Ok, here's the full scoop from pre Egg Bowl through today....

[RougeDawg]

Prior to the game the horse's mouth, or should I now say the gelding's mouth, told multiple media persons that JoVester had to win the EB in convincing fashion or he was gone. All parties had verbally agreed upon the buyout (amount that was mentioned here Thursday was correct). Jo knew he was a dead man walking and was prepared to leave.

The coaching search started after the UT shitshow, although most prominent boosters and former players wanted it to start toward the end of last season. All of the names that were mentioned here Thursday were confirmed candidates from the Gelding's mouth to the media members. There were also some others that I was actually surprised to hear reached out to us over the last few weeks (Academy program coaches with spread option offenses were just some of them).

Verbatim from IB, I mean the Gelding's mouth "anything other than a convincing win in the EB, and we are making the move". Multiple media persons and boosters can and will confirm this. The media people also said the Gelding brought up Tutorgate and firing a coach going to two bowls would be an issue. There were other minuscule excuses brought up as well. No reasons from the Gelding had any positive results to back them up. He is a disgrace, which you will see in a minute.

I know many of you were pissed and turned off by the post game press conference but that was just the start. After that JoVester proceeded to use the slim margin, piss penalty aided win, to renege on his initial buyout agreement and make threats. A full buyout for all coaches was demanded after the "convincing win" and threats were made if those demands were not met. At this point we needed all cigar boys to come together and agree. A good bit of the CB's did not agree after their Viagra kicked in after a 1 point EB win.

As we have seen, the Gelding folded like a lawn chair. Partially because SloMo keeps IB's sack in his pocket, but the other part is that half of our Cigar Boys are satisfied with 6-6 and beating OM. The loser mentality group, including the Gelding, won out and we all have to suffer.

From the Athletic Department knowing about Nick Spoon and tutorgate and not getting rid of said tutor before the football players got involved, to this shit show. This is our athletic department. They could have exhiled the tutor after they found out about Nick, but they did not. They did their usual small town snail approach and allowed it to snare other athletes. We let a lame duck coach hold us hostage after verbally agreeing to a buyout. We let a mustang payment hold out a great athlete, while Memphis a basketball player miss a few games. We have a 1950's approach in 2019. These are the results we will continue to receive until the house is cleaned. It may need to be demolished and rebuilt, like SloMo thought he had to do to a top 15-20 program.

Bottom line is this. Nothing posted here Thursday pregame was inaccurate. Most felt that the gelding would keep his word. The threats, Gelding and loser cigar boys are why we still have a coach rebuilding a program that already had Palm Beach status. Believe what you want, but I believe and trust the people that have yet to steer me wrong. We are all still scratching our heads and wondering what happened.

[HailStateSZN19]

Wow.... thanks for sharing Rogue.

ETA: You’d think Joe agreeing to the buyout and then pissing (pun intended) on that agreement after winning the game by 1 point the way we did would create a toxic environment wouldn’t it? He’s got to resent the people who wanted him gone and wanted to buy him out until he called their bluff after the win and demanded more money. Hopefully next year is the last year of the JoMo era whether by going 6-6 or worse and getting canned or him just wanting to find an opening in the Northeast. There’s no way he just absolutely wants to be here after all that went down the way it did. There’s got to be some harsh feelings after the deal going down like that.

[CadaverDawg]

Well, when Billy Napier is at Ole Miss beating our ass the next 5 years, maybe the cigar boys and fans that only care about beating Ole Miss will realize how damn stupid they are. Unfortunately it's die hards like most of us on these message boards that will have to suffer as we watch our team circle the drain the next few years while everyone around us gets better. There is nothing Joe can do to get me back, and John ain't far behind him. When we get smoked in our bowl game, I hope the cigar boys grow a sack and tell John, "fire his ass, or you're going with him". But they won't...because we're MSU, and we can't stand success

[Todd4State]

It sounds to me like the biggest issue is we didn't get Joe to agree in writing. He probably planned to go off the rails and demand the full buyout the entire time.

Our compliance department needs a massive overhaul. I'm not saying fire Bracky. But he does need to be reassigned to other sports and let modern compliance people take over football, baseball, and men's basketball. The ironic thing here is Tutor Gate IMO basically started a lot of this mess and that wasn't Joe's fault. Honestly it probably cost us at least one more win this year. I don't like Joe and think he should be fired but I would hate to be a coach and have to deal with a compliance department that essentially doesn't support me and is more interested in getting exemplary compliance awards from the NCAA than anything.

I'll say this- there was too much smoke coming from multiple places about Joe leaving. It wasn't just Elitedawgs. I saw it from national media people as well.

Coaches are always going to reach out to us because they know that we will be excessively patient. See every coach we've ever had.

[Todd4State]

Well, when Billy Napier is at Ole Miss beating our ass the next 5 years, maybe the cigar boys and fans that only care about beating Ole Miss will realize how damn stupid they are. Unfortunately it's die hards like most of us on these message boards that will have to suffer as we watch our team circle the drain the next few years while everyone around us gets better. There is nothing Joe can do to get me back, and John ain't far behind him. When we get smoked in our bowl game, I hope the cigar boys grow a sack and tell John, "fire his ass, or you're going with him". But they won't...because we're MSU, and we can't stand success

If we do poorly in the bowl game I wonder if things will heat up then. Could be interesting to see. I've heard our administration is lobbying for the easiest possible match up for us.

[Dawgcap]

Question? Why wait until Tuesday, actually almost Wednesday 5 days later to say this. Believable just wondering why now?

[msudawglb]

This is just more rumors. Nothing posted is actual truth. Just hearsay and smoke.

[Dawgcap]

I said all night, play someone way better let’s see how this plays out. Same effort all year? Cut bait

[Dawgcap]

Even if it’s false we need a staff to be put under pressure this month. I believe that because we deserve a staff trying to make our program better.

[RougeDawg]

This is just more rumors. Nothing posted is actual truth. Just hearsay and smoke.

The people I talked to on the phone spoke with the Gelding. You want any more proof?

[CadaverDawg]

Even if it’s false we need a staff to be put under pressure this month. I believe that because we deserve a staff trying to make our program better.

Agree. Whether it's true or not doesn't change the fact that Joe should have been fired and John's seat should be very warm for not doing it.

[RougeDawg]

Question? Why wait until Tuesday, actually almost Wednesday 5 days later to say this. Believable just wondering why now?

Just got back to my computer without iPhone BS. Plus there were so many posts the lasts couple days I wanted to wait and PM'd multiple people here that I was going to wait to post this. Best to wait and make sure than post and not know.

Additionally, I have still been contacting people to see if anything had changed or developed since. The media people have said "NO CHANGE SLOMO GOES ANYWHERE ELSE".

So I guess we are where we are. In sucktitude until November 2020.

[Dawgcap]

The point I’m making is the proof is in the pudding. We have to hope we play a team that stresses this staff and team? Are we serious or looking for an easy win? I expect a win against a more talented team.

[HailStateSZN19]

Rogue, you gotten wind of what went down in the 4-hour meeting with Joe & Cohen? Any idea if Cohen told him to make any staff changes or if Joe is planning on making staff changes & what those changes might be? I fully expect to be underwhelmed at the moves we make if any.

[Dawgcap]

True or not. The bottom line is this staff doesn’t deserve a hand picked easy game. We deserve to see what they can do against talent with 4 weeks to prepare. I’m guilty I trusted this staff but I even saw lack of effort and that has to be addressed. Let’s hope for a team that is better. Show up or not. Time to earn a check. Damn a bowl win, what you got as a coach?

[Todd4State]

Rogue, you gotten wind of what went down in the 4-hour meeting with Joe & Cohen? Any idea if Cohen told him to make any staff changes or if Joe is planning on making staff changes & what those changes might be? I fully expect to be underwhelmed at the moves we make if any.

If Cohen came up with 40 things that are wrong I would suspect there will be some changes. I want to know what the 40 things wrong were.

Additionally I bet I could come up with 40 things wrong with gameday.

[RougeDawg]

Rogue, you gotten wind of what went down in the 4-hour meeting with Joe & Cohen? Any idea if Cohen told him to make any staff changes or if Joe is planning on making staff changes & what those changes might be? I fully expect to be underwhelmed at the moves we make if any.

No, nothing from the 4 hr meeting.

I suspect it mostly consisted of JoVester dangling the Gelding's sack above his head, telling him how the program would proceed. You know, building the foundation and all of a top 15 program. Complete shitshow.

[Dawgcap]

So you hoping for a Wake Forest, Louisville or who?

[HailStateSZN19]

No, nothing from the 4 hr meeting.

I suspect it mostly consisted of JoVester dangling the Gelding's sack above his head, telling him how the program would proceed. You know, building the foundation and all of a top 15 program. Complete shitshow.

If we make no staff changes this offseason of our own doing ,& not assistants choosing to leave on their own, then we deserve everything that comes next season. If he is stubborn and arrogant enough to change nothing, then 6-6 is BEST CASE scenario imo & he’s most likely gone with that or anything worse which is entirely possible. This has been one more of a shit show...

[Todd4State]

So you hoping for a Wake Forest, Louisville or who?

Statistically speaking and using my amateur football film watching I would say that the teams that we would match up the best against from are Louisville and Florida State. We want to play someone that can't stop the run and doesn't throw the ball well. I have to believe that FSU is unstable right now with their coaching situation but playing them (like we could choose) could be playing with fire because if they hired Norvell we could be going up against him in the Music City Bowl.

Of course Joe will have us well prepared I'm sure so what could go wrong?***********

[Todd4State]

If we make no staff changes this offseason of our own doing ,& not assistants choosing to leave on their own, then we deserve everything that comes next season. If he is stubborn and arrogant enough to change nothing, then 6-6 is BEST CASE scenario imo & he’s most likely gone with that or anything worse which is entirely possible. This has been one more of a shit show...

I would honestly be surprised if Joey Jones is back after Joe called out his unit at least a couple of times this year. I do suspect that we will get a new S&C coach as well. OC? Doubt it.

The Genespage people are expecting changes at least so if the AD is telling them it's OK to speculate that odds are high that we'll see some changes.

[HailStateSZN19]

I would honestly be surprised if Joey Jones is back after Joe called out his unit at least a couple of times this year. I do suspect that we will get a new S&C coach as well. OC? Doubt it.

The Genespage people are expecting changes at least so if the AD is telling them it's OK to speculate that odds are high that we'll see some changes.

I was encouraged too when I read that Rosey said he thinks we will now pay the going rate for an SEC S&C coach and revamp it. Also saw Paul mention he *thinks* we bring in an offensive mind to help with play calling & maybe do that and not necessarily hire a new ST coach but just delegate those duties amongst coaches already on staff in order to bring in the OC. I’d love to see us go after the ST coach at Memphis right now if Norvell didn’t take him with him to FSU. Memphis had a great ST unit this year & the guy had like a top 20-25 ST unit in 2018 at Rice as well. I’ll believe the OC when I see it. I’m not sold Joe would do that at all or even consider it. But ST & S&C ought to be givens. Then have to see if any assistants jump ship that we will have to replace.

[NCDawg]

I don't quite understand what all "lack of institutional control" encompasses. I don't suppose it would include something like "tutorgate", and that Moorhead would be responsible for that happening since he is the HC and oversees the football program. Just wondering if that could have any bearing on a potential buyout. Proably not since I'm pretty sure they have already checked into it.

[Dawgcap]

Statistically speaking and using my amateur football film watching I would say that the teams that we would match up the best against from are Louisville and Florida State. We want to play someone that can't stop the run and doesn't throw the ball well. I have to believe that FSU is unstable right now with their coaching situation but playing them (like we could choose) could be playing with fire because if they hired Norvell we could be going up against him in the Music City Bowl.

Of course Joe will have us well prepared I'm sure so what could go wrong?***********

See my thoughts are I don?t want a team we should beat. I want a team that is a bad matchup? Are we gonna improve if we win a game we are supposed too? Damn a bowl win because we should win. Play and win a game you shouldn?t win. Hold this staff accountable to show improvements. We have 3 weeks to be better. Play a team that pushes our limits. If we compete great if we lay a egg cut bait. We deserve to see the future in late December. The coaches should know expectations from our administration. Time to show up.

Time to win a fanbase with execution, heart and effort.

[JoseBrown]

I was encouraged too when I read that Rosey said he thinks we will now pay the going rate for an SEC S&C coach and revamp it. Also saw Paul mention he *thinks* we bring in an offensive mind to help with play calling & maybe do that and not necessarily hire a new ST coach but just delegate those duties amongst coaches already on staff in order to bring in the OC. I’d love to see us go after the ST coach at Memphis right now if Norvell didn’t take him with him to FSU. Memphis had a great ST unit this year & the guy had like a top 20-25 ST unit in 2018 at Rice as well. I’ll believe the OC when I see it. I’m not sold Joe would do that at all or even consider it. But ST & S&C ought to be givens. Then have to see if any assistants jump ship that we will have to replace.

If he brings in an OC, it will merely be a placeholder. Croomhead lives or dies with his offense his way. I don't know about S&C change, but you've just got to believe he makes a ST change on his own. He didn't seem to pleased with ST all year.

[Todd4State]

I was encouraged too when I read that Rosey said he thinks we will now pay the going rate for an SEC S&C coach and revamp it. Also saw Paul mention he *thinks* we bring in an offensive mind to help with play calling & maybe do that and not necessarily hire a new ST coach but just delegate those duties amongst coaches already on staff in order to bring in the OC. I’d love to see us go after the ST coach at Memphis right now if Norvell didn’t take him with him to FSU. Memphis had a great ST unit this year & the guy had like a top 20-25 ST unit in 2018 at Rice as well. I’ll believe the OC when I see it. I’m not sold Joe would do that at all or even consider it. But ST & S&C ought to be givens. Then have to see if any assistants jump ship that we will have to replace.

The most logical thing to me would be to replace Breiner with an OC with some wrinkles to add to Joe’s offense and work it like Brady and Ensminger at LSU and hire an elite special teams coach like Lembo from Memphis.

[Todd4State]

See my thoughts are I don?t want a team we should beat. I want a team that is a bad matchup? Are we gonna improve if we win a game we are supposed too? Damn a bowl win because we should win. Play and win a game you shouldn?t win. Hold this staff accountable to show improvements. We have 3 weeks to be better. Play a team that pushes our limits. If we compete great if we lay a egg cut bait. We deserve to see the future in late December. The coaches should know expectations from our administration. Time to show up.

Time to win a fanbase with execution, heart and effort.

Yes but wins sell perception than anything and our AD saw how the bowl loss affected perception last year. False perception is enough to sell tickets.

[bulldawg28]

Great info OP. I still believe if/when we lose the bowl game he's fired.

[Maroonthirteen]

Did JoMo learn some time before the Egg Bowl that he was no longer a candidate for Rutgers? Hmmmm.

[RiverCityDawg]

I don't believe we knew the tutor cheated for Nick and we did nothing until later when she had a chance to cheat for the football players. I think they found out about Nick first because she submitted the quiz during his game and then as they investigated found out she did it for some football players too.

As for the rest of what you're saying, maybe. You're close on a lot of stuff but not exactly right on the details, such as KT being part of Tutorgate. He wasn't.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's gonna be ok fellas.

Joe's sinking or swimming in 2020 and can only do so much more damage.

Will Napier's staff be an upgrade from Luke, RR, and McIntyre? Maybe, maybe not. I saw Napier struggle mightily with Louisiana Monroe the other night. Does that mean anything? Maybe maybe not.

[Randolph Dupree]

It's gonna be ok fellas.

Joe's sinking or swimming in 2020 and can only do so much more damage.

Will Napier's staff be an upgrade from Luke, RR, and McIntyre? Maybe, maybe not. I saw Napier struggle mightily with Louisiana Monroe the other night. Does that mean anything? Maybe maybe not.

Not saying it won't happen but my money is not on Napier for the Ole Miss job. I'm not sure he wants to take his shot there. At the end of the day money talks though so we will see. Ultimately, best case scenario, they don't hire him and we make that move next year OR if for some reason we fire Joe after the bowl game we make that move swiftly. Prior to the extension announcement, I don't think our administration was fully aware that the fan base was so united against Joe...now they are fully aware. Doubt Joe gets canned after the bowl, but I think the odds are better than they were 72 hours ago.

[AROB44]

Rouge....Not disputing your info, but if the money guys backed out, how is that Cohen's fault? If the $$$ wasn't there, what could he do? I know you are not a Cohen fan, but how can he be blamed for something he really can not control?

[Cowbell]

Rouge....Not disputing your info, but if the money guys backed out, how is that Cohen's fault? If the $$$ wasn't there, what could he do? I know you are not a Cohen fan, but how can he be blamed for something he really can not control?

This is where I?m at. I have backed off Cohen and Keenum - the problem is we don?t have enough big money boosters that understand this game and are serious about taking it to the next level. Good news is the ones who made this mistake are about to get a great education....

[ShotgunDawg]

This is where I?m at. I have backed off Cohen and Keenum - the problem is we don?t have enough big money boosters that understand this game and are serious about taking it to the next level. Good news is the ones who made this mistake are about to get a great education....

Did 5 years of Croom not do that?

[BrunswickDawg]

Did 5 years of Croom not do that?

Unfortunately, a lot of people buy into the belief that Croom's issues were all about probation and the mess left by Jackie, and even give Croom credit for what Mullen was able to do early.

[Dawgface]

But but Rosey says rumors of a buyout before the Egg bowl is ludicrous. Ha. Our Yancy...you got to love him.**

[Coursesuper]

Did 5 years of Croom not do that?

Can you not figure this out yet? Its really not that difficult. You do remember that there were those that were for keeping Croom.

[FISHDAWG]

Well, when Billy Napier is at Ole Miss beating our ass the next 5 years, maybe the cigar boys and fans that only care about beating Ole Miss will realize how damn stupid they are. Unfortunately it's die hards like most of us on these message boards that will have to suffer as we watch our team circle the drain the next few years while everyone around us gets better. There is nothing Joe can do to get me back, and John ain't far behind him. When we get smoked in our bowl game, I hope the cigar boys grow a sack and tell John, "fire his ass, or you're going with him". But they won't...because we're MSU, and we can't stand success

And guys like me are starting to run out of time .... I've been hoping to see a team like the 2014 season produced for a long long long time .... I've been a state fan since 74 when I had a cousin playing there and the mentality is it's always been "Maybe in a few more years" ...... Mullen gave me hope but now I'm back to waiting the proverbial few more years and JoMo is extending that even further ..... I went to school out of state so I'm not an MSU Alum (although I still contribute) but it still hurts just as much and I just don't have much more time to wait on that magical season again ... it's a crying shame it's only happened once in my lifetime and I'm 59 ..... the thing is that this administration knows we are hooked and have no choice other than to maintain our support

[HoopsDawg]

But but Rosey says rumors of a buyout before the Egg bowl is ludicrous. Ha. Our Yancy...you got to love him.**

No way Joe comes into that press conference spewing fire, making excuses, and pounding his achievements unless some shit had been going down before the game. He was clearly flustered and giving a big middle finger to everyone who wanted him gone.

[FISHDAWG]

Can you not figure this out yet? Its really not that difficult. You do remember that there were those that were for keeping Croom.

I thought those that hired Croom were all gone now

[msstate7]

No way Joe comes into that press conference spewing fire, making excuses, and pounding his achievements unless some shit had been going down before the game. He was clearly flustered and giving a big middle finger to everyone who wanted him gone.

So we give em another year... we punked us for sure

[Dawgology]

If there are no coaching position changes made during the off-season then the writing is on the wall for Joe. And Cohen had better negotiated a lower buyout with this extension....otherwise Cohen needs to leave right along with him.

[smootness]

It is not believable at all that an AD would tell the media anything about an impending coaching decision that wasn't already made. It's just not.

And the stuff with Nick Weatherspoon happened at the same time as the football players. They weren't separate incidents.

[Cooterpoot]

Lots of BS in this thread. Several half-truths.

[TrapGame]

Moral of the story:

Get it in writing. Verbal agreements are just air.

[StateDawg44]

It is not believable at all that an AD would tell the media anything about an impending coaching decision that wasn't already made. It's just not.

And the stuff with Nick Weatherspoon happened at the same time as the football players. They weren't separate incidents.

Yeah I don't really get that part either.

Did they just tell the media members the news but requested they not report it to anyone just yet? Just wanted to give them the scoop and keep the media in the loop. And media actually listened?Rrriiiiiiiiiight

[Coursesuper]

I thought those that hired Croom were all gone now

There were those among the money types that wanted to keep Croom its the same way now, we are never all going to be on the same page. That's just people being people.

[CovertDawg]

Once again, agreeing to anything before the Egg Bowl makes zero sense for either party. What exactly was the hurry? My guess is Cohen did nothing more than strongly suggest to Joe that winning the Egg Bowl was very important for his future at MSU.

[HoopsDawg]

Rouge....Not disputing your info, but if the money guys backed out, how is that Cohen's fault? If the $$$ wasn't there, what could he do? I know you are not a Cohen fan, but how can he be blamed for something he really can not control?

If that's true and I'm Cohen, I tell Joe I'm hiring an OC and he's going to call plays. I hire a new SC. I hire a ST coach. I don't extend his contract or if I do extend it, I reduce his buyout to as low as possible.

But the truth is Joe is Cohen's guys. Cohen hired him and Cohen believes he's a good coach and thinks he's going to win. Hell, he compared him to Vic yesterday.

[1bigdawg]

From the Athletic Department knowing about Nick Spoon and tutorgate and not getting rid of said tutor before the football players got involved, to this shit show. This is our athletic department. They could have exhiled the tutor after they found out about Nick, but they did not. They did their usual small town snail approach and allowed it to snare other athletes. We let a lame duck coach hold us hostage after verbally agreeing to a buyout. We let a mustang payment hold out a great athlete, while Memphis a basketball player miss a few games. We have a 1950's approach in 2019. These are the results we will continue to receive until the house is cleaned. It may need to be demolished and rebuilt, like SloMo thought he had to do to a top 15-20 program.
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If the above is true, we really need to clean house at the athletic department.

[MedDawg]

True or not. The bottom line is this staff doesn?t deserve a hand picked easy game. We deserve to see what they can do against talent with 4 weeks to prepare. I?m guilty I trusted this staff but I even saw lack of effort and that has to be addressed. Let?s hope for a team that is better. Show up or not. Time to earn a check. Damn a bowl win, what you got as a coach?

No. I want the easiest bowl game. I want a bowl win. Finishing with 4 wins out of 5 will help recruiting and help potential signees think that Moorhead is here to stay, when we know a bowl win won't make much of a difference in whether Moorhead stays after November 2020.

Also, a bowl win helps our overall bowl record. Not a huge thing, but media puts out bowl win percentages, just like they publish that State has been to 10 straight bowls, a streak among the best teams in the country. All of those positive things that recruits see helps us.

If there was a chance that a blowout loss in a bowl would get Moorhead fired, then that would be ok, even though the timing would suck. But I don't want a good opponent just to test Moorhead and staff right now. We'll have plenty of good opponents next season.

[MarketingBully]

My fear is that Ole Miss hires Bill Clark and Arkansas gets Billy Napier. Bill Clark is a hell of a coach and is going to win wherever he goes. I don?t think you guys understand how hard that UAB job is. He?s done more then Napier thought about doing. We will get stomped every year if Ole Miss hires Clark.

[MedDawg]

Not much we can do if the cigar boys don't want to buyout Moorhead. We can't do it without their money. We have certainly asked and received a lot from our money alums over the past decade.

It's not like we finished 2-10 and it's an OBVIOUS decision to fire Moorhead, regardless of what the message board coaches think. Could we do better? I think so, but it's not a certainty that even Norvell or Napier would definitely do better. There have been a lot of misses on "can't miss" coaches. Am I willing to fork over a ton of money to find out? No.

[Liverpooldawg]

Prior to the game the horse's mouth, or should I now say the gelding's mouth, told multiple media persons that JoVester had to win the EB in convincing fashion or he was gone. All parties had verbally agreed upon the buyout (amount that was mentioned here Thursday was correct). Jo knew he was a dead man walking and was prepared to leave.

The coaching search started after the UT shitshow, although most prominent boosters and former players wanted it to start toward the end of last season. All of the names that were mentioned here Thursday were confirmed candidates from the Gelding's mouth to the media members. There were also some others that I was actually surprised to hear reached out to us over the last few weeks (Academy program coaches with spread option offenses were just some of them).

Verbatim from IB, I mean the Gelding's mouth "anything other than a convincing win in the EB, and we are making the move". Multiple media persons and boosters can and will confirm this. The media people also said the Gelding brought up Tutorgate and firing a coach going to two bowls would be an issue. There were other minuscule excuses brought up as well. No reasons from the Gelding had any positive results to back them up. He is a disgrace, which you will see in a minute.

I know many of you were pissed and turned off by the post game press conference but that was just the start. After that JoVester proceeded to use the slim margin, piss penalty aided win, to renege on his initial buyout agreement and make threats. A full buyout for all coaches was demanded after the "convincing win" and threats were made if those demands were not met. At this point we needed all cigar boys to come together and agree. A good bit of the CB's did not agree after their Viagra kicked in after a 1 point EB win.

As we have seen, the Gelding folded like a lawn chair. Partially because SloMo keeps IB's sack in his pocket, but the other part is that half of our Cigar Boys are satisfied with 6-6 and beating OM. The loser mentality group, including the Gelding, won out and we all have to suffer.

From the Athletic Department knowing about Nick Spoon and tutorgate and not getting rid of said tutor before the football players got involved, to this shit show. This is our athletic department. They could have exhiled the tutor after they found out about Nick, but they did not. They did their usual small town snail approach and allowed it to snare other athletes. We let a lame duck coach hold us hostage after verbally agreeing to a buyout. We let a mustang payment hold out a great athlete, while Memphis a basketball player miss a few games. We have a 1950's approach in 2019. These are the results we will continue to receive until the house is cleaned. It may need to be demolished and rebuilt, like SloMo thought he had to do to a top 15-20 program.

Bottom line is this. Nothing posted here Thursday pregame was inaccurate. Most felt that the gelding would keep his word. The threats, Gelding and loser cigar boys are why we still have a coach rebuilding a program that already had Palm Beach status. Believe what you want, but I believe and trust the people that have yet to steer me wrong. We are all still scratching our heads and wondering what happened.

If Cohen was telling that stuff to the media, he needs to be fired immediately......with cause, no buyout. I'm talking about Cohen. I have a hard time buying that. That opens you up to a whole bunch of stuff, some of it legal. I'm calling BS on this.

[Really Clark?]

My fear is that Ole Miss hires Bill Clark and Arkansas gets Billy Napier. Bill Clark is a hell of a coach and is going to win wherever he goes. I don?t think you guys understand how hard that UAB job is. He?s done more then Napier thought about doing. We will get stomped every year if Ole Miss hires Clark.

Napier is not a top candidate for Ark at this time. They already have spoken to Kiffin, Fritz (who Mizzou is also targeting) and Leach.

[wild_dawg]

Rouge....Not disputing your info, but if the money guys backed out, how is that Cohen's fault? If the $$$ wasn't there, what could he do? I know you are not a Cohen fan, but how can he be blamed for something he really can not control?

Yep this is what I was thinking, they can do all the lobbying they want but if the money isn't there I'm not sure what they are supposed to do. If anything, try to use that money on a great OC.

[TrapGame]

No. I want the easiest bowl game. I want a bowl win.

And we'll see if Joe's extra 15 practice prep for an inferior team works out. We get trucked by Texas no one will bat an eye. We get trucked by some team with inferior talent and coaching then we're going to have another situation.

[yjnkdawg]

If that's true and I'm Cohen, I tell Joe I'm hiring an OC and he's going to call plays. I hire a new SC. I hire a ST coach. I don't extend his contract or if I do extend it, I reduce his buyout to as low as possible.

But the truth is Joe is Cohen's guys. Cohen hired him and Cohen believes he's a good coach and thinks he's going to win. Hell, he compared him to Vic yesterday.



If you are an AD, you don't tell a current coach who to hire on his staff. or you don't just go start hiring for him either. You can tell him where the issues are, and you want them corrected (may be his job on the line too), and you can even make some suggestions, but it is up to the coach to make the changes (sink or swim), whether it be a change in coaching philosophy, personnel changes or whatever. Now if you are in the process of hiring a new coach, and you want to keep a current assistant coach or two, then you tell the perspective coaching candidates up front that you would like for that to happen (not mandatory) or you can mandate that it is a part of the deal. An AD micromanaging an athletic program by giving a mandate on who to hire or making the hire for a current coach will not work.

[ZedFedder]

I believe 0.0% of what has been stated in this thread. The fact that many of us would just jump to the conclusion its legit is hilarious.

[yjnkdawg]

I believe 0.0% of what has been stated in this thread. The fact that many of us would just jump to the conclusion its legit is hilarious.


What's the old saying. “believe half of what you see and none of what you hear”

[Liverpooldawg]

It is not believable at all that an AD would tell the media anything about an impending coaching decision that wasn't already made. It's just not.

And the stuff with Nick Weatherspoon happened at the same time as the football players. They weren't separate incidents.

Yep, I don't believe any of it.

[deadheaddawg]

I believe 0.0% of what has been stated in this thread. The fact that many of us would just jump to the conclusion its legit is hilarious.

Yep.

I cant believe people are still trying to push that a deal was done before the game. Nothing about that makes sense and everything that has happened after tells that it is very unlikely.

Yet people dont want to admit they are wrong so they still push it. And people are gullible and desperate for gossip so they believe it.

[gravedigger]

Prior to the game the horse's mouth, or should I now say the gelding's mouth, told multiple media persons that JoVester had to win the EB in convincing fashion or he was gone. All parties had verbally agreed upon the buyout (amount that was mentioned here Thursday was correct). Jo knew he was a dead man walking and was prepared to leave.

The coaching search started after the UT shitshow, although most prominent boosters and former players wanted it to start toward the end of last season. All of the names that were mentioned here Thursday were confirmed candidates from the Gelding's mouth to the media members. There were also some others that I was actually surprised to hear reached out to us over the last few weeks (Academy program coaches with spread option offenses were just some of them).

Verbatim from IB, I mean the Gelding's mouth "anything other than a convincing win in the EB, and we are making the move". Multiple media persons and boosters can and will confirm this. The media people also said the Gelding brought up Tutorgate and firing a coach going to two bowls would be an issue. There were other minuscule excuses brought up as well. No reasons from the Gelding had any positive results to back them up. He is a disgrace, which you will see in a minute.

I know many of you were pissed and turned off by the post game press conference but that was just the start. After that JoVester proceeded to use the slim margin, piss penalty aided win, to renege on his initial buyout agreement and make threats. A full buyout for all coaches was demanded after the "convincing win" and threats were made if those demands were not met. At this point we needed all cigar boys to come together and agree. A good bit of the CB's did not agree after their Viagra kicked in after a 1 point EB win.

As we have seen, the Gelding folded like a lawn chair. Partially because SloMo keeps IB's sack in his pocket, but the other part is that half of our Cigar Boys are satisfied with 6-6 and beating OM. The loser mentality group, including the Gelding, won out and we all have to suffer.

From the Athletic Department knowing about Nick Spoon and tutorgate and not getting rid of said tutor before the football players got involved, to this shit show. This is our athletic department. They could have exhiled the tutor after they found out about Nick, but they did not. They did their usual small town snail approach and allowed it to snare other athletes. We let a lame duck coach hold us hostage after verbally agreeing to a buyout. We let a mustang payment hold out a great athlete, while Memphis a basketball player miss a few games. We have a 1950's approach in 2019. These are the results we will continue to receive until the house is cleaned. It may need to be demolished and rebuilt, like SloMo thought he had to do to a top 15-20 program.

Bottom line is this. Nothing posted here Thursday pregame was inaccurate. Most felt that the gelding would keep his word. The threats, Gelding and loser cigar boys are why we still have a coach rebuilding a program that already had Palm Beach status. Believe what you want, but I believe and trust the people that have yet to steer me wrong. We are all still scratching our heads and wondering what happened.

Great story if you need it to feel better about yourself.

And I'm not saying Goat is lying. But I can get more reliable conspiracy stories from folks selling newspapers in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, TX.

[Maroons]

It's gonna be ok fellas.

Joe's sinking or swimming in 2020 and can only do so much more damage.

I disagree with this. The longer he's here, the harder it will be to climb out of the shithole he's digging.

[Dawg2003]

I just don't believe that a coach would agree to a buyout and then go coach a game.

[deadheaddawg]

I just don't believe that a coach would agree to a buyout and then go coach a game.

Well I know someone named Harvey and he told me it's true and Harvey's name is on buildings in Starkville so you can take it to the bank

[StateDawg44]

No. I want the easiest bowl game. I want a bowl win.

This doesn't cut it really though. What's the point of pretending like "it's all business" or like they are going to try to make a statement going into the offseason if they are trying to get by with the easiest option? They have something to prove so do it. That's just putting makeup on a pig.

Might as well say "As long as we beat Ole Piss it's a good season."

They need to be bidding for the toughest opponent and beat them. Go out and look incompetent and then those that were swayed by the outcome of this year's Egg Bowl will see it's going to be a long off-season and 2020 season too.

[TrapGame]

This doesn't cut it really though. What's the point of pretending like "it's all business" or like they are going to try to make a statement going into the offseason if they are trying to get by with the easiest option? They have something to prove so do it. That's just putting makeup on a pig.

Might as well say "As long as we beat Ole Piss it's a good season."

They need to be bidding for the toughest opponent and beat them. Go out and look incompetent and then those that were swayed by the outcome of this year's Egg Bowl will see it's going to be a long off-season and 2020 season too.

If I'm Cohen I want the toughest team available. Like I posted in another thread getting kicked in the teeth by Texas looks better than getting beat by a really bad MAC team. Moorhead screws the pooch in the bowl against a bad team and I'm afraid we are back to chaos with the boosters.

[gravedigger]

I just don't believe that a coach would agree to a buyout and then go coach a game.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I do not believe Rouge is lying. I believe he was told that by someone he trusts or at least someone he thinks is in the know.

That said, I spoke with someone who sat with the Moorheads at the game. In the box with them. Were there any buyout in place, the family would have let him know literally and in the absence of that, it would have been painfully obvious. As a matter of fact, he had heard all the rumors as well beforehand and was prepared for a long night in that box.

Obviously due to the game and leading nearly the whole time, the atmosphere was was upbeat. At the end with the dramatic finish, Joe's family was just like any of the rest of the bulldog families. Overjoyed and happy. There was literally NO long faces.

When a head coach, like Bob Tyler, is removed, the coach may show poise and dignity in front of cameras to be strong for his family as the world is watching. The family is not. They feel betrayed and are quite emotional as any family would. Again, this was not the case last Thursday night at any time.

So to all the fans who trashed this university telling fairy tales of pregame buyouts, deny it if you want. Tell yourself any story you wish to justify the low rent jackass posts you put out.

But also know this: Cohen is the Athletics Director due to his accomplishments. Joe Moorhead is the Football coach due to his. They have the backing of the President of Mississippi State University. It remains so.

Now go kick your rocks. Joe nailed it.

[timotheus]

Oh my. Hope the bowl game goes well. Will Tommy be healthy and back ready so the O will be smooth?

[Coursesuper]

Like I said earlier in the thread, I do not believe Rouge is lying. I believe he was told that by someone he trusts or at least someone he thinks is in the know.

That said, I spoke with someone who sat with the Moorheads at the game. In the box with them. Were there any buyout in place, the family would have let him know literally and in the absence of that, it would have been painfully obvious. As a matter of fact, he had heard all the rumors as well beforehand and was prepared for a long night in that box.

Obviously due to the game and leading nearly the whole time, the atmosphere was was upbeat. At the end with the dramatic finish, Joe's family was just like any of the rest of the bulldog families. Overjoyed and happy. There was literally NO long faces.

When a head coach, like Bob Tyler, is removed, the coach may show poise and dignity in front of cameras to be strong for his family as the world is watching. The family is not. They feel betrayed and are quite emotional as any family would. Again, this was not the case last Thursday night at any time.

So to all the fans who trashed this university telling fairy tales of pregame buyouts, deny it if you want. Tell yourself any story you wish to justify the low rent jackass posts you put out.

But also know this: Cohen is the Athletics Director due to his accomplishments. Joe Moorhead is the Football coach due to his. They have the backing of the President of Mississippi State University. It remains so.

Now go kick your rocks. Joe nailed it.

This united front your pushing here is simply not true.

[gravedigger]

This united front your pushing here is simply not true.

Oh, it is. What's more, it's consistent with the people in charge who actually make decisions.

And on another subject, you called me by my first name in another post. Not that it bothers me, but care to share yours?

[Coursesuper]

Oh, it is. What's more, it's consistent with the people in charge who actually make decisions.

And on another subject, you called me by my first name in another post. Not that it bothers me, but care to share yours?

If you can't figure that out it's on you. And you know better, about things that's a very very simplistic view.

[gravedigger]

If you can't figure that out it's on you. And you know better, about things that's a very very simplistic view.

Occam's razor.

And it obviously doesnt matter who either of us are in real life. But your response reveals something else.

[ShotgunDawg]

Oh my. Hope the bowl game goes well. Will Tommy be healthy and back ready so the O will be smooth?

Surely you're joking here

[Churchill]

Rouge, What were the "threats" Moorhead made ? I was kind wondering if there was some threats were involved on SloMo's part for things to change so abruptly. Maybe he has been there long enough to know where a few "bodies are buried". And for the record my info source was saying the same things Cohen supposedly said except his info was coming from the pres. I don't think we know really happened but I wouldn't doubt anything at this point.

[YazooDawg23]

Prior to the game the horse's mouth, or should I now say the gelding's mouth, told multiple media persons that JoVester had to win the EB in convincing fashion or he was gone. All parties had verbally agreed upon the buyout (amount that was mentioned here Thursday was correct). Jo knew he was a dead man walking and was prepared to leave.

The coaching search started after the UT shitshow, although most prominent boosters and former players wanted it to start toward the end of last season. All of the names that were mentioned here Thursday were confirmed candidates from the Gelding's mouth to the media members. There were also some others that I was actually surprised to hear reached out to us over the last few weeks (Academy program coaches with spread option offenses were just some of them).

Verbatim from IB, I mean the Gelding's mouth "anything other than a convincing win in the EB, and we are making the move". Multiple media persons and boosters can and will confirm this. The media people also said the Gelding brought up Tutorgate and firing a coach going to two bowls would be an issue. There were other minuscule excuses brought up as well. No reasons from the Gelding had any positive results to back them up. He is a disgrace, which you will see in a minute.

I know many of you were pissed and turned off by the post game press conference but that was just the start. After that JoVester proceeded to use the slim margin, piss penalty aided win, to renege on his initial buyout agreement and make threats. A full buyout for all coaches was demanded after the "convincing win" and threats were made if those demands were not met. At this point we needed all cigar boys to come together and agree. A good bit of the CB's did not agree after their Viagra kicked in after a 1 point EB win.

As we have seen, the Gelding folded like a lawn chair. Partially because SloMo keeps IB's sack in his pocket, but the other part is that half of our Cigar Boys are satisfied with 6-6 and beating OM. The loser mentality group, including the Gelding, won out and we all have to suffer.

From the Athletic Department knowing about Nick Spoon and tutorgate and not getting rid of said tutor before the football players got involved, to this shit show. This is our athletic department. They could have exhiled the tutor after they found out about Nick, but they did not. They did their usual small town snail approach and allowed it to snare other athletes. We let a lame duck coach hold us hostage after verbally agreeing to a buyout. We let a mustang payment hold out a great athlete, while Memphis a basketball player miss a few games. We have a 1950's approach in 2019. These are the results we will continue to receive until the house is cleaned. It may need to be demolished and rebuilt, like SloMo thought he had to do to a top 15-20 program.

Bottom line is this. Nothing posted here Thursday pregame was inaccurate. Most felt that the gelding would keep his word. The threats, Gelding and loser cigar boys are why we still have a coach rebuilding a program that already had Palm Beach status. Believe what you want, but I believe and trust the people that have yet to steer me wrong. We are all still scratching our heads and wondering what happened.

Add this to the trash heap.

[DDawg]

While there was a buyout negotiated. Material changes occurred after the egg bowl win. This has been discussed over and over and over......

[NeuteredDawg]

Hearsay and conjecture. No sources names just phone calls and PMs.

This place is like the fake news media

[R2Dawg]

I disagree with this. The longer he's here, the harder it will be to climb out of the shithole he's digging.

I think it is a little of both. He can only do one year of damage next year so there is a limit especially if he recruits well. Now if he doesn't recruit well and the talent drops off the next guy could be in trouble. Of course if the culture gets any worse, next guy could have issues there too.

I do agree it is sink or swim next year or I hope it is.

[timotheus]

Surely you're joking here

Yes. I forgot the astericks..........my bad.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Hearsay and conjecture. No sources names just phone calls and PMs.

This place is like the fake news media

Or not. Joel Coleman said on Thunder & Lightning last night that a fair amount of what has been posted on the coachgate had substance to it. He also said he was surprised by this, mind you, and that he did his due diligence in researching the rumors posted.

[Todd4State]

Or not. Joel Coleman said on Thunder & Lightning last night that a fair amount of what has been posted on the coachgate had substance to it. He also said he was surprised by this, mind you, and that he did his due diligence in researching the rumors posted.

A bunch of people saying the same thing probably aren't wrong. Or have the same source.

[PendingTransaction]

Once again, agreeing to anything before the Egg Bowl makes zero sense for either party. What exactly was the hurry? My guess is Cohen did nothing more than strongly suggest to Joe that winning the Egg Bowl was very important for his future at MSU.

I agree, wholeheartedly. Cohen would have to have all of his ducks in a row, a sort list of replacements and buyout money guaranteed, before approaching Joe. Unless Joe already had a guaranteed job or just wanted out, he had no incentive to agree to a discounted buyout. I really believe that Cohen told Joe that if he lost to UM, he would be forced to possibly fire him because of unhappy fans and powerful boosters . Joe was angered by the threat of being fired and probably made a case for needing more time. Cohen then explained how much value the big supporters place on winning the game against UM and it would probably determine if Joe was retained. Joe left the meeting pissed. Then the pissing happened; Joe beat UM and went to the press conference and said, I beat UM so I am going no where, Biiiitches! You are either with me or against me, if the latter, kick rocks. Disclosure: I have not talked to anyone who knows anymore than I do. This is purely speculation. But it makes more sense than most of the the cigar boys gardener heard it all theories that has been posted here.

[mparkerfd20]

Guys saying there was nothing to all the rumors look like the biggest dumbasses in the world. Just thought I'd let you know. Was every rumor as told true? No, but to blanket say there was absolutely nothing to them? Don't continue to be a dumbass. Go get some help.

[Todd4State]

Guys saying there was nothing to all the rumors look like the biggest dumbasses in the world. Just thought I'd let you know. Was every rumor as told true? No, but to blanket say there was absolutely nothing to them? Don't continue to be a dumbass. Go get some help.

The fact that MSU has basically launched a massive PR campaign for the football team is very telling. Yes, part of it is how Joe acted in his press conference. Some of it is also because of how the team performed.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

I agree, wholeheartedly. Cohen would have to have all of his ducks in a row, a sort list of replacements and buyout money guaranteed, before approaching Joe. Unless Joe already had a guaranteed job or just wanted out, he had no incentive to agree to a discounted buyout. I really believe that Cohen told Joe that if he lost to UM, he would be forced to possibly fire him because of unhappy fans and powerful boosters . Joe was angered by the threat of being fired and probably made a case for needing more time. Cohen then explained how much value the big supporters place on winning the game against UM and it would probably determine if Joe was retained. Joe left the meeting pissed. Then the pissing happened; Joe beat UM and went to the press conference and said, I beat UM so I am going no where, Biiiitches! You are either with me or against me, if the latter, kick rocks. Disclosure: I have not talked to anyone who knows anymore than I do. This is purely speculation. But it makes more sense than most of the the cigar boys gardener heard it all theories that has been posted here.

When Mr. Party Line himself, Rosebowl, says on his podcast a week before the BFTGE that "we're going to do what's right for MSU" and make sure we have the right person for the job and that he was confident that contingency plans were in place should a change be made, you can believe just that, that Cohen was working what to do post-Joe should that decision be made. Personally (no evidence just a hunch) think Joe got wind that Schiano was back in negotiations with Rutgers and got the Fear about being embarrassed that he was about to be resigned just two seconds into his HC career in the SEC and it wouldn't be of his own volition. Usually it's a man afraid who lashes out like Joe did, and at the hand that feeds him to top it all off.
Dang I hope he can make it work in 2020, but over and over again he's demonstrated that he's not ready for his close up.

[Dawgology]

When Mr. Party Line himself, Rosebowl, says on his podcast a week before the BFTGE that "we're going to do what's right for MSU" and make sure we have the right person for the job and that he was confident that contingency plans were in place should a change be made, you can believe just that, that Cohen was working what to do post-Joe should that decision be made. Personally (no evidence just a hunch) think Joe got wind that Schiano was back in negotiations with Rutgers and got the Fear about being embarrassed that he was about to be resigned just two seconds into his HC career in the SEC and it wouldn't be of his own volition. Usually it's a man afraid who lashes out like Joe did, and at the hand that feeds him to top it all off.
Dang I hope he can make it work in 2020, but over and over again he's demonstrated that he's not ready for his close up.

That's all I got from his tirade. It just further solidified my thoughts about him. But we will see. This bowl game is going to be huge for fan support going into next season.

[TheLostDawg]

Statistically speaking and using my amateur football film watching I would say that the teams that we would match up the best against from are Louisville and Florida State. We want to play someone that can't stop the run and doesn't throw the ball well. I have to believe that FSU is unstable right now with their coaching situation but playing them (like we could choose) could be playing with fire because if they hired Norvell we could be going up against him in the Music City Bowl.

Of course Joe will have us well prepared I'm sure so what could go wrong?***********

He wouldn't coach in the bowl game. He will probably go but spend his time recruiting like Moorhead did

[TheLostDawg]

If we make no staff changes this offseason of our own doing ,& not assistants choosing to leave on their own, then we deserve everything that comes next season. If he is stubborn and arrogant enough to change nothing, then 6-6 is BEST CASE scenario imo & he?s most likely gone with that or anything worse which is entirely possible. This has been one more of a shit show...

I doubt staff changes are made until after the bowl, that way you can hold the recruiting class together while blaming it on the bowl for not letting them go before, make a list of top candidates and possibly pursue them all the while those new guys finish out their job. Cohen and Moorhead night be on top of it and move early. We'll see.

[Liverpooldawg]

A bunch of people saying the same thing probably aren't wrong. Or have the same source.

A bunch of people saying something they want to be true can be wrong many times, especially when it comes to sports.

[HailStateSZN19]

I doubt staff changes are made until after the bowl, that way you can hold the recruiting class together while blaming it on the bowl for not letting them go before, make a list of top candidates and possibly pursue them all the while those new guys finish out their job. Cohen and Moorhead night be on top of it and move early. We'll see.

It'd be a pleasant surprise for them to be on top of it early. I understand the waiting until after the bowl game. But there is a ton of time between now and the bowl game to be eyeing some guys to interview or reaching out to agents of assistants. I'm not convinced we go out and hire a legit "OC" that would take play calling duties away but rumor is that was one of the things communicated to Joe in the meeting (now whether he actually listens to it and follows through with it remains to be seen). But I would be hitting up Jeff Lebby at UCF. QB's coach right now. He's married into the Briles family and was at Baylor when they were there and has been successful everywhere he's been. He runs the offense that the Briles' ran & everyone has been/was so enamored by it. It's similar to what we run except it's a little more power run, it's very up tempo, and more variations within the formations. Runs the same 11 formation we do. He's got the same offense as the Briles run/ran but without their name attached to it (for those who would never be ok with hiring one of the Briles after the Baylor mess). He doesn't have to take over complete play calling (although that'd be nice) but he could at least bring some new concepts to the offense to change some things up and could help with the game planning. It's always interesting to me to see some names thrown out and do some digging on them to see what they'd bring to the table and what they've done in the past and what kind of fit it'd be.

[TrapGame]

The fact that MSU has basically launched a massive PR campaign for the football team is very telling. Yes, part of it is how Joe acted in his press conference. Some of it is also because of how the team performed.

Cohen told Bo Bounds, and I heard him with my own ears, that he was impressed with how Joe and team improved by looking at the Arkansas and ole miss games. It gave him (Cohen) hope and encouragement for next season.

I. Shit. You. Not.

[gtowndawg]

Cohen told Bo Bounds, and I heard him with my own ears, that he was impressed with how Joe and team improved by looking at the Arkansas and ole miss games. It gave him (Cohen) hope and encouragement for next season.

I. Shit. You. Not.

Why not throw in FCS underdog Abiline Christian while you're at it Cohen? Geez.

[Dawgology]

Cohen told Bo Bounds, and I heard him with my own ears, that he was impressed with how Joe and team improved by looking at the Arkansas and ole miss games. It gave him (Cohen) hope and encouragement for next season.

I. Shit. You. Not.

Recruiting season baby!

[TrapGame]

Why not throw in FCS underdog Abiline Christian while you're at it Cohen? Geez.

Well, it took us to the 4th possession to score a touchdown on a FCS team.

[Cloak]

I'll say this - Someone in the athletic department confirmed all of the rumors Ari posted the day before the Egg Bowl. They said it was a done deal as well. Including that Napier was lined up. Not sure what happened, but there was definitely something to all of the rumors.

[gtowndawg]

I'll say this - Someone in the athletic department confirmed all of the rumors Ari posted the day before the Egg Bowl. They said it was a done deal as well. Including that Napier was lined up. Not sure what happened, but there was definitely something to all of the rumors.

I literally can't think of a rumor over the past 20 years that had that kind of widespread posting that wasn't true. From Fant not making the trip to Oregon to players suspended this year. When that many people (on two boards) are talking about it something is going on. I don't profess to know the exact details but something was most certainly happening behind the scenes. To pretend it was all a made up and a coordinated fake news attempt (buy a bunch of people that don't know each other) is silly. Something went down but it doesn't matter now. Sign a top 20 class and win a bowl and start winning me back over.

[Martianlander]

That's all I got from his tirade. It just further solidified my thoughts about him. But we will see. This bowl game is going to be huge for fan support going into next season.

The fans may come disguised as empty seats.

[Liverpooldawg]

Guys saying there was nothing to all the rumors look like the biggest dumbasses in the world. Just thought I'd let you know. Was every rumor as told true? No, but to blanket say there was absolutely nothing to them? Don't continue to be a dumbass. Go get some help.

Well, it didn't happen so the rumors were not true. Facts can be inconvenient.

[TrapGame]

Well, it didn't happen so the rumors were not true. Facts can be inconvenient.

Who told you it didn't happen?

[R2Dawg]

Well, it didn't happen so the rumors were not true. Facts can be inconvenient.

You are confusing two different things. Just because a rumor didn't happen doesn't mean that the reality of rumors didn't happen. Rumors coming to fruition or not says nothing about facts behind it. That is a fact and I am not sure any of us know any facts about anything except maybe one - there were lots of rumors and lots of talking about things that may or may not happen. About the only fact we know.

[R2Dawg]

The fact that MSU has basically launched a massive PR campaign for the football team is very telling. Yes, part of it is how Joe acted in his press conference. Some of it is also because of how the team performed.

MSU shouldn't have to try and fix anything from Joe's BS press conference - Joe should. His mess from what he said was his team and his program.

[timotheus]

I agree that MSU shouldn't but Cohen is doing that anyway due to the embarrassing way it all went down. No different than the leg hike getting Luke canned up there. He's still the HC but it went on to all the national media outlets and a few large donors came down hard on the new AD and forced his hand.

[mparkerfd20]

Well, it didn't happen so the rumors were not true. Facts can be inconvenient.

Everyone already knows you're helpless so you can disregard my post.

[Political Hack]

This is consistent with almost everything I've been told from several different directions. The only conflicting information I've had on this entire saga is who was at fault for getting cold feet when firing JoMo. My only question is this: Was it Cohen or Keenum that ultimately blocked the move? I've been told opposite stories, both from people I trust.

[Indndawg]

I think Keenum was the one.

[Coursesuper]

This is consistent with almost everything I've been told from several different directions. The only conflicting information I've had on this entire saga is who was at fault for getting cold feet when firing JoMo. My only question is this: Was it Cohen or Keenum that ultimately blocked the move? I've been told opposite stories, both from people I trust.

Me also.

[HancockCountyDog]

No way Joe comes into that press conference spewing fire, making excuses, and pounding his achievements unless some shit had been going down before the game. He was clearly flustered and giving a big middle finger to everyone who wanted him gone.

I agree - but that tells me there was no agreement of a buyout - I think he was being kept in the dark.

[BayouDawg]

I don't believe we knew the tutor cheated for Nick and we did nothing until later when she had a chance to cheat for the football players. I think they found out about Nick first because she submitted the quiz during his game and then as they investigated found out she did it for some football players too.

As for the rest of what you're saying, maybe. You're close on a lot of stuff but not exactly right on the details, such as KT being part of Tutorgate. He wasn't.

Youre spot on with how tutorgate was discovered. Nicks test submission while he was playing a game initiated the digging which found the football players out.

[deadheaddawg]

A buyout was agreed to before the egg bowl. Moorhead signed it, but he actually just scribbled "syke". So it legally didn't count.

Cohen didn't notice it and here we are. All of that is 100% true. I have a cousin that is an attorney.

[AROB44]

A buyout was agreed to before the egg bowl. Moorhead signed it, but he actually just scribbled "syke". So it legally didn't count.

Cohen didn't notice it and here we are. All of that is 100% true. I have a cousin that is an attorney.

Well....it must be true. I just read it on an internet message board.....the best place for truthful information.