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Coursesuper

11-10-2019, 04:36 PM

There is push to make a run at him according to my Ark connection. Same guy that told me Morris was gone late yesterday afternoon. We shall see, but he feels Jerry Jones will have final say so. They have $$ issues with paying two buyout right now.

TrapGame

11-10-2019, 04:41 PM

Gus probably said no through his agent and Freeze is blowing up phones since Saturday night. I think they backed off Norvell 2 yrs ago and may not want to go back down that road.

Leroy Jenkins

11-10-2019, 04:43 PM

If SaBear couldn't get him hired in the SEC as a consultant I don't know how anyone can get him in as a HC; but, they say time heals all wounds. Also, Arkansas is not a big enough name for the NCAA to look the other way when it comes to questionable recruiting practices. I would be very surprised.

DogsofAnarchy

11-10-2019, 04:45 PM

Gus probably said no through his agent and Freeze is blowing up phones since Saturday night. I think they backed off Norvell 2 yrs ago and may not want to go back down that road.

No body has backed off Norvell. Norvell is going to get a big job then some you will say...”Ohhhh, but I heard....” Hahahaha

parabrave

11-10-2019, 04:48 PM

Well with the pay to play coming soon Freeze will be able to go nuts in Texas. Can you imagine going to every 5 star recruit and telling them their likeness$$$$$$$ will be in every Wal Mart in then nation.

Mjoelner34

11-10-2019, 05:45 PM

If Freeze gets a massage at UPIG, will it be a dry rub?

msstate7

11-10-2019, 05:47 PM

We don't want ark getting freeze

bobtail bob

11-10-2019, 05:49 PM

There was more to his time in Oxford than a few whores numbers on his phone, the NCAA knows what was really going on and theSEC knows also. Part of the back room agreement was to to get gone and he stay gone. He will not coach again in the SEC until his face is as wrinkled as a old baseball glove, if then

Cooterpoot

11-10-2019, 05:52 PM

We don't want ark getting freeze

They aren’t.

msstate7

11-10-2019, 05:57 PM

They aren’t.

Good

Coursesuper

11-10-2019, 06:00 PM

He’s also getting word that Fritz, Sarkisian and Norvell’s people have been approached. These guys people were contacted last week after we beat them down. There is another but he can’t tie that name down, isn’t a head coach. That’s all he knows now. This will be an interesting search to watch.

Matt3467

11-10-2019, 06:04 PM

Cooterpoot

11-10-2019, 06:06 PM

I mean, Freeze wasn’t good when he couldn’t cheat. It’s not like he’s some great coach.

Coursesuper

11-10-2019, 06:10 PM

I mean, Freeze wasn?t good when he couldn?t cheat. It?s not like he?s some great coach.

I agree, he feels like they are loosing their minds up there. Don?t get me wrong he wanted Morris gone and what was going on in the locker room was a joke and it translated to the field with drastic results.

Bubb Rubb

11-10-2019, 06:11 PM

Coursesuper

11-10-2019, 06:15 PM

Houston Nutt has a better chance of getting that job than Hugh Freeze.

Agree, I find it way out there but that’s where they are. And this guy hasn’t been wrong yet.

msstate7

11-10-2019, 06:19 PM

I mean, Freeze wasn’t good when he couldn’t cheat. It’s not like he’s some great coach.

Om was immediately better his first year. Besides, how good you think freeze is or isn't, he's a hell of a lot better than Moorhead

DeltaChicagoDog

11-10-2019, 06:26 PM

Didn’t Freeze also do well at Lambuth and Arkansas State? Hookers or no, the dude can coach.

Matt3467

11-10-2019, 06:26 PM

I mean, Freeze wasn’t good when he couldn’t cheat. It’s not like he’s some great coach.

I doubt he was cheating at Ark State or even now at Liberty. He's a good coach. Cheat or not you still need to be able to coach to produce results or you can have all the talent in the world and underperform. Also to be fair Ole Miss isn't the only one that cheats. They just were thrown under the bus because no one can beat Saban two years in a row (almost 3) and get away with it.

Matt3467

11-10-2019, 06:27 PM

Didn’t Freeze also do well at Lambuth and Arkansas State? Hookers or no, the dude can coach.

Yea. I lived in Jackson TN for a while and knew some of the players he coached. They raved about him. He had lambuth playing good.

Really Clark?

11-10-2019, 06:48 PM

I doubt he was cheating at Ark State or even now at Liberty. He's a good coach. Cheat or not you still need to be able to coach to produce results or you can have all the talent in the world and underperform. Also to be fair Ole Miss isn't the only one that cheats. They just were thrown under the bus because no one can beat Saban two years in a row (almost 3) and get away with it.

He did well at ARK ST but that tempo and type of offense was new to college football. But they had an immediate turn around. He is not doing any better than Turner Gill did last year and they have not beat anyone to be 6-4. And they will have 4 wins over New Mexico St (winless) for 2 seasons. Their offense is about the same (9 spots lower than last year) in scoring.

Cooterpoot

11-10-2019, 06:53 PM

I doubt he was cheating at Ark State or even now at Liberty. He's a good coach. Cheat or not you still need to be able to coach to produce results or you can have all the talent in the world and underperform. Also to be fair Ole Miss isn't the only one that cheats. They just were thrown under the bus because no one can beat Saban two years in a row (almost 3) and get away with it.
And Blake Anderson is doing just fine there too. He?s done nothing at Liberty. OM getting NCAA attention had nothing to do with AL. OM had to hire Luke to ride out the damage he did there. Maybe he can preach at your church since you think so highly of him.
People aren’t lining up to hire him.

Leroy Jenkins

11-10-2019, 07:12 PM

Does anyone here saying Freeze will never coach in the SEC again have an actual Ncaa contact that can confirm this or is this just something people are saying because it sounds good? The guy is coaching right now so how can he coach in one conference and not the other? Is this an SEC office stance and if so can anyone confirm? Freeze is too good of a coach to not end up with a big school at some point. Whether or not that's in the SEC is TBD but if someone has hard info on that never happening please share.

You are not going to find that "officially" anywhere. However, if Saban wanted him as a consultant and was not able to get the SEC office on board that's pretty much is all the proof I need.

Todd4State

11-10-2019, 07:27 PM

You are not going to find that "officially" anywhere. However, if Saban wanted him as a consultant and was not able to get the SEC office on board that's pretty much is all the proof I need.

That’s the main reason why I don’t think we’ll see Freeze back in the SEC at least as long as Sankey is the commissioner. Really there is a lot of liability for any SEC school if he gets caught with hookers again. Which is distinctly possible.

Coursesuper

11-10-2019, 07:41 PM

That’s the main reason why I don’t think we’ll see Freeze back in the SEC at least as long as Sankey is the commissioner. Really there is a lot of liability for any SEC school if he gets caught with hookers again. Which is distinctly possible.

Hookers for him are the least of what they know about and are keeping it buried, the bad PR for the conference would be nuclear. Hugh Freezus one of the slimmest bastards walking the earth today and he hides it all behind a religious acting job.

lastmajordog

11-10-2019, 08:34 PM

Freeze was smart enough to know you don?t out muscle Bama.....get stud receivers and and quick throw offense. I don?t know if ARKY has a #network but what he did at om is incredible, cheating or not.....

Ari Gold

11-10-2019, 08:44 PM

OLJWales

11-10-2019, 08:47 PM

Since Freezus is a Yes Man, he will fit in perfectly with Jerugh.

viverlibre

11-10-2019, 09:20 PM

Does anyone here saying Freeze will never coach in the SEC again have an actual Ncaa contact that can confirm this or is this just something people are saying because it sounds good? The guy is coaching right now so how can he coach in one conference and not the other? Is this an SEC office stance and if so can anyone confirm? Freeze is too good of a coach to not end up with a big school at some point. Whether or not that's in the SEC is TBD but if someone has hard info on that never happening please share.

The number of people on this or any message board who have contacts at NCAA, SEC or even their team's Athletic Department is 0. The very few people who do have inside knowledge from the Atheclic Department ain't posting or talking about it. It's all supposition.

Matt3467

11-10-2019, 09:55 PM

Hookers for him are the least of what they know about and are keeping it buried, the bad PR for the conference would be nuclear. Hugh Freezus one of the slimmest bastards walking the earth today and he hides it all behind a religious acting job.

Hookers, cars, jobs, money yea I know all that's true. I know other schools do it too. I know for a fact one of our big recruits was set up at a hotel on one of his OM visits and "white" women were sent to his room, but what else was he doing that could be worse than that? Was he pimping? I see other people hinting at other stuff going on that was worse but how do they know that and it's hard to envision anything worse.

timotheus

11-10-2019, 10:03 PM

They guy who drove said athlete to Oxford was offered the same services but he declined. I too doubt that Hugh will ever work in the SEC. It may take several years but I do think he'll get a HC job at a bigger program.

DogsofAnarchy

11-10-2019, 10:23 PM

Does anyone here saying Freeze will never coach in the SEC again have an actual Ncaa contact that can confirm this or is this just something people are saying because it sounds good? The guy is coaching right now so how can he coach in one conference and not the other? Is this an SEC office stance and if so can anyone confirm? Freeze is too good of a coach to not end up with a big school at some point. Whether or not that's in the SEC is TBD but if someone has hard info on that never happening please share.

It’s something that sounds good. These people don’t know shit about who is gonna coach in the SEC.

DogsofAnarchy

11-10-2019, 10:27 PM

That’s the main reason why I don’t think we’ll see Freeze back in the SEC at least as long as Sankey is the commissioner. Really there is a lot of liability for any SEC school if he gets caught with hookers again. Which is distinctly possible.

Did Hugh Freeze get a show cause? Was Hugh Freeze found guilty of breaking ANY rules? If your answer is NO. Then he is more than eligible to coach again in the SEC and though some of you love COMMUNISM, he would have recourse to sue if he found out the SEC was keeping him from being gainfully employed.

DogsofAnarchy

11-10-2019, 10:30 PM

That’s the main reason why I don’t think we’ll see Freeze back in the SEC at least as long as Sankey is the commissioner. Really there is a lot of liability for any SEC school if he gets caught with hookers again. Which is distinctly possible.

Mind you, I’m not taking up for the slim ball Freeze. I’m just telling some of you that you are delusional about who will be coaching in the SEC and when they will be.

Really Clark?

11-10-2019, 10:36 PM

Did Hugh Freeze get a show cause? Was Hugh Freeze found guilty of breaking ANY rules? If your answer is NO. Then he is more than eligible to coach again in the SEC and though some of you love COMMUNISM, he would have recourse to sue if he found out the SEC was keeping him from being gainfully employed.

He did get a show cause. What we do know is that Saban and Bama were set to hire Freeze and were told no by the league. It was reported multiple times and is a part of the bylaw with commissioners oversight on coaching hires.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/hugh-freeze-alabama-nick-saban/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/alabamafootball/2018/06/dont_expect_changes_to_rule_th.html%3foutputType=a mp

Matt3467

11-10-2019, 10:43 PM

He did get a show cause. What we do know is that Saban and Bama were set to hire Freeze and were told no by the league. It was reported multiple times and is a part of the bylaw with commissioners oversight on coaching hires.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/hugh-freeze-alabama-nick-saban/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/alabamafootball/2018/06/dont_expect_changes_to_rule_th.html%3foutputType=a mp

Is OM still under some of the penalties? The way it reads sounds like Sankey didn't want him coaching in the SEC while OM was under the then current penalties of his staff. If the penalties are over then he could be back in the SEC.

DogsofAnarchy

11-10-2019, 11:03 PM

He did get a show cause. What we do know is that Saban and Bama were set to hire Freeze and were told no by the league. It was reported multiple times and is a part of the bylaw with commissioners oversight on coaching hires.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/hugh-freeze-alabama-nick-saban/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.al.com/alabamafootball/2018/06/dont_expect_changes_to_rule_th.html%3foutputType=a mp

Saturday Down South and Talty? And are you sure Freeze got a show cause? Because I’m not sure he did. Maybe you better check that out.

Todd4State

11-10-2019, 11:43 PM

Hookers, cars, jobs, money yea I know all that's true. I know other schools do it too. I know for a fact one of our big recruits was set up at a hotel on one of his OM visits and "white" women were sent to his room, but what else was he doing that could be worse than that? Was he pimping? I see other people hinting at other stuff going on that was worse but how do they know that and it's hard to envision anything worse.

Freeze takes things to a different level- and then adds the Christian element on top of it. It's pretty disgusting honestly.

Do coaches cheat on their wives? Yes- some of them do. I doubt very many use escorts or do things that could legitimately land you in jail.

As far as the recruiting I would imagine that most coaches know that it goes on but allow the boosters to take care of the details with that and have very little active involvement in it. Freeze and their entire coaching staff were a major part of the Network machine. It's why Ole Miss is extremely limited to who they can hire- because to coach there you have to play by the Network rules. Or you have to have a very strong connection to Archie Manning and be hand picked to coach his son/grandson- and then you'll be fired one year removed from their graduation if you don't play by the Network rules.

Did Hugh Freeze get a show cause? Was Hugh Freeze found guilty of breaking ANY rules? If your answer is NO. Then he is more than eligible to coach again in the SEC and though some of you love COMMUNISM, he would have recourse to sue if he found out the SEC was keeping him from being gainfully employed.

The NCAA suspended him. And the fact that Sankey won't let him sit in an office in Saban's rogue gallery of ex coaches pretty much tells me that he's not going to be able to coach in the SEC again while Sankey is the commissioner and probably never will again.

I highly doubt he will sue them even if he knew about it if he's smart. Being over a SEC program that ended up on probation and then being fired for solicited prostitutes would be reasonable cause for not allowing someone back. If I were Freeze I wouldn't bother with it even if it's true. He has made millions, probably will make more millions at Liberty, and would basically be wasting money on legal fees to essentially save face. Which would probably turn up a LOT of other things he doesn't want brought up in the process. Things that would potentially keep him from coaching pretty much anywhere else ever again. Sometimes after a firing it's best to let sleeping dogs lie and just move on even if the person fired feels like it's wrong.

So him going to Arkansas or anywhere else is extremely unlikely at this time.

Really Clark?

11-11-2019, 12:05 AM

Saturday Down South and Talty? And are you sure Freeze got a show cause? Because I’m not sure he did. Maybe you better check that out.

He got a 1 year show cause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/12/01/ncaa-hits-ole-miss-with-additional-one-year-bowl-ban-hugh-freeze-with-suspension/%3foutputType=amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.daytondailynews.com/sports/college/report-hugh-freeze-given-one-year-show-cause-penalty-head-coach-could-coordinator-immediately/PBE8ywhGkWZTEBxQPk5VLI/amp.html

And here is further reporting on Freeze not being allowed to coach in the SEC

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/sports/report-sec-blocked-alabama-from-hiring-hugh-freeze-offensive-coordinator/XOVZAue2ZJVga9i8NBdlTN/amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/527794002

Any questions?

Bothrops

11-11-2019, 12:34 AM

Todd4State

11-11-2019, 12:57 AM

Cant see Freeze at Arky. Question is, would Freeze get in trouble again in the SEC? I'm sure he would fall into his old habits again, but I doubt the NCAA would want the burden of proof on their doorstep again.

Probably. It would be worse than when we had Sherrill. And I could totally see the NCAA nuking Arkansas.

Cooterpoot

11-11-2019, 05:31 AM

Saturday Down South and Talty? And are you sure Freeze got a show cause? Because I?m not sure he did. Maybe you better check that out.

He got a show cause. You here questioning people?s knowledge and you didn?t even know he got a show cause? SMH

Leroy Jenkins

11-11-2019, 06:49 AM

It?s something that sounds good. These people don?t know shit about who is gonna coach in the SEC.

3:00 minutes in.....

https://youtu.be/tlDXMAM-crU

gtowndawg

11-11-2019, 11:13 AM

I'm pretty confident the show cause ended just a few days before Liberty hired him. I remember thinking the timing was interesting.

edited: for those that don't follow Liberty (I do), they have their greatest QB and greatest receiver (just invited to the senior bowl) in the history of Liberty football and they are still no better than they were under Turner Gill. He was brought in with a full cupboard and has only beaten terrible teams. Gill was 6-6 last yer, Freeze will be 7-5 this year with a stocked team back. I don't think it's what they envisioned. They will end up in some small bowl though which to the outside world will seem impressive since it will be the first. I can see him trying to parlay that into something else. We will see.

BulldogBear

11-11-2019, 02:12 PM

LOL at all of you that still think the hookers were for Freeze.

OLJWales

11-11-2019, 02:23 PM

LOL at all of you that still think the hookers were for Freeze.

yep.

gtowndawg

11-11-2019, 02:32 PM

I went back and checked and I was correct in that Liberty hired him literally days after his personal "situation" ended (show cause, suspension, whatever it would be called in this case I'm not sure to be honest). But the bottom line, if he was hired before Nov. 30, 2018 he would not be able to coach for the first couple of games. He was hired a few days after that was lifted.

"Mississippi had imposed a one-year postseason ban in football during Freeze?s tenure after the National College Athletic Association found boosters had arranged impermissible benefits, including cash payments, and more for players. The bowl ban was extended to two seasons. Freeze received a two-game suspension he would have needed to serve if he had been hired before Nov. 30."

RocketDawg

11-11-2019, 04:00 PM

He got a show cause. You here questioning people?s knowledge and you didn?t even know he got a show cause? SMH

I wasn't aware that Freeze got a show cause. In fact, I seem to remember there were a lot of people totally surprised that he did not.

Cooterpoot

11-11-2019, 04:49 PM

I wasn't aware that Freeze got a show cause. In fact, I seem to remember there were a lot of people totally surprised that he did not.

Well, those folks missed it too I guess. He got a one year show cause.

Cowbell

11-11-2019, 05:34 PM

I get not liking freeze, but some of you need to take off the maroon shades. The man can coach. I’m with 7 on this.

State82

11-11-2019, 05:44 PM

LOL at all of you that still think the hookers were for Freeze.

Exactly

IMissJack

11-11-2019, 05:44 PM

Clint Stoerner, former AR QB does a radio show here in Houston, and he said today, he thought Mike Leach would be a fit, and gave several reasons why.

DeltaChicagoDog

11-11-2019, 06:46 PM

'Clint Stoerner, former AR QB does a radio show here in Houston, and he said today, he thought Mike Leach would be a fit, and gave several reasons why.'

Were the reasons sound, what'd he say?

StarkVegasSteve

11-12-2019, 01:34 PM

Clint Stoerner, former AR QB does a radio show here in Houston, and he said today, he thought Mike Leach would be a fit, and gave several reasons why.

Mike Leach, who has stated on multiple occasions he hates defense......please let them hire him. They might score 70 ,but they'll allow 90.

TrapGame

11-12-2019, 01:42 PM

Saw an Ark fan on FB sharing a tweet from Arkansas sports writer that it's Mike Norvell more than likely.

WPS

11-12-2019, 01:48 PM

Mike Leach, who has stated on multiple occasions he hates defense......please let them hire him. They might score 70 ,but they'll allow 90.

Well so did Petrino. Only way our defense could really get worse from where it currently is, is if we were playing with 10 players.

Leach wouldn't be one of my top choices though but it would be entertaining. Can't see Jefferson fitting in his offense.

Really Clark?

11-12-2019, 02:00 PM

Well so did Petrino. Only way our defense could really get worse from where it currently is, is if we were playing with 10 players.

Leach wouldn't be one of my top choices though but it would be entertaining. Can't see Jefferson fitting in his offense.

Petrino didn?t have great defenses by any stretch but his last three years at Arkansas they went from 58th to 47th to 33rd nationally in scoring defenses. I will say that Leach with Grinch as DC was just a little below that but all other years at WST Leach defenses were about 100 or below in scoring rankings.

ckDOG

11-12-2019, 02:00 PM

Saw an Ark fan on FB sharing a tweet from Arkansas sports writer that it's Mike Norvell more than likely.

Would be a bad move for Norvell unless Arkansas gives him a stupid amount of money. Stay at Memphis, get a raise and push 4M a year with low expectations. Continue to overachieve until a program with championship potential is ready to pay you. Yes, that eliminates us too, but Norvell is quickly putting his name up there where he won?t need to mess with mid tier P5 schools if he is patient.

Matt3467

11-12-2019, 02:07 PM

Read this earlier. Betters give Hugh Freeze 8/1 odds of being the next coach at Arkansas

https://www.aseaofred.com/hugh-freeze-given-8-1-odds-to-be-arkansas-next-head-coach/

Leroy Jenkins

11-12-2019, 02:15 PM

Read this earlier. Betters give Hugh Freeze 8/1 odds of being the next coach at Arkansas

https://www.aseaofred.com/hugh-freeze-given-8-1-odds-to-be-arkansas-next-head-coach/

I'll save you the click.

"
BetOnline has given Freeze 8/1 odds of being the next Arkansas head coach. Liberty’s first-year head coach has the 7th best odds of being the next coach, behind favorite Mike Norvell, currently the head coach at Memphis who has 2/1 odds.

Others listed are Appalachian State’s Eliah Drinkwitz (3/1), FAU’s Lane Kiffin (4/1), UAB’s Bill Clark (5/1), Washington State’s Mike Leach (6/1), SMU’s Sonny Dykes (6/1), Auburn’s Gus Malzahn (12/1), former Arkansas head coach Bobby Petrino (18/1), and former Ole Miss head coach Houston Nutt (25/1)."

PMDawg

11-12-2019, 04:56 PM

I'll save you the click.

"
BetOnline has given Freeze 8/1 odds of being the next Arkansas head coach. Liberty’s first-year head coach has the 7th best odds of being the next coach, behind favorite Mike Norvell, currently the head coach at Memphis who has 2/1 odds.

Others listed are Appalachian State’s Eliah Drinkwitz (3/1), FAU’s Lane Kiffin (4/1), UAB’s Bill Clark (5/1), Washington State’s Mike Leach (6/1), SMU’s Sonny Dykes (6/1), Auburn’s Gus Malzahn (12/1), former Arkansas head coach Bobby Petrino (18/1), and former Ole Miss head coach Houston Nutt (25/1)."

This is one to watch over the next few years.