Well, the EB is our measuring stick per our admin and donors!

[Thick]

I guess OM is the flagship after all. What a complete kick in the nuts to extend Joe and keep his soft ass in this division much less the league. After his post game presser, I would rather throat punch him then drop a dime in Starkville next fall. It?s not a bad attitude, it?s a justified decision based off of 2 years of under achieving. I truly don?t know if the donors couldn?t come together on a buyout, or Cohen and Keenum really believe in this guy, but I do believe we will be looking for a new HC along with OM next year. I?m speechless right now, stunned beyond belief that we are giving this guy a pass with all of the talent he?s mismanaged....in complete disbelief.

[BeardoMSU]

Little. brother.

[dawgday166]

That is our only measuring stick.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's unreal.

I'm speechless as well. Everyone that's ever played a sport at a high level realizes that this is an absolute dead end.

Complete mismanagement all around.

[msstate7]

Well if we fired joe, the same clowns would be hiring the new coach, so we probably screwed either way

[BuckyIsAB****]

It's unreal.

I'm speechless as well. Everyone that's ever played a sport at a high level realizes that this is an absolute dead end.

Complete mismanagement all around.

Maybe your best post. Anybody that has had to compete or wants to compete can see we are tucking our tails and hiding in the corner. Taking a knee on the whole sport.

[dawgday166]

Well if we fired joe, the same clowns would be hiring the new coach, so we probably screwed either way

Well ... looking at it that way ... I'm on board with Joe now. I feel better now

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well if we fired joe, the same clowns would be hiring the new coach, so we probably screwed either way

The boosters would be involved this time though, nobody trusts Cohen

Plus even if we had another Joe, the ticket sales would be up for a bit till us fans figured it out lol

[Commercecomet24]

Maybe your best post. Anybody that has had to compete or wants to compete can see we are tucking our tails and hiding in the corner. Taking a knee on the whole sport.

This. It's sickening to me that we are letting what's been built die on the vine. All the years we struggled to compete and we finally get there and now we're throwing it away. Smh

[msstate7]

The boosters would be involved this time though, nobody trusts Cohen

Plus even if we had another Joe, the ticket sales would be up for a bit till us fans figured it out lol

I'd roll the dice on a change in a heartbeat; but after this news today, I'm not sure chizik was a smokescreen. Our brass is apparently full of idiots

[msugolf]

I guess OM is the flagship after all. What a complete kick in the nuts to extend Joe and keep his soft ass in this division much less the league. After his post game presser, I would rather throat punch him then drop a dime in Starkville next fall. It?s not a bad attitude, it?s a justified decision based off of 2 years of under achieving. I truly don?t know if the donors couldn?t come together on a buyout, or Cohen and Keenum really believe in this guy, but I do believe we will be looking for a new HC along with OM next year. I?m speechless right now, stunned beyond belief that we are giving this guy a pass with all of the talent he?s mismanaged....in complete disbelief.

We're such a little bitch school

[Commercecomet24]

I'd roll the dice on a change in a heartbeat; but after this news today, I'm not sure chizik was a smokescreen. Our brass is apparently full of idiots

Yep I can't have confidence in any decision they make from here on out. They had the backing and support to make this happen and didn't pull the trigger. They've decided our ceiling is 6-7 wins now. Enjoy mediocrity

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yep I can't have confidence in any decision they make from here on out. They had the backing and support to make this happen and didn't pull the trigger. They've decided our ceiling is 6-7 wins now. Enjoy mediocrity

Buy baseball season tickets in the chairbacks for 225 dollars(even though they are already bought!) or spend a few grand on our lofts for one series just to watch us promise an elite coach then hire a different one, go to Omaha and choke again! That is the highlight of our sports seasons now.

Schafer aint gonna save us

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I'd roll the dice on a change in a heartbeat; but after this news today, I'm not sure chizik was a smokescreen. Our brass is apparently full of idiots

Yeah Cohen sided with the idiot half of the boosters, which means when we hire a coach it'll likely be whoever they want. If true then football is toast. It just is. Cna't survive 3 years f a coach worse than Croom and follow that up with a Chizik level hire for another 3. That's basically putting us where Croom left us

[CadaverDawg]

I guess OM is the flagship after all. What a complete kick in the nuts to extend Joe and keep his soft ass in this division much less the league. After his post game presser, I would rather throat punch him then drop a dime in Starkville next fall. It?s not a bad attitude, it?s a justified decision based off of 2 years of under achieving. I truly don?t know if the donors couldn?t come together on a buyout, or Cohen and Keenum really believe in this guy, but I do believe we will be looking for a new HC along with OM next year. I?m speechless right now, stunned beyond belief that we are giving this guy a pass with all of the talent he?s mismanaged....in complete disbelief.

I couldn't agree more.

[TrapGame]

When we go to NC State and get our ass handed to us by a pitiful ACC team all hell will break loose just like after the Tennessee game. Those same boosters that had a change of heart after the Egg will be pissed off again like nobody saw this shit coming a mile away.

[BeardoMSU]

As I've said before: Dan had us pegged.

Still....this shit is depressing as ****. We all know what needs to be done, but nope....too much liddle brudder in our veins.

Don't remember who said it yesterday, but "to win, sometimes you've got to lose"...which is why so many posters were nervous about the OM game defining how we handled Joe. Now that we've won, we're going to lose in the long run. Sickening.

But hey, it was really embarrassing for OM, so maybe we should hang a ****ing banner....because that's all that matters to us.

[Commercecomet24]

When we go to NC State and get our ass handed to us by a pitiful ACC team all hell will break loose just like after the Tennessee game. Those same boosters that had a change of heart after the Egg will be pissed off again like nobody saw this shit coming a mile away.

Yep exactly!

[Todd4State]

Well if we fired joe, the same clowns would be hiring the new coach, so we probably screwed either way

Ladies and gentlemen your new MSU coach- Gene Chizik!

[Commercecomet24]

I want Larry Coker he won a nc! ****

[War Machine Dawg]

As I've said before: Dan had us pegged.

Still....this shit is depressing as ****. We all know what needs to be done, but nope....too much liddle brudder in our veins.

Don't remember who said it yesterday, but "to win, sometimes you've got to lose"...which is why so many posters were nervous about the OM game defining how we handled Joe. Now that we've won, we're going to lose in the long run. Sickening.

But hey, it was really embarrassing for OM, so maybe we should hang a ****ing banner....because that's all that matters to us.

We have the ultimate example of that in Liverpool. Most costly Battle for the Golden Egg victory EVAH.

[War Machine Dawg]

When we go to NC State and get our ass handed to us by a pitiful ACC team all hell will break loose just like after the Tennessee game. Those same boosters that had a change of heart after the Egg will be pissed off again like nobody saw this shit coming a mile away.

Yep. And Jughead will flirt with 6-6 due to another weak ass schedule. If he flukes into another W over Northern Miss, we'll be right back here doing the exact same cluster17 of a song and dance this time next year. Because our admin definitely won't have the balls to fire Jughead midseason. That's what a real P5 program would do. But the Virginia Slims proved today we aren't a real P5 program.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Or he gets on a little run and wins every game we supposed to this next year, getting us to 8-4. Again, maybe we will enter the year with all 85 schollies and we have to make fundamental changes to HOW we coach practices, s&c, and gamedays.

[Commercecomet24]

A clear message was sent to the fanbase today. The admin and certain boosters are completely happy with 6-7 wins as a ceiling and an egg bowl win and we as fans should be happy to compete for the viagra/stay free bowl game each year. Mediocrity is the new high!

[Maroonthirteen]

I'd roll the dice on a change in a heartbeat; but after this news today, I'm not sure chizik was a smokescreen. Our brass is apparently full of idiots

Maybe Chizik was the only coach that take the job at the moment. And our Admin decided to stick with Jo.

After the bullshit rumors here..... I don?t believe for a second Napier or Norvell were interested at this time.

[BeardoMSU]

Or he gets on a little run and wins every game we supposed to this next year, getting us to 8-4. Again, maybe we will enter the year with all 85 schollies and we have to make fundamental changes to HOW we coach practices, s&c, and gamedays.

I would love for that to happen, just don't think it will. You can tell Joe isn't the guy because of the little things we do poorly....and there are a lot of em. Not to mention his puketastic offense, and he's supposedly "tha guru", when he takes his coaching pills, obviously...

Seriously, this couldn't be more clear.

[HoopsDawg]

A clear message was sent to the fanbase today. The admin and certain boosters are completely happy with 6-7 wins as a ceiling and an egg bowl win and we as fans should be happy to compete for the viagra/stay free bowl game each year. Mediocrity is the new high!

Yep, never mind that our schedule is set for a floor of 5 wins every year. And Never mind that we looked like complete shit in all 6 of our losses.

[BeardoMSU]

A clear message was sent to the fanbase today. The admin and certain boosters are completely happy with 6-7 wins as a ceiling and an egg bowl win and we as fans should be happy to compete for the viagra/stay free bowl game each year. Mediocrity is the new high!

But we've got Egg Bowl memories forever, CC!!! Way more important than national relevance.***

[Thick]

Ladies and gentlemen your new MSU coach- Gene Chizik!

I was told Chizik too, but he?s better then this slap dick carepetbagger then we have now.

[Liverpooldawg]

We have the ultimate example of that in Liverpool. Most costly Battle for the Golden Egg victory EVAH.

I'm laughing at you. You sound exactly like those Ole Miss idiots trying to convince themselves that LSU is their Real rival and the Egg. Bowl doesn't matter. You and your buddies.are exactly like them. Th FACT is that to 99% of our fan base the Egg Bowl is and always will matter more than any other game. That is how it should be. It IS the most important game, for many reasons. It IS the first and most important measuring stick. Anyone that denies that is delusional, in several different ways. Unlike you miserable people I'm pretty dang happy and enjoying life today. I haven't had but one our two Rebs even mention the game to me, and those only to say how embarrassed they are over what happened. It wouldn't be that way if they had won. I've never seen them this quiet after the Egg EVER. It's glorious.

[Liverpooldawg]

A clear message was sent to the fanbase today. The admin and certain boosters are completely happy with 6-7 wins as a ceiling and an egg bowl win and we as fans should be happy to compete for the viagra/stay free bowl game each year. Mediocrity is the new high!

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen in this board, and that's saying something. Y'all have gone insane.

[TimberBeast]

A clear message was sent to the fanbase today. The admin and certain boosters are completely happy with 6-7 wins as a ceiling and an egg bowl win and we as fans should be happy to compete for the viagra/stay free bowl game each year. Mediocrity is the new high!

This is exactly right, the worst part is that Starkville is going to suffer too.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen in this board, and that's saying something. Y'all have gone insane.

oh for gods sake just shut up liver you're a 17ing idiot

[Liverpooldawg]

oh for gods sake just shut up liver you're a 17ing idiot

Thanks from the compliment! I'd be worried if most if y'all did like me. Y'all have gone insane.

[IMissJack]

So we get approx. $40M a year (I think, could be high) from SECN, and we can't do a buyout? If that is the case, we should drop football.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Maybe Chizik was the only coach that take the job at the moment. And our Admin decided to stick with Jo.

After the bullshit rumors here..... I don?t believe for a second Napier or Norvell were interested at this time.

I don't believe that a G5 coach wouldn't jump at the chance to immediately go from $1M a year to $3M, the opportunity to coach in the SEC, a guarantee of several million $$$ in buyout if he's fired, a guarantee of $4M a year if he's mildly successful, and a guarantee of a Blue Blood job if he does really well.

Remember, coaches are a arrogant cocky bunch and they tend to think they can succeed. Moreover, G5 coaches don't get better job than us unless they go 12-0 like Frost or Herman. Look at Neil Brown- had we hired him he'd be making 3.5M at an SEC school with top 25 talent. Instead a year later he has to take the WV job making less. Scatterfield is at a worse program than us after being ignored for a season or 2, Clark was passed up, Norvell has been passed up for years now... G5 coaches aren't as picky as you'd think. Maybe the top 1 in a year but the other 2-3 really solid G5 coaches would jump at our job

[Liverpooldawg]

So we get approx. $40M a year (I think, could be high) from SECN, and we can't do a buyout? If that is the case, we should drop football.

Well, we had to build a baseball stadium. And golf club houses, and pay for all the other sports. I was told over a month ago the money wasn't there. Y'all didn't want to hear it.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't believe that a G5 coach wouldn't jump at the chance to immediately go from $1M a year to $3M, the opportunity to coach in the SEC, a guarantee of several million $$$ in buyout if he's fired, a guarantee of $4M a year if he's mildly successful, and a guarantee of a Blue Blood job if he does really well.

Remember, coaches are a arrogant cocky bunch and they tend to think they can succeed. Moreover, G5 coaches don't get better job than us unless they go 12-0 like Frost or Herman. Look at Neil Brown- had we hired him he'd be making 3.5M at an SEC school with top 25 talent. Instead a year later he has to take the WV job making less. Scatterfield is at a worse program than us after being ignored for a season or 2, Clark was passed up, Norvell has been passed up for years now... G5 coaches aren't as picky as you'd think. Maybe the top 1 in a year but the other 2-3 really solid G5 coaches would jump at our job

Oh I'm sure we could get the kind of coach that would do it for that amount of money no matter how we treated his predecessor.

[SDDawg]

I guess OM is the flagship after all. What a complete kick in the nuts to extend Joe and keep his soft ass in this division much less the league. After his post game presser, I would rather throat punch him then drop a dime in Starkville next fall. It?s not a bad attitude, it?s a justified decision based off of 2 years of under achieving. I truly don?t know if the donors couldn?t come together on a buyout, or Cohen and Keenum really believe in this guy, but I do believe we will be looking for a new HC along with OM next year. I?m speechless right now, stunned beyond belief that we are giving this guy a pass with all of the talent he?s mismanaged....in complete disbelief.

OM, that has lost 7 out of the last 11 Egg Bowls, has won 9 games in 2 years and hasn't been to a bowl since 2015 is what??? Quit whining and being stupid my man.

[dawgday166]

oh for gods sake just shut up liver you're a 17ing idiot

He's just saying "stay in your lane bruh".

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'm laughing at you. You sound exactly like those Ole Miss idiots trying to convince themselves that LSU is their Real rival and the Egg. Bowl doesn't matter. You and your buddies.are exactly like them. Th FACT is that to 99% of our fan base the Egg Bowl is and always will matter more than any other game. That is how it should be. It IS the most important game, for many reasons. It IS the first and most important measuring stick. Anyone that denies that is delusional, in several different ways. Unlike you miserable people I'm pretty dang happy and enjoying life today. I haven't had but one our two Rebs even mention the game to me, and those only to say how embarrassed they are over what happened. It wouldn't be that way if they had won. I've never seen them this quiet after the Egg EVER. It's glorious.

This is why we will never compete for a championship. No matter what else bullshit excuse you make about what we dont have and what we cant do, its the mindset that we beat a 4-8 OM team with a carpetbagger blue belly who doesnt wanna be here after he put up one of the worst offensive seasons in the history of our school you are content.

You would fit in well at the Bryan Building right now

[Thick]

OM, that has lost 7 out of the last 11 Egg Bowls, has won 9 games in 2 years and hasn't been to a bowl since 2015 is what??? Quit whining and being stupid my man.

I got a much better idea, how about you stfu? You don’t know me and have no idea what I know. I guarantee you I know more about playing in the SEC then you have watched.

[Liverpooldawg]

This is why we will never compete for a championship. No matter what else bullshit excuse you make about what we dont have and what we cant do, its the mindset that we beat a 4-8 OM team with a carpetbagger blue belly who doesnt wanna be here after he put up one of the worst offensive seasons in the history of our school you are content.

You would fit in well at the Bryan Building right now

Did you notice I didn't say it was the only measuring stick? I doubt you did. The fact remains that you will never compete for anything much beyond the Egg if you don't win it way more than you lose it. You have to dominate the state first. We haven't really done it in nearly 100 years. The other thing I'll say in this one is I lived through much, much worse. I still appreciate not getting rolled by Maine. Your mindset is the same mindset we have had forever. You are advocating doing the same sad thing we have always done. You are looking for the messiah of football. It doesn't usually work that way.

[Commercecomet24]

This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen in this board, and that's saying something. Y'all have gone insane.

Glad you're happy with mediocrity my man! You'll be really happy for the near future, enjoy. I don't settle for mediocrity myself but that's jus me. You go on and be happy now.

[IMissJack]

Well, we had to build a baseball stadium. And golf club houses, and pay for all the other sports. I was told over a month ago the money wasn't there. Y'all didn't want to hear it.

You are the worst poster on this board and it is not close.

[Maroonthirteen]

I don't believe that a G5 coach wouldn't jump at the chance to immediately go from $1M a year to $3M, the opportunity to coach in the SEC, a guarantee of several million $$$ in buyout if he's fired, a guarantee of $4M a year if he's mildly successful, and a guarantee of a Blue Blood job if he does really well.

Remember, coaches are a arrogant cocky bunch and they tend to think they can succeed. Moreover, G5 coaches don't get better job than us unless they go 12-0 like Frost or Herman. Look at Neil Brown- had we hired him he'd be making 3.5M at an SEC school with top 25 talent. Instead a year later he has to take the WV job making less. Scatterfield is at a worse program than us after being ignored for a season or 2, Clark was passed up, Norvell has been passed up for years now... G5 coaches aren't as picky as you'd think. Maybe the top 1 in a year but the other 2-3 really solid G5 coaches would jump at our job

State could get a G5 coach. After Arkansas and FSU fill their jobs or turn them down

[Liverpooldawg]

You are the worst poster on this board and it is not close.

I'm glad you think so. I wouldn't want to be considered a good one here.

[Liverpooldawg]

Glad you're happy with mediocrity my man! You'll be really happy for the near future, enjoy. I don't settle for mediocrity myself but that's jus me. You go on and be happy now.

If you don't like mediocrity why are you advocating it? Firing a coach with a winning record at a non-blue blood after two years is almost guaranteed to get you worse than mediocre with the next hire. Y'all haven't even noticed that I'm not defending Joe. You haven't seen me defend him all year. Y'all can't look past your own nose.

[Apoplectic]

welp makes us as pathetic as those bammer and barn rednex

[dawgday166]

Glad you're happy with mediocrity my man! You'll be really happy for the near future, enjoy. I don't settle for mediocrity myself but that's jus me. You go on and be happy now.

He enjoys wallowing around at the bottom of the SEC with Vandy, Ky, and OM ... all while drinking eclectic beer occasionally with one of the bigger boosters that are helping to keep us there I'm guessing.

[HoopsDawg]

You are the worst poster on this board and it is not close.

He admitted he gives awful takes on purpose.

[Commercecomet24]

If you don't like mediocrity why are you advocating it? Firing a coach with a winning record at a non-blue blood after two years is almost guaranteed to get you worse than mediocre with the next hire. Y'all haven't even noticed that I'm not defending Joe. You haven't seen me defend him all year. Y'all can't look past your own nose.

Because 100% joe ain't the guy he's proven it over and over and my original statement is 100% correct with joe 6-7 wins our ceiling and you said that was dumbest post ever r but it's 100% true. I don't keep mediocre employees that are unproductive I move on and find one that's better. I can't help you if you can't understand that: smh!

[Liverpooldawg]

He enjoys wallowing around at the bottom of the SEC with Vandy, Ky, and OM ... all while drinking eclectic beer occasionally with one of the bigger boosters that are helping to keep us there I'm guessing.

Lol, I wish on the booster. The group think here is so amazing, and frightening.

[Commercecomet24]

If you don't like mediocrity why are you advocating it? Firing a coach with a winning record at a non-blue blood after two years is almost guaranteed to get you worse than mediocre with the next hire. Y'all haven't even noticed that I'm not defending Joe. You haven't seen me defend him all year. Y'all can't look past your own nose.

Actually joe is now 6 and 11. We had to vacate those 8 wins from last year.

[Liverpooldawg]

He admitted he gives awful takes on purpose.

Well, according to you. Y'all are hilarious. My takes are not black and white, emotional, or based on the nose on my face. Those kind of things don't sit well here. I'm not the only one here by the way. I just don't mind the blasting I take from y'all. I'd be worried if most of you agreed with me very often.

[Liverpooldawg]

Actually joe is now 6 and 11. We had to vacate those 8 wins from last year.

Ok, hang your hat there. It makes about as much sense as most of the rest of the stuff in here.

[Liverpooldawg]

Because 100% joe ain't the guy he's proven it over and over and my original statement is 100% correct with joe 6-7 wins our ceiling and you said that was dumbest post ever r but it's 100% true. I don't keep mediocre employees that are unproductive I move on and find one that's better. I can't help you if you can't understand that: smh!

I bet you pay really well too.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

State could get a G5 coach. After Arkansas and FSU fill their jobs or turn them down

We are in a much better position than Arky and it's not close. According to our insiders Napier was the one we had a deal in place with, and Arky is still looking. Napier is pretty clearly the #2 G5 HC after Norvell yet he wasn't holding out for Arky

[Commercecomet24]

I bet you pay really well too.

Yep I do thank you for noticing.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok, hang your hat there. It makes about as much sense as most of the rest of the stuff in here.

Yeah almost as much sense as some of your bs

[BeardoMSU]

I'm laughing at you. You sound exactly like those Ole Miss idiots trying to convince themselves that LSU is their Real rival and the Egg. Bowl doesn't matter. You and your buddies.are exactly like them. Th FACT is that to 99% of our fan base the Egg Bowl is and always will matter more than any other game. That is how it should be. It IS the most important game, for many reasons. It IS the first and most important measuring stick. Anyone that denies that is delusional, in several different ways. Unlike you miserable people I'm pretty dang happy and enjoying life today. I haven't had but one our two Rebs even mention the game to me, and those only to say how embarrassed they are over what happened. It wouldn't be that way if they had won. I've never seen them this quiet after the Egg EVER. It's glorious.

Don't ever complain about mediocrity then, especially when mediocrity is your measuring stick.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I bet you pay really well too.

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach

[Liverpooldawg]

Yep I do thank you for noticing.

I figured you would have to.

[Commercecomet24]

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach

Well said.

[Commercecomet24]

I figured you would have to.

You don't know anything about me man. You're getting personal now. I never made it personal with you so take a hike with your bs

[NCDawg]

It's unreal.

I'm speechless as well. Everyone that's ever played a sport at a high level realizes that this is an absolute dead end.

Complete mismanagement all around.

I thought Cohen was a terrible hire when we hired him as AD.

[maroonmania]

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier plus Joe would have settled for much less in that case.

[Liverpooldawg]

wtf does this even mean, much less have ot do with the mans' points?

Moorhead took a top 15 team (finished '17 #17 and returned a ton = top 15) and went 8-5, now he took a 8-4 team and went 6-6, and we have zero reason to believe things will get better. Is that not "mediocre"? So if a person is fine with 6-6/7-5, that person is fine with mediocrity by definition.

Now if you believe Joe will turn it around and do better than 6-6/7-5 then keeping him makes sense. But you haven't said you think he'll do better, ye you're attacking everyone who isn't happy with a 6-6 coach. We aren't ok with mediocrity and we don't think Joe will do better than Mediocre based on what we've seen. Either convince us he will do better than mediocre, or convince us we should be happy with mediocre for the long term. Otherwise, it's rational to fire a mediocre coach

Where have you seen me defend Moorhead this year? You haven't. That isn't the only thing that you have to consider when firing a coach in his second year when he is not well below .500. It isn't as simple as y'all want it to be. If it was I wouldn't be arguing with you. All this public whining and bashing is just making it that much harder to get to where we want to go, no matter who the coach is. I wish y'all would cool off and let things play out the way they have to play out....but y'all won't. Y'all won't stop with the tantrums till you get your way, and then other people will have to try to undo the damage you have done, all while listing to y'all bitch about how long it's taking. Same old state.

[Liverpooldawg]

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier.

I posted this a while back. This board doesn't want to hear that. They still think I'm defending Joe.

[TrapGame]

Look, from everything we are hearing, this is much more about 6+ million dollars than the EB. But, I agree, that had we lost the EB coming up with 6+ million dollars would have been much easier.

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.

[dawgday166]

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.

I'm am 99% convinced he hates the place. There just ain't any parachute right now for him. What will be interesting is if he puts he head down, works his ass off, and produces a pretty good product next year. If he do that, everyone will love him again and then ... the parachute appears and he says FU on the way out.

[Liverpooldawg]

You don't know anything about me man. You're getting personal now. I never made it personal with you so take a hike with your bs

You brought up how you treat employees, not me. Like you said I know nothing about you. If you do what you said you did my cm,ent was I expect you have to pay really well. I never would have even commented on it if you hadn't brought it up first. If you don't want stuff commented in, don't bring it up. You put it in play yourself.

[Commercecomet24]

You brought up how you treat employees, not me. Like you said I know nothing about you. If you do what you said you did my cm,ent was I expect you have to pay really well. I never would have even commented on it if you hadn't brought it up first. If you don't want stuff commented in, don't bring it up. You put it in play yourself.

You came at me first calling my post dumb and insane. Take a hike

[TimberBeast]

I'm am 99% convinced he hates the place. There just ain't any parachute right now for him. What will be interesting is if he puts he head down, works his ass off, and produces a pretty good product next year. If he do that, everyone will love him again and then ... the parachute appears and he says FU on the way out.

I don’t think he can win everyone back without an exceptional season and we all know he just doesn’t have that in him. Croom wasn’t hated by as many fans as Moorhead is right now and that’s saying something.

[Liverpooldawg]

Okay, he's what I don't understand.

Does Joe Moorhead want out of Starkville? Did he accept a negotiated buyout before the EB to leave?

If the answer is "yes" then why are we keeping and extending a coach that was set to start packing his bags?

That makes ZERO sense.
He obviously had not. Somebody posted something they thought they knew. My guess is somebody they thought had good info told them that. This board, and others, took it an ran with it because they so wanted it to happen. Whoever put that out to begin with, and I don't think it actually originated with who first posted it, has done some real damage. Had it not got out who knows what might have happened.

[Liverpooldawg]

You came at me first calling my post dumb and insane. Take a hike

Don't bring it up if you don't want it talked about. You, and many others, have been doing the same thing to me. It's a message board I don't mind at all. I expect it. I know my take is not popular here. It doesn't bother me.

[Commercecomet24]

Don't bring it up if you don't want it talked about. You, and many others, have been doing the same thing to me. It's a message board I don't mind at all. I expect it. I know my take is not popular here. It doesn't bother me.

I have not said a single damn thing to you so drop that shit right now.I have not commented on one of your posts first. You came at me. I never attack anyone on here like you do. I'm here for discussions not personal attacks.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Where have you seen me defend Moorhead this year? You haven't. That isn't the only thing that you have to consider when firing a coach in his second year when he is not well below .500. It isn't as simple as y'all want it to be. If it was I wouldn't be arguing with you. All this public whining and bashing is just making it that much harder to get to where we want to go, no matter who the coach is. I wish y'all would cool off and let things play out the way they have to play out....but y'all won't. Y'all won't stop with the tantrums till you get your way, and then other people will have to try to undo the damage you have done, all while listing to y'all bitch about how long it's taking. Same old state.

Ahhh so NOW we're getting somewhere!

SO you believe that we can't fire a 6-6 coach in year 2. Why not? Do you believe we couldn't get a good coach to replace him if we did that? That's not true since we supposedly had Napier ready to sign a deal. Do you fear the national media's reaction? Why should we care?

I'm really not seing the problem with firing 6-6 Joe. If you have the money to do it, the AD and boosters who want to do it, and a new coach willing to take over, then yes, yes you can. Can you explain what's so complicated about this? Why we should fear some ESPN guys saying we didn't give Joe enough time? Why should we not be OK with Napier as a replacement?

[dawgday166]

I don’t think he can win everyone back without an exceptional season and we all know he just doesn’t have that in him. Croom wasn’t hated by as many fans as Moorhead is right now and that’s saying something.

You right about that. Not sure I've ever seen a coach as disliked at MSU as Moorhead is.

[TrapGame]

He obviously had not. Somebody posted something they thought they knew. My guess is somebody they thought had good info told them that. This board, and others, took it an ran with it because they so wanted it to happen. Whoever put that out to begin with, and I don't think it actually originated with who first posted it, has done some real damage. Had it not got out who knows what might have happened.

And you don't know shit either.

I want to know if Joe ******* Moorhead wanted out of Starkville. If we brought back a head coach who wanted to leave we deserve every bit of the shit that happens nect year.

[Liverpooldawg]

I have not a single damn thing to you so drop that shit right now.I have not commented on one of your posts first. You came at me. I never attack anyone on here like you do. I'm here for discussions not personal attacks.

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

[Liverpooldawg]

And you don't know shit either.

I want to know if Joe ******* Moorhead wanted out of Starkville. If we brought back a head coach who wanted to leave we deserve every bit of the shit that happens nect year.

Do you seriously think we were going to stop him if he was GOING to leave (there is a big difference between wanting to leave and actually really leaving) That really would be insane. You are absolutely correct about one thing, I don't KNOW anything. I think what I posted is a reasonable theory though. There may be a time when I might actually know a little something on this. If it ever happens I'll post it.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

So you're saying we can't fire a coach because some media people will say "who does State think they are, Bama?"???

WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA SAY???

I care about what happens ON THE FIELD! NOT in the SEC Nation for like 2 days before they move on. To say we should keep a worse than we can get HC because some media people will balk is insane. They don't cut checks. They don't get us W's. They don't put butts in seats. They don't recruit for us. They don't develop our players. They don't keep the bowl streak alive. THEY MEAN NOTHING

Why should Blue bloods get to fire a bad coach but we can't?

[BeardoMSU]

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

All of which makes you a great poster, CC.

[Liverpooldawg]

Ahhh so NOW we're getting somewhere!

SO you believe that we can't fire a 6-6 coach in year 2. Why not? Do you believe we couldn't get a good coach to replace him if we did that? That's not true since we supposedly had Napier ready to sign a deal. Do you fear the national media's reaction? Why should we care?

I'm really not seing the problem with firing 6-6 Joe. If you have the money to do it, the AD and boosters who want to do it, and a new coach willing to take over, then yes, yes you can. Can you explain what's so complicated about this? Why we should fear some ESPN guys saying we didn't give Joe enough time? Why should we not be OK with Napier as a replacement?

I have posted this repeatedly, I was told 5-6 weeks ago that we don't have the money and he would be back. It came from a pretty decent source who I will never name. The posts that said we had Napier lined up had other things in them that quite obviously were wrong. It's a strong possibility that that was too. I don't think (please notice I sad THINK, y'all tend to miss that) we had anything worked out at all. I think there may have been some contingency plan somewhere that somebody got wind of, drew some conclusions that were not wise ones, and they ran with it. Why they wanted to do it y'all can speculate on. I do THINK (there is that word again) that had we fired Joe after the Egg Bowl win we would have found it harder than we would have liked to get a decent replacement. After a loss, maybe not as much. All we can do is let it play out. I'm going to support MSU as best as I can no matter what. All theses tantrums and boycotts only hurt the program long term. They won't change much otherwise. What will happen is going to happen whether the stadium s full,or empt. If he turns it around, that s wonderful. If he doesn't we will be in a better position all the way around next year when it comes to buyouts and perception of the firing.

[Liverpooldawg]

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

Ok. Try to treat it like I do, I don't take it personally when people attack me personally here. If I did I would have left long ago. It's a message board. It's an anonymous place to vent. Personal really isn't personal.

[Liverpooldawg]

So you're saying we can't fire a coach because some media people will say "who does State think they are, Bama?"???

WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA SAY???

I care about what happens ON THE FIELD! NOT in the SEC Nation for like 2 days before they move on. To say we should keep a worse than we can get HC because some media people will balk is insane. They don't cut checks. They don't get us W's. They don't put butts in seats. They don't recruit for us. They don't develop our players. They don't keep the bowl streak alive. THEY MEAN NOTHING

Why should Blue bloods get to fire a bad coach but we can't?

Who said anything about media?

[Commercecomet24]

All of which makes you a great poster, CC.

Thanks man. I'm a pretty open minded easy going kinda guy but I'll scrap if I have too and I don't mind one bit lol.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok. Try to treat it like I do, I don't take it personally when people attack me personally here. If I did I would have left long ago. It's a message board. It's an anonymous place to vent. Personal really isn't personal.

Great but give me the same respect I give others try not to use the words "dumb" or "insane" when addressing people you'll have a better chance of people listening to you that way.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Who said anything about media?

You! Your exact quote is "Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to."

What does "raised eyebrows" refer to if not the media?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I have posted this repeatedly, I was told 5-6 weeks ago that we don't have the money and he would be back. It came from a pretty decent source who I will never name. The posts that said we had Napier lined up had other things in them that quite obviously were wrong. It's a strong possibility that that was too. I don't think (please notice I sad THINK, y'all tend to miss that) we had anything worked out at all. I think there may have been some contingency plan somewhere that somebody got wind of, drew some conclusions that were not wise ones, and they ran with it. Why they wanted to do it y'all can speculate on. I do THINK (there is that word again) that had we fired Joe after the Egg Bowl win we would have found it harder than we would have liked to get a decent replacement. After a loss, maybe not as much. All we can do is let it play out. I'm going to support MSU as best as I can no matter what. All theses tantrums and boycotts only hurt the program long term. They won't change much otherwise. What will happen is going to happen whether the stadium s full,or empt. If he turns it around, that s wonderful. If he doesn't we will be in a better position all the way around next year when it comes to buyouts and perception of the firing.

So you believe we should keep Joe because we can't get a decent replacement?

I understand going with your sources, but there's multiple different insiders here who say we had a "deal in place", and I find it hard to believe Napier wants to keep making $1M at ULL when he could make 3.5M in the SEC today. Again, Arky either isn't interested in him OR he felt we were a better landing spot and flirted with us, because he's not at Arky yet. There's no other SEC teams that will hire him this cycle.

I just don't think he'd go another year away from the SEC in the hope he gets another SEC offer, all because we fired a bad coach after 2 years instead of 3. Coaches are a cocky bunch too, so he probably feels pretty confident he can do better than 6-6 and not be competitive vs the big dogs, which is what it took for Joe to go in this situation

[Liverpooldawg]

Great but give me the same respect I give others try not to use the words "dumb" or "insane" when addressing people you'll have a better chance of people listening to you that way.

People throw them at me all the time here. I'm sorry if I had you confused with others. I just don't have a thin skin so it doesn't bother me. By the way, your partner in bashing me in this thread called me a 17in idiot. You can be guilty by association. Sorry.

[Liverpooldawg]

You! Your exact quote is "Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to."

What does "raised eyebrows" refer to if not the media?

Oh come on, potential replacements. That should be obvious.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh come on, potential replacements. That should be obvious.

I simply don't believe that a ULL coach that CONTACTED US ABUT THE POTENTIAL OPENING would be turned off because we fired a 6-6 coach, not a 5-7 one. And even then, $3.5M a year and the chance to go against Saban, O, Gus, and Jimbo talks.

Moreover, it seems like Arky isn't going to nab him. Is he really going to stay at ULL another year in the hopes that OM hired him then? Because if OM passed on him he'd be out of luck as far as the SEC goes that year and the next too.

[Commercecomet24]

People throw them at me all the time here. I'm sorry if I had you confused with others. I just don't have a thin skin so it doesn't bother me. By the way, your partner in bashing me in this thread called me a 17in idiot. You can be guilty by association. Sorry.

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

[Liverpooldawg]

I simply don't believe that a ULL coach that CONTACTED US ABUT THE POTENTIAL OPENING would be turned off because we fired a 6-6 coach, not a 5-7 one. And even then, $3.5M a year and the chance to go against Saban, O, Gus, and Jimbo talks.

Moreover, it seems like Arky isn't going to nab him. Is he really going to stay at ULL another year in the hopes that OM hired him then? Because if OM passed on him he'd be out of luck as far as the SEC goes that year and the next too.

Got a link on that? What y'all are trying to do is a remarkably short leash for a program of our heritage. It sucks, but it's the truth.

[Liverpooldawg]

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

It's just an explanation why I didn't take you for your word at first. I was in a combative mood because of that. Hopefully you can understand that.

[Coursesuper]

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

My goodness.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Got a link on that? What y'all are trying to do is a remarkably short leash for a program of our heritage. It sucks, but it's the truth.

I get you sticking with your own sources, but there's several posters on here (no I don't remember usernames) who said they had inside info that Napier was pushing for our job. So I'm going to go with the majority on that.

And again, you haven't countered my logic: WHy would he be turned off by our job if we fired a 6-6 coach vs 5-7? Or are you seriously saying that you want us to keep Moorhead even if we had lost the Egg?

And even then, you haven't said why he'd turn down a $3.5M SEC job to stay at a $1M Sun Belt job when there's very few SEC opportunities on his horizon. That doesn't make sense. Sure he might be wary we'd pull the trigger on him too fast, but again 1) Money talks, 2) his main priority is to ensure he GETS a shot at all in the SEC, and 3) Coaches think they'll succeed. Remember Moorhead saying he wanted to coach against Saban? I highly doubt in his head he meant "I want to get used as 2 minute drill practice at halftime". He was envisioning being competitive because he believed he would be competitive with Saban. Almost all coaches are like that

[War Machine Dawg]

Here's a common sense question: Why in hell would we give someone a contract with a buyout amount we couldn't pay at a moment's notice? That seems like total incompetence from a business perspective. You don't put yourself in a position where an employee can call your bluff based on money. If we did give Jughead a buyout we couldn't afford, the heads of Spineless Bastard AND Keenum should roll immediately.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Here's a common sense question: Why in hell would we give someone a contract with a buyout amount we couldn't pay at a moment's notice? That seems like total incompetence from a business perspective. You don't put yourself in a position where an employee can call your bluff based on money. If we did give Jughead a buyout we couldn't afford, the heads of Spineless Bastard AND Keenum should roll immediately.

I can understand it for a proven coach like Mullen to keep him more happy, BUT not for a guy like Moorhead. Nobody was trying to hire him after an 8-5 year with a team he didn't build. He had no other options and had proven nothing. So why give him the big buyout?

SC did the same with Muschamp. They have to give him another year because his buyout is $18M. WHY??? who is coming after Muschamp and is willing to pay more than SC?

I hear big buyouts are for recruiting, in that they show a coach is safe. 1) I find it hard to believe recruits care about that much since coaches on the hot seat like Gus or Les Miles the year before he was fired pull classes just as good as when nobody was talking about them being fired, 2) I find it hard ot believe recruits really care since often as not programs pay the massive buyouts anyway, and 3) I highly doubt tying yourself to a bad coach is with the potential extra 2-3 recruiting spots vs if you were able to fire him.

Recruiting is literally the only reason I've heard for the big buyouts in cases like Moorhead or Muschamp. Maybe there's something I'm missing and if so I'd love to hear it

[Liverpooldawg]

Here's a common sense question: Why in hell would we give someone a contract with a buyout amount we couldn't pay at a moment's notice? That seems like total incompetence from a business perspective. You don't put yourself in a position where an employee can call your bluff based on money. If we did give Jughead a buyout we couldn't afford, the heads of Spineless Bastard AND Keenum should roll immediately.

It doesn't work like that at nearly every program. Coaches want at least a little leeway. They certainly do here or they won't come, period. Y'all are still under the delusion that we are like Bama or have unlimited funds like A&M. We aren't and we don't.

[bobtail bob]

It doesn't work like that at nearly every program. Coaches want at least a little leeway. They certainly do here or they won't come, period. Y'all are still under the delusion that we are like Bama or have unlimited funds like A&M. We aren't and we don't.

Didn't jughead come here with no buyout for year one ?

[Liverpooldawg]

Don't ever complain about mediocrity then, especially when mediocrity is your measuring stick.

It's not the only one. It's the first hurdle that has to be cleared, always. Had we beat them in 14 we might have left them dead and buried for a while. We didn't.

[Liverpooldawg]

Didn't jughead come here with no buyout for year one ?

I think so. I think we would all agree that was highly unusual. He obviously thought he wouldn't fail. Now how he got a fully guaranteed contract after that might be worth looking at.

[Liverpooldawg]

I get you sticking with your own sources, but there's several posters on here (no I don't remember usernames) who said they had inside info that Napier was pushing for our job. So I'm going to go with the majority on that.

And again, you haven't countered my logic: WHy would he be turned off by our job if we fired a 6-6 coach vs 5-7? Or are you seriously saying that you want us to keep Moorhead even if we had lost the Egg?

And even then, you haven't said why he'd turn down a $3.5M SEC job to stay at a $1M Sun Belt job when there's very few SEC opportunities on his horizon. That doesn't make sense. Sure he might be wary we'd pull the trigger on him too fast, but again 1) Money talks, 2) his main priority is to ensure he GETS a shot at all in the SEC, and 3) Coaches think they'll succeed. Remember Moorhead saying he wanted to coach against Saban? I highly doubt in his head he meant "I want to get used as 2 minute drill practice at halftime". He was envisioning being competitive because he believed he would be competitive with Saban. Almost all coaches are like that

He might be turned off because he would absolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt he would only have two years. Only one before people like you turned on him. I hate to break it to you but most coaches that come here will be looking to move on to something bigger. They don't want to get fired after two years. If you are relying on "money talks" here, that is EXACTLY what you will get. I don't expect too many here to understand why that is not a good thing.

[bigplayslay]

Hahahahaha Commerce don't let that guy get to you. He is one of the least liked people on the whole board.

[Liverpooldawg]

Hahahahaha Commerce don't let that guy get to you. He is one of the least liked people on the whole board.

And proud of it!

[dawgs]

Did you notice I didn't say it was the only measuring stick? I doubt you did. The fact remains that you will never compete for anything much beyond the Egg if you don't win it way more than you lose it. You have to dominate the state first. We haven't really done it in nearly 100 years. The other thing I'll say in this one is I lived through much, much worse. I still appreciate not getting rolled by Maine. Your mindset is the same mindset we have had forever. You are advocating doing the same sad thing we have always done. You are looking for the messiah of football. It doesn't usually work that way.

This makes no ******* sense. To get better we have to regress as a program and keep the guy responsible for it?

[dawgs]

Where have you seen me defend Moorhead this year? You haven't. That isn't the only thing that you have to consider when firing a coach in his second year when he is not well below .500. It isn't as simple as y'all want it to be. If it was I wouldn't be arguing with you. All this public whining and bashing is just making it that much harder to get to where we want to go, no matter who the coach is. I wish y'all would cool off and let things play out the way they have to play out....but y'all won't. Y'all won't stop with the tantrums till you get your way, and then other people will have to try to undo the damage you have done, all while listing to y'all bitch about how long it's taking. Same old state.

This is the old CFB mindset. In 2019, things move faster with the influx of big time tv money. G5 guys understand why we'd fire joevester and they'd probably prefer coming into the roster next year than coming in after the talent gets worse and the program gets further away from winning. Much easier to take an underachieving group that finished 6-6 to 8+ Ws quickly than a full rebuild after a 4 W roster goes out and meets expectations.

[dawgs]

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

Ok, let's say you are a mom and pop company that makes modest sales and stays afloat. You go out and hire a new sales guy who blows past sales out of the water, allowing your company to grow and resets expectations. Eventually that guy gets poached away by a bigger corporation. That's fine it happens. So you go hire his replacement and sells drop. Maybe not to previous modest level but a significant drop from the peak. Do you keep the new guy cause you used to be a modest little mom and pop shop or do you try to find another guy who can maintain and maybe improve the peak sales?

[BeardoMSU]

It's not the only one. It's the first hurdle that has to be cleared, always. Had we beat them in 14 we might have left them dead and buried for a while. We didn't.

Actually, had we beaten Bama, we would've locked up the West...

[PMDawg]

I don't expect too many here to understand why that is not a good thing.[/QUOTE]

I would bet 6 figures that your IQ is in the bottom third of EliteDawgs regular posters.

[bobtail bob]

Best thing for MSU would be to take that 17in thing and drive to the square, throw it out with a note that says we don?t want this piece of shit anymore . Then forgets about it. As a Bulldog it doesn?t really really mean that much to me when we get the hell beat out of us by any team with a pulse. Until we set our sights on something bigger we will always be losers in football. It just weighs us down in the mud wallowing with a pig

[Homedawg]

Didn't jughead come here with no buyout for year one ?

No. That was inaccurate info. He's had a buyout since day one.

[MetEdDawg]

So with Matt Luke getting fired, does that mean their measuring stick is the Egg Bowl?

[Thick]

They’ve lost 7 of the last 11 Egg Bowls, so I’m sure that it plays a part but they need to get those season ticket sales up. This will do that

[dawgs]

So with Matt Luke getting fired, does that mean their measuring stick is the Egg Bowl?

It means Matt Luke was the only guy that'd take the job when they were on probation without a ridiculous contract and buyout, and why pay a ridiculous amount of $$ when no one was gonna win for a few years due to sanctions. Now they are past probation and ready to win again, luke has not proven to be an unexpected wunderkind, so time to spend the money to bring in someone better without the probation cloud hanging over them.