I'm hearing that Cohen..

[HoopsDawg]

is "forcing" Joe to hire an offensive coordinator. I put forcing in quotations b/c I think Joe has agreed to that move. I guess they are hoping that will calm the base, but it doesn't solve our culture problem.

[dawgday166]

Big whoop. Not only won't solve our culture problem but won't solve our offensive issues either.

[Todd4State]

Whatever changes he makes better work. Like he needs to go 10-3 with a bowl win next year.

[BeardoMSU]

Wunderbar...

[HoopsDawg]

We are more than likely going to have a new S&C which may help with the culture.

[Quaoarsking]

Pointless. This will satisfy no one. How are the powers that be THIS incompetent at reading the fanbase?

[dawgday166]

I'm more trying to figure out how Cohen, as an ex-coach, can't imagine how he would've felt having a new pitching coach shoved down his throat.

[msstate7]

When you start forcing coaches to change things, you have the wrong guy. Just fire him

[Rex54]

Nothing except his removal is acceptable

[msstate7]

I'm more trying to figure out how Cohen, as an ex-coach, can't imagine how he would've felt having a new pitching coach shoved down his throat.

Maybe he's hoping joe say F this and moves on

[msudawg1200]

Ok, he might have to hire a guy who calls the plays that Sloppy tells him to. Solves nothing.

[msbulldog]

I don't care what changes they make, my rock kicker is broke. Fire Joe Moorhead, this school, this program, this football team does not belong to him, 17 him.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm more trying to figure out how Cohen, as an ex-coach, can't imagine how he would've felt having a new pitching coach shoved down his throat.

Cohen could have gone somewhere else and been a head coach. Joe can't.

Think about it if you're Joe. You get to remain an SEC head coach and rake in over 3 million per year. And you can still influence the offense.

[Todd4State]

Big whoop. Not only won't solve our culture problem but won't solve our offensive issues either.

Yeah. I want to hear he intends to fix that.

[Coach34]

So we are going to force a guy that considers himself an offensive guru to hire an OC? Sure- he will probably hire his buddy who just got fired as the OL coach at Penn State and make him OC to get him a big payday. And then we run the same shit we did this year.

You arent going to make a coach in his early- to mid 40's give up his passion. We are going to run JoVester's O in 2020. Our best hope is we have someone come in that has some ideas on the run game he will listen to.

[dawgday166]

Maybe he's hoping joe say F this and moves on

I'm not optimistic but maybe he trying the "get rid of Sylvester" approach. You know, I was ready for Croom to go but I liked the guy and felt bad for him in a way. I can't stand this asswipe.

[timotheus]

I heard the same thing today as well. The same guy with connections also told me that Joe as gone whether he won or lost the egg bowl so call me very tentative.

[dawgday166]

Cohen could have gone somewhere else and been a head coach. Joe can't.

Think about it if you're Joe. You get to remain an SEC head coach and rake in over 3 million per year. And you can still influence the offense.

I was coming at it from a different angle. IF Cohen had no other choice, I think he would've hated like hell to be told how to choose his staff. And wouldn't paid a dime's worth of attention to the pitching coach forced on him.

[Todd4State]

When you start forcing coaches to change things, you have the wrong guy. Just fire him

Dan came here with an understanding that Hud would be on staff. And Hud was hired by Byrne.

Coaches are looking at Orgeron and are going to be more willing to delegate control. Coach O probably isn't really a better c and o's guy than he was at Ole Miss. The difference is now Coach O allows his assistants to do his job better. Arkansas is now following the exact same model and Ole Miss maximized their success with a shitty team following that model as well.

[OLJWales]

When you start forcing coaches to change things, you have the wrong guy. Just fire him

This.

[Todd4State]

So we are going to force a guy that considers himself an offensive guru to hire an OC? Sure- he will probably hire his buddy who just got fired as the OL coach at Penn State and make him OC to get him a big payday. And then we run the same shit we did this year.

You arent going to make a coach in his early- to mid 40's give up his passion. We are going to run JoVester's O in 2020. Our best hope is we have someone come in that has some ideas on the run game he will listen to.

Exactly. Or the TE coach from Penn State that called plays for them in the bowl game. Anyone thinking we will change schemes next year is mistaken. We'll bring in one of his guys which is why he's Ok with it in the first place.

[Cowbell]

When you start forcing coaches to change things, you have the wrong guy. Just fire him
Yes, exactly. It's time to fire Cohen.

[Todd4State]

I'm not optimistic but maybe he trying the "get rid of Sylvester" approach. You know, I was ready for Croom to go but I liked the guy and felt bad for him in a way. I can't stand this asswipe.

That's different because Byrne told Croom to not only hire a different OC but to run a different scheme. Cohen's just telling him to get an OC per rumor.

[OLJWales]

17 this shit. I keep lurking around hoping for something that would be inspirational, like Cohen having a 17ing sack , common sense & dedication to making the program better. I assumed that was what an AD was supposed to do. I'll keep hoping that maybe soon I'll log in and see some good shit with some exclamation points. I need a Joe is fired / waiting on Napier thread. This is what shit tastes like.

[dawgday166]

That's different because Byrne told Croom to not only hire a different OC but to run a different scheme. Cohen's just telling him to get an OC per rumor.

So we get exactly what C34 says. I thought Breiner was the resident genius in waiting to help Joe with his offense. Just another one of his guys.

[TrapGame]

You're telling an offensive guru he needs an offensive coordinator. That's like telling a porn star she needs a body double.

Fire his ass and be done with it.

[Todd4State]

So we get exactly what C34 says. I thought Breiner was the resident genius in waiting to help Joe with his offense. Just another one of his guys.

I think that's some of the problem with the offense. He couldn't bring in a Joe Brady, Ricky Rahne, or Tyler Bowen that he could trust as a part time play caller.

[parabrave]

When you start forcing coaches to change things, you have the wrong guy. Just fire him

All day long. Esp when the coach will give you and the fan base the middle finger and tell you to cough./

[HoopsDawg]

You're telling an offensive guru he needs an offensive coordinator. That's like telling a porn star she needs a body double.

Fire his ass and be done with it.

Cohen called him a guru. Cohen also laid out who we were going to hire as a baseball coach. Cohen says a lot of things.

By the way, I agree with you of course. I just don't think it's going to happen unless something changes in the next 24 hours.

[Coursesuper]

I heard this a month ago. We will see if the name I heard is the one it turns out to be.

[HailStateSZN19]

I heard this a month ago. We will see if the name I heard is the one it turns out to be.

Any hints you can drop on the name?

[msstate7]

I heard this a month ago. We will see if the name I heard is the one it turns out to be.

Buzz lightyear's friend, and he coached here before

[gtowndawg]

I'm to the point where I think Cohen is just a total dumbass to be honest.

[Mjoelner34]

Buzz lightyear's friend, and he coached here before

LOL! May as well be him as long as Shitshow Joe is in charge.

[runwildjerious]

Well, they hear us. Too bad they won’t listen.

Per Everett Kennard on Twitter (@dogbusdriver):
Each tweet I write shows my name. As I read some very harsh, hurtful tweets about Coach Morehead and John Cohen, I see most are posted by anonymous twitter handles. MAN UP! It’s easy to hide in gutless anonymity. Show your name. I’d like to know who you are.

Hate to break it to them but these anonymous handles are very real fans that have put up with a lot throughout the years. Most of us are just tired of that poor old Mississippi State attitude.

[Irondawg]

I?d call Kellen Moore. I know some folks didn?t like what he did with the boys but they had some good moments and he could be a coach in waiting type as well

[Todd4State]

Well, they hear us. Too bad they won’t listen.

Per Everett Kennard on Twitter (@dogbusdriver):
Each tweet I write shows my name. As I read some very harsh, hurtful tweets about Coach Morehead and John Cohen, I see most are posted by anonymous twitter handles. MAN UP! It’s easy to hide in gutless anonymity. Show your name. I’d like to know who you are.

Hate to break it to them but these anonymous handles are very real fans that have put up with a lot throughout the years. Most of us are just tired of that poor old Mississippi State attitude.

Everett Kennard is the biggest redneck on campus.

[gtowndawg]

Well, they hear us. Too bad they won?t listen.

Per Everett Kennard on Twitter (@dogbusdriver):
Each tweet I write shows my name. As I read some very harsh, hurtful tweets about Coach Morehead and John Cohen, I see most are posted by anonymous twitter handles. MAN UP! It?s easy to hide in gutless anonymity. Show your name. I?d like to know who you are.

Hate to break it to them but these anonymous handles are very real fans that have put up with a lot throughout the years. Most of us are just tired of that poor old Mississippi State attitude.

I saw that idiot (Everett) almost get into a physical fight with a mentally handicapped man at a State v Memphis women's game back when Latoya Thomas played. It was at the Memphis field house. Yeah the Memphis handicapped guy was loud and cheering obnoxiously for Memphis but the bus driver got in his face until the Memphis fan was told to move to the other side of the gym. But I repeat, he was full on mentally handicapped! Nobody in their right mind would care, but Ole tough guy Everett wasn't having any of it and was ready to whip this poor guys butt. Ever since then I just roll my eyes at that guy.

I just roll my eyes at that guy.

[Cowbell]

I?d call Kellen Moore. I know some folks didn?t like what he did with the boys but they had some good moments and he could be a coach in waiting type as well

He would be another guy that wouldn't understand the SEC culture

[BeardoMSU]

Everett Kennard is the biggest redneck on campus.

He is a giant entitled douche. **** him.

[runwildjerious]

He would be another guy that wouldn't understand the SEC culture

And he would bolt to Boise State at the first opportunity. We need someone that fits our culture. We don’t need a hot shot OC (which definitely doesn’t include Moore), or the flavor of the month. We need someone that fits us.

[Todd4State]

I saw that idiot (Everett) almost get into a physical fight with a mentally handicapped man at a State v Memphis women's game back when Latoya Thomas played. It was at the Memphis field house. Yeah the Memphis handicapped guy was loud and cheering obnoxiously for Memphis but the bus driver got in his face until the Memphis fan was told to move to the other side of the gym. But I repeat, he was full on mentally handicapped! Nobody in their right mind would care, but Ole tough guy Everett wasn't having any of it and was ready to whip this poor guys butt. Ever since then I just roll my eyes at that guy.

That's horrible. I go to watch us on the road all the time and to have a problem with a fan cheering for their team in their stadium is over the top.

[BeardoMSU]

I saw that idiot (Everett) almost get into a physical fight with a mentally handicapped man at a State v Memphis women's game back when Latoya Thomas played. It was at the Memphis field house. Yeah the Memphis handicapped guy was loud and cheering obnoxiously for Memphis but the bus driver got in his face until the Memphis fan was told to move to the other side of the gym. But I repeat, he was full on mentally handicapped! Nobody in their right mind would care, but Ole tough guy Everett wasn't having any of it and was ready to whip this poor guys butt. Ever since then I just roll my eyes at that guy.

I've personally seen him try and bully FMB members for nothing other than inconveniencing him. He's the literal example of a person who doesn't know just how small and insignificant he actually is.

[Todd4State]

He is a giant entitled douche. **** him.

Yeah. Like driving a bus is some magical power.

[Quaoarsking]

When I was in basketball prep band, we called him Sgt. Dickhead (not to his face). I felt kinda bad about it after learning he's somewhat of a campus legend, but it's not like he didn't earn the nickname fairly.

[Mjoelner34]

This is the same bus driver who somehow jumped people in line in the LFL and not only got 1 but 2 spots in dead center with the new LFL and only uses those spots about twice per year. Do you really think a bus driver has $4k per year to drop on those? If so, damn college was a waste of time!

[BeardoMSU]

Yeah. Like driving a bus is some magical power.

To be fair, there are plenty of bus drivers at MSU who I always knew to be super nice guys. Him, not so much...

[gtowndawg]

That's horrible. I go to watch us on the road all the time and to have a problem with a fan cheering for their team in their stadium is over the top.

It wasn't a normal fan, this gentleman was mentally retarded. Basically a grown child. Out of the 400 people there nobody cared except the bus driver.

edited: my point being, the bus driver calling people out on twitter, telling them to man up and he wants to know their name (implying he will somehow do something about it) doesn't surprise me one bit. I'm sure he's close to Cohen (driving the bus for so long) and takes it personally but he seems to be a hot head for sure.

[Coursesuper]

Well, they hear us. Too bad they won?t listen.

Per Everett Kennard on Twitter (@dogbusdriver):
Each tweet I write shows my name. As I read some very harsh, hurtful tweets about Coach Morehead and John Cohen, I see most are posted by anonymous twitter handles. MAN UP! It?s easy to hide in gutless anonymity. Show your name. I?d like to know who you are.

Hate to break it to them but these anonymous handles are very real fans that have put up with a lot throughout the years. Most of us are just tired of that poor old Mississippi State attitude.

I've known that mooch ass bus driver my whole life. He's is a failure of a dairy farmer (to lazy) that Polkie saved and got him a job driving the bus. Now the 17 thinks he's somebody and doesn't realize we're all laughing at his dumbass. 17 that guy!

[runwildjerious]

I've personally seen him try and bully FMB members for nothing other than inconveniencing him. He's the literal example of a person who doesn't know just how small and insignificant he actually is.

Definitely didn’t mean to hijack this thread. I just figure if the bus driver is talking then people are aware of how bad things are within the fan base. I just cannot believe we are letting this continue. It is totally a Mississippi State move to do so, but it just baffles me. I mean, why even try it 6-7 is ok? Why even try if 8-5 with the #1 defense is ok?

I’m not claiming that we should win a natty every year or win the West all the time. I am saying that we should beat a KState team at home with a first year head coach, we should be competitive with one of the worst Tennessee teams we have ever played, we should look like we actually prepare for games. We get none of that. In fact, the more time our staff has to prepare the worse we are. Just remember how bad we looked against UL-Lafayette to start the season. I am just over this. I’m over our way of thinking. I’m over our admin bowing down to someone who is out coached in each and every game.

[ScoobaDawg]

This is the same bus driver who somehow jumped people in line in the LFL and not only got 1 but 2 spots in dead center with the new LFL and only uses those spots about twice per year. Do you really think a bus driver has $4k per year to drop on those? If so, damn college was a waste of time!

Everetts spots are now in CF? He always bragged about having the first 2 spots by our bullpen...so I'm surprised he moved. Either way.. never cared for him.. even if he was where my friend first took me out to the LFL years ago until another rig adopted me.

[Todd4State]

Definitely didn’t mean to hijack this thread. I just figure if the bus driver is talking then people are aware of how bad things are within the fan base. I just cannot believe we are letting this continue. It is totally a Mississippi State move to do so, but it just baffles me. I mean, why even try it 6-7 is ok? Why even try if 8-5 with the #1 defense is ok?

I’m not claiming that we should win a natty every year or win the West all the time. I am saying that we should beat a KState team at home with a first year head coach, we should be competitive with one of the worst Tennessee teams we have ever played, we should look like we actually prepare for games. We get none of that. In fact, the more time our staff has to prepare the worse we are. Just remember how bad we looked against UL-Lafayette to start the season. I am just over this. I’m over our way of thinking. I’m over our admin bowing down to someone who is out coached in each and every game.

It doesn't make any sense to me either. But again it's the Cigar Boys that have to force change.

[Todd4State]

I've known that mooch ass bus driver my whole life. He's is a failure of a dairy farmer (to lazy) that Polkie saved and got him a job driving the bus. Now the 17 thinks he's somebody and doesn't realize we're all laughing at his dumbass. 17 that guy!

I thought it was pigs?

[Really Clark?]

Helfrick was just let go by the Bears...what am I saying, it won’t matter and making him hire a OC won’t work

[Coursesuper]

I thought it was pigs?

He's from Octoc that was dairy county.

[DogsofAnarchy]

So we are going to force a guy that considers himself an offensive guru to hire an OC? Sure- he will probably hire his buddy who just got fired as the OL coach at Penn State and make him OC to get him a big payday. And then we run the same shit we did this year.

You arent going to make a coach in his early- to mid 40's give up his passion. We are going to run JoVester's O in 2020. Our best hope is we have someone come in that has some ideas on the run game he will listen to.

If that’s what happens, JoMo is NOT going to listen.

[Cowbell]

Helfrick was just let go by the Bears...what am I saying, it won’t matter and making him hire a OC won’t work

Your username is a perfect response to this thread

[TUSK]

You're telling an offensive guru he needs an offensive coordinator. That's like telling a porn star she needs a body double.

Fire his ass and be done with it.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TrapGame again.

[Commercecomet24]

Joe could hire the entire patriots staff but as long as he's the HC nothing will be any better.

[CadaverDawg]

Bad to worse.

Just fire this idiot already. Good grief, this isn't rocket surgery. Fire him or GTFO Cohen

[CadaverDawg]

Joe could hire the entire patriots staff but as long as he's the HC nothing will be any better.

Exactly

[Mjoelner34]

Everetts spots are now in CF? He always bragged about having the first 2 spots by our bullpen...so I'm surprised he moved. Either way.. never cared for him.. even if he was where my friend first took me out to the LFL years ago until another rig adopted me.

Yep. First 2 spots in the front row in left center.

[Coursesuper]

He's from Octoc that was dairy county.

And we've been calling him Neckret to his face for 25 years now.

[Cowbell]

Joe could hire the entire patriots staff but as long as he's the HC nothing will be any better.

Commerce are you hearing anything after the loss? I know you always bring good info.

[Churchill]

is "forcing" Joe to hire an offensive coordinator. I put forcing in quotations b/c I think Joe has agreed to that move. I guess they are hoping that will calm the base, but it doesn't solve our culture problem.

That would be the most epic "putting lipstick on a pig" evar !

[HailStateSZN19]

I heard this a month ago. We will see if the name I heard is the one it turns out to be.

Chip Long, Kevin Johns, or Rhett Lashlee? Just throwing out some guesses.

[biggun]

Joe AND Cohen MUST GO!!! Period!!!!

Anyone else miss Scott Stricklin and Dan Mullen??? You know, the good old days!!!!???

[Todd4State]

Chip Long, Kevin Johns, or Rhett Lashlee? Just throwing out some guesses.

Think more Josh Gattis, Tyler Barlow, or Matt Limegrover.

[Todd4State]

Joe AND Cohen MUST GO!!! Period!!!!

Anyone else miss Scott Stricklin and Dan Mullen??? You know, the good old days!!!!???

I don't miss either one of those two assholes. I hope Dan leaves Scott for the NFL soon and then we'll see what he does then. Probably hire their Rick Ray.

[Todd4State]

Yeah. I bet Joe hires Limegrover.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-football-the-ultimate-primer-on-matt-limegrover-how-he-works-with-joe-moorhead,1470903/

[HailStateSZN19]

Think more Josh Gattis, Tyler Barlow, or Matt Limegrover.

Is there any shot at all we’d be able to pull Gattis from Michigan?? There’s no way in hell.

I have no idea who Tyler Barlow is.

If Joe hires the fired OL coach from PSU as an OC, then he’s reached an even newer level of stupid.

[PMDawg]

I don't understand how our higher ups are so tone deaf. The only other time during the message board era that our fan base was so united against a coach was 2008, AFTER the Egg Bowl. The slytanic had more support headed into the last 2 to 3 games of the 2008 season than Joe has had since Tennessee. A LOT of jobs need to be lost over this debacle of epic proportions. What a clown show.

[Todd4State]

Is there any shot at all we’d be able to pull Gattis from Michigan?? There’s no way in hell.

I have no idea who Tyler Barlow is.

If Joe hires the fired OL coach from PSU as an OC, then he’s reached an even newer level of stupid.

I don't see why Gattis would leave Michigan. Barlow called plays in Penn State's bowl game this year and coached under Moorhead.

I'm just saying if we're expecting Joe to hire someone like Chip Long or whoever it's just not going to happen because this is Joe's offense and he's not going to drastically stray from that. But he's probably willing to hire someone to help him run it that he works well with and I'm 99% sure that's what he's going to try to do to salvage things.


I don't understand how our higher ups are so tone deaf. The only other time during the message board era that our fan base was so united against a coach was 2008, AFTER the Egg Bowl. The slytanic had more support headed into the last 2 to 3 games of the 2008 season than Joe has had since Tennessee. A LOT of jobs need to be lost over this debacle of epic proportions. What a clown show.

I don't either. But again the ones that force the issue are the Cigar Boys. I think our AD goes along with whoever until they raise a stink.

[Bothrops]

Looking at next year's schedule I could see us starting 3-2 heading into a long gauntlet that runs out the schedule. We get no breaks from Oct 17 to Nov 26. This team is going to be obliterated!

[Jack Lambert]

If he does will he turn the play calling over to him or will he just be a pawn?

[Todd4State]

If he does will he turn the play calling over to him or will he just be a pawn?

I can't see Joe turning over play calling completely to anyone. I don't think whoever it is will be just a pawn though. I may be na?ve and totally wrong about that. I think it will be someone that basically is familiar with his system that Joe trusts to call plays about 15% of the time while he is managing something else and helps implement the offense in practice and stuff like that. Pretty much what's in the article I linked is what I expect to happen whoever he hires.

[msbulldog]

Yeah. I bet Joe hires Limegrover.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/penn-state-football-the-ultimate-primer-on-matt-limegrover-how-he-works-with-joe-moorhead,1470903/

Todd, how did the last yankee hire from Penn State work out? I know you're not advocating him, brother.

[Todd4State]

Todd, how did the last yankee hire from Penn State work out? I know you're not advocating him, brother.

Not well. And then I don't think Limegrover or whoever he hires will work either. It may help some and it may not. We may get better just because we improve in other areas like special teams and on defense and S&C improving may be enough to show some slight improvement though. My biggest concern is actually as I have said the discipline issues which is the main reason why I don't think Joe will work out no matter what changes he makes.

[TheLostDawg]

Pawn, I think that he'll bring someone to "help" with the offense since he "hasn't been able to run the offense he wants, yet" that's scary on every level.
I think y'all thought the "cigar boys" had the weight that they had in the past. Seems Cohen is using the Strickland model of it takes a coach a few years to become stable. I remember when he put out a press release when we extended Mullen on a bad year and he used the example of how long tenured coaches do better. He obviously was looking at this the completely wrong way.
Anyway I think Cohen going against these "cigar boys" is putting way more pressure on Cohen than if he would have just admitted that Moorhead isn't our answer and moved on. He was already on the hot seat for the extension with two bad years. Must have thought this was the best way out. I think next year will be Moorhead year and Cohen is going to force changes while letting Moorhead guide this process. If it doesn't work Moorhead and gone and if the next coach process and outcome isn't better, I'm not so sure Cohen will be making that next fire/hire decision.

[TheLostDawg]

I can't see Joe turning over play calling completely to anyone. I don't think whoever it is will be just a pawn though. I may be na?ve and totally wrong about that. I think it will be someone that basically is familiar with his system that Joe trusts to call plays about 15% of the time while he is managing something else and helps implement the offense in practice and stuff like that. Pretty much what's in the article I linked is what I expect to happen whoever he hires.

That's the thing. I don't see someone new, no matter how well he knows them, to come in and call plays. The only way I see someone else calling anything is moving Breiner to ST and letting him call some of the offense. Then bringing in a top S&c & QB coach.
* After reading some of the article, that's what it would take is someone like that. Just a long shot to not only find someone like that but to get them here. Hopefully he does and it works out but I'm not holding my breath

[TheLostDawg]

Maybe the new QB coach in Dallas. He was coaching hs last year. Not sure how good of a recruiter he would be but he would have connections somewhere to high school and a connection with Dallas and Dak that would help. I think that's the one position we could afford a great coach over good recruiter considering his resume would help recruiting itself.

[TheLostDawg]

I know better though. I would just like hearing we tried throwing a lot at him to get him. Maybe try to get Dak to help if the guy gets let go

[Dannyripms]

Joe better do something to improve drastically or else he won't get another crack at a head coaching job, maybe not even a good O coordinator job. So his future is up to him. I know it helps to have 10 million in the bank but still. Also, colleges need to start signing deals that if the coach only wins x amount of games or has to be fired for any reason, they should have to refund some damn money. That would change a lot of shit.

[ShotgunDawg]

I am becoming angered by the idea that they are going to just get new assistants.

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!

Stop avoiding the issue and fire Joe. That is the only answer to this situation.

Absolutely ridiculous that they think making a few assistant coach changes is going to alter the culture & preparation of MSU football.

[CoachT14]

What really sucks about the entire situation is, I'm willing to bet at least a portion of the folks pissed right now will completely quiet down with a few changes. And I imagine that is what the Athletic department is betting on right now. I hope I'm wrong and they make a mistake, but I'm not entirely positive it won't happen that way.

[msbulldog]

Nope, my Rock Kicker is broke.

[Cowbell]

What really sucks about the entire situation is, I'm willing to bet at least a portion of the folks pissed right now will completely quiet down with a few changes. And I imagine that is what the Athletic department is betting on right now. I hope I'm wrong and they make a mistake, but I'm not entirely positive it won't happen that way.

This is exactly right and is going to split our fan base again - the satisfied vs. the knowledgeable

[NCDawg]

Nothing except his removal is acceptable

This is the correct answer.

[CoachT14]

This is exactly right and is going to split our fan base again - the satisfied vs. the knowledgeable

I'll be kicking rocks with the best of them. He doesn't deserve a dime from me or anybody in this fan base. Anybody who is too blind to see it, deserves what is about to happen to this program.

[Coursesuper]

What really sucks about the entire situation is, I'm willing to bet at least a portion of the folks pissed right now will completely quiet down with a few changes. And I imagine that is what the Athletic department is betting on right now. I hope I'm wrong and they make a mistake, but I'm not entirely positive it won't happen that way.

This is classic country club politics, there is a faction that likes the guy so they are going to " mentor him" and " give him help". That means micro manage the situation and that will make no one happy and always ends up in a much bigger mess. This kind of garbage usually ends up with a firing of more than one and a gigantic mess at the end that take a while to claw your way out of. So buckle up gents here we go.

[CoachT14]

This is classic country club politics, there is a faction that likes the guy so they are going to " mentor him" and " give him help". That means micro manage the situation and that will make no one happy and always ends up in a much bigger mess. This kind of garbage usually ends up with a firing of more than one and a gigantic mess at the end that take a while to claw your way out of. So buckle up gents here we go.

As I've said before, we are trading one egg bowl win for the future success of the program. And unfortunately a decent enough sized section of our fan base is completely fine with that. And it sucks, because they are what is holding us back from reaching our potential as a program. Mullen was only the surface of that potential I believe, and had he truly bought in, we might have gotten more for the time he was here. But that's the past, and as someone who doesn't accept mediocrity from my own players, I refuse to except it from my alma mater.

[ArrowDawg]

I am becoming angered by the idea that they are going to just get new assistants.

THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!

Stop avoiding the issue and fire Joe. That is the only answer to this situation.

Absolutely ridiculous that they think making a few assistant coach changes is going to alter the culture & preparation of MSU football.

Agreed. If this wasn't a culture problem, I could see new assistants helping. This, unfortunately, is a band-aid on a gaping war wound. It's an attempt to appease the fans and sell tickets for 2020. It won't actually do anything for the product on the field next season, certainly not in the win/loss column. What's worse is that even if the offense somehow looks more competent but the record is still poor(it will be), the improved offense might be enough to convince Cohen/Keenum to give a fourth year.

[TrapGame]

Agreed. If this wasn't a culture problem, I could see new assistants helping. This, unfortunately, is a band-aid on a gaping war wound. It's an attempt to appease the fans and sell tickets for 2020. It won't actually do anything for the product on the field next season, certainly not in the win/loss column. What's worse is that even if the offense somehow looks more competent but the record is still poor(it will be), the improved offense might be enough to convince Cohen/Keenum to give a fourth year.

Joe takes criticism like a spoiled 12 yr old. He will not let someone come in and call his offense, make him look like an ignoramus and everything be rainbows and sunshine. Remember the Hud/Johnson game plan for Auburn in 2018? The misdirection, the power runs by QB/RB, simple passes that worked...we never saw it again. Instead of this being his epiphany to change his offense, let Hud help him craft game plans, use the player's talents to maximum potential he instead doubled down on making "his" offense work. This is Joe Moorhead. He will never change.

[MaroonFlounder]

Joe has already joked about he has 51% control on play calls, but he's serious. Seriously stubborn.

Nothing will change with a true OC in the booth.

[RocketDawg]

Joe better do something to improve drastically or else he won't get another crack at a head coaching job, maybe not even a good O coordinator job. So his future is up to him. I know it helps to have 10 million in the bank but still. Also, colleges need to start signing deals that if the coach only wins x amount of games or has to be fired for any reason, they should have to refund some damn money. That would change a lot of shit.

The coach's salary really does need to be tied to performance, and not only through bonuses for good performance, but through reductions if he doesn't perform.