An eye opener about our offense

[Coach34]

Our offenses under Moorhead- with all the NFL caliber guys on the OL, the all-time leading rusher at QB in SEC history, thousand yard rushers in Williams and Hill....100 plus career catchers like Zuber and solid TE's like Green....is basically the same as when we had Tyson Lee and Chris Relf at QB in 2009.

2009

Total Offense- 69th
Scoring O- 72nd

2018

Total O- 71st
Scoring O- 68th

2019

Total O- 65th
Scoring O- 75th

One coach made the most out of what he had. I'll let you guess which one.

[dawgday166]

Dude ... we put up 318 yds in our state championship game, against our hated rivals with the 12th ranked defense in SEC and beat them. Be happy will ya. It was GLORIOUS ***

[Commercecomet24]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

[Dawgology]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

Best comment ever. #truth

[CadaverDawg]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

Bingo

[DogsofAnarchy]

But the morons pumping his sunshine just can’t see it. It isn’t going to get better. It’s going to get worse.

[HoopsDawg]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

People say the MSU head coaching job is hard. BS, the MS State head coaching job is awesome. Recruit within a 300 mile radius. Play 5 games a year you basically can't lose. Win one more game over an Ole Miss or a UK. Go to a bowl, never get fired, and make 3 Million plus per year.

[NCDawg]

Amazes me how Moorhead can tell the fan base to f off, and says this is my school, my team, my program, and you will have to drag my Yankee ass out of here. Cohen says nothing so I guess he agrees with Moorhead. I guess they are effectively saying shut up, buy your tickets, and keep your damn mouth shut.

[JoseBrown]

Amazes me how Moorhead can tell the fan base to f off, and says this is my school, my team, my program, and you will have to drag my Yankee ass out of here. Cohen says nothing so I guess he agrees with Moorhead. I guess they are effectively saying shut up, buy your tickets, and keep your damn mouth shut.

I may have missed it but did Croomhead or his bff address Saban's comment about practicing on our field in the first half against us? If it were my team being throttled and practiced against in the first half, I'd be beyond pissed. I have nothing to do with Croomhead's program, but I was royally pissed off when I heard that. I just must've missed any comments our leaders had to say about it.

[MaroonFlounder]

It sure feels like a lot of time and effort gets wasted on these here message board and forums.

I freely admit I have no stroke.

The people that need to hear all the complaints are Keenum, Cohen and the cigar boys.

I support the team, but freely admit changes are crucial, whether that means Joe's exit or not.

[HoopsDawg]

We are 103rd in the country in plays per game. Last year we were 117th in plays per game. You would think a guru would want to run as many plays as possible.

[OLJWales]

Our offenses under Moorhead- with all the NFL caliber guys on the OL, the all-time leading rusher at QB in SEC history, thousand yard rushers in Williams and Hill....100 plus career catchers like Zuber and solid TE's like Green....is basically the same as when we had Tyson Lee and Chris Relf at QB in 2009.

2009

Total Offense- 69th
Scoring O- 72nd

2018

Total O- 71st
Scoring O- 68th

2019

Total O- 65th
Scoring O- 75th

One coach made the most out of what he had. I'll let you guess which one.

IMO, that was one of the best 1st year coaching jobs ever, especially for someone who'd never held the reigns before. All things considered plus we had the hardest schedule in the nation that year.

[BeardoMSU]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

ouch.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Comparing Croom to Moorhead is a slap in the face to Croom. Croom at least had better emotional intelligence and didnt throw a tantrum at a press conference. Croom would have about the same results as Moorhead given the players the last two years.

[Gordon Gekko]

Comparing Croom to Moorhead is a slap in the face to Croom. Croom at least had better emotional intelligence and didnt throw a tantrum at a press conference. Croom would have about the same results as Moorhead given the players the last two years.

This is too much. Y’all either weren’t around for Croom or are blinded by Moorhead hate. Croom said he wasn’t surprised we lost to Maine because they were more talented. That we were all blind if we didn’t see improvement after looking completely inept. There were games we didn’t even get first downs until the second half.

[TrapGame]

Joe is croom with an easier route to 6 wins and a bowl.

Can't argue with that. The man is an offensive genius with zero offensive ingenuity. He'll finish 6-6 as long as he's here. He'll blow an EB every other year so we never finish 7-5. But we'll never fire a 6-6 coach taking us to a bowl. This fool is a benign tumor not worth the surgery expense.

[Ari Gold]

A good start would be firing Breiner and replacing him with Werner who rumor has it just got fired from Usce.
Werner was the main reason Freeze offense was what it was at OM
Make him QB coach and at worse CoOc

[JoseBrown]

This is too much. Y’all either weren’t around for Croom or are blinded by Moorhead hate. Croom said he wasn’t surprised we lost to Maine because they were more talented. That we were all blind if we didn’t see improvement after looking completely inept. There were games we didn’t even get first downs until the second half.

That's right, and this offense reminds me of those. West Coast principles with a little rpo mixed in, and the outcome looks to be at least similar, save for one game. I'd love for this offense to work in this league, I just don't see it happening. Would love to be wrong tho!

[Dawgfan77]

A good start would be firing Breiner and replacing him with Werner who rumor has it just got fired from Usce.
Werner was the main reason Freeze offense was what it was at OM
Make him QB coach and at worse CoOc
He won?t hire someone not associated with his offense. Hope I?m wrong.
I?d hire Frank Wilson as RB coach and stringer as ST coach. Call me crazy but I?d hire trooper Taylor as WR coach.

[Gordon Gekko]

That's right, and this offense reminds me of those. West Coast principles with a little rpo mixed in, and the outcome looks to be at least similar, save for one game. I'd love for this offense to work in this league, I just don't see it happening. Would love to be wrong tho!

I?m not saying his offense is great, or even the right one for us, but it is nowhere near Croom level terrible.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Here are our national ranks in total offense for the past decade, both with and without games vs. FCS teams included:

2009: 69/64
2010: 42/50
2011: 84/96
2012: 80/76
2013: 42/44
2014: 8/7
2015: 31/34
2016: 44/57
2017: 46/52
2018: 71/84
2019: 65/74

And here are our national ranks in scoring offense for the same span, again both with and without games vs. FCS teams included:

2009: 72/76
2010: 48/54
2011: 72/87
2012: 60/65
2013: 70/78
2014: 16/16
2015: 33/43
2016: 56/63
2017: 41/43
2018: 68/80
2019: 75/77

Using those stats, the past two seasons have been on par with 2009, 2011, 2012, and, at least for scoring, 2013.

Not a huge fan of raw stats like that for comparisons, though. Raw yards per play could be interesting. For instance, while our national ranks in total offense and scoring offense were higher in 2017 than in '18 or '19, the opposite was true for yards per play: 87th nationally in 2017 in FBS games and 46th and 48th in 2018 and 2019. But it's not perfect either. Success rates would probably give a better baseline, preferably filtered for FCS games and garbage time.

I'll try to get time to do a breakdown in the next week or so. In the meantime, you can refer back to my "Pepsi challenge (https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?74468-Taking-the-Pepsi-Challenge-with-the-offense&highlight=pepsi)" post late in the summer if you'd like. The 2016, 2017, and 2018 offensive numbers in conference play were remarkably similar, especially between 2017 and 2018.

[Dawgology]

Here are our national ranks in total offense for the past decade, both with and without games vs. FCS teams included:

2009: 69/64
2010: 42/50
2011: 84/96
2012: 80/76
2013: 42/44
2014: 8/7
2015: 31/34
2016: 44/57
2017: 46/52
2018: 71/84
2019: 65/74

And here are our national ranks in scoring offense for the same span, again both with and without games vs. FCS teams included:

2009: 72/76
2010: 48/54
2011: 72/87
2012: 60/65
2013: 70/78
2014: 16/16
2015: 33/43
2016: 56/63
2017: 41/43
2018: 68/80
2019: 75/77

Using those stats, the past two seasons have been on par with 2009, 2011, 2012, and, at least for scoring, 2013.

Not a huge fan of raw stats like that for comparisons, though. Raw yards per play could be interesting. For instance, while our national ranks in total offense and scoring offense were higher in 2017 than in '18 or '19, the opposite was true for yards per play: 87th nationally in 2017 in FBS games and 46th and 48th in 2018 and 2019. But it's not perfect either. Success rates would probably give a better baseline, preferably filtered for FCS games and garbage time.

I'll try to get time to do a breakdown in the next week or so. In the meantime, you can refer back to my "Pepsi challenge (https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?74468-Taking-the-Pepsi-Challenge-with-the-offense&highlight=pepsi)" post late in the summer if you'd like. The 2016, 2017, and 2018 offensive numbers in conference play were remarkably similar, especially between 2017 and 2018.

I would love to see that breakdown. Looking forward to it

[Prediction? Pain.]

I?m not saying his offense is great, or even the right one for us, but it is nowhere near Croom level terrible.

Correct. Croom's teams' national ranks in total offense and scoring offense (out of roughly 118 teams):

2004: 107th / 114th
2005: 113th / 113th
2006: 103rd / 97th
2007: 113th / 96th
2008: 113th / 115th

[JoseBrown]

Correct. Croom's teams' national ranks in total offense and scoring offense (out of roughly 118 teams):

2004: 107th / 114th
2005: 113th / 113th
2006: 103rd / 97th
2007: 113th / 96th
2008: 113th / 115th

I remember sitting in near empty second half stadium those years. We were able to stretch out and talk recruiting in comfort. I saw lots of confusion and frustration trying to make yards back then, and see a lot of the same now. Obviously we're gaining more yards now, but against anyone with a semblance of a pass rush we are toast...and that's why I like Shrader, he's very slippery and able to make yardage on his feet. But any qb is gonna need a little time to make quality throws in this offense. Unless some changes are made. In two years I've seen some good changes made and stuck with once to this offense and it worked.