Signing Day Thoughts

[ShotgunDawg]

- Pretty damn good job by Moorhead to lock up all the commits this year. Hopefully that will afford them some extra time to chase some bigger fish in February. Really need to get Cooper.

- The lack of drama great, but we need to be in the game with bigger recruits & create more drama. Many times lack of drama means you're not competing for players with the big boys. That needs to change

- On that same note, I'm looking to see what Moorhead does in the 2021 class. It'll be his 3rd year & he's supposed to be a "relationship guy; meaning that after developing relationships with big time prospects for 3 years, if JoMo is not able to get us into the top 20 in the recruiting rankings, it's probably never going to happen.

- Not sure why it's so difficult for 247 to get the in-state players in the correct order. We can argue about 3 star or 4 star all day, but it shouldn't be too difficult to at least getting the players in a semi-correct order in the state. It'll be interesting to see how it's adjusted following the MS/AL game. https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MS

- Like out class this year, especially in a down talent year in MS. That being said, this feels like an 8 win class to me with good coaching(Which we don't have). Taking the next step as a program did not happen today, but remaining competitive for mid-level bowl games did. Again, 2021 is Moorhead's 3rd year. His ability to develop relationships has to show next year or it looks like we'll be stuck as long as he's the coach.

- The Lane train may get going at some point, but in looking at their first 7 games next year along with this recruiting class, he'll have to dig OM out of a hole to say the least.

- Along that same note, with OM's DL issues, we may be about to see a record amount of money spent on a recruit in McKinley Jackson. If Jackson signs with OM, we'll know what happened because there is absolutely no reason an undecided DL recruit would choose OM over LSU right now. Not possible. I'm guess his offer will supersede to AJ Brown offer.

- I saw where Maryland just flipped a 5 star WR. How come other schools appears to be able to do that but never us? For goodness sakes, we need a few of these WR recruits to pan out.

- Turned on the Chris Brooks show for 5 minutes only to hear 2 people including a host refer to spreading the talent around as socialist & communist. Again, and I've said numerous times, there are no dumber college football fans that those calling rules & policies that lead to more parity in the sport socialist & communist. Just a absolutely stupid, ignorant comment that displays a complete lack of understanding about what makes sports & entertainment work.

[msstate7]

We need to be progressing in recruiting like Frost is doing at Nebraska.

National rank (4-stars or better)...
2016 - 26th (4)
2017 - 23rd (4)
2018 - 23rd (6) ... frost first class on short time
2019 - 18th (7)
2020 - 17th (10)

Getting close to that top 15 mark and getting more 4-stars every year. This is a realistic goal for us.

Now it's time for frost to do it on the field next season.

[ShotgunDawg]

We need to be progressing in recruiting like Frost is doing at Nebraska.

National rank (4-stars or better)...
2016 - 26th (4)
2017 - 23rd (4)
2018 - 23rd (6) ... frost first class on short time
2019 - 18th (7)
2020 - 17th (10)

Getting close to that top 15 mark and getting more 4-stars every year. This is a realistic goal for us.

Now it's time for frost to do it on the field next season.

Absolutely. Again, Joe is a "relationship guy". That's his calling card.

If that's the case, then in year 3's recruiting class (2021) we need to see progress in the rankings & his ability to get us in the game with higher ranked guys

[Jarius]

Well this year's recruiting class is much more impressive than last year's. He is going to have a lower rated class but not by much and there is about a third of the in state high end talent this year. Next year should be a top 20 class if he is worth his salt.

[ShotgunDawg]

Well this year's recruiting class is much more impressive than last year's. He is going to have a lower rated class but not by much and there is about a third of the in state high end talent this year. Next year should be a top 20 class if he is worth his salt.

I don't disagree. He made the most out of a down year, except not getting in the game with Jackson.

2021 has to be top 20 or I just won't be able to figure out what Joe does well enough to take MSU to the next level

Stoops progression at UK gives me hope

[HoopsDawg]

Well this year's recruiting class is much more impressive than last year's. He is going to have a lower rated class but not by much and there is about a third of the in state high end talent this year. Next year should be a top 20 class if he is worth his salt.

Juco's really saved us this year.

[ShotgunDawg]

Juco's really saved us this year.

The good news on that end is that our early season schedule is lighter this coming year. Hopefully that gives them time to figure things out without costing us

[Jarius]

Juco's really saved us this year.

Well JUCOS are a large part of who we are as a program. Always have and always will be. We signed 6 this year. When you sign as many as we did in 17 you're going to have to continue that cycle every 2 years because of the quick turnover in juco products. I do not understand why we signed Caleb Ducking, but maybe he will work out. Other than that every single one looks to be a big time player. Key is probably the least known one outside of Ducking and he is going to be a monster IMO.

[ShotgunDawg]

Well JUCOS are a large part of who we are as a program. Always have and always will be. We signed 6 this year. When you sign as many as we did in 17 you're going to have to continue that cycle every 2 years because of the quick turnover in juco products. I do not understand why we signed Caleb Ducking, but maybe he will work out. Other than that every single one looks to be a big time player. Key is probably the least known one outside of Ducking and he is going to be a monster IMO.

I like the signing of Ducking for 2 reasons:

1. Our coaches worked him out at camp & like him enough to go all in. That means he checks the boxes on athleticism, size, & hands.

2. If we were going to take a chance at a position, WR is the correct position to take a chance at.

[RocketDawg]

What's our "star count" in today's early signing?

[Jarius]

I like the signing of Ducking for 2 reasons:

1. Our coaches worked him out at camp & like him enough to go all in. That means he checks the boxes on athleticism, size, & hands.

2. If we were going to take a chance at a position, WR is the correct position to take a chance at.


He has great size but he looks mighty slow to me for an SEC receiver. He is a long strider though so I'm sure he is faster than he looks. Hope he proves me wrong.

[vv83]

What's our "star count" in today's early signing?

Depends which service you use but I'll go with 5: Tulu, Heath, Marks, Davis, and Forbes

[Ari Gold]

Juco's really saved us this year.

Not like it did a few years ago..
And we should get 3-5 jucos every year if they are difference makers

[HailStateSZN19]

He has great size but he looks mighty slow to me for an SEC receiver. He is a long strider though so I'm sure he is faster than he looks. Hope he proves me wrong.

Did Ducking not get clocked sub-4.5 at our camp this summer? Pretty sure he’s got really good speed to be 6’4”.

[vv83]

He has great size but he looks mighty slow to me for an SEC receiver. He is a long strider though so I'm sure he is faster than he looks. Hope he proves me wrong.

So was Bear. Ducking is about 20 pounds lighter than him out of HS so a bit different body type so let's take a shot and see what happens

[Irondawg]

I do wish we could have held onto J. Brown as an OLB prospect. I thought maybe he'd delay until February but he did sign.

K. Bullock also got back in the OM boat. I liked him as well but I guess we were full at RB.

Don't like that Ducking isn't getting here until June. That makes him a RS for sure probably

[Bodawg]

Did Ducking not get clocked sub-4.5 at our camp this summer? Pretty sure he’s got really good speed to be 6’4”.
This is correct. Ducking was very impressive at camp. He just played in a system that does not pass much.

[ShotgunDawg]

He has great size but he looks mighty slow to me for an SEC receiver. He is a long strider though so I'm sure he is faster than he looks. Hope he proves me wrong.

Agree, but at least he's big. If he were big & fast, he would've been a 4/5 star WR. We'll see what he can do. If the body control is there, maybe he'll be good.

Again, it's the correct position to take a chance at

[ShotgunDawg]

Depends which service you use but I'll go with 5: Tulu, Heath, Marks, Davis, and Forbes

I think a few guys get bumps to 4 stars.

Cooley & Pegues are definitely 4 stars & I believe Rogers could be a 4 star as well. From watching him a few times this year, he's got a chance to be a quality SEC QB

[ShotgunDawg]

So was Bear. Ducking is about 20 pounds lighter than him out of HS so a bit different body type so let's take a shot and see what happens

Bear also wasn't great in the air. He was good at blocking out.

If Ducking can win some jump balls, then I'll gladly give up the 20 lbs

[Cooterpoot]

It’s an average class that fills a lot of needs. Still big issues at LB and I think the OL class is really weak. WR is nothing earth shattering but definitely an improvement.

[Jack Lambert]

Well this year's recruiting class is much more impressive than last year's. He is going to have a lower rated class but not by much and there is about a third of the in state high end talent this year. Next year should be a top 20 class if he is worth his salt.

so far as of now Ole Miss has only signed four Miss Kids.

[Jarius]

so far as of now Ole Miss has only signed four Miss Kids.

That's going to be the trend going forward IMO. Kiffin wants OOS guys.

[ShotgunDawg]

It’s an average class that fills a lot of needs. Still big issues at LB and I think the OL class is really weak. WR is nothing earth shattering but definitely an improvement.

It' a class that basically maintains where we are. On paper it doesn't really take us to another level

[Jack Lambert]

It' a class that basically maintains where we are. On paper it doesn't really take us to another level

At least the cup board isn't empty if Moorhead leaves next season. Keep it at 25 so the new guy can come in make something happen. Personally I think it would be better if Moorhead works out.

[Jarius]

At least the cup board isn't empty if Moorhead leaves next season. Keep it at 25 so the new guy can come in make something happen. Personally I think it would be better if Moorhead works out.

Yea. I wanted him gone. He's not leaving. I'm back in his corner until next year when I will be off the train again if he is terrible again. Bitching and complaining all off season does no one any good. Hope for the best and see what happens.

[HoopsDawg]

It’s an average class that fills a lot of needs. Still big issues at LB and I think the OL class is really weak. WR is nothing earth shattering but definitely an improvement.

Need to go all in on Edge Cooper and Robert Scott. I realize both are long shots. Might need a transfer RB too.

[ShotgunDawg]

At least the cup board isn't empty if Moorhead leaves next season. Keep it at 25 so the new guy can come in make something happen. Personally I think it would be better if Moorhead works out.

Agree.

The way I see it is that an MSU MUST be well above average at either coaching or recruiting. Thus far, Moorhead has appeared below average at coaching & average at recruiting.

I know some will say that he's an above average recruiter, but the evidence to this point just does not support that.

[ShotgunDawg]

Another way of looking at recruiting is this:

To compete at the highest levels of college football, you need at least 50% 4+ stars on you roster. Which means on average you need 10 per year.

Today we signed 5 4 stars with a good chance of getting may 2 of our signees bumps to 4 stars.

Not a bad class & solid, but has to get better if this program is going to improve

[confucius say]

Agree.

The way I see it is that an MSU MUST be well above average at either coaching or recruiting. Thus far, Moorhead has appeared below average at coaching & average at recruiting.

I know some will say that he's an above average recruiter, but the evidence to this point just does not support that.

As of now, his two classes, 2019 and 2020, are both top 25. Thats pretty good relative to our historical average. Mullen averaged 28 from 2010 through 2017. Not sure joe bumping that average to 24-25 makes a difference, but it is a start. To me, the consistency of being a top 25 class would help so that you dont have huge talent gaps. Dan put up a 17 and a 18, but also some 40?s

[ShotgunDawg]

As of now, his two classes, 2019 and 2020, are both top 25. Thats pretty good relative to our historical average. Mullen averaged 28 from 2010 through 2017. Not sure joe bumping that average to 24-25 makes a difference, but it is a start. To me, the consistency of being a top 25 class would help so that you dont have huge talent gaps. Dan put up a 17 and a 18, but also some 40?s

Eh. Mullen had some poorer classes due to lack of effort but he also had a few top 20 classes.

Moorhead has done exactly what Mullen did. Not a penny's worth of difference.

2021 will be big for him in recruiting because he should have relationships now with those guys. If he can't land a top 20 class next year, it's not going to happen.

Moorhead strikes me as a good relationship guy that is probably too scared to get involved in the streets with real recruiting. That will lead to more classes like this one.

Solid but not needle movers

[KOdawg1]

I'll give it a B-

Would've been a B+ had we not lost Hill to LSU

Finishing with these guys in February can move it towards an A:

https://247sports.com/Player/Edgerrin-Cooper-46058718/

https://247sports.com/Player/Marcus-Henderson-46048085/

https://247sports.com/Player/Kahlil-Benson-46081236/

https://247sports.com/Player/Quantavious-Leslie-46055363/

[HoopsDawg]

Eh. Mullen had some poorer classes due to lack of effort but he also had a few top 20 classes.

Moorhead has done exactly what Mullen did. Not a penny's worth of difference.

2021 will be big for him in recruiting because he should have relationships now with those guys. If he can't land a top 20 class next year, it's not going to happen.

Moorhead strikes me as a good relationship guy that is probably too scared to get involved in the streets with real recruiting. That will lead to more classes like this one.

Solid but not needle movers

Mullen bombed that 2018 class. Damn.

[confucius say]

Eh. Mullen had some poorer classes due to lack of effort but he also had a few top 20 classes.

Moorhead has done exactly what Mullen did. Not a penny's worth of difference.

2021 will be big for him in recruiting because he should have relationships now with those guys. If he can't land a top 20 class next year, it's not going to happen.

Moorhead strikes me as a good relationship guy that is probably too scared to get involved in the streets with real recruiting. That will lead to more classes like this one.

Solid but not needle movers

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

[NCDawg]

It’s an average class that fills a lot of needs. Still big issues at LB and I think the OL class is really weak. WR is nothing earth shattering but definitely an improvement.

It's about our usual ranking-somewhere aound 10th in the SEC. I don't recall when we ever in the top 6. These rankings shouldn't be counted as gospel, anyway-just what some people think. You never know how a kid will turn out.

[confucius say]

Mullen bombed that 2018 class. Damn.

2018 was part Dan and part joe. Joe took over December of 2017. So not really fair to give all the credit or all the blame to either.

Plus, 2018 was ranked 27, one spot ahead of dans average which was 28.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's about our usual ranking-somewhere aound 10th in the SEC. I don't recall when we ever in the top 6. These rankings shouldn't be counted as gospel, anyway-just what some people think. You never know how a kid will turn out.

The rankings are pretty accurate on the whole. Ridiculous at this point to discount that when college football shows us every year to that win anything of substance you have to be a top 10 recruiter

[TheLostDawg]

1 this hopefully is Moorhead last class filling Mullen holes, it's all on him after this class, no excuses
2 Morehead is suppose to be a good recruiter, he pretty much filled holes and did pretty good with limited relationship with these guys. He got who her needed to.
3 next year will tell is how good of a coach and recruiter he is. No question.
So.. let's hope he gets the ball rolling with a bowl win, gets couple more top recruits to move the needle on NSD, does well next season and capitalizes it on the recruiting trail.
If he does that then I believe he will win the base over and start to elevate the program. Hopefully he makes some staff changes to make this possible.
I think we all agree that where we are now should be the floor in all aspects.

[Cooterpoot]

Bear also wasn't great in the air. He was good at blocking out.

If Ducking can win some jump balls, then I'll gladly give up the 20 lbs


Need to go all in on Edge Cooper and Robert Scott. I realize both are long shots. Might need a transfer RB too.

We aren’t getting either of them. We passed on a transfer RB because we’ve signed two.

[Bdawg]

That's going to be the trend going forward IMO. Kiffin wants OOS guys.

I sure hope so

[dawgday166]

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

Those 2 classes as Jrs took MSU to #1 for 5 weeks (11 Final poll) and #19 in 2017. Joe's keeping us about where Mullen did so ... he gonna have to develop players about as good as Mullen did. I'm not confident he'll be able to do that.

[Jarius]

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.


I agree with the premise, but Dan's 2011 class ended up being the best class in the history of his time here. He could find diamonds with the best of them. Some of that class was due to him getting his ass kicked and plan B kids working out though.

[msstate7]

Dans only top 20 class was 2015. He also had a 41 in 2011 and a 36 in 2014. That is what joe has thus far avoided. I get that all of this is on paper, but that is all recruiting rankings are. On paper, joe has not yet thrown up two sub 35 classes like Dan did.

I suspect joe will recruit around 20-23 on paper on average, which is about as good as MSU will ever do sans freeze level cheating or an overhaul in scholly limitations because recruiting is more about the school than the coach.

Sec ranks since 2012:
2012 - 9th
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 11th
2017 - 9th
2018 - 9th
2019 - 11th
2020 - 10th

There isn't much difference. Hell, Moorhead's best class among peers is the one Mullen helped on. 2013-2016 Mullen squared up with OM's cheating peak, and he's basically matched Moorhead facing OM sitting on wallets for most part

[HoopsDawg]

We aren?t getting either of them. We passed on a transfer RB because we?ve signed two.

So we feel good with Walker, Witherspoon, and 2 true freshmen?

[dawgday166]

Sec ranks since 2012:
2012 - 9th
2013 - 10th
2014 - 12th
2015 - 8th
2016 - 11th
2017 - 9th
2018 - 9th
2019 - 11th
2020 - 10th

There isn't much difference. Hell, Moorhead's best class among peers is the one Mullen helped on. 2013-2016 Mullen squared up with OM's cheating peak, and he's basically matched Moorhead facing OM sitting on wallets for most part

For someone who works so hard at recruiting and loves it so much ... you'd think the results would be better. I'm betting this is another "once he has his QB" type deal or "Tommy better than Dak".

It's an average class IMO and he better work much harder than he currently is at developing them to come close to a 9 win season.

ETA: Plus we aren't getting at least half of the top tier in-state prospects near as I can tell. Other OOS schools coming into MS and taking what they want to.

[Cooterpoot]

So we feel good with Walker, Witherspoon, and 2 true freshmen?

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.

[msstate7]

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.

We should fix that now. Go get a transfer

[Scared_Hitless]

For someone who works so hard at recruiting and loves it so much ... you'd think the results would be better. I'm betting this is another "once he has his QB" type deal or "Tommy better than Dak".

It's an average class IMO and he better work much harder than he currently is at developing them to come close to a 9 win season.

ETA: Plus we aren't getting at least half of the top tier in-state prospects near as I can tell. Other OOS schools coming into MS and taking what they want to.

They always have and always will. Alot of kids in this state are not raised rooting for MSU. LSU and Alabama have just as much presence in some areas. He is recruiting about as well as possible at MSU. This is our peak it is what it is. We can strive to slowly climb. Moorhead's average player has been 87+ which is higher than the yearly average for Dan. Last year we were almost at 89 per player but we undersigned. Not really sure what you want from the guy getting guys likes Marks and Schrader are great pulls for us. He is not going to recruit well enough to develop poorly that will be where he makes or breaks.

[NCDawg]

Apparently so. Walker was a waste of a scholarship.

I don't know. I heard Moorhead bragging on him at one of his press conferences.

[timotheus]

Ha. Then he should start him next year and show us. We have greater needs at LB and OL as far as incoming recruits this year.

[Jarius]

We should fix that now. Go get a transfer

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....

[msstate7]

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....

I'm sure he's the next GOAT practice report guy.

[confucius say]

I agree with the premise, but Dan's 2011 class ended up being the best class in the history of his time here. He could find diamonds with the best of them. Some of that class was due to him getting his ass kicked and plan B kids working out though.

Oh for sure. Ive long said that outside of the top 8-10 classes, it is pretty much a crap shoot between 11-40.

[msstate7]

Oh for sure. Ive long said that outside of the top 8-10 classes, it is pretty much a crap shoot between 11-40.

I'd say top 15. Clemson built their first natty with these class ranks: 11, 9, 16, 15

[Jarius]

I'm sure he's the next GOAT practice report guy.

Maybe so. I have no idea. Neither does the guy pretending he does know. He was an under armor all American in HS and went to Michigan. This isn't little Timmy from Scott Central we are talking about.

[dawgday166]

They always have and always will. Alot of kids in this state are not raised rooting for MSU. LSU and Alabama have just as much presence in some areas. He is recruiting about as well as possible at MSU. This is our peak it is what it is. We can strive to slowly climb. Moorhead's average player has been 87+ which is higher than the yearly average for Dan. Last year we were almost at 89 per player but we undersigned. Not really sure what you want from the guy getting guys likes Marks and Schrader are great pulls for us. He is not going to recruit well enough to develop poorly that will be where he makes or breaks.

In that case ... I'm looking for Joe to be cranking out 10 win seasons starting in 2 or 3 years. One right after another **

[msstate7]

Maybe so. I have no idea. Neither does he.

Add me too. I hope I'm wrong bc we need a guy to be ready day 1

[Jarius]

Add me too. I hope I'm wrong bc we need a guy to be ready day 1

The good news is that Marks is supposedly going to get some bowl practice reps.

[msstate7]

The good news is that Marks is supposedly going to get some bowl practice reps.

That is good news

[confucius say]

I'd say top 15. Clemson built their first natty with these class ranks: 11, 9, 16, 15

I think anything outside of top 10 better have a big time nfl qb. Like Watson. Or Dak for that matter. Elite qb can be a equalizer for a 10-15 recruiter.

[Homedawg]

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....

I've got the same info he has. Take it for what it's worth.....

[NCDawg]

I've got the same info he has. Take it for what it's worth.....

Which means that either Moorhead or your source is not telling the truth.

[timotheus]

I've got the same info he has. Take it for what it's worth.....

Just wait til spring and we will start to see which way Joe leans with Walker. One thing is for sure so far in that he has really gone to great lengths to make sure "his" guys play. I can only assume that he plans on having Walker log some major PT, if not then I'll chalk it up to JoMO being a guru again.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

There was a reason that Ohio State dropped Walker and he ended up in Michigan. Same reason why he left Michigan. Same reason he was delayed in getting here. Hope we hired a babysitter for him.

[HoopsDawg]

The good news is that Marks is supposedly going to get some bowl practice reps.

nope, not going to happen.

[Turfdawg67]

Maybe so. I have no idea. Neither does the guy pretending he does know. He was an under armor all American in HS and went to Michigan. This isn't little Timmy from Scott Central we are talking about.

Nobody knows... especially someone that is compelled to comment on every thread, and post 25-50 times a day. For the others, it's almost like a vendetta against the kid. Hoops/Home (who can tell em apart?) is the first to rip him whenever his name is mentioned.

[Todd4State]

There was a reason that Ohio State dropped Walker and he ended up in Michigan. Same reason why he left Michigan. Same reason he was delayed in getting here. Hope we hired a babysitter for him.

Getting him into school was a minor miracle.

[dawgday166]

Getting him into school was a minor miracle.

I'm betting what we're gonna see is ... Guidry part Deaux.

[MetEdDawg]

According to our folks we've signed 16 4 or 5 stars in Moorhead's 3 years.

That's apparently the most over any 3 year span since 2000 when recruiting rankings really started becoming a thing for 24/7

[Cooterpoot]

Or maybe a former 4 star that is getting rave reviews by our SEC rushing leader and head coach isn't a waste of scholarship and a random guy on a message board saying he is a waste doesn't have all of the info....

The guy has failed on the field and classroom. He's got one season left. He's not all of a sudden going to be good. Couldn't even start for his Juco team. Still isn't even eligible.
We took him after we missed on absolutely everyone. We only had two RBs this year, plus a FR that was also a reach (but has shown flashes).

[Dawgcap]

Damn some of y’all amaze me. We don’t just shit on a coach but players anytime possible but yet claim to be fans.

[Jarius]

The guy has failed on the field and classroom. He's got one season left. He's not all of a sudden going to be good. Couldn't even start for his Juco team. sn't even eligible.
We took him after we missed on absolutely everyone. We only had two RBs this year, plus a FR that was also a reach (but has shown flashes).

Maybe so. He was at one time a 5 star and #1 tailback in the nation. He has had issues for sure. Talent has never been one of his issues though. You will have to forgive me for not taking people with "sources" word on here after the past month. Our starting tailback bringing up how good he is unprompted gives me a little bit of hope that the light bulb will come home. I can't say that I expect it.

[Todd4State]

I'm betting what we're gonna see is ... Guidry part Deaux.

Forced on the field while better players sit? Very possible.


The guy has failed on the field and classroom. He's got one season left. He's not all of a sudden going to be good. Couldn't even start for his Juco team. Still isn't even eligible.
We took him after we missed on absolutely everyone. We only had two RBs this year, plus a FR that was also a reach (but has shown flashes).

Well he will be eligible next barring him not doing what he is supposed to.

[maroonmania]

I'm sure he's the next GOAT practice report guy.

Well, he was a 5 star RB. You know, recruiting rankings and all being the topic of discussion here.

[msstate7]

Well, he was a 5 star RB. You know, recruiting rankings and all being the topic of discussion here.

3* when we signed him.

[Dawgcap]

Hell let’s kick him off the team. He definitely sucks because we know from several he does

[maroonmania]

3* when we signed him.

Anyone who has EVER been rated a 5 star as HS recruit doesn't lack for talent. Whether we can get that talent out of him certainly remains to be seen.

[msstate7]

Anyone who has EVER been rated a 5 star as HS recruit doesn't lack for talent. Whether we can get that talent out of him certainly remains to be seen.

I suppose so, but he was .9505 (4-star), not 5*.

[Homedawg]

Which means that either Moorhead or your source is not telling the truth.

In this case, based on his record vs mine, I'd say it's him who's false....

[maroonmania]

I suppose so, but he was .9505 (4-star), not 5*.

Well, I know he was at one time the #1 rated RB in his class. So whatever.

[Dawgcap]

In this case, based on his record vs mine, I'd say it's him who's false....

Yeah because we win more games with you as a coach. Shit you are seriously underpaid.

[Homedawg]

Yeah because we win more games with you as a coach. Shit you are seriously underpaid.

To be fair, I could have been the coach, gotten out of the way, and said nothing and our record the last two years would be no worse. None.

[Homedawg]

Well, I know he was at one time the #1 rated RB in his class. So whatever.

Check his juco record. Or... you can go by how joe said he did against our scout team.... he will be our 3rd best back at best next year OR we are in deep shit. Or both.

[HoopsDawg]

To be fair, I could have been the coach, gotten out of the way, and said nothing and our record the last two years would be no worse. None.

True statement.

[Dannyripms]

We need to sign on average 10 4 stars every year. Shoot for that goal every year. That will put us in the 15-20 range depending on how high our 3 stars are.