media smells blood in the water.....

[coastratdog]

I know it's a CL article but hard to argue with it.


https://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/college/mississippi-state/2019/11/17/mississippi-state-football-joe-moorhead-signs-regression-college-football/4217390002/

[MadDawg]

Auburn 56, Mississippi State 23.

LSU 36, Mississippi State 13.

Alabama 38, Mississippi State 7.

That's a combined score of 130-43

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

[Churchill]

Well this ought to help with recruiting **

[msstate7]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

We beat LSU 37-7 in 2017, and lost by 7 to bama. Why you lie?

[BrunswickDawg]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

You need to check that 2017 info - we were 1-2 against those 3, and were outscored 87-71

[Really Clark?]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

That’s not correct. Like MS7 said we beat LSU in 2017 (played them 23-20 in loss in 2016) and our point total against those 3 teams in 2017 was 87-71 against those teams in 2017. Way off. 31-24 tough loss to Bama in 2017 as well

[MadDawg]

Yeah I'm an idiot. I had the LSU game backwards in 2017. 2016 was right, but I'm still an idiot. Forgive me.

[msstate7]

Yeah I'm an idiot. I had the LSU game backwards in 2017. 2018 was right, but I'm still an idiot. Forgive me.

It happens

[sbt45]

Found it interesting that this am Bo Bounds more or less said he thinks we’d move on from Joe with an egg bowl loss. I don’t think that’s an original opinion from Bo. My guess is it’s second hand information from big pocket booster(s). Everything is a rumor right now, but I hope he’s right.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yeah I'm an idiot. I had the LSU game backwards in 2017. 2016 was right, but I'm still an idiot. Forgive me.

It's early on a Monday

[gtowndawg]

Found it interesting that this am Bo Bounds more or less said he thinks we’d move on from Joe with an egg bowl loss. I don’t think that’s an original opinion from Bo. My guess is it’s second hand information from big pocket booster(s). Everything is a rumor right now, but I hope he’s right.

If we lose Egg Bowl, there's no way he stays. There's just no way. The school would essentially be telling fans "don't bother coming to games or even paying attention to football next year." If we lose the Egg Bowl and he's back, MSU football will literally be a black hole next season. The fans will revolt and I think the school knows it.

[Cooterpoot]

These next two weeks you’re going to see and hear a lot about this kind of stuff.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah I'm an idiot. I had the LSU game backwards in 2017. 2016 was right, but I'm still an idiot. Forgive me.

No problem man. Happens to all of us

[Tbonewannabe]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

Mullen made it a game at least most of the time. The A&M game is a prime example of Moorhead not having a clue how to attack a SEC defense. A&M is pretty mediocre as far as a team goes but we weren't in the game after the first quarter. Mullen had those type of games but it was against 10-11 win teams. Moorhead is having those games against 6-8 win teams. Where we were winning the Ark, UK, and A&M games most of the time, now those are at best toss ups.

[ScoobaDawg]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

[Coursesuper]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

This isn't wrong.

[TrapGame]

Found it interesting that this am Bo Bounds more or less said he thinks we’d move on from Joe with an egg bowl loss. I don’t think that’s an original opinion from Bo. My guess is it’s second hand information from big pocket booster(s). Everything is a rumor right now, but I hope he’s right.

Bo said we were keeping him three weeks ago. Even called the fan base foolish for thinking we'd get rid of a coach in year two.


These next two weeks you’re going to see and hear a lot about this kind of stuff.

Laying the ground work for a near certain separation I assume.


And isn't still strange the Rutgers job is still vacant? But that fits into my own conspiracy theory.

[Johnson85]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

It's not about winning the egg. It's about firing a coach coming off two straight bowl games. We have had a soft as baby shit schedule this year as far as getting to 6 wins, so it probably shouldn't matter as much as it does. But perception matters.

[PMDawg]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

Agree, but it's probably a moot point. Plumlee is going to destroy our "defense" unless Gay and Autry go nuts.

[TrapGame]

It's not about winning the egg. It's about firing a coach coming off two straight bowl games. We have had a soft as baby shit schedule this year as far as getting to 6 wins, so it probably shouldn't matter as much as it does. But perception matters.

The perception is Moorhead walked into a stacked cupboard on a firm foundation. Two years later and he's rebuilding the program. He's in way over his head. This ain't the Patriot League.

[Tbonewannabe]

It's not about winning the egg. It's about firing a coach coming off two straight bowl games. We have had a soft as baby shit schedule this year as far as getting to 6 wins, so it probably shouldn't matter as much as it does. But perception matters.

Perception only matters if 1) we don't have a coach lined up 2) that coach then bombs. It would be a lot harder to fire the next guy if he is just winning 6 games and getting to bowls.

Now if we fire Joe after winning the Egg Bowl and then can't get guys to interview because of our "unrealistic expectations" that is a problem. It could lead to us overpaying to get someone similar to UM paying $1Mil for McGriff as a DC.

Bottom line is that we might have to sell the shitty job Moorhead has done to perspective coaches. We offer $4 Mil to Napier then he is probably coming unless he has a better offer.

[Coursesuper]

Perception only matters if 1) we don't have a coach lined up 2) that coach then bombs. It would be a lot harder to fire the next guy if he is just winning 6 games and getting to bowls.

Now if we fire Joe after winning the Egg Bowl and then can't get guys to interview because of our "unrealistic expectations" that is a problem. It could lead to us overpaying to get someone similar to UM paying $1Mil for McGriff as a DC.

Bottom line is that we might have to sell the shitty job Moorhead has done to perspective coaches. We offer $4 Mil to Napier then he is probably coming unless he has a better offer.

Good points, I certainly hope that the current administration has had the foresight to gauge the interest of prospective coaches thru their agents by this point. If not, that just as bad as it gets.

[Tbonewannabe]

Good points, I certainly hope that the current administration has had the foresight to gauge the interest of prospective coaches thru their agents by this point. If not, that just as bad as it gets.

Yep, we need the efficiency that Cohen had last time but hire a quality coach this time around. We need wins on the field rather than the press conference.

[TNDawg35]

We’re not firing Joe guys... There is a reason a certain job is still open even tho the guy they supposedly wanted is sitting at home eating Cheetos and watching The office reruns...

[ShotgunDawg]

what happens if we win the Egg Bowl, but then get beat handily in the bowl game?

[Coursesuper]

what happens if we win the Egg Bowl, but then get beat handily in the bowl game?

Rinse and repeat.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I am usually a "glass is half full" type of person, but I have seen about all I need to see. A loss in the Egg Bowl will about seal the deal for me.

[ScoobaDawg]

Perception only matters if 1) we don't have a coach lined up 2) that coach then bombs. It would be a lot harder to fire the next guy if he is just winning 6 games and getting to bowls.

Now if we fire Joe after winning the Egg Bowl and then can't get guys to interview because of our "unrealistic expectations" that is a problem. It could lead to us overpaying to get someone similar to UM paying $1Mil for McGriff as a DC.

Bottom line is that we might have to sell the shitty job Moorhead has done to perspective coaches. We offer $4 Mil to Napier then he is probably coming unless he has a better offer.


Two things there. You are exactly right. We HAVE to have someone lined up already if we are pulling the switch. With so many players signing early now in Dec. You don't want to be looking for a head coach then.
Next. Napier. or whoever that's the point. We can pay with the top 25 jobs in the land. Dan proved you can win at MSU. We jsut have to make the right hire..and it shouldn't be another coordinator.

[ScoobaDawg]

what happens if we win the Egg Bowl.

FIFY
Joe get's fired.

That's the only solution that will work for us long term.

[Coursesuper]

Two things there. You are exactly right. We HAVE to have someone lined up already if we are pulling the switch. With so many players signing early now in Dec. You don't want to be looking for a head coach then.
Next. Napier. or whoever that's the point. We can pay with the top 25 jobs in the land. Dan proved you can win at MSU. We jsut have to make the right hire..and it shouldn't be another coordinator.

If there is not a replacement already in place before the trigger is pulled then we are negligent in the worst way. That would reek of infighting and unbelievable stubbornness.

[trojandawg]

he has made quick work of a lot of defenses this year and our defense even with Gay and Autry and Murphy back is not even in the top 10 defenses in the league this year.

[msstatelp1]

Perception only matters if 1) we don't have a coach lined up 2) that coach then bombs. It would be a lot harder to fire the next guy if he is just winning 6 games and getting to bowls.

Now if we fire Joe after winning the Egg Bowl and then can't get guys to interview because of our "unrealistic expectations" that is a problem. It could lead to us overpaying to get someone similar to UM paying $1Mil for McGriff as a DC.

Bottom line is that we might have to sell the shitty job Moorhead has done to perspective coaches. We offer $4 Mil to Napier then he is probably coming unless he has a better offer.

I think the shitty job perception is already out there. Any coach worth having can see where we were in 2017 and where we are now. Mullen proved that a coach can be successful here and stay as long as he wants or can move on to a more prestigious program if he wants.

[Indndawg]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

nope

[DownwardDawg]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

I agree 100%, and I was a Moorehead supporter. We?ve seen all we need to see. He can?t get it done here. Beating a sorry ole miss team does nothing to change that fact.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think the shitty job perception is already out there. Any coach worth having can see where we were in 2017 and where we are now. Mullen proved that a coach can be successful here and stay as long as he wants or can move on to a more prestigious program if he wants.

This is key. Mullen proved that we can compete despite preconceived notions about MSU. Last year being underwhelming could be a real blessing too if we sell it right - "Look Coach X, last year we had the greatest running QB in SEC history, 2 NFL OL (probably 3 with Williams), the 2019 SEC rushing Leader, a TE on an NFL IR, 3 1st rounders on D, 2 defenders on practice squads, and a Safety who is on IR. All that NFL talent and Moorhead went 8-5. It ain't us - it was him."

[HoopsDawg]

We beat LSU 37-7 in 2017, and lost by 7 to bama. Why you lie?

lol, he was so excited when he added those numbers up.

[Tbonewannabe]

I think the shitty job perception is already out there. Any coach worth having can see where we were in 2017 and where we are now. Mullen proved that a coach can be successful here and stay as long as he wants or can move on to a more prestigious program if he wants.

While making $4-6 Mil per year.

[Tbonewannabe]

I agree 100%, and I was a Moorehead supporter. We?ve seen all we need to see. He can?t get it done here. Beating a sorry ole miss team does nothing to change that fact.

I was also a Moorhead supporter until the UT game. I don't think there is actually a single Moorhead supporter left. There are plenty of people that think we won't fire him or can't afford it and that is the extent of the people that think he should be the coach next year.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

'We’re not firing Joe guys... There is a reason a certain job is still open even tho the guy they supposedly wanted is sitting at home eating Cheetos and watching The office reruns...'

Think I'm picking up what you're putting down.

[TrapGame]

We’re not firing Joe guys... There is a reason a certain job is still open even tho the guy they supposedly wanted is sitting at home eating Cheetos and watching The office reruns...

Yep.

I will not be surprised when it's announced on Friday morning whether we win the EB or not that Moorhead has been named the new head coach at Rutgers. This makes both sides look good. He wanted to move on and so did we.

[Really Clark?]

I was also a Moorhead supporter until the UT game. I don't think there is actually a single Moorhead supporter left. There are plenty of people that think we won't fire him or can't afford it and that is the extent of the people that think he should be the coach next year.

Well except the double naught guy that got banned. I think he is selling Moorehead on SPS now

[Coursesuper]

Well except the double naught guy that got banned. I think he is selling Moorehead on SPS now

That one is in a class by itself.

[Tbonewannabe]

Well except the double naught guy that got banned. I think he is selling Moorehead on SPS now

That guy was completely off the reservation though. There is only so long before you say that something happening repeatedly is an actual pattern. I will admit that I believed that Fitz just wasn't a fit for his offense and it would look different this year. Then you had people raving about Tommy throwing the ball and it was just reinforcing that the offense would finally look like he wanted it to. Now the few people that think that maybe it is on the WRs is just continuing to bury their head in the sand. If the offense requires NFL players then it wouldn't matter what kind of offense you run, it would be badass vs college players.

The fact is, Joe's offense is just too slow and possibly complicated to work on the speed that is the SEC defense. It might be badass when you have 4-6 seconds in the pocket every play and have a NFL RB but that isn't the case most of the time at MSU in SEC games. He is just a bad fit for us.

[Bothrops]

Joe will NOT be fired if he wins the Eggbowl.

[Really Clark?]

That one is in a class by itself.

Too true

[Really Clark?]

That guy was completely off the reservation though. There is only so long before you say that something happening repeatedly is an actual pattern. I will admit that I believed that Fitz just wasn't a fit for his offense and it would look different this year. Then you had people raving about Tommy throwing the ball and it was just reinforcing that the offense would finally look like he wanted it to. Now the few people that think that maybe it is on the WRs is just continuing to bury their head in the sand. If the offense requires NFL players then it wouldn't matter what kind of offense you run, it would be badass vs college players.

The fact is, Joe's offense is just too slow and possibly complicated to work on the speed that is the SEC defense. It might be badass when you have 4-6 seconds in the pocket every play and have a NFL RB but that isn't the case most of the time at MSU in SEC games. He is just a bad fit for us.

Off the reservation, off the charts, just completely off

[Dawgology]

I don't give a damn if we win the Egg. Joe has to go. I hate that damned small mindness of Oh.. He won the egg. So all is well. That's chickensh*t. Hell UM doesn't want to keep Luke so why should we celebrate beating a coach that may not be there next year.

I would like for us to continue the bowl streak but Screw having Joe around for it.

I don't think you will have to worry about that. They will win by 13+

[Dawgology]

That guy was completely off the reservation though. There is only so long before you say that something happening repeatedly is an actual pattern. I will admit that I believed that Fitz just wasn't a fit for his offense and it would look different this year. Then you had people raving about Tommy throwing the ball and it was just reinforcing that the offense would finally look like he wanted it to. Now the few people that think that maybe it is on the WRs is just continuing to bury their head in the sand. If the offense requires NFL players then it wouldn't matter what kind of offense you run, it would be badass vs college players.

The fact is, Joe's offense is just too slow and possibly complicated to work on the speed that is the SEC defense. It might be badass when you have 4-6 seconds in the pocket every play and have a NFL RB but that isn't the case most of the time at MSU in SEC games. He is just a bad fit for us.

This exactly. I mean, with 30 5-star players any offense would work well. A coach at MSU has to know to adapt their offense to what they have not what they wish they had.

[OLJWales]

I think the shitty job perception is already out there. Any coach worth having can see where we were in 2017 and where we are now. Mullen proved that a coach can be successful here and stay as long as he wants or can move on to a more prestigious program if he wants.

Yep. Folks have to admit, at least for NOW, we are still in the "post Mullen " era and must do everything we can to avoid going back to the "pre- Mullen " era. We simply don't have to take this shit anymore as of now.

If I were a hot HC item, I'd take our gig over Tennessee or Arkansas and that's not just maroon colored glasses I'm looking thru. Top 25 classes with most of the recruits within short driving distance
have become a mainstay here and you don't have the pressure of having to be in the natty hunt every year while pocketing $4M + annually.

[dawgday166]

Mullen's last season, when we finished 9-4, we lost to these three teams 117-41. Is that really that much better? The year before that Mullen lost to these teams 112-37. I mean, seriously, perspective?

We didn't lose to LSU Mullen's last season. We blew them out. We lost to GA, the SEC Champ. We lost to AU the SEC W Champ and Bama Natty Champ. That GA D was far better than most any D in CFB this year ... and it's not that close. Clemson or OSU may be close. That AU D is probably on a par with a top 5 D this year. No one in SEC has a D which is close to the 2017 GA or AU Ds.