Sam Houston State game thread

[chef dixon]

Offense stagnant so far. Perry needs to get it together

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Gonna be tough when he gets 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes

[chef dixon]

Gonna be tough when he gets 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes

Yea he needs to work on his overall control. Sloppy charge, shooting a quick 3, getting stripped under the basket pretty easily. Was hoping some of that stuff would be better overall in year two.

[chef dixon]

We have no clue on offense right now

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

This is pathetic. 13 turnovers in 14 minutes.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Howland ball. Lots of talent little coaching

[MaroonFlounder]

SHSU is one of the most active and quick defensive teams I've ever seen

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Perry's done nothing but foul and throw up 26 footers

Which may make him one of the more productive players this half

[Cloak]

How do Woodard and especially Perry play this bad. They are so freaking talented, it would seem like a start to the season like this couldn't happen for them.

[MaroonFlounder]

This is Rick Ray bad

[chef dixon]

Mods please just delete this thread

[RocketDawg]

We look terrible at this point. Basketball games can and have turned around fairly fast, but we need to start turning.

[chef dixon]

This is Rick Ray bad

To be fair to Rick Ray, I don't think we ever turned the ball over 16 times in a half. Ugly.

[MaroonFlounder]

Mods please just delete this thread

Might be a good idea. Dozens of folks will end up in timeout.

[Cloak]

Carter's back must be getting sore

[RocketDawg]

Didn't we have a Molinar on the football team a few years ago?

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Forced them into two horrible shots and both go right to their guy underneath for an easy 2

[Doggie_Style]

Is JoMo coaching basketball now?

[MaroonFlounder]

This is why Vic and the women get more support.

[Scared_Hitless]

This is hard to watch

[Pinto]

This game should answer any and all questions about why attendance is so bad at men’s games. When you play like you don’t care, the fans have no reason to care as well.

Someone make sure JoMo gets this post as well.

[West Tn Dawg]

This is hard to watch

Yep, they pretty much suck!!!!!

[PMDawg]

Well, 0 for 2 on sports this year. Geez.

[PGHBulldogBG]

This is why Vic and the women get more support.

Vic is a real coach and motivator. Can you imagine if his teams played like this? Starters would be benched. Howland is a deer in the headlights

[Cloak]

Molinar - Sloppy ball handling
Perry - Complete non factor
Woodard - Lazy with the ball
Carter - Only bright spot
Ado - Weak but plays hard

None of them can stay in front of their man on defense. One dribble drive gets them right past us.

Again we are getting out hustled.

[West Tn Dawg]

They chase every shot and keep getting 2nd chance shots. We just stand there and watch the shot. It's BAD!!!

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

New year, same crap. Out hustled, out fundamentaled, and absurdly long stretches where we can't even get a decent shot off.

[bobcat91]

I believe this is the answer for every State fan when they dont see what they like happening on the field/court. Lackluster uninspired play and guys going through the motions. Who is on our short list***.

[Duckdog]

I feel sorry for you because damn what a shitshow. Even if we do pull out the win these biys dont give a flying shit.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

7 turnovers for Perry tonight. 23 for the team

[Cloak]

Even though we've played this bad, we still got a shot. Come on Dawgs

[jacobyjones5]

Molinar - Sloppy ball handling
Perry - Complete non factor
Woodard - Lazy with the ball
Carter - Only bright spot
Ado - Weak but plays hard

None of them can stay in front of their man on defense. One dribble drive gets them right past us.

Again we are getting out hustled.

I?d say that Dj Stewart has also play well, but we really need nick out there for some better ball security. Don?t know what is up with Perry on the offensive end tonight. Looks like Schneider Herard handling the ball

[Cloak]

Let's goooooo

[Scared_Hitless]

Carter is carrying this team. If we can get Perry rolling would alleviate some pressure.

[Scared_Hitless]

I mean this team is talented at minimum. At least it wasnt a snoozer. Lets close it out

[BeardoMSU]

Damn, these guys suck***

[ScoobaDawg]

This is why Vic and the women get more support.


Yea..because that wasn't exciting at all....

[MoreCowbell]

What a finish. Perfect game to learn and grow from

[Scared_Hitless]

We may not play that bad again all season and we won. We need that defensive effort all game

[Sundawg1974]

Whole bunch of y?all must be really sad right now. Dawgs win

[ScoobaDawg]

Dawgs win 67-58

[HoopsDawg]

Easy 9 point win.

[chef dixon]

Damn, these guys suck***

Come on dude. 16 turnovers in the first half and the way we were playing deserves some criticism in an actually relatively tame game thread.

[NCMSTFAN]

After all the complaints we won! People need to realize we dont have Nick, Q is in the NBA and Peter's is gone too... 3 good SEC gaurds... it's going to take time to get Molinar and DJ comfortable... luckily Nick will be back

[Lord McBuckethead]

Really shitty basketball, until the 10 minute left mark. Good fight at the end.

[tcdog70]

DJ Finally gave Tyson some help.

[Cloak]

Go Dawgs. You could tell the effort completely changed halfway through the second half.

If we play with that level of intensity and effort for an entire game, we can be good.

[Lord McBuckethead]

What a finish. Perfect game to learn and grow from

Exactly. Howland needs to start to move past this type of game though. That is the second game in a row where Perry didn't score for the first 30 minutes of gametime. Got to figure out a new identity cause is Carter ever goes cold, we wouldn't have score 15 pts in the 1st half.

[NCMSTFAN]

I'll take an ugly win over a loss... this will be a teachable moment for Howland to the young Gaurds.. right now we only have 1 experienced SEC guard but games like this will help Molinar and DJ....

[MaroonFlounder]

I'll admit to being a turd. Didn't think this team had it in them. Close games like that and win a lot of games.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I just want to say, this team could be really damn good, when they figure it out. If they put in the hard work now, they will be a very tough out. But, if they play like this against anyone in the SEC or tourney, they lose by 20. Got to get mentally ready to attack from the opening tip every game. They only get so many of these games to make their case to the pro scouts and I want everyone of them to become ballers.

[tcdog70]

I'm glad for the win. We could have quit. We must continue to improve.

[NCMSTFAN]

Games like this can build a team... I hate how bad we looked early but to fight back like that and win shows grit

[NCMSTFAN]

I'm glad DJ stepped up, Tyson needs help at the guard spots, he and Molinar have no choice but to step up

[chef dixon]

DJ is looking like an important piece for us. We are going to need some guys to makes some 3s besides Carter, preferably not Perry although he seems to want to.

[MaroonFlounder]

Yea..because that wasn't exciting at all....

Great comeback win. But getting off to a horrible start in games is frustrating. Where have we seen that before...oh yeah, the football team.

[msudawg1200]

Dang. I cut if off when we were down 52-34 with 12 minutes left. I guess we outscored them 33-6 from that point on. Pretty good ending.

[NCMSTFAN]

Carter played 40 minutes, that's crazy. He cant continue that. I hope we can continue winning and the young guys step up until we get Nick back

[HoopsDawg]

Carter played 40 minutes, that's crazy. He cant continue that. I hope we can continue winning and the young guys step up until we get Nick back

It's actually not that big of deal when you only play twice a week.

[tcdog70]

A bad shot is better than a turnover .we could offensive rebound but we weren't shooting. 16 turnovers means 16 times we didn't shoot.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Great last 10 minutes by Howland. I will admit I’m not his biggest fan but him and the team deserve props for this. I hope I’m wrong and Howland takes us deep into the tournament

[NCMSTFAN]

Hoopsdawg, I agree but 40 minutes in one game at the Division 1 level is hard. No matter the opponent. You cant take off on Defense, plus he runs the point alot and is our best shooter... that's a recipe for disaster moving forward.. he will be worn out at the end of close games... he needs some rest. That being said we needed him all 40 minutes tonight

[NCMSTFAN]

Great last 10 minutes by Howland. I will admit I’m not his biggest fan but him and the team deserve props for this. I hope I’m wrong and Howland takes us deep into the tournament

In college basketball guard play wins championships, we have 2 young guards getting alot of minutes. I think the more they play the better they get, and Nick will be back in 8 games too. We still have a chance to have a good season.

[HoopsDawg]

Not much to say, gotta cut down on the turnovers. Gotta hang in there until Nick gets back. Woodard, Stewart, and Molinar need to keep working on their shot.

[revdrdawg]

I lucked into courtside seats tonight. I saw frustration, but never desperation. I think the thing that I like most was that during crunch time, every single player had at least one moment where they made the key shot/defensive stand/grab the loose ball. Tyson kept us in the game, but the last five minutes was a genuine team effort.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Bet there is a lot of crow being eaten tonight

[dantheman4248]

Yea..because that wasn't exciting at all....

Mannn you know bette than this. Yea basketball is fickle but that?s still piss poor effort to let a team of that magnitude of suck hang around.

Talking about this win and it being exciting, 2016 Sanford @ MSU football was exciting. We won. Ain?t a soul from MSU happy about it though.

[ZedFedder]

We played terrible and found a way to win. What excites me more than anything was the jawing and smack talking at the end. I think what you see is a team who is excited to play and believes they are really good. I think they are going to be fun to watch before it’s all over.

[NCMSTFAN]

Mannn you know bette than this. Yea basketball is fickle but that?s still piss poor effort to let a team of that magnitude of suck hang around.

Talking about this win and it being exciting, 2016 Sanford @ MSU football was exciting. We won. Ain?t a soul from MSU happy about it though.

Team of that magnitude? Well they did win 21 games last year. And we are very young at the guard positions... no excuses though, we shouldn't have been down by that many but we lost 3 starting SEC guards in Q, Lamar and Nick until his return. Basketball is a game of runs and the talent level between a 2 or 3 star player vs 4 or 5 isnt that far off like a sport like football, that's why we see the upsets in the tournament yearly... yes we have alot of work to do but at the end of the day we found a way to win. Gotta move on to the next

[MetEdDawg]

I'll add this. Sam Houston State was picked by many to finish 1st or 2nd in the Southland. So they very well could be a team on our schedule that's in the NCAA Tournament.

According to Team Rankings, they've got a 28% chance to win their conference tournament. That's more than double the next team behind them. So yes a lower opponent, but one that many are picking to win their conference and go dancing.

The New Orleans team we play next weekend is the team picked to challenge SHSU for the Southland. So there's a very high chance one of them will represent the Southland in the NCAA Tournament and the other will finish 2nd.

Add to that Radford who is predicted to win the Big South, New Mexico State who is projected to run away with the WAC, and La Tech projected 2nd in CUSA. So don't be surprised if 3 or 4 of our non conference opponents win their conference. 3 of them are projected to do that and 2 more are projected to finish 2. So don't sleep on our non conference schedule. Not a ton of big names but a lot of teams you may see on lines 13-15 come tournament time.

[jdelta02]

DJ Stewart was a big key in the come back, huge in this game. Also, second leading scorer in the game with 15 points.

[ZedFedder]

DJ Stewart was a big key in the come back, huge in this game. Also, second leading scorer in the game with 15 points.

Physically he looks really really good. Our S&C has those guys looking fantastic.

[revdrdawg]

S&C has to get some credit. For two games in a row, our guys were better ready to push hard for the last 4 minutes (of course, it wouldn't hurt to play a little better for the first 36 minutes).

[chef dixon]

We aren?t the only team that loses people. I think Bart said SHSU lost 4 of their top 5 scorers. We were really pathetic for 30 game minutes. Glad we came back and avoided an ugly loss. Got to get better, we have the potential.

[dantheman4248]

I'll add this. Sam Houston State was picked by many to finish 1st or 2nd in the Southland. So they very well could be a team on our schedule that's in the NCAA Tournament.

According to Team Rankings, they've got a 28% chance to win their conference tournament. That's more than double the next team behind them. So yes a lower opponent, but one that many are picking to win their conference and go dancing.

The New Orleans team we play next weekend is the team picked to challenge SHSU for the Southland. So there's a very high chance one of them will represent the Southland in the NCAA Tournament and the other will finish 2nd.

Add to that Radford who is predicted to win the Big South, New Mexico State who is projected to run away with the WAC, and La Tech projected 2nd in CUSA. So don't be surprised if 3 or 4 of our non conference opponents win their conference. 3 of them are projected to do that and 2 more are projected to finish 2. So don't sleep on our non conference schedule. Not a ton of big names but a lot of teams you may see on lines 13-15 come tournament time.

Ok and?? Who cares about someone being the tallest short kid.

[PMDawg]

Bet there is a lot of crow being eaten tonight

3 games against mediocre teams, 3 nail biters. Nick will make us a lot better, but we better grow up fast.

[R2Dawg]

DJ Stewart was a big key in the come back, huge in this game. Also, second leading scorer in the game with 15 points.

DJ Stewart is going to be a star in this league; been saying that since we recruited him. He stepped up big early in his career.

I was at high school playoff game and listened to on radio. Hard to listen to for first 30 minutes but they really turned it on and showed some tourney type clutch play. We are really talented but have to learn to play with more grit and toughness. Sam HSt. is a solid team that plays smart and tough.

Perry has got to play better to start games. Others are pressing too much early.

[MetEdDawg]

Ok and?? Who cares about someone being the tallest short kid.

You are a not good poster. Like really not good.

Nice troll job on my post considering that's all you had to say.

At least I'm able to provide context to things. Can't imagine you had any clue the team we played last night is projected to win their conference. And I doubt you would admit that anyways.

[maroonmania]

Great comeback win. But getting off to a horrible start in games is frustrating. Where have we seen that before...oh yeah, the football team.

Howland often looks like he is half asleep over on the bench and our team seems to reflect his energy early in games.

[dantheman4248]

You are a not good poster. Like really not good.

Nice troll job on my post considering that's all you had to say.

At least I'm able to provide context to things. Can't imagine you had any clue the team we played last night is projected to win their conference. And I doubt you would admit that anyways.

ULaLa is battling for their conference and was expected to compete for it. People didn’t like that they played us semi-close. That’s cause no one gives a damn about a non power conference champion. Again. It’s being the tallest short guy. If they start knocking off some top 100 rpi or net teams then we’ll talk. Until then we’re out here twiddling our thumbs and looking undisciplined to start the season. If we were a one and done program that’s one thing. We’re a 4-year team and starting out flat with no chemistry. Just out talent opponents at the end. That’s not what we should be at this stage with Howland. I’m happy for the wins but we do need to get better overall otherwise sec play won’t be so kind. We won’t out talent anyone there and in fact will be our talented by some. So it’s concerning seeing the lack of discipline early. It needs to sort itself out and hopefully it does. I’d love another tournament appearance and once we’re in, anything can happen.