Quick Thoughts That No One Cares About...

[ShotgunDawg]

- You can't compete at the highest level of college football without elite WR play. Problem is that the vast majority of those are extremely highly recruited. Due to the size/speed necessity for someone to be an elite WR, it'll be tough to just out evaluate blue bloods for these guys. Collectively, somehow someway the MSU family needs to collectively find a way to make sure our program ALWAYS has at least 1 of these guys. Don't have to sign one every year, but you have no chance of scoring vs these blue bloods without one.

- I thought the incomplete pass in Clemson game was the correct call but refs are put in a bad position on these types of plays. On one hand, everyone wants to let these plays play out so the fumble and result can be played through the whistle. However, by doing that the conundrum is that the call on the field must be a fumble, which puts the refs in a tough position of having to find conclusive evidence to overturn a game changing play. It's just a tough spot where the "conclusive evidence" benchmark works against the spirit of what we want the refs to do.

- Targeting needs to be changed to a soccer style yellow car, red card system. 2 minor targetings or 1 egregious targeting equals a red and disqualification

- The playoff must expand. YES, that will lead to many first round blowouts, but it'll ensure that the correct teams reach the final 4 and it'll give numerous other programs something to play for and from which to recruit. Combine an expansion and a reduction of scholarships and college football will reach a popularity level in this country that it never dreamed of.

- LSU is better than Clemson, but, due to Clemson's continuity on the coaching staff and program culture, I'm somewhat convinced that Clemson may be the most well coached program in college football history. You'd be an idiot to count them out vs LSU.

- Joe needs a big win tomorrow. The corner has to be turned at some point. May as well start tomorrow.

That's all I got to say.

[Mjoelner34]

Give me 3 Coxie's from Memphis (3 *) vs. 1 (5*) and 2 other guys who can't outrun me. I think it would take an entire quality receiving core here instead of 1 elite and 2 typical MSU receivers and just like we have to do with most recruits, that means finding diamonds in the rough and coaching them up and I have zero faith in the current staff doing the latter.

[Quaoarsking]

Instead of reducing everyone's scholarships, just reduce the scholarships for 1 year for teams who make the playoffs. That way, you're not preventing thousands of people from getting an education, but you do make dynasties harder to put together.

[BrunswickDawg]

You are dead wrong on the approach to WR. We aren't going to get those guys. Period. The only chance is if they are MS guys and we find a way not to blow it with them (see Brown, AJ).

That does not mean we can't have a downfield game - follow the model Mjoelner says and we can be ok. The current state of our WR corps falls squarely on Mullen AND Moorhead.

The other part of that is you have to get creative in the passing game when you don't have talent at WR. It seems like we always have talented pass catching RBs and TE who we simply haven't used over the past 5-8 years. I don't think we have used a RB screen since the Michigan Gator Bowl win (where we destroyed them with screens). We had an NFL talent at TE in Jordan Thomas and we threw the ball to him twice a game at most. We threw the ball less to Kylin this year than last year. Using all of your tools is how you take pressure off a less talented WR corps and open up the passing game. It ain't rocket surgery.

[ShotgunDawg]

Instead of reducing everyone's scholarships, just reduce the scholarships for 1 year for teams who make the playoffs. That way, you're not preventing thousands of people from getting an education, but you do make dynasties harder to put together.

Not one less kid would be getting a scholarship. Just reallocate they to other sports. We've discussed this

[ShotgunDawg]

You are dead wrong on the approach to WR. We aren't going to get those guys. Period. The only chance is if they are MS guys and we find a way not to blow it with them (see Brown, AJ).

That does not mean we can't have a downfield game - follow the model Mjoelner says and we can be ok. The current state of our WR corps falls squarely on Mullen AND Moorhead.

The other part of that is you have to get creative in the passing game when you don't have talent at WR. It seems like we always have talented pass catching RBs and TE who we simply haven't used over the past 5-8 years. I don't think we have used a RB screen since the Michigan Gator Bowl win (where we destroyed them with screens). We had an NFL talent at TE in Jordan Thomas and we threw the ball to him twice a game at most. We threw the ball less to Kylin this year than last year. Using all of your tools is how you take pressure off a less talented WR corps and open up the passing game. It ain't rocket surgery.

I disagree. I think we can land some top WRs every so often you if we prioritized it in a collective effort

Furthermore, I'm super sick and tired of MSU fans putting limits on what we're capable of. Putting limits on such prevent the effort to accomplish things. It's a complete loser mentality that infects our fanbase and state. Completely cancerous

[ShotgunDawg]

Additionally, we're about to be a $120+ million athletic department. You mean we can't expand the recruiting base to more than 2 hours from Starkville and figure this out?

[OLJWales]

We just need to go 1/2 steam network ole miss / freezus style and we should be ok. that should get us an AJ Brown / Paidwell type of WR every other year without upsetting the blue bloods enough for them to cry foul.

[vv83]

We just need to go 1/2 steam network ole miss / freezus style and we should be ok. that should get us an AJ Brown / Paidwell type of WR every other year without upsetting the blule blood enough to cry foul.

I think this is the answer. We need to use all this extra ABC money to absolutely lock down MS. Make it where we get the top 7-9 in MS every year no matter what. Let ole miss go recruit nationally and we play dirty in state. If Alabama, auburn, LSU want someone from MS they’ll have to seriously pay up. If we keep it limited to MS I don’t think the NCAA will ever care.

[Quaoarsking]

Not one less kid would be getting a scholarship. Just reallocate they to other sports. We've discussed this

It would be though, because most schools don't max out the scholarships in other sports anyway outside the P5. They will gladly pocket the money for those 10 or whatever scholarships and not redistribute them to anyone.

[BrunswickDawg]

I disagree. I think we can land some top WRs every so often you if we prioritized it in a collective effort

Furthermore, I'm super sick and tired of MSU fans putting limits on what we're capable of. Putting limits on such prevent the effort to accomplish things. It's a complete loser mentality that infects our fanbase and state. Completely cancerous

No one said we can't sign top receivers - but you were specific about 5 stars. And 5 stars aren't going to happen. On average there are 4 5 star WR a year. Going back to 2000, MS has produced exactly 1 5 star WR (DeAndre Brown - '08 - USM. Only 2 5 star WR have ever signed with a MS school - Brown (USM) and Treadwell. So creating an unrealistic expectation that it is going to start happening regularly for MSU is dumb.

That being said - there is WR talent in MS that we have missed on and it has killed us. Lock in AJ Brown, Jaylen Smith, etc and they are game changers for MSU over the past few years. That's where we should focus effort instead of chasing some unicorn 5 star.

[ShotgunDawg]

No one said we can't sign top receivers - but you were specific about 5 stars. And 5 stars aren't going to happen. On average there are 4 5 star WR a year. Going back to 2000, MS has produced exactly 1 5 star WR (DeAndre Brown - '08 - USM. Only 2 5 star WR have ever signed with a MS school - Brown (USM) and Treadwell. So creating an unrealistic expectation that it is going to start happening regularly for MSU is dumb.

That being said - there is WR talent in MS that we have missed on and it has killed us. Lock in AJ Brown, Jaylen Smith, etc and they are game changers for MSU over the past few years. That's where we should focus effort instead of chasing some unicorn 5 star.

The problem with you "realistic" guys is that you are only realistic based on your past experience with MSU. However, we now have money and a profile that we've never had. Therefore, it should stand to reason that we are potentially capable of things we have never done.

Being realistic is just a mask for a lack of imagination and willingness to push the envelope to figure out a way.

[BrunswickDawg]

The problem with you "realistic" guys is that you are only realistic based on your past experience with MSU. However, we now have money and a profile that we've never had. Therefore, it should stand to reason that we are potentially capable of things we have never done.

Being realistic is just a mask for a lack of imagination and willingness to push the envelope to figure out a way.

Whatever. Being realistic allowed Jackie to build to '97-'99, allowed Dan to build for '14-'15, and '17-'18. Realistically AJ Brown and Jaylen Smith on MSU from '16-'18 is the difference in challenging the conference elite and not. Realistically, the talent is within our footprint to make a run - but we have to out recruit our competition for it. We stand a far greater chance of doing that than landing a 5 star WR from Florida, Illinois or Texas every 3 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

Whatever. Being realistic allowed Jackie to build to '97-'99, allowed Dan to build for '14-'15, and '17-'18. Realistically AJ Brown and Jaylen Smith on MSU from '16-'18 is the difference in challenging the conference elite and not. Realistically, the talent is within our footprint to make a run - but we have to out recruit our competition for it. We stand a far greater chance of doing that than landing a 5 star WR from Florida, Illinois or Texas every 3 years.

Why can't you do both?

[Dawgfan77]

The real answer is better evaluation. Bradley at ULL was from Ackerman Baylis from Laurel smith from gula and Memphis has made a living off MS kids. No reasons those guys aren?t at MSU

[DogsofAnarchy]

The real answer is better evaluation. Bradley at ULL was from Ackerman Baylis from Laurel smith from gula and Memphis has made a living off MS kids. No reasons those guys aren?t at MSU

There is a reason. Grades.

[HoopsDawg]

Legit 4 star receivers are good enough in a competent scheme.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen has slashed our Football Recruiting budget.... our budget is less than $500K.... the SEC Average is $1.3 Million for Football Recruiting.

[HoopsDawg]

Cohen has slashed our Football Recruiting budget.... our budget is less than $500K.... the SEC Average is $1.3 Million for Football Recruiting.

That's a massive discrepancy. Where does that extra money go?

[HoopsDawg]

Also, Shotgun, the officials can let the play finish and still rule it an incomplete pass.

[MetEdDawg]

Why can't you do both?

For the same reason we've all told you over and over again.

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Hopefully that clears it up. This purely organic shit you want doesn't exist. You can't will yourself to greatness. You spend yourself to greatness in college football or get exceedingly lucky like Clemson by getting a generational coach, have the rest of your conference suck.

This organic crap you want where if we all think positive we will magically get highly rated kids to spurn Alabama and LSU and Georgia and Auburn to come to us isn't real life. It's wishing. Money talks and bullshit walks in college football. You want to get these kids? Add $30 million to the budget or donate a couple million specifically to recruiting.

Money speaks. Not your utopian view of what you think it should be or should happen. What IS real is $$$$$. And lots of it.

[BrunswickDawg]

Why can't you do both?

You know how many 5 star WR Bama has signed in the last 20 years? 5. LSU? 8. You calling for a 5 star every 3-4 years is something Bama hasn't achieved and LSU has barely been able to achieve (they average 1 every 4 years). You believe that the answer to our problems is to recruit a single position better than we have historically recruited overall (we have 7 5 stars across all positions in 20 years). All that does is set yourself up for failed expectations that are unrealistic to begin with.

Recruit better? Yes. Recruit a more complete, balanced roster? Yes. Lock down the top talent in our footprint? Definitely. Chase some recruiting unicorn that the best programs in the country cant achieve? Waste of effort and resources. Just look at how much better our WR corps would be right now if we landed Mingo, and Dannis Jackson last year and CJ Bolar the year before?

Facts are we had shit evaluation, coaching and recruiting at WR over the past decade and that all has to change.

[Coach34]

We are not getting any bigtime WR's- it's just not happening and its stupid to try to be something we arent. Metcalf was an OM legacy and we all know about AJ Brown and Treadwell. The rest of their good WR's were nice-rated kids that were evaluated well and developed into good college WR's

State has to do what we did to get the guys we had in 2014/2015. Pull in a good 4-star and add in other guys that are athletic and develop into good players. Can we do that? Absolutely. Run a power spread with a QB that can make some throws- Dak, Fitz, Shrader. It's not hard to put together a good offense. Mullen did it with lazy recruiting at WR and on the OL at times. If we had Jomo's recruiting effort with Mullen's O we'd have something.

[Liverpooldawg]

Tradition and reputation also matters. In the last 30 years there have only been THREE 1st time National Champions using the AP: Florida in 1996, Florida State in 1993, and Colorado in 1990.

[ShotgunDawg]

You know how many 5 star WR Bama has signed in the last 20 years? 5. LSU? 8. You calling for a 5 star every 3-4 years is something Bama hasn't achieved and LSU has barely been able to achieve (they average 1 every 4 years). You believe that the answer to our problems is to recruit a single position better than we have historically recruited overall (we have 7 5 stars across all positions in 20 years). All that does is set yourself up for failed expectations that are unrealistic to begin with.

Recruit better? Yes. Recruit a more complete, balanced roster? Yes. Lock down the top talent in our footprint? Definitely. Chase some recruiting unicorn that the best programs in the country cant achieve? Waste of effort and resources. Just look at how much better our WR corps would be right now if we landed Mingo, and Dannis Jackson last year and CJ Bolar the year before?

Facts are we had shit evaluation, coaching and recruiting at WR over the past decade and that all has to change.

Recruiting a more balanced roster won't raise our ceiling. That requires dynamic playmakers. More balanced recruiting will only being more 8 maybe 9 win seasons. We've got to find PLAYMAKERS

[Coach34]

For the same reason we've all told you over and over again.

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Hopefully that clears it up. This purely organic shit you want doesn't exist. You can't will yourself to greatness. You spend yourself to greatness in college football or get exceedingly lucky like Clemson by getting a generational coach, have the rest of your conference suck.

This organic crap you want where if we all think positive we will magically get highly rated kids to spurn Alabama and LSU and Georgia and Auburn to come to us isn't real life. It's wishing. Money talks and bullshit walks in college football. You want to get these kids? Add $30 million to the budget or donate a couple million specifically to recruiting.

Money speaks. Not your utopian view of what you think it should be or should happen. What IS real is $$$$$. And lots of it.

Exactly. Until we start providing some of these 6-figure jobs that schools like Georgia, Bama, and LSU provide for prospect's parents- we wont even get in the mix for good 4-star WR's

[OLJWales]

Cohen has slashed our Football Recruiting budget.... our budget is less than $500K.... the SEC Average is $1.3 Million for Football Recruiting.

If this is true, it's awful. REAL bad.

[HoopsDawg]

Clemson got Tee Higgins from TN, Trevor Lawrence from GA, Etienne from LA, and Ross from AL. Impressive. Their slot guy, Rodgers is also from TN. Etienne, Ross and Rodgers were 4 star guys.

Our 2018 defense was playoff worthy. Just lacked 2 WR's, a QB and a Coach.

[OLJWales]

Clemson got Tee Higgins from TN, Trevor Lawrence from GA, Etienne from LA, and Ross from AL. Impressive. Their slot guy, Rodgers is also from TN. Etienne, Ross and Rodgers were 4 star guys.

Our 2018 defense was playoff worthy. Just lacked 2 WR's, a QB and a Coach.

'18 chaps my ass worse than '19.

[MetEdDawg]

'18 chaps my ass worse than '19.

I'll maintain that no one would be saying shit about this year if we had won 10 or more games last year.

With everything that went on this year, objectively 6 wins is actually a reasonable number. And the fan base would for the most part have been fine and forgiving with that had we gotten to 10 wins last year.

[BrunswickDawg]

Recruiting a more balanced roster won't raise our ceiling. That requires dynamic playmakers. More balanced recruiting will only being more 8 maybe 9 win seasons. We've got to find PLAYMAKERS

PLAYMAKERS? I've already shown you PLAYMAKERS who were instate that we whiffed on that would have raised our ceiling. AJ Brown was a PLAYMAKER. Mingo looks like he will be. Smith at Louisville was one. All MS kids we missed - not to mention the kids Memphis has grabbed. None were 5 stars. All would have changed outcomes for us over the past half decade. No one has argued we shouldn't be pursuing those guys. We don't have to chase 5 stars from Texas to vastly change our competency and competitiveness at the position and elevate our ceiling. Evaluate MS better, recruit MS better, coach better.

[ShotgunDawg]

PLAYMAKERS? I've already shown you PLAYMAKERS who were instate that we whiffed on that would have raised our ceiling. AJ Brown was a PLAYMAKER. Mingo looks like he will be. Smith at Louisville was one. All MS kids we missed - not to mention the kids Memphis has grabbed. None were 5 stars. All would have changed outcomes for us over the past half decade. No one has argued we shouldn't be pursuing those guys. We don't have to chase 5 stars from Texas to vastly change our competency and competitiveness at the position and elevate our ceiling. Evaluate MS better, recruit MS better, coach better.

Ealy and Plumlee yes. I haven't seen anything from Mingo to think he's that level.

[Dawgfan77]

We are not getting any bigtime WR's- it's just not happening and its stupid to try to be something we arent. Metcalf was an OM legacy and we all know about AJ Brown and Treadwell. The rest of their good WR's were nice-rated kids that were evaluated well and developed into good college WR's

State has to do what we did to get the guys we had in 2014/2015. Pull in a good 4-star and add in other guys that are athletic and develop into good players. Can we do that? Absolutely. Run a power spread with a QB that can make some throws- Dak, Fitz, Shrader. It's not hard to put together a good offense. Mullen did it with lazy recruiting at WR and on the OL at times. If we had Jomo's recruiting effort with Mullen's O we'd have something.

You are correct and that guy is at ULL now

[maroonmania]

- You can't compete at the highest level of college football without elite WR play. Problem is that the vast majority of those are extremely highly recruited. Due to the size/speed necessity for someone to be an elite WR, it'll be tough to just out evaluate blue bloods for these guys. Collectively, somehow someway the MSU family needs to collectively find a way to make sure our program ALWAYS has at least 1 of these guys. Don't have to sign one every year, but you have no chance of scoring vs these blue bloods without one.

- I thought the incomplete pass in Clemson game was the correct call but refs are put in a bad position on these types of plays. On one hand, everyone wants to let these plays play out so the fumble and result can be played through the whistle. However, by doing that the conundrum is that the call on the field must be a fumble, which puts the refs in a tough position of having to find conclusive evidence to overturn a game changing play. It's just a tough spot where the "conclusive evidence" benchmark works against the spirit of what we want the refs to do.

- Targeting needs to be changed to a soccer style yellow car, red card system. 2 minor targetings or 1 egregious targeting equals a red and disqualification

- The playoff must expand. YES, that will lead to many first round blowouts, but it'll ensure that the correct teams reach the final 4 and it'll give numerous other programs something to play for and from which to recruit. Combine an expansion and a reduction of scholarships and college football will reach a popularity level in this country that it never dreamed of.

- LSU is better than Clemson, but, due to Clemson's continuity on the coaching staff and program culture, I'm somewhat convinced that Clemson may be the most well coached program in college football history. You'd be an idiot to count them out vs LSU.

- Joe needs a big win tomorrow. The corner has to be turned at some point. May as well start tomorrow.

That's all I got to say.

Scholarships need to decrease AND the playoff needs to expand to 8 (at least) to make college football a more competitive product. Right now, recruits know there is only about 9 or 10 programs that have much chance to get into the playoff so it gives the elite programs even more of a recruiting advantage. And most of the extra scholarships taken from football should go to baseball which is on life support for scholarships. In football, you have 85 scholarships when a team could easily play with 65 to 70 players (NFL plays with a 50 man roster). A college baseball team needs 30+ players (MLB plays with a 25 man roster) and gets less than 12 scholarships. I know football is the money maker but you wouldn't lose a dollar of revenue if football played with 10 less overall scholarships. The last 10 guys on a college roster could easily be walk-ons. As we've said here, moving scholarships from football to baseball would make both better, more competitive products.

[RougeDawg]

I'll maintain that no one would be saying shit about this year if we had won 10 or more games last year.

With everything that went on this year, objectively 6 wins is actually a reasonable number. And the fan base would for the most part have been fine and forgiving with that had we gotten to 10 wins last year.

Serious question? What is preventing you from seeing why we did not win 10 games in 2018? The same reason that prevented 8 wins in 2019. There is only one reason. The Yankee buffoon on the sidelines telling us to kick rocks.

If we won 10 in 2018 it would have been expected. And winning only 6 in 2019 would be underachieving. Underachieving in any single season does not change ones perspective for the next, unless a blatantly obvious trend is established like the one we have seen the last two seasons.

Last tidbit. Had JoVester not abandoned his offense in the 2018 Auburn game, a sure 10 win season would have been 7 wins, at a negative 3 win rate. So far the Yankee is averaging a -2 wins per season. If you are happy with that, please proceed with missing the forest for the trees. Some will never see the obvious.

[timotheus]

Ole 2 less JoMO. so how many does this mean he wins in 2020?

[Todd4State]

Clemson got Tee Higgins from TN, Trevor Lawrence from GA, Etienne from LA, and Ross from AL. Impressive. Their slot guy, Rodgers is also from TN. Etienne, Ross and Rodgers were 4 star guys.

Our 2018 defense was playoff worthy. Just lacked 2 WR's, a QB and a Coach.

And two offensive tackles.

[Todd4State]

Recruiting a more balanced roster won't raise our ceiling. That requires dynamic playmakers. More balanced recruiting will only being more 8 maybe 9 win seasons. We've got to find PLAYMAKERS

Yes being balanced will raise our ceiling. We can't just run it straight into the teeth of Bama's defense and have a chance. We already win eight as it is with holes in our lineup. Being able to pass consistently- let's say we get our passing attack to 7th in the SEC will be the difference between upsetting someone and not. And passing the ball better will open up our running game which is already pretty good even with nine in the box a lot of plays. Which is one reason why we can't run against elite teams because they know we can't throw it so there is no reason to respect it and that only leaves one thing to defend.

[Maroonthirteen]

I'd be interested to know why we were not in on Darin Turner, the 4* WR from Memphis Central. Dedric Thomas high school.

I have no idea really. Maybe he wasn't interested but he decomitted from Arkansas at the coaching change but ended up signing there anyway a day late. Wish we could have got in on him. Seems like there was a opportunity.

[R2Dawg]

Tradition and reputation also matters. In the last 30 years there have only been THREE 1st time National Champions using the AP: Florida in 1996, Florida State in 1993, and Colorado in 1990.

True because the process has always been a beauty padget among the popular blue bloods. Still is but it is getting better as playoff progression has begun; without it Bama would have played for a NC this year as a 2 loss team because they are Bama. Little sarcasm here but not much. A one loss Bama would have beat out Every team but LSU this year.

[MetEdDawg]

Serious question? What is preventing you from seeing why we did not win 10 games in 2018? The same reason that prevented 8 wins in 2019. There is only one reason. The Yankee buffoon on the sidelines telling us to kick rocks.

If we won 10 in 2018 it would have been expected. And winning only 6 in 2019 would be underachieving. Underachieving in any single season does not change ones perspective for the next, unless a blatantly obvious trend is established like the one we have seen the last two seasons.

Last tidbit. Had JoVester not abandoned his offense in the 2018 Auburn game, a sure 10 win season would have been 7 wins, at a negative 3 win rate. So far the Yankee is averaging a -2 wins per season. If you are happy with that, please proceed with missing the forest for the trees. Some will never see the obvious.

I'm not sure you are taking my point. We should have won more than 8 in 2018. But I'll still maintain that 6 wins the way everything went down this year would be way more palatable if we had met expectations last year and won 10.

Anyone that still thinks we should have won 8 regular season games this year is just being ridiculous. We had more talented teams under Mullen not win 8 games with an easier schedule. Winning 8 pre season maybe realistic. Tutorgate, team injuries, and depth issues crushed that crap before the season got started. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have played better. But we weren't winning 8 this year and anyone else that thinks so is just stupid. Just because you say we should win 8 doesn't actually mean that's what should have happened. Find me a team that's gone through something similar in a season like we had where they won 8 games and maybe I'll change my tune.

Either way, 10 wins last year would have made 6 this year more able to live with. But last years inept looking offense coupled with little to no improvement this year is a pattern and not an anomaly and concerning.

[Dawgfan77]

I'm not sure you are taking my point. We should have won more than 8 in 2018. But I'll still maintain that 6 wins the way everything went down this year would be way more palatable if we had met expectations last year and won 10.

Anyone that still thinks we should have won 8 regular season games this year is just being ridiculous. We had more talented teams under Mullen not win 8 games with an easier schedule. Winning 8 pre season maybe realistic. Tutorgate, team injuries, and depth issues crushed that crap before the season got started. Doesn't mean we shouldn't have played better. But we weren't winning 8 this year and anyone else that thinks so is just stupid. Just because you say we should win 8 doesn't actually mean that's what should have happened. Find me a team that's gone through something similar in a season like we had where they won 8 games and maybe I'll change my tune.

Either way, 10 wins last year would have made 6 this year more able to live with. But last years inept looking offense coupled with little to no improvement this year is a pattern and not an anomaly and concerning.

This might be your dumbest post yet! So by your logic we should have lost to Kstste whom by your logic as well as recruiting rankings we were more talented than. And we lost to UT with TWO weeks to prepare no less. Thst UT team lost to BYU and Ga State.

I have no words for you all who don?t know shit about football

[MetEdDawg]

This might be your dumbest post yet! So by your logic we should have lost to Kstste whom by your logic as well as recruiting rankings we were more talented than. And we lost to UT with TWO weeks to prepare no less. Thst UT team lost to BYU and Ga State.

I have no words for you all who don?t know shit about football

Most on here think we should absolutely have beaten Kansas State. I don't agree. 100% healthy Stevens maybe. Tutorgate guys play probably. We played a freshman QB and missed our starting DT, our starting MLB, and Marcus Murphy, who we now see should have been our starting safety.

But none of that happened. They were well coached and a hell of a lot different than the team we played the previous year. That Kansas State team beat Oklahoma. So you expecting us to 100% beat KSU might be the stupidest thing ever because we would not be able to beat Oklahoma in 100 tries.

That Kansas State team was better coached and played harder. And for a fan base that prides itself on how well we ply when we are the underdog and overlooked, I think it's hilarious that you all don't think that can apply to any other program in the country. Kansas State was the beneficiary of the first real minutes played by a true freshman QB and multiple players of ours suspended. Sucks but it happened.

I would be way more pissed about the Tennessee game than the KSU game. But again. It's hard to win on the road in the SEC period. We should have won that game or at least played a hell of a lot better. That game was WAY more inexcusable than KSU.

Our fan base has turned pretty elitist. We should have won 8 games with a true freshman playing meaningful snaps and our transfer QB injured, missing 3 defensive starters for 8 games, and have multiple others in the 2 deep out. Then add injuries into the mix. I'm convinced some in our fan base are completely unable to have any perspective. 8 wins last year was 100% more unforgivable than 6 this year. Doesn't mean we didn't look bad because we did. Looked awful. But I can at least explain looking awful this year. Can't last year.

If you are one of those no excuses you should win 8 no matter what, you've probably never coached anything in your life. By that logic, Alabama should have beaten LSU even without Tua being 100% healthy because no excuses!! But a bunch of you came out in droves and said a 100% healthy Tua probably wins that game. But we are too good to use that same excuse!!! Our fan base makes excuses for other teams way more easily than their own. Doesn't make any sense.

[Tbonewannabe]

Most on here think we should absolutely have beaten Kansas State. I don't agree. 100% healthy Stevens maybe. Tutorgate guys play probably. We played a freshman QB and missed our starting DT, our starting MLB, and Marcus Murphy, who we now see should have been our starting safety.

But none of that happened. They were well coached and a hell of a lot different than the team we played the previous year. That Kansas State team beat Oklahoma. So you expecting us to 100% beat KSU might be the stupidest thing ever because we would not be able to beat Oklahoma in 100 tries.

That Kansas State team was better coached and played harder. And for a fan base that prides itself on how well we ply when we are the underdog and overlooked, I think it's hilarious that you all don't think that can apply to any other program in the country. Kansas State was the beneficiary of the first real minutes played by a true freshman QB and multiple players of ours suspended. Sucks but it happened.

I would be way more pissed about the Tennessee game than the KSU game. But again. It's hard to win on the road in the SEC period. We should have won that game or at least played a hell of a lot better. That game was WAY more inexcusable than KSU.

Our fan base has turned pretty elitist. We should have won 8 games with a true freshman playing meaningful snaps and our transfer QB injured, missing 3 defensive starters for 8 games, and have multiple others in the 2 deep out. Then add injuries into the mix. I'm convinced some in our fan base are completely unable to have any perspective. 8 wins last year was 100% more unforgivable than 6 this year. Doesn't mean we didn't look bad because we did. Looked awful. But I can at least explain looking awful this year. Can't last year.

If you are one of those no excuses you should win 8 no matter what, you've probably never coached anything in your life. By that logic, Alabama should have beaten LSU even without Tua being 100% healthy because no excuses!! But a bunch of you came out in droves and said a 100% healthy Tua probably wins that game. But we are too good to use that same excuse!!! Our fan base makes excuses for other teams way more easily than their own. Doesn't make any sense.

I am not saying we should have beaten KSU but dumbass coaching decisions cost us that game.

At the end of the day, Moorhead extremely underachieved last year and underachieved this year.

Scoring Offense has went from 41st (with almost the entire starting offense returning in 2018) to 68th to 75th. You don't do that with a good offensive coach. Good coaches figure out a way to adapt to the personnel on their team. Now I would understand if you go from a triple option offense to Air Raid but our offense isn't supposed to be that drastically different. The biggest issue is with every SEC team this year, we scored under what they were averaging giving up on defense. Moorhead's offense in its current form has been proven not to work against SEC defenses.

[Dawgfan77]

I am not saying we should have beaten KSU but dumbass coaching decisions cost us that game.

At the end of the day, Moorhead extremely underachieved last year and underachieved this year.

Scoring Offense has went from 41st (with almost the entire starting offense returning in 2018) to 68th to 75th. You don't do that with a good offensive coach. Good coaches figure out a way to adapt to the personnel on their team. Now I would understand if you go from a triple option offense to Air Raid but our offense isn't supposed to be that drastically different. The biggest issue is with every SEC team this year, we scored under what they were averaging giving up on defense. Moorhead's offense in its current form has been proven not to work against SEC defenses.

Great post. Unfortunately SloMo defenders will refuse to see logic. Mets a joevester defender

[tcdog70]

we need to look closely at QBs who can morph into WRs in D1. Tubby Lewis is a prime example. Most highschools play their best ATH. at QB. Plumlee should really play the slot--would be his best chance to play in the NFL. We might have a good one this year that is going to make the switch. J

Jomos biggest Mistake His first Year was not Playing Hill at the slot with A-train and Fitz on the field. Those are 3 big time playmakers and we always had 1 on the sideline.

[MetEdDawg]

Great post. Unfortunately SloMo defenders will refuse to see logic. Mets a joevester defender

Yeah except I said fire him after Tennessee and still think we should have. Other than you being wrong on that point, you were correct on everything else, which was nothing.

[Tbonewannabe]

Yeah except I said fire him after Tennessee and still think we should have. Other than you being wrong on that point, you were correct on everything else, which was nothing.

I was a defender myself until UT. I don't understand after that game how anyone is ok barely moving the ball against anyone not named Arkansas. I give the defense a pass due to Tutorgate but the offense wasn't affected.