Norvell

[BuckyIsAB****]

6-1 right now, could have easily beaten UCF a year ago, 32-15 at Memphis, UCA grad, recruits our area already. Makes too much sense. Get it done Cohen.

[CadaverDawg]

Cohen isn't going to hire a guy with many rumored skeletons in his closet after his Cannizzaro hire. I agree that Norvell would be a good hire, but it ain't happening with Cohen. Many other AD's won't either, which is probably why he's still at Memphis

[BuckyIsAB****]

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[BuckyIsAB****]

Cohen isn't going to hire a guy with many rumored skeletons in his closet after his Cannizzaro hire. I agree that Norvell would be a good hire, but it ain't happening with Cohen. Many other AD's won't either, which is why he's still at Memphis

If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculation

[War Machine Dawg]

He's who I wanted when we hired Jughead. Kept that train rolling at Memphis after Fuente left when I thought they'd fall off a cliff. Entertaining offense that puts points on the board. The key would be making sure he has a good DC. I don't give a damn if he likes the casinos, the sumbitch wins football games. And that's what you're paying a coach to do last time I checked.

[War Machine Dawg]

If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculation


This. It's one thing if he'd covered up a rape ring like Briles did. That should get you banned from coaching for life. But gambling? Hell no. Pull the trigger and get him in here.

[CadaverDawg]

If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculation

Can't say I disagree with you. But you and I both know Cohen is scared to screw up with another Cannizzaro situation in fear for his own future. Sucks, but I'm afraid it's true. Maybe he'll surprise us though.

[CadaverDawg]

This. It's one thing if he'd covered up a rape ring like Briles did. That should get you banned from coaching for life. But gambling? Hell no. Pull the trigger and get him in here.

I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He's who I wanted when we hired Jughead. Kept that train rolling at Memphis after Fuente left when I thought they'd fall off a cliff. Entertaining offense that puts points on the board. The key would be making sure he has a good DC. I don't give a damn if he likes the casinos, the sumbitch wins football games. And that's what you're paying a coach to do last time I checked.

The one he has now at Memphis was good at Marshall and has done pretty well there. Adam Fuller. If there is a more proven DC somwhere Im for that but I wouldnt be pissed if he brought him with him.

Derek Nicholson at USM is also a name to watch. He is a good coach and fun to be around. Good recruiter as well

[timotheus]

Cohen, I hope is currently worried bout his own future with this sloppy joe guy.

[CadaverDawg]

Cohen, I hope is currently worried bout his own future with this sloppy joe guy.

Agree

[BuckyIsAB****]

Agree

The interview he had with Finebaum the other day was bad. You could tell Cohen was biting his tongue really hard. I heard him unleash an absolute ring dinger on the State baseball team at Trustmark park in 2015. You could just tell he wanted to lose his shit on Pawl. Finebaum kind of had him in a corner, Cohen isnt dumb, he knows Moorhead aint it

[War Machine Dawg]

I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.

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[BuckyIsAB****]

I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.

If Cohen doesnt get the next football hire right he is risking his own job way worse than he would be by hiring Norvell

[CadaverDawg]

If Cohen doesnt get the next football hire right he is risking his own job way worse than he would be by hiring Norvell

Very true.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Very true.

It probably wont happen bc it is too close to being the right hire. It makes too much sense

[Todd4State]

It probably wont happen bc it is too close to being the right hire. It makes too much sense

It's going to take our cigar boys making the hire to make it right if we're all being honest with ourselves. Just have Cohen stand there and hand the Norvell a cowbell at the press conference should be the extent of his involvement.

[timotheus]

the cigar boys are currently a puffing.....

[Maroonthirteen]

I’m in Memphis every day. Around tigers fans everyday. I talk football often with them. I’ve never heard of these “rumors”. I’m not saying they aren’t true. But if we hired him, I doubt anyone would mention his dark secrets in the bio.

Most likely y’all are being played by Highland Hundreds to look elsewhere.

[Dawgology]

These rumors are bullshit floated out to keep some top programs from outbidding for their coach. You guys, don't be suckers. He's a head coach at Memphis right now and everything is fine. He and that program are doing great. Why will a move to another school all of a sudden make these rumors important. Ya'll are being played. If Cohen doesn't grab him up after this season ending at 4-8/5-7 (which I think it will) then we know we have the wrong football HC and the wrong AD.

[Fader21]

Of course I have heard the rumors also, not necessarily from message boards. I could care less if he goes to the casino, as we all blow off steam in our own ways. Just don't be betting on your own team (point shaving conspiracy). The other rumors I have heard isn't the Canny type, but more on the line of Petrino type without motorcycles. In essence I would be fine with the hire, only because he has a smoking hot wife, and if he wanted to cheat on that I would be fine tending to her.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The interview he had with Finebaum the other day was bad. You could tell Cohen was biting his tongue really hard. I heard him unleash an absolute ring dinger on the State baseball team at Trustmark park in 2015. You could just tell he wanted to lose his shit on Pawl. Finebaum kind of had him in a corner, Cohen isnt dumb, he knows Moorhead aint it

I watched him kick all the kids out of the stadium his first year at State and dog cuss the baseball team on the steps of the dugout after a Friday night loss. That's the Cohen I want back.

[Cooterpoot]

Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.

That conference is waaay down this year too. It’s bad.

[Maroonthirteen]

Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.

That conference is waaay down this year too. It?s bad.

Now I buy all that. A shame they don?t play Tennessee more often or other P5 opponents to really see where they are. With that said though, they absolutely shut down OM that first game. OM could have played 8 quarters that day and not tied that game up.

[Memphisbulldog]

I?m in Memphis every day. Around tigers fans everyday. I talk football often with them. I?ve never heard of these ?rumors?. I?m not saying they aren?t true. But if we hired him, I doubt anyone would mention his dark secrets in the bio.

Most likely y?all are being played by Highland Hundreds to look elsewhere.

I live in Memphis. I like Norvell.The message board rumors have ranged from gambling to women to drugs. And all act like they have the inside scoop even though there are three rumor categories. I have several friends very close to the UM athletic department. Not a one of them have a clue what this situation supposedly is. If there was any truth to any of this, these guys would know. I don't buy it.

[TALL DAWG]

Of course I have heard the rumors also, not necessarily from message boards. I could care less if he goes to the casino, as we all blow off steam in our own ways. Just don't be betting on your own team (point shaving conspiracy). The other rumors I have heard isn't the Canny type, but more on the line of Petrino type without motorcycles. In essence I would be fine with the hire, only because he has a smoking hot wife, and if he wanted to cheat on that I would be fine tending to her.

Fader21...with the fade pass in corner of end zone....for the win...😎

[DogsofAnarchy]

Cohen isn't going to hire a guy with many rumored skeletons in his closet after his Cannizzaro hire. I agree that Norvell would be a good hire, but it ain't happening with Cohen. Many other AD's won't either, which is probably why he's still at Memphis

He will be at Ole Miss soon. The reason he is still at Memphis, he has been learning. And he is a GREAT communicator. The rumors about his skeletons fascinate me. Not one single person, I have ever heard, can give a single fact about any of the rumors. Before you ask, yes I know him personally, and those rumors are absolutely bull shot!! So it’s not any supposed rumors, its Cohen not being able to see talent in a coach. It’s all about the communication and if it’s normal and straight forward Cohen doesn’t like it. For Cohen, a coach has to be the most sophisticated person in the room, the smartest guy on the planet. Coach has to uphold MSU’s crystal clean image. Loser.

[Coach34]

Cohen isn't going to hire a guy with many rumored skeletons in his closet after his Cannizzaro hire. I agree that Norvell would be a good hire, but it ain't happening with Cohen. Many other AD's won't either, which is probably why he's still at Memphis

The guy likes women and cards? So what? Be careful who we hire to work in the football office

[Liverpooldawg]

There have been some big programs sniffing around him the last couple of years. They always back away. There is something there or he would already be at one of them.

[Cooterpoot]

The rumor is a gambling issue. It’s been out there awhile. Like, betting on games that involve his team. So, there’s that. I’m more concerned he just doesn’t play or beat anyone that’s very good.

[Pipedream]

Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.

That conference is waaay down this year too. It?s bad.

The AAC West (the division Memphis is in) is above both divisions of the ACC as far as average quality of team per Sagarin, so I'm pushing back on that last part. Their division is tougher than some power5 divisions right now. I'm not over the moon on Norvell, but there's worse hires.

[Cooterpoot]

The AAC West (the division Memphis is in) is above both divisions of the ACC as far as average quality of team per Sagarin, so I'm pushing back on that last part. Their division is tougher than some power5 divisions right now. I'm not over the moon on Norvell, but there's worse hires.

No it’s not. Sagarin is right about as much as Norvell is betting. That conference is close to coming apart. Tulane and Houston aren’t good this year. UCF isn’t as good as usual. That conference is down. If Memphis is their bell cow, they struggled with bottom feeding OM before Plumlee was even QB.

[Johnson85]

If Cohen doesnt get the next football hire right he is risking his own job way worse than he would be by hiring Norvell

^^This^^ I have no clue if Norvell is the right hire. And I don't hold the Joe hire against Cohen at all. It looked like a great hire that checked all the right boxes. It's just never a sure thing if you are not getting a Saban or Meyer.

But even so, if he makes a bad hire two times in a row, even if they both look good without the benefit of hindsight, it will probably be a job killer for him. A guy that does well before having to go b/c of scandal won't hurt him nearly as badly as a guy that comes in and flops from the get go, and if he really thinks NOrvell is the guy but for the supposed skeletons, he needs to ignore the skeletons and hire him.

[Pipedream]

No it?s not. Sagarin is right about as much as Norvell is betting. That conference is close to coming apart. Tulane and Houston aren?t good this year. UCF isn?t as good as usual. That conference is down. If Memphis is their bell cow, they struggled with bottom feeding OM before Plumlee was even QB.

Oh ok. I'll just take your word over a system that's been doing this well for like 30 years. He's 80% overall and 53% ats. If Norvell was that good, he wouldn't be coaching football. The ACC is awful and the AAC West is better than them at the time being.

[Really Clark?]

Oh ok. I'll just take your word over a system that's been doing this well for like 30 years. He's 80% overall and 53% ats. If Norvell was that good, he wouldn't be coaching football. The ACC is awful and the AAC West is better than them at the time being.

I get what the ratings are saying but head to head vs the ACC (small sample because of limited games vs ACC and you have throw in Notre Dame) you have to go back to the 2017 bowl game where Navy beat Virginia badly. Other than that the last 3 years the AAC west is 0-4 vs ACC (Wake Forest twice and Notre Dame vs Navy twice). So while they play good ball and the division has been very competitive, head to head vs ACC they haven’t really done much.

[Pipedream]

I get what the ratings are saying but head to head vs the ACC (small sample because of limited games vs ACC and you have throw in Notre Dame) you have to go back to the 2017 bowl game where Navy beat Virginia badly. Other than that the last 3 years the AAC west is 0-4 vs ACC (Wake Forest twice and Notre Dame vs Navy twice). So while they play good ball and the division has been very competitive, head to head vs ACC they haven?t really done much.

Sagarin isn't saying anything about the last 3 years. Just that this season to date that the AAC West has been superior to both divisions of the ACC and I believe he uses average team rating/division to calculate that.

[vv83]

I?m in Memphis every day. Around tigers fans everyday. I talk football often with them. I?ve never heard of these ?rumors?. I?m not saying they aren?t true. But if we hired him, I doubt anyone would mention his dark secrets in the bio.

Most likely y?all are being played by Highland Hundreds to look elsewhere.

This is false. All the Memphis grads I work with were jokingly talking about how they're glad he has a gambling problem when Arkansas passed on him and he stayed at Memphis. It's a very prevalent topic with them

[Really Clark?]

Sagarin isn't saying anything about the last 3 years. Just that this season to date that the AAC West has been superior to both divisions of the ACC and I believe he uses average team rating/division to calculate that.

I understand that and they are barely above the ACC both divisions right now. 53% ATS is really good but it’s just a little better than a coin flip. When the few games have actually been played between the divisions and Wake Forest is solid but not a power team, they have lost. Again small sample size and none this year but I think you have to take what has happened head to head in recent past in consideration. If the ACC is awful like you stated and I am not arguing that, then the AAC west is right there with them. 1 point separates the 3 divisions right now in the rankings...they are basically the same in the Sagarin numbers

[Pipedream]

I understand that and they are barely above the ACC both divisions right now. 53% ATS is really good but it?s just a little better than a coin flip. When the few games have actually been played between the divisions and Wake Forest is solid but not a power team, they have lost. Again small sample size and none this year but I think you have to take what has happened head to head in recent past in consideration. If the ACC is awful like you stated and I am not arguing that, then the AAC west is right there with them. 1 point separates the 3 divisions right now in the rankings...they are basically the same in the Sagarin numbers

Which is to say, the AAC West is as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions, thus making it not weak IMO. For a non power 5 division to be as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions shows a relative strength to me.

[Cooterpoot]

Look at the schedules these teams play. The best they can do is beat bottom feeding teams in P5s. And those games are close games. Temple, who beat Memphis, lost to freaking Buffalo. Jesus, that league isn’t good.

[Really Clark?]

Which is to say, the AAC West is as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions, thus making it not weak IMO. For a non power 5 division to be as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions shows a relative strength to me.

Yeah but you called the ACC awful...they are right there with them then. I think the AAC west is a good division but I also don’t just take a computer ranking and that be the end all be all. It’s a good competitive division I just don’t see it above the ACC yet when looking at actual games played recently

[biggun]

I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.

He should be at risk his own job with the Moorhead hire

[Pipedream]

Yeah but you called the ACC awful...they are right there with them then. I think the AAC west is a good division but I also don?t just take a computer ranking and that be the end all be all. It?s a good competitive division I just don?t see it above the ACC yet when looking at actual games played recently

Well, it's all relative, right? The ACC is weak for a power 5 conference, but the AAC is strong for a G5 division. Do you know how well those teams have to perform every game to jump the inherit sos advantage a power 5 conference has in the formula? It's pretty substantial. Doesn't have to be the end all be all, but there's multiple analytics rankings that feel the same way about this question. You think they're all wrong? So far you've brought up games for up to 3 years ago which have no relevance to this season.

[Percho]

Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.

That conference is waaay down this year too. It?s bad.

Well then, let's dig up the, Bear!

[dawgs]

If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculation

Art Briles is a HS coach now. He's not touching another college gig, especially not a P5 gig.

[Percho]

?

Who is the best coach, under 55 years of age, we could hire who would stay at MSU if he became a winner and even won the west and or SEC?

Names, please.

BTW I like Norvell. Would he stay if he could win at MSU even to Merlin's degree?

[Tbonewannabe]

?

Who is the best coach, under 55 years of age, we could hire who would stay at MSU if he became a winner and even won the west and or SEC?

Names, please.

BTW I like Norvell. Would he stay if he could win at MSU even to Merlin's degree?

The truth is that we have the cash to make it hard to leave but we are also capped at a 4 year contract whereas other schools don't have that. A&M had to give Jimbo 10 years to get him. We don't have that option even if Urban Meyer wanted to come to MSU. Mullen left $6 Mil on the table but it was $6 Mil at 4 years. He got fulled guaranteed $6 Mil at 6 years. That is another $12 Mil guaranteed.

Saying that, we really shouldn't get poached by anyone but upper tier blue bloods with our available revenue now. We will always have the risk of losing our coach to someone like UF, UGA, or Bama but the likelyhood of losing someone to Rutgers that we actually want to keep is very small.

[ckDOG]

We would be fools not to hire Norvell. If he has a red flag that is scaring off big time programs then it is even more important we snag him as proven HCs in the prime of their careers do not sniff at our job.

Do we want a proven HC or do we not? Simple question. If yes, go get the man.

[HRTFXR]

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That's unfortunate...

[Percho]

The truth is that we have the cash to make it hard to leave but we are also capped at a 4 year contract whereas other schools don't have that. A&M had to give Jimbo 10 years to get him. We don't have that option even if Urban Meyer wanted to come to MSU. Mullen left $6 Mil on the table but it was $6 Mil at 4 years. He got fulled guaranteed $6 Mil at 6 years. That is another $12 Mil guaranteed.

Saying that, we really shouldn't get poached by anyone but upper tier blue bloods with our available revenue now. We will always have the risk of losing our coach to someone like UF, UGA, or Bama but the likelyhood of losing someone to Rutgers that we actually want to keep is very small.

I do not think it is about the money, other than, money as shown as prestige. I think for someone like M it was the appearance of prestige. Tenn is better than, Ga is better than, Miami is better than, Fl is better than.

He came here with that in mind. Who under 55 would stay as a winner, that has the possibility, as a coach, of being a winner?

[Tbonewannabe]

I do not think it is about the money, other than, money as shown as prestige. I think for someone like M it was the appearance of prestige. Tenn is better than, Ga is better than, Miami is better than, Fl is better than.

He came here with that in mind. Who under 55 would stay as a winner, that had the possibility as a coach, of being a winner?

I think for Mullen, it was where is it easier to recruit. He is a great on the field coach and everyone knows that you would have to be god awful to get worse than a top 25 recruiting class at UF. Now to get up into the top 10 then it takes some work but for someone that hates recruiting, it makes your job easier. He also immediately had the talent level to at least compete with UGA and Bama. He gets that talent every year without really working at it. That gets him closer to his goal of winning a National Title.

I do think he flirted with Maryland, 1.) for the money ie. longer contract than 4 years. 2.) they probably pitched some type of Oregon-Nike scenario with Under Armour backing. At the end of the day though, he left them hanging for the opportunity to interview with Miami which would be easier recruiting.

[Cooterpoot]

We would be fools not to hire Norvell. If he has a red flag that is scaring off big time programs then it is even more important we snag him as proven HCs in the prime of their careers do not sniff at our job.

Do we want a proven HC or do we not? Simple question. If yes, go get the man.

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

[Percho]

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

How does our talent compare with his?

[Cooterpoot]

How does our talent compare with his?

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

[Percho]

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

Is the talent on his team that much greater than the rest of the teams on his schedule?

Where do you believe he would finish with our team this and the last three years in our league? Where we finished? Worse than we finished? Better than we finished?

Compare him as a coach to Dan.

[Maroonthirteen]

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

Just noting.... as we all know....

Memphis beat OM at home to open the season. We shall see how it turns out for us.

[ckDOG]

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

Yes. Proven. As in showing he can win games on a consistent basis at a shitty football school. In the south. Recruiting players that grow up in the culture and high school systems we recruit from. What else do you need from someone we can actually hire? Are you suggesting our definition of proven should be an over performing HC in a strong conference at a historically mediocre program? If so, those coaches end up at Florida. Reset your evaluation of the market.

[Cooterpoot]

Yes. Proven. As in showing he can win games on a consistent basis at a shitty football school. In the south. Recruiting players that grow up in the culture and high school systems we recruit from. What else do you need from someone we can actually hire? Are you suggesting our definition of proven should be an over performing HC in a strong conference at a historically mediocre program? If so, those coaches end up at Florida. Reset your evaluation of the market.

Proven vs who? You guys can’t answer that, because they literally beat no damn body. I’ve already said if we take a G5 HC they should’ve at least won their damn shitty conference. What part of that did you not understand? Novell is who we’d go to if everybody else shot us down. At that point, you’d settle.

[Cooterpoot]

Just noting.... as we all know....

Memphis beat OM at home to open the season. We shall see how it turns out for us.

And Plumlee didn?t play. They struggled to put points on OM too.

[dawgs]

Proven vs who? You guys can’t answer that, because they literally beat no damn body. I’ve already said if we take a G5 HC they should’ve at least won their damn shitty conference. What part of that did you not understand? Novell is who we’d go to if everybody else shot us down. At that point, you’d settle.

We aren't pulling a winning HC from a P5 program unless there's something abnormal going on. I get what you are saying about Norvell, but he's also lost his conference to UCF who has been the best G5 program in the country the last 5 years. Call it shitty all you want but UCF regularly beat quality P5 programs when they got the chance. Cincy, SMU, and Houston are also no slouches at the G5 level the last 5 or so seasons. So we can holler about not winning his "shitty conference" all we want and it sounds good in a vacuum, but it's also ignoring some major factors that give context to the statement and we'd be fools to eliminate the guy because he lost to arguably the best G5 team since Boise st's prime in OT in the 2017 AAC conference championship game.

[ckDOG]

Proven vs who? You guys can?t answer that, because they literally beat no damn body. I?ve already said if we take a G5 HC they should?ve at least won their damn shitty conference. What part of that did you not understand? Novell is who we?d go to if everybody else shot us down. At that point, you?d settle.

Hey if you aren?t willing to let competition of a shitty program against relative talent let HC talent shine through I can?t help you. And if you think Mike Norvell isn?t at the top of the list of known commodities in the prime of their years you are in for disappointment. What coaches would shut us down before we went to Norvell? Pipe dreams that meet your proven standard and maybe Fritz and Clark - both who shouldn?t qualify as proven either if we are going to discount crap conference HCs.

[timotheus]

good thing we didn't have Memphis on the schedule this season.........

[Cooterpoot]

Hey if you aren?t willing to let competition of a shitty program against relative talent let HC talent shine through I can?t help you. And if you think Mike Norvell isn?t at the top of the list of known commodities in the prime of their years you are in for disappointment. What coaches would shut us down before we went to Norvell? Pipe dreams that meet your proven standard and maybe Fritz and Clark - both who shouldn?t qualify as proven either if we are going to discount crap conference HCs.

I discount overall performance vs quality competition when it?s a crap conference. The guy has literally beaten no one. Give me a quality proven assistant at a top program over him. Name Novell?s big wins...and you guys bitches about Mullen not beating ranked teams and floundering vs top programs. This guy can?t even win a bowl game. Imagine us never winning a bowl game under a coach. We?d be raising hell.
We hired a guy that was demoted from OC at UConn. John Cohen 17?d up that ?search?. He looked at one year at Penn St. And considering the talent they had, they underperformed. Novell has won nothing. Absolutely nothing. Expand your vision and look around. There are plenty of good coaches willing to take $5M and this job. But Cohen went $3M on this chump we?ve got.
I’ll ask again, who has he beaten? You’re still sitting on your hands.

[Cooterpoot]

A little more:

Wins over teams with winning records-
2016- 2
2017- 3
2018- 1
This year he has 3 but one is a SWAC team.

[Percho]

I discount overall performance vs quality competition when it?s a crap conference. The guy has literally beaten no one. Give me a quality proven assistant at a top program over him. Name Novell?s big wins...and you guys bitches about Mullen not beating ranked teams and floundering vs top programs. This guy can?t even win a bowl game. Imagine us never winning a bowl game under a coach. We?d be raising hell.
We hired a guy that was demoted from OC at UConn. John Cohen 17?d up that ?search?. He looked at one year at Penn St. And considering the talent they had, they underperformed. Novell has won nothing. Absolutely nothing. Expand your vision and look around. There are plenty of good coaches willing to take $5M and this job. But Cohen went $3M on this chump we?ve got.
I?ll ask again, who has he beaten? You?re still sitting on your hands.

Was Moorhead, a quality proven assistant, when we hired him? Would the national talking heads have considered him, a quality proven assistant?

Here is 5 mil, who would you hire?

How long will he stay, if he can win the west in his first 5 years?


Should we just go ahead and order the rings when we hire him?

[ckDOG]

I discount overall performance vs quality competition when it?s a crap conference. The guy has literally beaten no one. Give me a quality proven assistant at a top program over him. Name Novell?s big wins...and you guys bitches about Mullen not beating ranked teams and floundering vs top programs. This guy can?t even win a bowl game. Imagine us never winning a bowl game under a coach. We?d be raising hell.
We hired a guy that was demoted from OC at UConn. John Cohen 17?d up that ?search?. He looked at one year at Penn St. And considering the talent they had, they underperformed. Novell has won nothing. Absolutely nothing. Expand your vision and look around. There are plenty of good coaches willing to take $5M and this job. But Cohen went $3M on this chump we?ve got.
I?ll ask again, who has he beaten? You?re still sitting on your hands.

I?ll rehash his record that is easily verified after you give names of more proven coaches that we can actually hire at MSU.

[Cooterpoot]

Was Moorhead, a quality proven assistant, when we hired him? Would the national talking heads have considered him, a quality proven assistant?

Here is 5 mil, who would you hire?

How long will he stay, if he can win the west in his first 5 years?


Should we just go ahead and order the rings when we hire him?

SI loved him. But nobody looked at him. They went off that one big year. Never go after one big year. And you obviously missed my statement about him being demoted in his previous big job.
Who cares if a coach stays 4/5 years o 10 years. That doesn’t matter.
Still waiting on you guys to tell me who worth talking about Novell has beaten. Moorhead has as many wins vs winning record teams as Norvell in a year and a half that he had in two years and only one less than him in three years.

[Cooterpoot]

I?ll rehash his record that is easily verified after you give names of more proven coaches that we can actually hire at MSU.

That’s what I thought. You chimed in and got nothing. I mean, this thread is about Norvell, not me. I’ll give my list when we get to that point. We’ll see who is out there and realistic. But Norvell has done nothing. If you want to be one of those State fans that think we can’t do this or that, well, you’re part of the problem. I go in another direction and circle back if we miss. Schools haven’t been beating down Norvells door.
I’ve told you why I don’t think he’s the guy. And I proved numbers to back up my position. I’m waiting for you to tell us why he’s the guy. Something other than, he’s the best we can do or he’s a good coach (without something significant to prove it).

[ckDOG]

That?s what I thought. You chimed in and got nothing. I mean, this thread is about Norvell, not me. I?ll give my list when we get to that point. We?ll see who is out there and realistic. But Norvell has done nothing. If you want to be one of those State fans that think we can?t do this or that, well, you?re part of the problem. I go in another direction and circle back if we miss. Schools haven?t been beating down Norvells door.
I?ve told you why I don?t think he?s the guy. And I proved numbers to back up my position. I?m waiting for you to tell us why he?s the guy. Something other than, he?s the best we can do or he?s a good coach (without something significant to prove it).

Jesus Christ. He?s 32-15 with an excellent offense that has excelled despite losing NFL talent during his tenure. Their last 3 coaches over 15 seasons were 78- 106. Fuente was barely 500. You have to look at coaches relative to their environment bc we don?t have a blank check and can?t pluck an elite coach away from a premier program where it?s a no doubter.

Being grounded in reality doesn?t hold us back. Again....who are your prospects? Assume we pay 5 million a year. Who can we sign that is a slam dunk proven hire?

[Coach34]

Norvell may not be the answer or a good SEC coach- but he is better than what we have now

[timotheus]

That's what I'm talking about. How many teams with winning records has Jomo beaten last and this season? Hell, its a good thing we didn't have memphis on our schedule or Norvell would have another win against a team with a losing record.

[dawgs]

SI loved him. But nobody looked at him. They went off that one big year. Never go after one big year. And you obviously missed my statement about him being demoted in his previous big job.
Who cares if a coach stays 4/5 years o 10 years. That doesn?t matter.
Still waiting on you guys to tell me who worth talking about Novell has beaten. Moorhead has as many wins vs winning record teams as Norvell in a year and a half that he had in two years and only one less than him in three years.

If we wait for more than 1-2 good years to provide a large enough sample size to ascertain a coordinator's abilities across multiple player cycles (vs. capitalizing on an elite group over 2 years like Moorhead did), then someone else is gonna have hired them already or they are waiting for a program bigger than the Mississippi state's of the CFB world (venables).

[dawgs]

That’s what I thought. You chimed in and got nothing. I mean, this thread is about Norvell, not me. I’ll give my list when we get to that point. We’ll see who is out there and realistic. But Norvell has done nothing. If you want to be one of those State fans that think we can’t do this or that, well, you’re part of the problem. I go in another direction and circle back if we miss. Schools haven’t been beating down Norvells door.
I’ve told you why I don’t think he’s the guy. And I proved numbers to back up my position. I’m waiting for you to tell us why he’s the guy. Something other than, he’s the best we can do or he’s a good coach (without something significant to prove it).

You didn't prove numbers, you provided evidence to support your position. Just as I countered with evidence that losing in the 2017 AAC championship to UCF in OT shouldn't eliminate a coach from our search. Based on your statements, if Norvell had won that game he'd be a wonderful candidate. That's a mighty fine line to me that probably has more to do with some 2* no name kid dropping a pass or missing a tackle than actual coaching acumen.

Norvell may or may not be a good P5 coach, maybe there's substance behind the rumors, but all I'm saying is your reasoning for eliminating him from consideration is pretty flimsy when you consider the context.

[Todd4State]

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

You can't look at the schedule because he doesn't have the OPPORTUNITY to play a schedule like ours. If he's dominating that league and he's finishing second to what amounts to the Alabama of G5 schools he's probably a pretty good coach.

[Todd4State]

If we wait for more than 1-2 good years to provide a large enough sample size to ascertain a coordinator's abilities across multiple player cycles (vs. capitalizing on an elite group over 2 years like Moorhead did), then someone else is gonna have hired them already or they are waiting for a program bigger than the Mississippi state's of the CFB world (venables).

Exactly. We have to take some risk with any coach or risk missing the boat completely.

[basedog]

Exactly. We have to take some risk with any coach or risk missing the boat completely.

Yes ^^^^^^

It can be done hiring a good Coach, but odds or slim, history tell us. I'd still ask Bret Venable and I do think he would be a risk.

[Cooterpoot]

You can't look at the schedule because he doesn't have the OPPORTUNITY to play a schedule like ours. If he's dominating that league and he's finishing second to what amounts to the Alabama of G5 schools he's probably a pretty good coach.

He’s lost to every decent team he’s played out of conference. That’s all I need to know.

[Cooterpoot]

Norvell may not be the answer or a good SEC coach- but he is better than what we have now

Hell, you’d be better than what we have now.

[Cooterpoot]

Jesus Christ. He?s 32-15 with an excellent offense that has excelled despite losing NFL talent during his tenure. Their last 3 coaches over 15 seasons were 78- 106. Fuente was barely 500. You have to look at coaches relative to their environment bc we don?t have a blank check and can?t pluck an elite coach away from a premier program where it?s a no doubter.

Being grounded in reality doesn?t hold us back. Again....who are your prospects? Assume we pay 5 million a year. Who can we sign that is a slam dunk proven hire?

His excellent offense struggled to put up points vs shitty OM. But we all know where each of us stand on him. So I’ll let it go.

[AROB44]

Hell, you?d be better than what we have now.


No!!!!

[BB30]

If we hired him and something like the Canny situation happened again many of yall wanting him would be bashing Cohen for taking that chance.

[ckDOG]

His excellent offense struggled to put up points vs shitty OM. But we all know where each of us stand on him. So I?ll let it go.

They won that game. Quit cherry picking.

[Cooterpoot]

They won that game. Quit cherry picking.

Well, you mentioned his great offense. I just pointed out OM sucks and they struggled to score on them. They couldn’t out score Temple either. So, probably the two best they’ve played and they weren’t great in either. But carry on.

[Reunion Dog]

Cohen is Keenum's puppet. If rumors are the issue.. then Keenumwus won't go there.... It's time the Old Guard gets their voice back. Or we are screwed for another 5 years... cause that's what it's gonna take to overcome this dumpster fire that is ongoing now...

[MD2020]

Bill Clark