Muschamp might be joining Morris tomorrow

[parabrave]

Losing to App State in the 4th.

[BeardoMSU]

Lost to App State...

[DownwardDawg]

I think he makes it until the season is over, but then definitely gets fired. He beat Georgia.

[Madisonmd]

ALWAYS FELT LIKE MUSCHAMP WAS FOOLS GOLD

[gravedigger]

Losing to App State in the 4th.

So compared to USCe, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Florida State...how do we look as a good landing spot for an up and coming coach? And established one? Looks like this really may be a bidding war. We got the money to out bid those?

[R2Dawg]

Losing to App St. is not as bad as it sounds. They are a top 20 team after all. Not saying he should or shouldn't be gone. We lost to a bad USA team several years ago. Losing to WKU at home is something else.

[msstate7]

So compared to USCe, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Florida State...how do we look as a good landing spot for an up and coming coach? And established one? Looks like this really may be a bidding war. We got the money to out bid those?

Florida state shouldn't be included in that group. They're BY FAR the best job. Throw the rest in a hat... pretty much equal imo

[msbulldog]

Maybe the best out of the 4, but FSU has lost a lot of it's luster.

[gravedigger]

Florida state shouldn't be included in that group. They're BY FAR the best job. Throw the rest in a hat... pretty much equal imo

So Florida State gets to pick first and then we get into a bidding war with South Carolina, Ole Miss and Arkansas for the next best thing.

We know Ole Miss and Arkansas will and can spend more than us. Not as sure about South Carolina.

So our option this year, no matter how many games we lose, is to take whatever coach we can get behind Florida State and whomever outbids us.

Solid plan.

[BulldogDX55]

ALWAYS FELT LIKE MUSCHAMP WAS FOOLS GOLD

He followed the same trajectory at USC as he did at Florida. Came in, won with strong D and weak O, and failed after he started having to use his recruits.

I think the guy is probably a good motivator and decent at at least defensive Xs and Os, but must be a poor talent scout.

[msstate7]

So Florida State gets to pick first and then we get into a bidding war with South Carolina, Ole Miss and Arkansas for the next best thing.

We know Ole Miss and Arkansas will and can spend more than us. Not as sure about South Carolina.

So our option this year, no matter how many games we lose, is to take whatever coach we can get behind Florida State and whomever outbids us.

Solid plan.

Or we stick with trash. Also a solid plan

[mparkerfd20]

Or we stick with trash. Also a solid plan

Barring a complete breakdown against Ole Miss I believe we stay with this option unfortunately.

[msstate7]

Barring a complete breakdown against Ole Miss I believe we stay with this option unfortunately.

6-6, and we can't fire him. Just gotta hope something clicks in the offseason, and he figures it out. I think the real winner of the egg bowl will be the one that replaces their HC

[basedog]

Florida state shouldn't be included in that group. They're BY FAR the best job. Throw the rest in a hat... pretty much equal imo

Hmmm, you should research a little more on Fsu, they have internal problems. They will never be what they were, not saying it isn't a good job but perception is cloudy for them.

[gravedigger]

Or we stick with trash. Also a solid plan

Trash.

This caricature is the perfect example of why our message board fanbase will be eternally frustrated with whomever is our coach. Goes right along with "Joevester" and "country club". Baseless nicknames from small minds. I get it. It's your ceiling for an argument.

[msstate7]

Hmmm, you should research a little more on Fsu, they have internal problems. They will never be what they were, not saying it isn't a good job but perception is cloudy for them.

Never is a strong word, and you'll probably look quite dumb using that word if they make a good hire

[TALL DAWG]

ALWAYS FELT LIKE MUSCHAMP WAS FOOLS GOLD

This is Gold right here Jerry!

Never have understood the Boom theory on this cat.

[basedog]

Never is a strong word, and you'll probably look quite dumb using that word if they make a good hire

Looking dumb? read again and understand what I said. Never being finding another Bowden, same for OM and Vaught, not many Coaches stay much longer than 5 or 6 years. Let me clue you in, there Pres is retiring, they had to hire an intern AD as the folks they went after declined, their top Booster Club guy is retiring.

[msstate7]

Looking dumb? read again and understand what I said. Never being finding another Bowden, same for OM and Vaught, not many Coaches stay much longer than 5 or 6 years. Let me clue you in, there Pres is retiring, they had to hire an intern AD as the folks they went after declined, their top Booster Club guy is retiring.

They've won a natty after Bowden

ETA... you seem to think since taggart failed, FSU will never be a power again. That's pretty ridiculous

[msstate7]

Trash.

This caricature is the perfect example of why our message board fanbase will be eternally frustrated with whomever is our coach. Goes right along with "Joevester" and "country club". Baseless nicknames from small minds. I get it. It's your ceiling for an argument.

Joe has lost 5 games in the 22 (22.7%) that he's coached here where he was a 6.5 or better favorite. He's an underachiever... that's a trash record for a coach. You always do this... someone criticizes joe, and you say they're small minded. Small minded is making excuses for underachieving; you're a sheep. As long as joe is our coach, you'll make excuses for him

[basedog]

They've won a natty after Bowden

ETA... you seem to think since taggart failed, FSU will never be a power again. That's pretty ridiculous

Describe power again. Yo boy playing a QB who should have been dismissed from school with a Coach who left the program in much worse shape than what Bowden built.

I didn't say they wouldn't hire a decent Coach, I said their is a problems internal. Now get back to writing love letters to the Aggies Coach** LOL

[msstate7]

Describe power again. Yo boy playing a QB who should have been dismissed from school with a Coach who left the program in much worse shape than what Bowden built.

I didn't say they wouldn't hire a decent Coach, I said their is a problems internal. Now get back to writing love letters to the Aggies Coach** LOL

All blue bloods are 1 hire away. ALL. BLUE. BLOODS

[basedog]

All blue bloods are 1 hire away. ALL. BLUE. BLOODS

LOL, not really, OM was a one time Blue Blood program. Fsu was a nobody until BB came along. We shall see.

[msstate7]

LOL, not really, OM was a one time Blue Blood program. Fsu was a nobody until BB came along. We shall see.

You comparing OM pre-integration to FSU 1980s-2010s? Jeez... FSU won a natty in 2013 and played in the playoffs in 2014

[basedog]

You comparing OM pre-integration to FSU 1980s-2010s? Jeez... FSU won a natty in 2013 and played in the playoffs in 2014

You need to get back to the casino table 7, I ain't gonna continue with this nonsense. Take care.

[msstate7]

You need to get back to the casino table 7, I ain't gonna continue with this nonsense. Take care.

I'd bow out with that take too

[gravedigger]

Joe has lost 5 games in the 22 (22.7%) that he's coached here where he was a 6.5 or better favorite. He's an underachiever... that's a trash record for a coach. You always do this... someone criticizes joe, and you say they're small minded. Small minded is making excuses for underachieving; you're a sheep. As long as joe is our coach, you'll make excuses for him

I have been consistent but it is not in defending criticism of Moorhead. It is in the reasoning and process of making the decision to change coaches.

Minds that cannot or will not make rational arguments resort to labels.

We are a mediocre team that should do better. Nothing more or less. Nothing to celebrate. Nothing to call out the National Guard.

Feigning some higher standard to the point we pull out pitchforks and torches 5 games into year 2 seems to be all the rage. Nobody with any understanding of MSU athletics and its history prior to Mullen believes that is a genuine response.

It is bravado.

[timotheus]

How many games will JoMo be favored in next season?

[dawgday166]

How many games will JoMo be favored in next season?

Probably 3 OOC games and Arky.

[Hambone]

Seriously? He’ll be favored against Kentucky Missouri Ole Miss and the 4 OOC.

[dawgday166]

Seriously? He’ll be favored against Kentucky Missouri Ole Miss and the 4 OOC.

What makes you say that? At Ky, maybe Mizzou, at OM. Course that could be the case if we have a good year leading up to those later games and they turn out not so hot, but he's done nothing to warrant being the favorite in those games next year. At best right now KY & OM might be pick ems.

ETA: I believe what I stated is about where our program is right now.

ETA: I went back and looked at Mizzou and while they started out pretty good they been dropping and probably ain't that good now. So that one might be a toss-up or we could be favored in it.

[Coach34]

Minds that cannot or will not make rational arguments resort to labels. .

I'm pretty much the King of making rational arguments supported by facts around here. The facts are:

JoeVester was handed a team loaded with talent in 2018 and underachieved.
JoeVester struggles on offense- which is his specialty.
JoeVester has underachieved this season as well
JoeVester has continued to attempt to re-brand this year's team- made up of veterans- into a "young team that is rebuilding"
After the Bama game- JoeVester will be 12-11 as our HC with teams loaded with upperclassmen (11-11 if you don't count the 1-AA win)

Next year after we lose 12-13 starters off this team- we'll see what an actual rebuilding season looks like.

[Todd4State]

I have been consistent but it is not in defending criticism of Moorhead. It is in the reasoning and process of making the decision to change coaches.

Minds that cannot or will not make rational arguments resort to labels.

We are a mediocre team that should do better. Nothing more or less. Nothing to celebrate. Nothing to call out the National Guard.

Feigning some higher standard to the point we pull out pitchforks and torches 5 games into year 2 seems to be all the rage. Nobody with any understanding of MSU athletics and its history prior to Mullen believes that is a genuine response.

It is bravado.

Honest question: Do you think Joe will improve as a coach?

[Coach34]

Seriously? He?ll be favored against Kentucky Missouri Ole Miss and the 4 OOC.

Based on what? Will be surprised if we are favored at NC State, at Kentucky, or at Mississippi. We will be fighting for 6 wins next year

[DownwardDawg]

Never is a strong word, and you'll probably look quite dumb using that word if they make a good hire

This is the same thing I keep telling folks who say that about Notre Dame. 1 good hire away from being a perennial top 5 team.

[Lord McBuckethead]

They've won a natty after Bowden

ETA... you seem to think since taggart failed, FSU will never be a power again. That's pretty ridiculous

FSU will be back. They are a blue blood. They will be back. They have the second largest recruiting talent in-state. Even with Mullen in state, Miami being terrible, everyone coming into FL and getting talent, they still have an opportunity to get elite talent and compete. You guys act like this is Wisconsin or Nebraska where no one wants to live and the winters are brutal.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I'm pretty much the King of making rational arguments supported by facts around here. The facts are:

JoeVester was handed a team loaded with talent in 2018 and underachieved.
JoeVester struggles on offense- which is his specialty.
JoeVester has underachieved this season as well
JoeVester has continued to attempt to re-brand this year's team- made up of veterans- into a "young team that is rebuilding"
After the Bama game- JoeVester will be 12-11 as our HC with teams loaded with upperclassmen

Next year after we lose 12-13 starters off this team- we'll see what an actual rebuilding season looks like.

I am going to add in the following:
1. 2018 was damn talented. defense lived up to the hype and potential. Offense struggled due to poor QB play due to coming off an injury. I still say, we win 9 last year with KT as qb and we would have been in better position this year if that happened. But you cannot bench a guy going for the all-time QB rushing record.
2. Yes. QB issues last year and QB injured this year. Give me another team that has dealt with a QB1 being injured well. UF, had the talent to beat GA, but not with their backup. Alabama...come on, they have the best team top to bottom talent in the entire country to make up for it, yet they got rolled by LSU yesterday.
3. Yes he has underachieved, QB was injured, playing hurt, or back up true freshmen. This isn't Peyton Manning true freshman either. Shrader is a baller and did well during his time starting.
4. We have inexperienced players all over the entire field outside of Dantzler, Hill, Leo, Errol, and our OL. OL has had its own share of injuries. Errol is trying to do too many peoples job and is a step slow. Leo was better his freshman year. Dantzler has been fighting injuries. Hill is a man. Everyone else, pretty much is either a freshman, first time starter, or someone who played mop up duty years previous.
5. Last year was the let down, not this year. Last year had to deal with Fitz having a flat tire and his offensive style not particularly what Joe needed or wanted.

The key is getting difference makers in through recruiting or transfers. Not sure about Joe's talent evaluation yet. We will have to wait and see.

[dawgday166]

Fitz played pretty decent in Ky and FL games but had no time to throw (confused Oline, no adjustment for Allen in Ky game, and Hill not blocking) and receivers dropped balls. Our Oline has been really physical much less since new coaching regime. Lot of offensive presnap and other penalties in Ky game too.

[Coach34]

I am going to add in the following:
1. 2018 was damn talented. defense lived up to the hype and potential. Offense struggled due to poor QB play due to coming off an injury. I still say, we win 9 last year with KT as qb and we would have been in better position this year if that happened. But you cannot bench a guy going for the all-time QB rushing record. (If we had tailored the offense more to the QB's strengths- we would have won at least 10 games. We had a veteran offense that was 41st in the country in 2017. Zero excuse for falling 30 spots)
2. Yes. QB issues last year and QB injured this year. Give me another team that has dealt with a QB1 being injured well. UF, had the talent to beat GA, but not with their backup. Alabama...come on, they have the best team top to bottom talent in the entire country to make up for it, yet they got rolled by LSU yesterday.
3. Yes he has underachieved, QB was injured, playing hurt, or back up true freshmen. This isn't Peyton Manning true freshman either. Shrader is a baller and did well during his time starting. (Our QB issues are Moorhead-induced. KT was not given a chance to start and it has helped destroy this team. You really cant whine about QB injuries when you have a guy on your bench that is 2-0 as a starter in college but hasn't played 1 play)
4. We have inexperienced players all over the entire field outside of Dantzler, Hill, Leo, Errol, and our OL. OL has had its own share of injuries. Errol is trying to do too many peoples job and is a step slow. Leo was better his freshman year. Dantzler has been fighting injuries. Hill is a man. Everyone else, pretty much is either a freshman, first time starter, or someone who played mop up duty years previous. (What? We returned a QB with starting experience, 2 veteran TB's, a veteran OL, our top WR's plus added talent to them, veteran DE's, all our LB's, and our CB's. aGAIN I say- next year people are going to learn what a rebuild looks like as we lose a lot of SR's and some Jr's leaving early)
5. Last year was the let down, not this year. Last year had to deal with Fitz having a flat tire and his offensive style not particularly what Joe needed or wanted. (Our offensive style hasn't changed- we average 2 more runs per game this year than we did last year)

The key is getting difference makers in through recruiting or transfers. Not sure about Joe's talent evaluation yet. We will have to wait and see.

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[TrapGame]

I'm pretty much the King of making rational arguments supported by facts around here. The facts are:

JoeVester was handed a team loaded with talent in 2018 and underachieved.
JoeVester struggles on offense- which is his specialty.
JoeVester has underachieved this season as well
JoeVester has continued to attempt to re-brand this year's team- made up of veterans- into a "young team that is rebuilding"
After the Bama game- JoeVester will be 12-11 as our HC with teams loaded with upperclassmen (11-11 if you don't count the 1-AA win)

Next year after we lose 12-13 starters off this team- we'll see what an actual rebuilding season looks like.

And this is what just boggles the mind. An award winning OC can't adapt to his talent? The whole "But Fitz looks great in practice." should have been a dead giveaway that he was lost.

[dantheman4248]

What's interesting to think is that at this point it's safe to say that all SEC jobs save for maybe Vandy and slowly heading that way Arkansas are top 40 jobs in the nation. Florida State might not be top 20 anymore.

Alabama
LSU
A&M
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Oklahoma
Texas
USC
Oregon
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Clemson

All those are for sure better spots at this point.

Then it gets murky on:
Tennessee
Washington
Stanford
UCLA
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Miami
Virginia Tech

Which with MSU being a top 40 spot thanks to SEC money... these two spots may have at most 10-15 schools in between them. It's why I think people acting like we're poor old MSU and should be happy with 6-6 don't understand that in the last 10 years from both Mullen and SEC money, we have been elevated from outside the top-50 and into the top-40. We should have higher standards. I secretly thought Joe Moorhead was a 2-3 year hire anyways. Thought he would come in and have back to back 10 win seasons then move onto Penn State when James Franklin takes the USC job.

For context I believe we are solidly ahead of these teams outside the SEC:

Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, West Virginia, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State, Rutgers, Maryland, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Louisville, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh. You can argue a few of them but the point remains

[defiantdog]

All blue bloods are 1 hire away. ALL. BLUE. BLOODS

Willie Taggart dropped the ball in recruiting. They were consistently top 10 in recruiting all the way up to Cam Akers class. After that class, they dropped out of the top 10 composite and are now close to dropping out of the top 20. This is due to the fact that Taggart missed on a lot of recruits. He hasn't recruited a decent QB yet (they had a few transfers last season - Tommy Stevens situations), no big time RB to support Akers, no dynamic WR, but they have done a decent job recruiting on defense. They are 2 years away from having a 60 million football complex along with 40 million in extra facilities. They are easily the most attractable program looking for a coach as of now. Someone can really step in and look like a rock star by simply increasing the recruiting efforts and getting better talent on the field. If they make the right hire, I expect them to being competitive again real soon.