Players tweets

[MetEdDawg]

I've seen a lot of current players tweeting support for Moorhead. Lot of kids saying trust the process, lot of kids defending Moorhead. And they are doing it publicly. Team captains, kids suspended, etc.

Here's my question. I know some folks will believe this is a ploy and the university is trying to get players to pump up Moorhead for another job. Is it possible, even remotely possible, that there are major changes regarding the culture and personnel taking place that we aren't privy to and that it may be causing some issues on the field?

I have a hard time believing a ton of kids on the team would just be randomly tweeting support for a coach that is currently 3-4. Usually they wouldn't tweet anything or would tweet something personal about themselves doing better.

Something that makes you wonder...

[Dawgology]

Major changes in regards to what?

[DawgRockur]

Players loved Croom too.

[Todd4State]

I think it's possible. But not likely.

I think there is some major damage control going on right now.

If they want me to believe it- they need to beat A&M and Arkansas.

[Mobile Bay]

Players loved Croom too.

Hell I loved Croom to an extent too. Yeah we may have run offtackle three times in a row for four or five straight drives. But at least our players executed it well and played with hard ass intensity. I also knew that our players were doing right on and off the field.

So far sloppy Joe has given us a field of confused grabastic players, a sideline completely checked out, and NCAA penalties from his own lack of discipline. People keep talking about his record. Do not forget we won zero games last year. They were all vacated because Sloppy Joe couldn't monitor his team and instill discipline in them. This is why we have a fat slow sloppy team this year.

Jesus Christ, we look like a monkey ****ing a football out there.

Garrett Schrader excluded.

[Really Clark?]

It happens with players wanting to keep their coach.

https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Texas-players-tweet-their-fierce-support-for-Charlie-Strong-49144410/#49144410_1

[Jack Lambert]

Hell I loved Croom to an extent too. Yeah we may have run offtackle three times in a row for four or five straight drives. But at least our players executed it well and played with hard ass intensity. I also knew that our players were doing right on and off the field.

So far sloppy Joe has given us a field of confused grabastic players, a sideline completely checked out, and NCAA penalties from his own lack of discipline. People keep talking about his record. Do not forget we won zero games last year. They were all vacated because Sloppy Joe couldn't monitor his team and instill discipline in them. This is why we have a fat slow sloppy team this year.

Jesus Christ, we look like a monkey ****ing a football out there.

Garrett Schrader excluded.

Watched many monkey ****ing footballs to know that?**** Just messing with you.

[Cowbell]

Those same players were probably tweeting about how they were ready to play 2019 before the first ball game too.

[bobtail bob]

All it tells me is the desperation has made it inside the locker room . He's playing the sympathy card again through the players. Just another form of "my daughter heard somebody cuss daddy " . He's weak, desperate and doesn't know what to do. Best thing for everyone is to reach a going away package being the scenes and come up with something like Urban Meyer's heart problem. Let him quietly and end this embarrassment

[Homedawg]

I've seen a lot of current players tweeting support for Moorhead. Lot of kids saying trust the process, lot of kids defending Moorhead. And they are doing it publicly. Team captains, kids suspended, etc.

Here's my question. I know some folks will believe this is a ploy and the university is trying to get players to pump up Moorhead for another job. Is it possible, even remotely possible, that there are major changes regarding the culture and personnel taking place that we aren't privy to and that it may be causing some issues on the field?

I have a hard time believing a ton of kids on the team would just be randomly tweeting support for a coach that is currently 3-4. Usually they wouldn't tweet anything or would tweet something personal about themselves doing better.

Something that makes you wonder...

Good for them. Honestly. Jomo is a really nice guy. I'd love for him to succeed. I'm hope they want to for him....

[Todd4State]

All it tells me is the desperation has made it inside the locker room . He's playing the sympathy card again through the players. Just another form of "my daughter heard somebody cuss daddy " . He's weak, desperate and doesn't know what to do. Best thing for everyone is to reach a going away package being the scenes and come up with something like Urban Meyer's heart problem. Let him quietly and end this embarrassment

I Joe Moorhead and stepping down because of a serious condition of chronic explosive diarrhea that has affected my play calling.

[Fader21]

I highly doubt Joe, Cohen, our social media person, etc. went to the players and begged them to put positive vibes out on Twitter. Of course we are not privyed to what's going on in house and everything is all guesses. My guess is some seniors or captains held a players only meeting.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

[msstate7]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

Coaches shouldn't be judged by what the players think of them anyway. Joe should be replaced bc he's a subpar coach

[War Machine Dawg]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

This. I don't think you can read anything into it. It's more telling to me that Matt Wyatt has been given the head nod to lay into our coaching staff. That can only mean that the wheels are in motion to oust Jughead one way or another if the rest of the season plays out the way we all think it will.

[TrapGame]

Watched many monkey ****ing footballs to know that?**** Just messing with you.

I think "monkey ****ing football" is the top search on Pornhub today.***


Coaches shouldn't be judged by what the players think of them anyway. Joe should be replaced bc he's a subpar coach

This. All of it.

[dawgday166]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

Agree with this. Most times IMO if players don't care that he's gone they probably not gonna say anything. But if they like the coach they probably will. I do think that Joe is probably a players coach .. and probably too much of one.

The players that probably don't care or would prefer that he leaves either aren't playing anymore or waiting to transfer out.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Coaches shouldn't be judged by what the players think of them anyway. Joe should be replaced bc he's a subpar coach

Where did I argue or even imply otherwise. I never said what should or shouldn't be done.

[Homedawg]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

Agree.

[Todd4State]

I'm not a Joe apologist at all but in this situation he's in a no win. If players were on social media constantly blasting him or complaining it would be "see he's lost the team". Now that players are seemingly showing support for him it's "this is just another ploy by Joe". Just my .2 cents.

The reason it's a no win situation is it feels like a charade. Just like last week with his daughter crying. Something is up when you have several players tweeting this at the same time on a Monday.

Fans are tired of the PR games and actually want to win football games.

[shoeless joe]

They’ve prolly just heard the rumors that a change may be made and they’re afraid the new coach will come in and instill discipline and accountability and demand actual effort in regards to our strength and conditioning program. Remember how all the players loved jomo in comparison to Mullen when the first got here.

[msstate7]

They’ve prolly just heard the rumors that a change may be made and they’re afraid the new coach will come in and instill discipline and accountability and demand actual effort in regards to our strength and conditioning program. Remember how all the players loved jomo in comparison to Mullen when the first got here.

Well water parks are more fun than the farm**

[Ifyouonlyknew]

The reason it's a no win situation is it feels like a charade. Just like last week with his daughter crying. Something is up when you have several players tweeting this at the same time on a Monday.

Fans are tired of the PR games and actually want to win football games.

But it doesn't. It's just a narrative made up by fans to pin some more stuff on Joe. PR move?? That makes 0 sense. You think he went around the locker room asking guys to tweet out support? The truth is there's 101 reasons to be bashing Joe for his job performance there's no need to drum up made up BS like this to complain more.

[timotheus]

just wait til abilene is leading at halftime.........

[bluelightstar]

I loved my pushover substitute teacher too

[dawgday166]

But it doesn't. It's just a narrative made up by fans to pin some more stuff on Joe. PR move?? That makes 0 sense. You think he went around the locker room asking guys to tweet out support? The truth is there's 101 reasons to be bashing Joe for his job performance there's no need to drum up made up BS like this to complain more.

That's the surest way to lose respect IMO.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

That's the surest way to lose respect IMO.

Which is why no coach would actually do that. Anybody that even thinks there's a chance it could happen has never been in a locker room.

[Todd4State]

But it doesn't. It's just a narrative made up by fans to pin some more stuff on Joe. PR move?? That makes 0 sense. You think he went around the locker room asking guys to tweet out support? The truth is there's 101 reasons to be bashing Joe for his job performance there's no need to drum up made up BS like this to complain more.

It also makes zero sense for them to all tweet similar things at the same time as well. That hasn't happened before as best as I can recall. So why now? I didn't say that Joe told them to do that nor do I think he did. Personally I think it's probably coming from MSU. Which makes sense because MSU and the players both want fans to come out and support them even though the product is substandard.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It also makes zero sense for them to all tweet similar things at the same time as well. That hasn't happened before as best as I can recall. So why now? I didn't say that Joe told them to do that nor do I think he did. Personally I think it's probably coming from MSU. Which makes sense because MSU and the players both want fans to come out and support them even though the product is substandard.

So you think the administration from MSU got the players to tweet out in support of Joe? Wow is all I can say.

[yjnkdawg]

It also makes zero sense for them to all tweet similar things at the same time as well. That hasn't happened before as best as I can recall. So why now? I didn't say that Joe told them to do that nor do I think he did. Personally I think it's probably coming from MSU. Which makes sense because MSU and the players both want fans to come out and support them even though the product is substandard.

It seems to makes more sense than your current thinking. Try telling the players that you want them to tweet something that they don't agree with and see how it turns out. Probably makes more sense that they are doing it because that is what they want to do, but think what you want.

[Commercecomet24]

The players genuinely like joe and support what he's trying to do and I'm sure they're hearing the noise so it wouldn't be something crazy for them to show him some support. That being said if they really want to show it go out and win some games that'll help more than anything.

[yjnkdawg]

The players genuinely like joe and support what he's trying to do and I'm sure they're hearing the noise so it wouldn't be something crazy for them to show him some support. That being said if they really want to show it go out and win some games that'll help more than anything.



Yep!

[Todd4State]

So you think the administration from MSU got the players to tweet out in support of Joe? Wow is all I can say.

Then why did they do it all at the same time? And yes- MSU puts out misinformation all the time. "Garrett Shrader is hurt and that's why Tommy Stevens is starting against Tennessee." That was two weeks ago.

Whether they did it on their own or not-it's weird and not something that they normally do. And I'm not sure why that's up for debate.

[Todd4State]

The players genuinely like joe and support what he's trying to do and I'm sure they're hearing the noise so it wouldn't be something crazy for them to show him some support. That being said if they really want to show it go out and win some games that'll help more than anything.

I think above all the MSU players genuinely for the most part love MSU. And I think that they support MSU. I've met some of them and I think our players are for the most part good people and are True Maroon.

At the same time I think that they are frustrated by what has been going on and the results. So, I hope that they get some real leadership and direction that they deserve to have really soon.

[Commercecomet24]

I think above all the MSU players genuinely for the most part love MSU. And I think that they support MSU. I've met some of them and I think our players are for the most part good people and are True Maroon.

At the same time I think that they are frustrated by what has been going on and the results. So, I hope that they get some real leadership and direction that they deserve to have really soon.

Yep I agree with this.

[msbulldog]

The players genuinely like joe and support what he's trying to do and I'm sure they're hearing the noise so it wouldn't be something crazy for them to show him some support. That being said if they really want to show it go out and win some games that'll help more than anything.

Truth, CC.

[BrunswickDawg]

Then why did they do it all at the same time? And yes- MSU puts out misinformation all the time. "Garrett Shrader is hurt and that's why Tommy Stevens is starting against Tennessee." That was two weeks ago.

Whether they did it on their own or not-it's weird and not something that they normally do. And I'm not sure why that's up for debate.

Maybe because they spend a lot of time together one guy said "we need to support coach" and other guys followed. Players also tend to take a coach under heat personally if they like them. Dixon has talked about this some over the years - says many were pissed when Croom was let go because the players felt like they let Croom down.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

All it tells me is the desperation has made it inside the locker room . He's playing the sympathy card again through the players. Just another form of "my daughter heard somebody cuss daddy " . He's weak, desperate and doesn't know what to do. Best thing for everyone is to reach a going away package being the scenes and come up with something like Urban Meyer's heart problem. Let him quietly and end this embarrassment

We've gone from Mullen and his country club staff on recruiting to a soft, country club vibe throughout the program.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

So you think the administration from MSU got the players to tweet out in support of Joe? Wow is all I can say.

You are correct on all of this. Too many people in this thread are seeing some grand conspiracy theory in everything. Thanks for being the voice of reason. It's like some people can't think rationally or understand how locker rooms and sports function. Like the ones that say "I would have fired Coach ______ at halftime". It makes my head hurt.

[dawgday166]

Maybe because they spend a lot of time together one guy said "we need to support coach" and other guys followed. Players also tend to take a coach under heat personally if they like them. Dixon has talked about this some over the years - says many were pissed when Croom was let go because the players felt like they let Croom down.

Exactly. A couple of players thought of it and got the others to join in on it.

[FISHDAWG]

Players loved Croom too.

Not many did

[timotheus]

As far as tweeting goes, I am pretty sure that maintaining a positive vibe has been mentioned to the team. Other than that, there is no coordinated effort to pump sunshine either way.

[hacker]

It could've been completely organic too. One player tweets support for Joe, another player sees it and decides to do the same, then other players see those tweets and join in.

It didn't even have to be discussed at all. That's how the internet works.

[MadDawg]

just wait til abilene is leading at halftime.........

God our fans suck.

[TimberBeast]

Not many did

This is correct, I’m sure some did but there were plenty that did not.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It also makes zero sense for them to all tweet similar things at the same time as well. That hasn't happened before as best as I can recall. So why now? I didn't say that Joe told them to do that nor do I think he did. Personally I think it's probably coming from MSU. Which makes sense because MSU and the players both want fans to come out and support them even though the product is substandard.

It may be the same way 95% of our fans all started posting bullshit about JoMo at the same time. Maybe it was a direct reaction to some of the message board superheroes on here.
JoMo is my guy. I don't care. I do not believe anything has changed based on his limitations this year. I hate how KSU and UT went down, but look at it this way....

10 players suspended, changes every week. Oline injuries.

KSU game: Up until Tommy's injury, we were executing at a very high level on offense for early in the season. Shrader comes in and does great with a limited playbook due to his lack of experience.
Kentucky: Shrader plays well. We beat Kentucky, but our entire team looks like we lost a step. But our starter is out.
AU - Tommy back, offense is off beat due to the back and forth at QB and OL being banged up. On the road. Tommy's first start in a hostile area. Shrader's arm doesn't look good, probably still injured. Perfect storm. Shrader comes in and starts doing well.
UT after the bye week. Tommy is healthier, but it has been a month since he took live snaps in a game. Out of sync. Shrader comes in and does better, but UT was in control of the game early and didn't even let us get a foothold. Even then, we were one or two plays away from winning it.

LSU - They are the better team. We have 10 players suspended.

Now, each week we have different personnel on the defensive side. Regardless, that is harmful as shit against building a system.
Each week we are down specific OL personnel. If JoMo would have started Shrader from day 1, we would be better overall and probably do not lose UT or KSU. But hindsight is 20/20. In the two games Tommy played, our offense worked much more like we all think it should. So we all would bench a 5th year senior 1st year starter with 4 years experience to start a true freshmen game 1 this season? No way.


Edited to add the following:

Our team looks out of position almost every single play on defense. We are a second late, and even when we do get there, the refuse to just tackle the guy and move on, giving up YAC.

Our team tries to keep everything in front of them on the backside. Why do they give them extra space on slants and pretty much every single play.....? Cause we cannot stop the run with the front 7. Our system last year was great because the front 4 did everything. When they were getting after the qb, our dbs didn't have to cover for 7 seconds. When a running play was coming, they kept the OL off of our LBs. Our entire defense currently is exposed by our lack of DL play. Simple as that. What is JoMo supposed to do. He brought in like 6 dlinemen this year. But, he cannot cover the hole left on the dline in one recruiting cycle. That is on the previous staff. The guys he brought in are young 1, and 2 some are suspended or injured from the get go.

Offense, he bought in big with Tommy. Tommy has been one of his guys since 2016 I think. Kind of like Nick was one of Mullen's guys. Sorry, but there is no way we start Shrader from game 1. It is obvious, whatever hurt Stevens in the KSU game.... I think he has a partially torn labrum or seperated shoulder or something, has continued to effect him more than any of us know. He is just healthy enough for Jo to keep giving him a shot. If he starts Shrader against UT, we win that game. IF is a big word though. If Tommy comes out ready to play, we win too. Then there is the KT situation. Which is totally JoMo's doing. I still believe if we start KT all last year, we still win 8 last year and we are in better position this year, but that is not what happened. Mayden and KT not playing a snap this year, reeks of something going on. KT's transfer portal thing pretty much gives us all we need to know about that situation, but Mayden being one of the tutor10 gives me pause to his ability to lead this team from the correct standing, IMHO. All I know, with each player we have a different ceiling. I for one am glad we are using this year to get Shrader reps and take his lumps now more than next year.

So what are you genius proposing we do? You guys know all of this information. What ability JoMo has to build on and learn from last years mistakes, met a very terrible set of circumstances this year. We have all been on a team where we knew the team was not as good as we are used to. Generally speaking the effort level drops early on. Some cynicism builds throughout the team, but in some of the better players as well. People start to try to do too much by themselves on the field. Teamwork starts to lack. Generally everyone is playing worse than they could. Then add in all the fan bullshit on top of that.

Now given, we hate seeing disarray on the offense side of ball. We hate seeing our defense keep letting people just get yard after yard after missed tackles. But shit guys, this all doesn't happen in a vacuum. The only thing we can control, is our effort and execution. That is where Joe needs to get back to. People refuse to block on the outside, pull them. If they refuse to turn up field for the hard 2 yards and try to bounce it outside every time, bench them. We suck anyway given all the reasons above. Might as well stick to our principles and make sure the effort we are giving is what we want, regardless of who is loafing. That is what Joe can do at this point. IF he does take a hard line on effort, you will see our guys start to get their heads right, and our team will be better for it moving forward.

Again, firing Joe based on all this bullshit is not my first priority. My first priority is to see how he is addressing the shit pile of crap this season has given him.

[BB30]

Hell I loved Croom to an extent too. Yeah we may have run offtackle three times in a row for four or five straight drives. But at least our players executed it well and played with hard ass intensity. I also knew that our players were doing right on and off the field.

So far sloppy Joe has given us a field of confused grabastic players, a sideline completely checked out, and NCAA penalties from his own lack of discipline. People keep talking about his record. Do not forget we won zero games last year. They were all vacated because Sloppy Joe couldn't monitor his team and instill discipline in them. This is why we have a fat slow sloppy team this year.

Jesus Christ, we look like a monkey ****ing a football out there.

Garrett Schrader excluded.

You must not remember a whole lot about the Croom years. We didn't execute well and were in fact at times just as sloppy if nor more so than we are now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

It could've been completely organic too. One player tweets support for Joe, another player sees it and decides to do the same, then other players see those tweets and join in.

It didn't even have to be discussed at all. That's how the internet works.

Dude, you have to give them more of a exact situation they can understand......
It's like one dumb ass decides that JoMo looked at his sister/mother the wrong way. So he posts some bullshit that really has nothing to do with Joe's coaching ability. After a few posts, other people decide they should get in on this cause Joe once wore shorts to practice. 1 poster convinces 3 other guys, they convince 9 other guys, and they convince 81 other guys. Then Russia wins.

You see how that happens.

[Lord McBuckethead]

You must not remember a whole lot about the Croom years. We didn't execute well and were in fact at times just as sloppy if nor more so than we are now.

God we were terrible during Croom. Like there were games we not only wouldn't gain yards, I think we actually had to choose not to. That is why Mullen's entire first 3 years pretty much discussed how every single play is a bust on someone's execution.

[chef dixon]

There is more overthinking in this thread than I have probably ever seen before on this site, and that's saying something.