Kiffin to ole miss appears to be a done deal

[bulldawg28]

Look at the defense
Who?s to say JRP is even the QB
And that schedule is brutal
6-6 would be a really good job..

Is Kif an upgrade over ML absolutely... is it possible he is there only 2 years absolutely...

OM is getting exactly what they crave... More eyes from college football on them. No matter if the outcome means they win more football games or the program derails and is another total disaster...

I will give them this ... They are and go ALL IN and do whatever they have to do to try and win at football. The other school in the state on the other hand not so much... yet we still find ways to win more than we lose.. just think if we gave the football program more tools, more help in certain areas behind the scene , resources , ect......

Imo the best thing about the blackbears hiring Kiffin is the turning point for our university. I think it finally makes the athletic department wake up or get left behind.

[vv83]

It was ranked higher than ours last year, and is probably 60-70% of the time. What good has it done them? Our program has been far more consistent the last decade.

Who cares what good it has done them.. the real question is how bad has it hurt us? I get not every recruit we go head to head on but each year there are 4-7 they get that we wanted. If we get those guys we take the next step. It’s that simple.

We shouldn’t be content with saying they have a better class every year but we beat them 3 out of 5 and stay in that 7-5 range. So who knows if it does them any good but it definitely hurts us.

[DownwardDawg]

It was ranked higher than ours last year, and is probably 60-70% of the time. What good has it done them? Our program has been far more consistent the last decade.

This 100%. They sign stars, regardless of position. They always beat Dan recruiting but Dan signed the position players we needed. Hopefully Moorehead will do the same.

[DownwardDawg]

I predict they will bring in at least two top 15 classes. I'm not worried about them on the field as much as us losing out on chances to get some much needed skill players in our area. Guys that we would normally have a very good chance of signing, buying into the cotton candy culture that is Ole Miss/Freshwater.

This is a good point. One or two players they steal from us could make the difference in an SEC west title for us. Assuming we turn the corner. Imagine if we would have had Evan Ingram when Dak was here. We needed 1 more piece of the puzzle.

[Liverpooldawg]

I hope some of you guys along with our university administrators have thick skin. Kiffin will stir the rivalry pot like non other. The same way Dan trolled them 365 days it's going to be headed back to the bulldog nation.

I expect he'll bring his brother back whose a good coach and great recruiter. He'll probably put together a decent coaching staff and have a turnaround within 2 years. This has the makings to be a Hugh Freeze situation in wins .


Take your maroon biased glasses off and see the reality of the football situation. Ole Miss if they hire Kiffin just went 5 levels above us in the win column and seriousness about winning. We can cry wolf and expect the NCAA to come but let's be real. They didn't dismantle anything before and will not in the future. Ole miss is tired of losing to MSU and want revenge.


Buckle up boys this rivalry just became fun again!

They made a desperate hire that in all likelihood will bite hem big time.

[Liverpooldawg]

Imo the best thing about the blackbears hiring Kiffin is the turning point for our university. I think it finally makes the athletic department wake up or get left behind.

Kiffen? Good grief get a grip. It's Lane Kiffen, not Vince Lombardi.

[Liverpooldawg]

He should. Seems to have grown up. He can coach, and has NO problems cutting corners in recruiting. OM has a lot better coach than we do now. And can actually live up to the offensive guru title

He hasn't grown up. His twitter feed is Jr high level at times.

[Liverpooldawg]

Correct. They HAD to have a "press conference" hire. Now, I think Kiffin will do well there, and if you look back since Luke was fired, I have said Kiffin was their guy.

Once Norvell was not gonna take it, they had to make a BIG splash. Doesn't matter if there are more solid coaches to hire. Kiffin guarantees national headlines and ticket sells.

They didn't make a big splash. They hired Lane Kiffen, last seen as a head coach at a school that anybody knows where it is standing on the tarmac as the USC plane left him behind at a road game. They hired a retread with more baggage than Delta Airlines.

[msstate7]

Why? Ten is way higher recruiter at home.

Ky last year? They were 10-3 and a comparable recruiter and at home. Now 28-7 was extreme, but the loss itself is not a minus.

Tenn lost to ga southern and BYU at home.

Kentucky was not more talented than us. We were the favorite.

Quit making excuses for joe.

[fieldcorporal]

Kiffin isn't anywhere close to the level of coach Freeze is though.

I don't think he's capable of getting it to Freeze levels and I don't think OM will ever be able to recruit like that again until they build some credibility with a bowl streak or numerous winning seasons in a row.

If they jump from 4 wins to a top 15 recruiting class, the may as well just go tell the NCAA what their doing.

OM recruiting ha$ nothing to do with the quality of the program - wins/credibility/bowl streaks.

and they could totally not give a shxt about the ncaa...

[Liverpooldawg]

This is possibly one of the most head in the pounded sand post ever.

I'm a USC fan second behind MSU. I know about Lane Kiffen. He ain't what y'all are making him out to be to promote your agenda.

[vv83]

This is a good point. One or two players they steal from us could make the difference in an SEC west title for us. Assuming we turn the corner. Imagine if we would have had Evan Ingram when Dak was here. We needed 1 more piece of the puzzle.

Yeah. I see all this stuff about how they recruit stars and finish higher there but we have better on field performances. That is scenario A. We know how that plays out we’ve seen it a hundred times. Everyone seems to be happy scenario A will continue. We need to move to Scenario B: of those 4 to 7 players we start getting half of them and consistently go up to an 8-4 to 9-3 type of team playing in the next tier of bowl games. And who gives a shit what ole miss does, just beat them once a year and forget about it. Everyone needs to stop being content with scenario A. Ole Miss doesn’t define us. They’re our rivals and we hate them but there are bigger fish.

Lane Kiffin is a dagger for our program because he will keep us in scenario A. Everyone says they aren’t scared of Lane as a coach, and while that may be true and they stay a bottom dweller, he will 100% prevent us from going to scenario B. But some of y’all seem content with ole miss just being bad and beating them 66% of the time while we stay perpetually 6-6 with an 8-4 when things “line up”

Our current coach has shown he needs higher talent levels to succeed. Maybe Joe’s ceiling is higher with his guys and talent level but Dan could get more done with less. So this only makes this a larger issue for us, the way I see it.

[MaroonFlounder]

I can't believe the number of MSU fans already conceding the Golden Egg to the Lane train next year.

Bunch of wusses.

[Todd4State]

Look at the defense
Who?s to say JRP is even the QB
And that schedule is brutal
6-6 would be a really good job..

Is Kif an upgrade over ML absolutely... is it possible he is there only 2 years absolutely...

OM is getting exactly what they crave... More eyes from college football on them. No matter if the outcome means they win more football games or the program derails and is another total disaster...

I will give them this ... They are and go ALL IN and do whatever they have to do to try and win at football. The other school in the state on the other hand not so much... yet we still find ways to win more than we lose.. just think if we gave the football program more tools, more help in certain areas behind the scene , resources , ect......

This is a good post. I will say at least Joe is a better recruiter than Dan so that should help lessen any blow there some.

It?s also why we need to hire Napier if Joe fails. We need someone that knows how to build a program.

Personally with my maroon glasses off by the way that we are still in a good situation. Moorhead will either figure it out or be fired in a year. And then we have a chance to one up then again now that they have made their move so to speak. One outcome is bad short term but either one is good long term for us.

[Cowboydawg]

Kiffen? Good grief get a grip. It's Lane Kiffen, not Vince Lombardi.

It?s embarrassing the way our fans are acting about OM hiring Kiffin. He took the preseason #1 team in the country at USC and went 6-6. He took a potential 12-0 team and went 6-6. Our fans are outraged that Moorhead went 6-6 with an 8-4 team but Kiffin is the savior for OM? His short tenures have ended in failure everywhere he has been as a head coach except 2 good seasons with Florida Atlantic. Raiders - fail, TN - fail, USC - fail... but he has those 2 good seasons with FAU so. He?s taking over a team with a broken culture and about to compete in the SEC West. Not just a team with a broken culture but arguably an entire school with a broken culture. But our fans have faith he will succeed and make our life miserable despite his lengthy his track record of failure? Oh but Joe Moorhead can never be a good coach here and all it took was first two seasons as head coach to figure that out.

[Todd4State]

Imo the best thing about the blackbears hiring Kiffin is the turning point for our university. I think it finally makes the athletic department wake up or get left behind.

More like we need Cohen to realize that he’s really not smarter than everyone else.

[dawgday166]

He actually has a positive coach effect based on the analytics (recruiting rankings + home field advantage).

You a Dave Bartoo guy? I like him alright but he really is an idiot. A lot of 3* players end up in the pros and he never accounts for that, therefore Joe has a positive coach effect. To Bartoo a player's talent is fixed at the age of 18 apparently.

The last 2 years have been Mullen's "coach effect" really since ... he developed all those players.

Bartoo was also making the case for Joe's offense based on opponents defensive efficiencies. But that doesn't take into account garbage points we accumulated in garbage time. Just the whole game.

[TrapGame]

Kiffen? Good grief get a grip. It's Lane Kiffen, not Vince Lombardi.

Yeah, I'm not going doom and gloom over Kiffen. Splashy hire that may get some of our boosters worried. I just don't see Kiffen coaching ole miss to championship seasons. He's a 8-4 coach in the SECW.

[dawgday166]

Yeah, I'm not going doom and gloom over Kiffen. Splashy hire that may get some of our boosters worried. I just don't see Kiffen coaching ole miss to championship seasons. He's a 8-4 coach in the SECW.

I kinda think he'll be a 6 to 9 win coach at OM and if they start cheating again like under Freeze maybe better than that some years. He's probably an above average hire but not a HR.

ETA: Which means he'll beat us consistently cause Joe is a below average coach.

[basedog]

I kinda think he'll be a 6 to 9 win coach at OM and if they start cheating again like under Freeze maybe better than that some years. He's probably an above average hire but not a HR.

ETA: Which means he'll beat us consistently cause Joe is a below average coach.

We didn't lose the egg bowl like many predicted and to early to say who we lose or beat.

Damn this is so embarrassing with the love some have for Kiffin. I don't care, hell he ain't Johnny Vaught nor will he be even close. Get a gripe y'all!

[Todd4State]

We didn't lose the egg bowl like many predicted and to early to say who we lose or beat.

Damn this is so embarrassing with the love some have for Kiffin. I don't care, hell he ain't Johnny Vaught nor will he be even close. Get a gripe y'all!

Same people that said that Plumlee would run all over us. And now they hire a coach who my guess is won’t even use him at QB unless it’s as a wildcat QB.

[parabrave]

If Aykey was about to overpay for the guy that gave rebirth to O, then how much will OM overpay to get SEC nation to Oxford twice every year?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

The only advantage Kiffin has is that he has experience in the SEC and his brother knows the network and what they did wrong last time. Unless he hires a good DC, they'll continue to be an incomplete team.

[Captain Falcon]

I kinda think he'll be a 6 to 9 win coach at OM and if they start cheating again like under Freeze maybe better than that some years. He's probably an above average hire but not a HR.

ETA: Which means he'll beat us consistently cause Joe is a below average coach.

If Joe is indeed a below average coach, he will only get one opportunity to lose to Kiffin. And if he turns out to be good then we have no problem.

[TrapGame]

There's an SDS article out there saying Coach O told Kiffin not to take the ole miss job cause he'd regret it.

[Spiderman]

They didn't make a big splash. They hired Lane Kiffen, last seen as a head coach at a school that anybody knows where it is standing on the tarmac as the USC plane left him behind at a road game. They hired a retread with more baggage than Delta Airlines.

Every major national college football writer has weighed in on it. It's a national story. The PC will be heavily covered. It IS a splash hire.

Had OM hired Clark or Napier or McIntyre, do you think they would have gotten this buzz?

No way in hell. They will sell a ton of tickets off this.

[msstate7]

Every major national college football writer has weighed in on it. It's a national story. The PC will be heavily covered. It IS a splash hire.

Had OM hired Clark or Napier or McIntyre, do you think they would have gotten this buzz?

No way in hell. They will sell a ton of tickets off this.

Yep. Wait till we see the spring game attendance difference between our game and theirs.

[RougeDawg]

Yep. Wait till we see the spring game attendance difference between our game and theirs.

Attendance? I?d be shocked if our offense even shows up for our spring game with their track record.

Speaking of, Has anyone filed a missing persons report for our offense yet?

[Bdawg]

Yeah. I see all this stuff about how they recruit stars and finish higher there but we have better on field performances. That is scenario A. We know how that plays out we’ve seen it a hundred times. Everyone seems to be happy scenario A will continue. We need to move to Scenario B: of those 4 to 7 players we start getting half of them and consistently go up to an 8-4 to 9-3 type of team playing in the next tier of bowl games. And who gives a shit what ole miss does, just beat them once a year and forget about it. Everyone needs to stop being content with scenario A. Ole Miss doesn’t define us. They’re our rivals and we hate them but there are bigger fish.

Lane Kiffin is a dagger for our program because he will keep us in scenario A. Everyone says they aren’t scared of Lane as a coach, and while that may be true and they stay a bottom dweller, he will 100% prevent us from going to scenario B. But some of y’all seem content with ole miss just being bad and beating them 66% of the time while we stay perpetually 6-6 with an 8-4 when things “line up”

Our current coach has shown he needs higher talent levels to succeed. Maybe Joe’s ceiling is higher with his guys and talent level but Dan could get more done with less. So this only makes this a larger issue for us, the way I see it.

That's pretty well put.

[basedog]

Yep. Wait till we see the spring game attendance difference between our game and theirs.

Allen Iverson say "Practice mane, we talkn bout Practice"!

[vv83]

That's pretty well put.

Thanks, I wish more on here would realize that. Lane can go there and only win 3 games each season but as long as he's getting those players we stay in the same situation. It's the unfortunate truth but I'd love to be wrong.. Joe's bright spot seems to be recruiting so maybe he can do that for us.

[MedDawg]

Who cares what good it has done them.. the real question is how bad has it hurt us? I get not every recruit we go head to head on but each year there are 4-7 they get that we wanted. If we get those guys we take the next step. It?s that simple.

We shouldn?t be content with saying they have a better class every year but we beat them 3 out of 5 and stay in that 7-5 range. So who knows if it does them any good but it definitely hurts us.

Neither team gets all the best Mississippi players, neither has since Sherrill arrived and neither likely ever will. We could hire Saban from Alabama and wouldn't get all the best Mississippi players. We did better when Freeze ignored Mississippi to go for national recruits, but we still didn't get them all. OM did better in 2006 when they had Orgeron and we had Croom, but OM isn't likely to hire a Croom, or their boosters won't allow even a bad coach (Matt Luke) to not get some of the best Mississippi kids.

[vv83]

Neither team gets all the best Mississippi players, neither has since Sherrill arrived and neither likely ever will. We could hire Saban from Alabama and wouldn't get all the best Mississippi players. We did better when Freeze ignored Mississippi to go for national recruits, but we still didn't get them all. OM did better in 2006 when they had Orgeron and we had Croom, but OM isn't likely to hire a Croom, or their boosters won't allow even a bad coach (Matt Luke) to not get some of the best Mississippi kids.

Yup. As noted it?s not getting all the kids. It?s getting a couple more pieces needed each year. Forbes for example would 100% be a rebel in prior years so kudos to Joe there. Now let’s see if he can still do that in 2021 against Kiffin

[Bdawg]

Thanks, I wish more on here would realize that. Lane can go there and only win 3 games each season but as long as he's getting those players we stay in the same situation. It's the unfortunate truth but I'd love to be wrong.. Joe's bright spot seems to be recruiting so maybe he can do that for us.

Hopefully Joe can. Seems to be doing ok with Forbes. I know we won't ever get them all but would be nice to get a little more than just the majority.

[Todd4State]

Yeah. I see all this stuff about how they recruit stars and finish higher there but we have better on field performances. That is scenario A. We know how that plays out we?ve seen it a hundred times. Everyone seems to be happy scenario A will continue. We need to move to Scenario B: of those 4 to 7 players we start getting half of them and consistently go up to an 8-4 to 9-3 type of team playing in the next tier of bowl games. And who gives a shit what ole miss does, just beat them once a year and forget about it. Everyone needs to stop being content with scenario A. Ole Miss doesn?t define us. They?re our rivals and we hate them but there are bigger fish.

Lane Kiffin is a dagger for our program because he will keep us in scenario A. Everyone says they aren?t scared of Lane as a coach, and while that may be true and they stay a bottom dweller, he will 100% prevent us from going to scenario B. But some of y?all seem content with ole miss just being bad and beating them 66% of the time while we stay perpetually 6-6 with an 8-4 when things ?line up?

Our current coach has shown he needs higher talent levels to succeed. Maybe Joe?s ceiling is higher with his guys and talent level but Dan could get more done with less. So this only makes this a larger issue for us, the way I see it.

You're exactly right. I think recruiting is a big reason why Dan was never ever able to- or going to be able to take us beyond 8-4 with 10 wins being the rare ceiling. Joe is starting to maybe do that Scenario B you are talking about but we really won't know for a couple of more years even though no one wants to talk about it.