NCAA caves - votes to allow players to profit off likeness

[Irondawg]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-votes-allow-athletes-profit-likeness

Won't matter who our coach if this gets instituted - will take a minor miracle for any non-blue blood, huge alumni base school to succeed that's not in a major metro area.

EDIT - this is every bit the NCAA voting to keep themselves relevant and guarantee their status. It's not about the member institutions or the athletes.

[Tbonewannabe]

So they can now pay above board and taxes will now have to be paid. I guess they could always still funnel it through a church like Cam Newton's dad was paid.

[TUSK]

So they can now pay above board and taxes will now have to be paid. I guess they could always still funnel it through a church like Cam Newton's dad was paid.

An Aubie told me they paid some of their guys with casino chips... ingenious.

[dantheman4248]

So OM can’t cheat their way to the almost top anymore. Cool.

[parabrave]

Guess this is the only way to get Texas, USC and ND strong again. Even Bama cant compete with these fan bases. So you want to go to Bama which has 3 million fans or Texas which has 40 million?

[msstate7]

So OM can’t cheat their way to the almost top anymore. Cool.

Probably hurt us more than them. You'll probably see the cannon motors rebel or the week or lawyer billboards with om players

[ckDOG]

The way I see it is that the blue bloods will remain blue. Who really cares?

Possible upside for us is now the going rates to buy the leftovers is now more transparent. We either choose to play the game, or we don?t. But being good at doing things behind closed doors and out of NCAA sight is going to become a less valuable skill set.

[Dawgology]

And just like that...college football as an amateur sport came to an end.

[Coursesuper]

Probably hurt us more than them. You'll probably see the cannon motors rebel or the week or lawyer billboards with om players

yep

[Irondawg]

The problem is when you have a player blow up and the transfer portal. Won't be long before you can transfer for any reason. So let's say Schrader had just gone bonkers and LSU has no heir apparent. LSU would just call him up and offer him all kind of endorsements if they wanted.

Yeah, I'm talking about worse case scenario, but you've got a ton of rich, hyper-competitive alumni at a bunch of these places.

[defiantdog]

Does this mean we get NCAA football back on Xbox?!

[gtowndawg]

What's Bracky say?

[Commercecomet24]

This has been going on since cfb started. The only difference now is it won't be a violation and of course the government will now get a share since this will all be taxable now. Now the thing will be how much can you hide from the government so you won't have to pay taxes. The feds and the states just got a new revenue stream. I can see states with no state income tax becoming very popular for players.

[Cooterpoot]

I suspect they’ll limit this to a point. But bring on NCAA Football!!

[Tbonewannabe]

This has been going on since cfb started. The only difference now is it won't be a violation and of course the government will now get a share since this will all be taxable now. Now the thing will be how much can you hide from the government so you won't have to pay taxes. The feds and the states just got a new revenue stream. I can see states with no state income tax becoming very popular for players.

The IRS will now actually try to go after the cash also. I always thought it was weird that the IRS wasn't involved when the FBI wire taps showed the big money being paid and all of it should have been taxable as a bonus of some kind. I guess they could have said it was a gift but there was something being paid for, ie. signing with their college of choice.

[AlSwearengen]

I think some here are confusing “benefits” with what the ncaa just announced. Unless I am missing an angle, this is worse for MSU than losing out to the highest bidder.

Thank you Gavin Newsome and California. I hope you both die of a flesh eating bacteria of the asshole.

[Commercecomet24]

The IRS will now actually try to go after the cash also. I always thought it was weird that the IRS wasn't involved when the FBI wire taps showed the big money being paid and all of it should have been taxable as a bonus of some kind. I guess they could have said it was a gift but there was something being paid for, ie. signing with their college of choice.

Yep I always thought it was weird as well. Don't think these laws are being passed just for the benefit of the players. This has been an untapped government revenue stream for a long long time. Hope I'm not venturing to much to the political sides of things, if I am mods please delete these.

[KentuckyDawg13]

Bracky: "Time to update my resume."

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Does this mean we get NCAA football back on Xbox?!

This all I care about...^^

[Jack Lambert]

I say wait a while before freaking out. Let's see what rules are put into place and what the federal government do with the internal revenue code.

[Maroonthirteen]

Just because you didn’t hear about it in the news doesn’t mean the IRS didn’t come along after and access tax on those guys.

[Maroonthirteen]

There is no new rules needed. The college kids will be taxed just like the pro guys are currently. If they don’t file and report it..... then see.... Wesley Snipes, Richard Hatch, The Situation... etc.

[Commercecomet24]

There is no new rules needed. The college kids will be taxed just like the pro guys are currently. If they don’t file and report it..... then see.... Wesley Snipes, Richard Hatch, The Situation... etc.

Yep.

[Liverpooldawg]

That is probably the end of bigtime college sports. It won't affect the blue bloods, till the rest of us start dropping away. Then it will affect all but the bluest of the blue. The biggest winner is Notre Dame. In 20 years you will see a NCAA division one composed of about 25-30 schools for each major sport. The rest of the sports will slowly wither.

[FriarsPoint]

“Block fo yoself, mfer. You da one getting paid.”

Yep. I’m done.

[smootness]

And just like that...college football as an amateur sport came to an end.

I don't think so. It's possible this is the beginning of the end, but I really don't think it will be.

Allowing players the ability to make money off their name and likeness was always the right move.

[Todd4State]

I guess we can offer baseball players endorsements now to make up for the 11.7? Cool.

[AROB44]

If a player gets paid, then he should have to pay for going to school just like any other student.

[dawgs]

That is probably the end of bigtime college sports. It won't affect the blue bloods, till the rest of us start dropping away. Then it will affect all but the bluest of the blue. The biggest winner is Notre Dame. In 20 years you will see a NCAA division one composed of about 25-30 schools for each major sport. The rest of the sports will slowly wither.

You act like CTE, insurance, and a drastic reduction in youth participation reducing the talent pool isn't gonna already have this effect on CFB in the next 20-30 years.

[dawgs]

If a player gets paid, then he should have to pay for going to school just like any other student.

That's such a dumb ****ing statement. I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?

[dawgs]

The problem is when you have a player blow up and the transfer portal. Won't be long before you can transfer for any reason. So let's say Schrader had just gone bonkers and LSU has no heir apparent. LSU would just call him up and offer him all kind of endorsements if they wanted.

Yeah, I'm talking about worse case scenario, but you've got a ton of rich, hyper-competitive alumni at a bunch of these places.

Pro sports have rules against meddling in other teams players when they are under contract. There's also rules on the books for contacting players on scholarship now. I don't think there's just gonna be programs calling up players on scholarship and upping the offer to get them to transfer and if there are, they should be placed on probation.

[dawgs]

Y'all seriously think enough money is gonna fly around that this is some government conspiracy to generate another revenue stream? Cause I sure don't think so.

[PMDawg]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-votes-allow-athletes-profit-likeness

Won't matter who our coach if this gets instituted - will take a minor miracle for any non-blue blood, huge alumni base school to succeed that's not in a major metro area.

EDIT - this is every bit the NCAA voting to keep themselves relevant and guarantee their status. It's not about the member institutions or the athletes.

Well, at least now I don't have to care about whether Joe comes back in 2020, or who our next coach is.

I'm done with NCAA sports. What's the point?

[Tbonewannabe]

Just because you didn’t hear about it in the news doesn’t mean the IRS didn’t come along after and access tax on those guys.

I think it would have been big news if some college kid got a $5,000 to $10,000 IRS bill.

[dawgs]

I don't think so. It's possible this is the beginning of the end, but I really don't think it will be.

Allowing players the ability to make money off their name and likeness was always the right move.

There's no legal or moral argument against it. The only argument is that it'll change things. But lots of the biggest wrongs in human history were perpetuated because it was just how it had always been and changing would require work, but that didn't mean we should've kept perpetuating the system instead of doing the right thing.

[AROB44]

That's such a dumb ****ing statement. I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?

Ok, since you obviously are superior, what is dumb about what I said? You know, just because you don't agree doesn't mean that the other person is dumb.

[Tbonewannabe]

If a player gets paid, then he should have to pay for going to school just like any other student.

The SEC pretty much requires a football player to put in full time work year round. Players are essentially employees that also go to school. They also have the opportunity to have a life altering injury and the school just cut them loose afterwards. I didn't know that until recently. I read some articles talking about how a player had a knee injury and the only thing the school paid for was the actual surgery. All the rehab and everything else was on the student to pay for. That is one reason that Saban puts them on medical scholarships, they don't lose their insurance if they are pushed out. Scholarships are only good for one year so a player isn't guaranteed insurance or medical bills paid after that year.

[Jack Lambert]

That's such a dumb ****ing statement. I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?

Why not leave out "That's such a dumb ****ing statement" and just say, "I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?" You make the same point.

[smootness]

Athletes should be able to make money off their likeness, they should be allowed to work a job, and/or they should get a decent stipend from the school, at least in the sports that make money for the schools.

Those seem like pretty obvious, common-sense things. Sure, it's a system that could be exploited, but any system can be. The NCAA's job is to police that and do the best they can to make sure money it isn't being taken advantage of.

From the NCAA's perspective, what is the difference between policing, 'Player A is not allowed to get any money,' and, 'Player A is only allowed to get ____ money'?

I do not see any feasible system for paying players according to the 'value' they each bring to the school. I see no possible way some sort of free market system would work, and I see no possible way for a school to set a different value on each player. The superstars will still end up earning more by profiting off their likeness.

[dawgs]

Ok, since you obviously are superior, what is dumb about what I said? You know, just because you don't agree doesn't mean that the other person is dumb.

Feel free to logically back it up. Why shouldn't academic scholarships be taxed too then? Would they only be taxed if the academic recipient took a job on the side? Just ****ing think about it for a second instead of getting wound up that folks putting 3-5 years of their lives and basically full time work hours into a sport that produces hundreds of millions of dollars are finally going to be rightfully able to make a little money off it.

[dawgs]

Why not leave out "That's such a dumb ****ing statement" and just say, "I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?" You make the same point.

Because it doesn't take much thought once the "tax the scholarship" idea pops in your head to realize why it falls apart. I get it, folks are scared we are gonna get left behind. We might. But it's also doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.

[Jack Lambert]

Because it doesn't take much thought once the "tax the scholarship" idea pops in your head to realize why it falls apart. I get it, folks are scared we are gonna get left behind. We might. But it's also doesn't change the fact that it's the right thing to do.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. I wasn't even questioning what you were saying. All I was saying the first part was not needed. The second part made your point and it was more of a conversation then a "bitching contest" that most these threads have turned into. Let try to stay friendly State fans who discusses Miss State sports on a message board.

[dawgs]

I don't disagree with what you are saying. I wasn't even questioning what you were saying. All I was saying the first part was not needed. The second part made your point and it was more of a conversation then a "bitching contest" that most these threads have turned into. Let try to stay friendly State fans who discusses Miss State sports on a message board.

My bad, just seen the same argument over and over today and it's so poorly thought through. Some senator from NC is claiming he's gonna write legislation to tax athletic scholarships now. I just don't understand this anger over 18-22 year olds generating hundreds of millions of dollars each year getting a little bit for themselves. Truly baffling to me.

[starkvegasdawg]

What's Bracky say?

Will Redmond just got suspended again.

[Commercecomet24]

My bad, just seen the same argument over and over today and it's so poorly thought through. Some senator from NC is claiming he's gonna write legislation to tax athletic scholarships now. I just don't understand this anger over 18-22 year olds generating hundreds of millions of dollars each year getting a little bit for themselves. Truly baffling to me.

Cause everyone wants a piece of the pie and lawmakers always try to find a way to get theirs. It's crazy. Heck the irs sent me a bill one time for $18. They want every cent they can get.

[Liverpooldawg]

If a player gets paid, then he should have to pay for going to school just like any other student.

TOTALLY AGREE.

[Liverpooldawg]

You act like CTE, insurance, and a drastic reduction in youth participation reducing the talent pool isn't gonna already have this effect on CFB in the next 20-30 years.

It may. But this is not going to be good for 80% of schools and 90% of college athletes. It most likely will result in a reduction of opportunity overall.

[OLJWales]

That's such a dumb ****ing statement. I was on a full ride to MSU and I worked in school too. Why can't athletes do the same?

because maybe they have other duties being an SEC athlete vs a political science major? You want our players working 30 hrs a week at Papa Johns?

I'm a believer in stipends and what not but this is gonna kill small market football teams. This rule is gonna KILL us in recruiting. I can't believe they pulled this shit off. Well maybe I do believe and I think we all know why. Shit.

[Political Hack]

You act like CTE, insurance, and a drastic reduction in youth participation reducing the talent pool isn't gonna already have this effect on CFB in the next 20-30 years.

People who aren't around youth football don't know how bad it is. If the sports survives another 25 years I'll be surprised.

[Maroonthirteen]

I think it would have been big news if some college kid got a $5,000 to $10,000 IRS bill.

I was referring to the guys accepting the brides. But $5-$10k of omitted income ($1-$3k tax loss) is a speck of sand in relation to the tax collected each year.

[hp22]

It sounds like an opportunity for the runners of the world to legitimize their business.

[Irondawg]

A guy on Wimberly’s show made a good point:

What’s to keep Nike and UA and Addidas from sponsoring whole teams and creating powerhouse programs at schools of their choosing

[parabrave]

A guy on Wimberly’s show made a good point:

What’s to keep Nike and UA and Addidas from sponsoring whole teams and creating powerhouse programs at schools of their choosing

They are already doing this.

[Irondawg]

They are already doing this.

In basketball yes - not as much in football (other than maybe Nike and Oregon)

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Dammit!! This is bad for State!! Now there is NO way we can compete for 5 star playe.......oh wait we haven't ever been able to anyway.

[Jack Lambert]

In basketball yes - not as much in football (other than maybe Nike and Oregon)

NIKE owns Oregon Football. They are a playing advertiser for NIKE.

[MoreCowbell]

Feel free to logically back it up. Why shouldn't academic scholarships be taxed too then? Would they only be taxed if the academic recipient took a job on the side? Just ****ing think about it for a second instead of getting wound up that folks putting 3-5 years of their lives and basically full time work hours into a sport that produces hundreds of millions of dollars are finally going to be rightfully able to make a little money off it.

Dude relax

[MoreCowbell]

People who aren't around youth football don't know how bad it is. If the sports survives another 25 years I'll be surprised.

I haven’t been around youth football since I played it in the late 90s early 2000s, what has changed so much? Genuinely curious

[MoreCowbell]

If Jersey sales and autographs and stuff like that are allowed it might actually help us with the Scott Lashleys and Nigel Knotts of the world coming here and getting exposure/playing time as opposed to riding the line at Bama. I could be wrong just thinking out loud

[Dawgology]

If Jersey sales and autographs and stuff like that are allowed it might actually help us with the Scott Lashleys and Nigel Knotts of the world coming here and getting exposure/playing time as opposed to riding the line at Bama. I could be wrong just thinking out loud

Nope. MSU: "we have 65,000 fans that show up and will want your autograph!" Bama: "we have 65,000 fans show up...for the Spring Game. We have 100,000+ that will show up on the weekend and want your autograph."

[Dawgology]

Nope. MSU: "we have 65,000 fans that show up and will want your autograph!" Bama: "we have 65,000 fans show up...for the Spring Game. We have 100,000+ that will show up on the weekend and want your autograph."

ETA: There will be tricks with autographs and jerseys also. I can see schools guaranteeing $5,000 of "autograph sales" per month.

[Liverpooldawg]

A guy on Wimberly?s show made a good point:

What?s to keep Nike and UA and Addidas from sponsoring whole teams and creating powerhouse programs at schools of their choosing

nothing

[MoreCowbell]

Nope. MSU: "we have 65,000 fans that show up and will want your autograph!" Bama: "we have 65,000 fans show up...for the Spring Game. We have 100,000+ that will show up on the weekend and want your autograph."

Nobody wants a 3rd string OL’s autograph at Bama. Come here and get PT or start and people would buy his jersey and autograph just for a being big time signee.

[Dawgology]

Nobody wants a 3rd string OL’s autograph at Bama. Come here and get PT or start and people would buy his jersey and autograph just for a being big time signee.

You would be suprised and I'm almost positive a booster (or several) would happily buy 100 autographs a month at $50 per to get a recruit. I mean, if they can make money of signed jerseys and pictures then it's the wild west.