MSU Offenses over the last 20 years sorted by Run/Pass/Total

[YoungB]

Cliff Notes:
Not a Dumpster Fire.
He is running the ball

source (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html)

https://i.imgur.com/JempRSL.png


https://i.imgur.com/S52zlVl.png

[Activated Alpha]

Now that is a presentation. Well done sir!

[Homedawg]

So he has better offenses than Croom. Gotcha....

[StateDawg44]

Any way to see it showing against only SEC opponents?

[NeuteredDawg]

Please refrain from facts. Simply site anonymous sources that you don?t have and bash Moorhead. Forget the rest. **

[confucius say]

Interesting.
Especially considering per Sagarin our SOS was top 11 in 2018 and 2019 whereas Dan only faced 1 season with a SOS higher than 15 (2009).

[Doggie_Style]

Any way to see it showing against only SEC opponents?

I was thinking the same thing....also Points per game SEC only

[msstate7]

So he has better offenses than Croom. Gotcha....

Give that man an extra year

[MrKotter]

I can pull up stats and figures to sway any argument any way I want. If I had not seen Moorhead?s offense with my own eyes I might think you had a legitimate argument. Unfortunately, I have and you don?t.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Cliff Notes:
Not a Dumpster Fire.
He is running the ball

source (https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-team-offense.html)

https://i.imgur.com/JempRSL.png


https://i.imgur.com/S52zlVl.png


Good post, but there are a few things that stand out to me:

1) You misspelled Croom.
2) While your numbers show that he is running the ball, the issue is your stats don't factor in attempts. He can have more rushing yards per game, simply because there are more called run plays.
3) There is not a balance. I would think that you'd expect your passing game numbers to be higher than your rushing totals. It's easier to gain yards through the air in large quantities over busting a long run. When I see passing totals that low, it factors into what some have referenced in regards to what they've seen (or we all have for that matter) just simply watching our offense play.

[Really Clark?]

Good work. I will say though that just raw numbers doesn’t tell the whole story when looking back that far. You are dealing with different landscapes of college football over the years. Like 2000 was close in yards but ranked 46th nationally, a good bit ahead of Mullen’s first years and Moorehead last 2 years. Also, what was each teams starting point prior to the coaches arrival and the increase or decrease compared to the previous coach.

[Technetium]

Stats like YPG can be misleading given the tempo differences among offenses (e.g., "check with me" is likely going to be slower than hurry up, and so will likely produce fewer total yards but perhaps with benefit of greater time of possession).

While these have their own flaws, below are additional stats I think would be necessary for context when comparing vs historical data:

Offensive Points Per Game vs Power 5 opponents (points win games)
Points Per Possession vs Power 5 opponents (how efficient are we at turning offensive possessions into points)
Yards per Play vs Power 5 opponents, ideally broken down by passing & running plays (how efficient is the offense at generating yardage)
Yards per Possession vs Power 5 opponents (how far do we typically move the ball on offense each possession; while impacted by starting position, it nicely ignores Air Raid vs 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust strategy differences)

[confucius say]

Good post, but there are a few things that stand out to me:

1) You misspelled Croom.
2) While your numbers show that he is running the ball, the issue is your stats don't factor in attempts. He can have more rushing yards per game, simply because there are more called run plays.
3) There is not a balance. I would think that you'd expect your passing game numbers to be higher than your rushing totals. It's easier to gain yards through the air in large quantities over busting a long run. When I see passing totals that low, it factors into what some have referenced in regards to what they've seen (or we all have for that matter) just simply watching our offense play.

Regarding number 2, Without looking at 2019 numbers, I would guess we ran less plays than dan normally ran because we now take forever to run plays. Would be interested to see how our yards per play measures up

[Really Clark?]

Regarding number 2, Without looking at 2019 numbers, I would guess we ran less plays than dan normally ran because we now take forever to run plays. Would be interested to see how our yards per play measures up

Moorehead has a higher yard per play, about .6 of a yard more than Dan. But when you offset the number of plays you run to such a large degree it becomes a negative in the overall number. Dan was Top 20 his last year and we have dropped to 97th and 106th in plays the last two years. Way to large of a drop for the yards per play to be a positive net effect.

[Turteltaubed]

Regarding number 2, Without looking at 2019 numbers, I would guess we ran less plays than dan normally ran because we now take forever to run plays. Would be interested to see how our yards per play measures up

Average plays per game (national rank):
2009- 70.1 (46th)
2010- 71.2 (47th)
2011- 67.9 (88th)
2012- 66.8 (111th)
2013- 74.2 (57th)
2014- 80.2 (16th)
2015- 75.2 (48th)
2016- 73.2 (61st)
2017- 76.2 (27th)
2018- 65.9 (117th)
2019- 67.1 (109th)

Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game?date=2019-12-06

[confucius say]

Moorehead has a higher yard per play, about .6 of a yard more than Dan. But when you offset the number of plays you run to such a large degree it becomes a negative in the overall number. Dan was Top 20 his last year and we have dropped to 97th and 106th in plays the last two years. Way to large of a drop for the yards per play to be a positive net effect.

Agreed. Hard to stay in rhythm too when going so slow. I do think it prob helped in keeping our defense off the field though

[confucius say]

Average plays per game (national rank):
2009- 70.1 (46th)
2010- 71.2 (47th)
2011- 67.9 (88th)
2012- 66.8 (111th)
2013- 74.2 (57th)
2014- 80.2 (16th)
2015- 75.2 (48th)
2016- 73.2 (61st)
2017- 76.2 (27th)
2018- 65.9 (117th)
2019- 67.1 (109th)

Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game?date=2019-12-06

Good find.

[HancockCountyDog]

Are we just going to pretend that he didn't run for over 825 yards against Abi Christian and Arkansas this year?

[HancockCountyDog]

Also is this supposed to help Joe? He came here talking about creating an offense that could be explosive yet only had three Croom years and two Mullen years (2009 first year here) that his passing offense was better than. I mean holy hell.

If anything this spreadsheet should be a damning indictment on Joe. I'm not sure if the person posting it was trying to do that, but when CJS has more passing yards than you in the 2000-2003 time frame, you really struggle to be able to defend yourself.

[HoopsDawg]

We didn't have a receiver reach 400 yards. Do y'all realize how hard that is to accomplish in today's game? Even Army had a guy with 400 yards.

[HailStateSZN19]

We didn't have a receiver reach 400 yards. Do y'all realize how hard that is to accomplish in today's game? Even Army had a guy with 400 yards.

You could take our leading WR from this year (Deddrick with 390) and add last year's leading WR (Guidry with 440) and you're still 170 yards away from 1,000 yards.... geez.

[timotheus]

He just needs more time********

[HancockCountyDog]

We didn't have a receiver reach 400 yards. Do y'all realize how hard that is to accomplish in today's game? Even Army had a guy with 400 yards.

Just wait until Javonta Payton gets here next year. According to Steve is an NFL guy. True difference maker. Damn NCAA and making him sit out this year.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Stats like YPG can be misleading given the tempo differences among offenses (e.g., "check with me" is likely going to be slower than hurry up, and so will likely produce fewer total yards but perhaps with benefit of greater time of possession).

While these have their own flaws, below are additional stats I think would be necessary for context when comparing vs historical data:

Offensive Points Per Game vs Power 5 opponents (points win games)
Points Per Possession vs Power 5 opponents (how efficient are we at turning offensive possessions into points)
Yards per Play vs Power 5 opponents, ideally broken down by passing & running plays (how efficient is the offense at generating yardage)
Yards per Possession vs Power 5 opponents (how far do we typically move the ball on offense each possession; while impacted by starting position, it nicely ignores Air Raid vs 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust strategy differences)

Good call. I don't have time to do a deep dive -- I told someone else in another thread I was going to soon, but I've been slammed at work; I'll get on it soon, y'all -- but here's some of the stuff you're looking for, at least among SEC teams:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK4L6pRW4AAQn7l.jpg

(I didn't make that, by the way. Credit goes to this dude (https://twitter.com/NicholasCarr/status/1201911391717920771) -- and, yes, I can see what team he roots for -- whose stuff I find retweeted by Bill Connelly frequently.)

[Gutter Cobreh]

Good call. I don't have time to do a deep dive -- I told someone else in another thread I was going to soon, but I've been slammed at work; I'll get on it soon, y'all -- but here's some of the stuff you're looking for, at least among SEC teams:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK4L6pRW4AAQn7l.jpg

(I didn't make that, by the way. Credit goes to this dude (https://twitter.com/NicholasCarr/status/1201911391717920771) -- and, yes, I can see what team he roots for -- whose stuff I find retweeted by Bill Connelly frequently.)

Great stuff Prediction!!

Looks like our offense was middle of the pack, while our defense was simply atrocious! Funny how Shoop gets a pass, yet Moorhead is continually raked over the coals.

Using emotion, I think our suspended players had a HUGE (much larger than gets discussed) impact on us this year. While they wouldn't have helped us move the ball, I would say they not only impacted the defensive stats but our offensive starting position (which we're again at the bottom).

[Gutter Cobreh]

Also interesting that Ole Miss' defense was better than ours in all categories except TO margin.

If you would have asked me who ranked worse, I would have said theirs by a large margin.

[Coach34]

Cant really compare offenses from 2005 to 2019. We have had an offensive explosion since 2000- due to the hurry ups, check with me's, targeting rules to hamper defense, hitting defenseless players, etc.