes through. Can't imagine anyone thinking we are on the right track.

It wouldn't be a bad time to make the change. Recruiting class is mostly done (we might lose one or two but would've probably lost more if we change after the egg bowl). Coaching conference is right around the corner so it's a good time to put together a staff.

[Todd4State]

Steve also typically just comes out and says if status quo is status quo.. the fact that he wouldn't... there's definitely smoke.

I think there is definitely some smoke. I just think that the meeting hasn't happened yet so nothing is official at this point.

[Todd4State]

FWIW I have always been under the impression that if things went south for the bowl game that the 'extension' wasn't going to happen. Nobody told me that outright, but just had and still have that feeling. Hoping it comes through. Can't imagine anyone thinking we are on the right track.

It wouldn't be a bad time to make the change. Recruiting class is mostly done (we might lose one or two but would've probably lost more if we change after the egg bowl). Coaching conference is right around the corner so it's a good time to put together a staff.

Also- it's not uncommon for the NFL to hire college coaches around this time and it essentially starts a second hiring season. People like Mark Helfrich just became available if we were looking at an OC for example.

[maroonmania]

For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

Look, I'm no Croom defender so I'm not going to fight anyone on this, but all I've ever seen, heard and understood over the years from those who should know (and I certainly have had no inside access myself to our program at any time) was that by the time Jackie left things had gotten really bad within the program. Croom seemed to improve that while here and I thought Mullen even acknowledged that when he took over. Now that certainly doesn't mean that we didn't have some issues even during Croom's time. When you are talking about 100 athletes in the program over a number of years, not all are going to behave like they should all the time. If what I've perceived over the years regarding Croom's program is wrong, so be it. Either way, I was very happy when we let him go because he was never going to win.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.

Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.

16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

[mstatefan91]

16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

Difference between this team and the '16 team is that at the end of '16 I felt like '17 would be a special year (and it mostly was). I feel like next year under JoMo is going to be mostly the same.. with less wins.

[KB21]

Also- it's not uncommon for the NFL to hire college coaches around this time and it essentially starts a second hiring season. People like Mark Helfrich just became available if we were looking at an OC for example.

Harry Hiestand as OL coach as well.

[maroonmania]

16 was a bad year but it was no where near the cluster 18 and 19 were. Mullen ruined 16 at the end of 15. He mishandled that year but that team did get better as it went and the culture was still good.

Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.

[CadaverDawg]

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.

Right. To compare Moorhead and Mullen is just ignorant unless you're showing how bad Jo is

[defiantdog]

Last part of Mullen's tenure he pissed away a number of November games trying to find a higher profile job. Very few MSU fans ever wanted Mullen gone outside of the fact that Mullen made it clear he had no intention of staying.
He almost and should've beat Bama that November. Best game plan I've ever seen him throw out there. Mullen wasn't gone until right before the egg bowl.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I said it the week of the egg bowl, but watch for mark dantonio. Would be a HR

[OLJWales]

For real...Croom was the worst. I guess the "culture" he is referring to is multiple players firing pistols on campus.

You gotta be bus driver Kinard. gotta be. I bet that's your actual house with you playing the back legs part sniffing front leg dude's ass,

[Commercecomet24]

Here's to hoping we're gonna start the new year off right!

[CadaverDawg]

I said it the week of the egg bowl, but watch for mark dantonio. Would be a HR

Most will say he's too old and they wouldn't want him....and personally I don't think he'd be my choice....BUT, one thing we have always recruited well is defense, and that dude can coach some damn defense. I would be absolutely floored if we went that route though. Does he have any ties to the South? Wasn't he having health issues? How old is he? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions, but would want to know.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Difference between this team and the '16 team is that at the end of '16 I felt like '17 would be a special year (and it mostly was). I feel like next year under JoMo is going to be mostly the same.. with less wins.

Why because of the Egg Bowl?

We sucked in 16. We were 2-5 at one point and were on our way to 3-9 before a fluke win against A&M. We also gave up huge point totals to UMASS and Samford. We lost to Arkansas at home (One of 13 total SEC wins for Arkansas since Petrino left) in a game where they never punted. Lastly we got embarrassed 51-3 at Alabama. It was certainly looking special until we turned it all around in the EB....

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/O5HYngvOpI_igzv8v898izk1kdc=/0x0:2172x1188/1400x1400/filters:focal(728x283:1074x629):format(png)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/52011853/Screen_Shot_2016_11_26_at_8.30.13_PM.0.png

We also had to block a field goal at the end of regulation to beat Miami of Ohio in our bowl game.

[Behrdawg]

I keep hearing this so I?m assuming we have a prominent booster that doesn?t like him. That?s is sad if the case but not surprising since we have boosters still supporting JoMo. It appears some of them are raging morons.

Too many skeletons in the closet.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Most will say he's too old and they wouldn't want him....and personally I don't think he'd be my choice....BUT, one thing we have always recruited well is defense, and that dude can coach some damn defense. I would be absolutely floored if we went that route though. Does he have any ties to the South? Wasn't he having health issues? How old is he? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions, but would want to know.

It was just about a given that the bowl the other day was his last ride at Sparty. He is a hell of a coach and we would have no culture problem. The connections would be a hill to climb but he is a winner. And winners win

[BeardoMSU]

Here's to hoping we're gonna start the new year off right!

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[Lloyd Christmas]

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

I hate how believable this is.

[dantheman4248]

Why because of the Egg Bowl?

We sucked in 16. We were 2-5 at one point and were on our way to 3-9 before a fluke win against A&M. We also gave up huge point totals to UMASS and Samford. We lost to Arkansas at home (One of 13 total SEC wins for Arkansas since Petrino left) in a game where they never punted. Lastly we got embarrassed 51-3 at Alabama. It was certainly looking special until we turned it all around in the EB....

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We also had to block a field goal at the end of regulation to beat Miami of Ohio in our bowl game.

Defense was what killed us that year. Flip flopping on QB cost us at the start of the year (USA and LSU). Then defense made us have some putrid showings. Once we hired Grantham I felt like 2017 could be really good. We had settled on our QB and had begun righting the ship with our staff changes. Our HC knew there was an issue and fixed them.

This guy doesn't think there is any issues and doesn't have any plans to fix them. Hell, he hasn't even fired Joey Jones yet.

[maroonmania]

He almost and should've beat Bama that November. Best game plan I've ever seen him throw out there. Mullen wasn't gone until right before the egg bowl.

We almost certainly beat AL that year without the screw job we got from the SEC officials.

[mstatefan91]

Why because of the Egg Bowl?

We sucked in 16. We were 2-5 at one point and were on our way to 3-9 before a fluke win against A&M. We also gave up huge point totals to UMASS and Samford. We lost to Arkansas at home (One of 13 total SEC wins for Arkansas since Petrino left) in a game where they never punted. Lastly we got embarrassed 51-3 at Alabama. It was certainly looking special until we turned it all around in the EB....

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We also had to block a field goal at the end of regulation to beat Miami of Ohio in our bowl game.

No. Because I saw what was on our roster and I knew what our coaches were capable of from previous years... but please do continue putting words in my mouth

[NCDawg]

Harry Hiestand as OL coach as well.

We really need a top notch OL coach. LSU was wise hiring that NFL OL coach. I'm sure they paid a lot of money for him but it was a smart thing to do. They have a really good OL.

[PMDawg]

Revisionist? You are joking right? Of all of the criticisms of Croom, I've never heard anyone say he ran a lax or undisciplined program at MSU.

LMAO! Then you haven't been listening.

[mstatefan91]

I personally know quite a few people who are not renewing season tickets if JoMo is the head man.. these are people that have been season ticket holders through the Croom years.. excitement and enthusiasm for MSU football is at an all time low and the common denominator is JoMo. Cohen/Keenum know that football is the lifeblood of our athletic programs.. so ask yourself, would you be willing to bank the future of Mississippi State athletics on a coach that told the people that pay the bills to pound sand and kick rocks?

I know my answer and I hope Cohen sees it through. We will see.. if something isn't done by Friday beyond assistant changes, expect a lot of empty seats in 2020.

[DogsofAnarchy]

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

If our administration elects to keep Moorhead then we will absolutely know what has to be done when he fails next November. It won’t be only Moorhead who has to be fired. We cannot afford to sacrifice 2020. If the administration does that then some of them will have to go. I said it before, keep him now and the entire College Football Fraternity will know we aren’t serious about football. He MUST be replaced.

At this point anyone would be better. The people on your list are good ones!! And any of them would do well here.

[maroonmania]

LMAO! Then you haven't been listening.

LMAO as well! Listened to tons of MSU folks on this over the years. Apparently though, you are the end all be all opinion on Croom's program so I should have only listened to you. Didn't realize that.

[Noxdog]

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.


Except scratch those last 2 names off the list.

I'm good with Napier but I think Fritz with Will Hall would be a HR.

[PMDawg]

LMAO as well! Listened to tons of MSU folks on this over the years. Apparently though, you are the end all be all opinion on Croom's program so I should have only listened to you. Didn't realize that.

Sure bud.

[CoachT14]

Give me any of the following guys....

Fritz
Napier
Clark
Hudspeth

I think we would do well with any of them, and I think we could get any of them if we wanted them.

But at the end of the day, just having a coach NOT named Joe Moorhead will suffice.

I'll believe the JoMo Shit Show is gone when I see it. My guess is they meet, our fans get fired up thinking a change is coming, and they allow him to make tons of staff changes and keep his job. We fire him in November of 20.

To me first calls have to be to several P5 guys just to kick the tires and see what goes down. Examples:
1. Urban Meyer
2. PJ Fleck
3. Scott Satterfield
4. Chris Klieman
5. Neal Brown
6. Dave Clawson

Now, I realize these are extremely unrealistic candidates, but I wanted to say if it were me, those are my first phone calls to gauge what it might take. Because if you can get those guys, you get those guys.

Now realistically speaking, the next phone calls must go to some candidates either from G5 schools or possibly even some former P5 coaching guys who are now OC/DC's somewhere. This would be my order of phone calls.

1. Billy Napier
2. Bill Clark
3. Will Healy
4. Willie Fritz
5. Steve Sarkisian
6. Bryan Harsin

Now if that doesn't work at all.

1. Mark Hudspeth
2. Gene Chizik
3. Joe Brady
4. Skip Holtz
5. Blake Anderson

[Noxdog]

Too many skeletons in the closet.

THIS.

[Spiderman]

Revisionist? You are joking right? Of all of the criticisms of Croom, I've never heard anyone say he ran a lax or undisciplined program at MSU.

You want to see a culture change? It was Mullen cleaning up the Croom disaster. You should talk to the people that were on that first Mullen staff. It was a joke what they inherited, every aspect of the football operations.

[PMDawg]

You want to see a culture change? It was Mullen cleaning up the Croom disaster. You should talk to the people that were on that first Mullen staff. It was a joke what they inherited, every aspect of the football operations.

Correct.

[msbulldog]

Working on Warren's campaign. Why do you think she's doing so well?**

I hope you're not in charge of fund-raising Beardo, she's going broke.

[lefty96]

You know how you don't fire people after two years?

You hire better coaches. You make damn well that the people you hire are ready and proven for the position.

We are an SEC 17ing West Football program. You act like.

I find it funny how people still want to chase the shiny object with a coach like Joe Brady who clearly isn't experienced enough or ready for the job. You simply cannot do that.


our spot is about like what Arkansas was in - no one is going to crow when we fire someone that has under performed to this level.