The wheels are starting to turn regarding Moorhead...........

[99jc]

Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

[Coursesuper]

Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

I've heard rumblings, but nothing solid. I do know that a certain faction not near the capital city ain't happy. But don't look for any movement quickly unless the dire situation you speak of comes true.

[MaroonFlounder]

Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

I heard that you went and mouthed off to the Kansas State fan forum. Then they punked you/us.

[99jc]

I heard that you went and mouthed off to the Kansas State fan forum. Then they punked you/us.

I heard you were a dumbass from multiple sources including your wife.

[shoeless joe]

I would still be surprised if a move is made before next year...BUT when your program embarrasses the university to the extent the football team has its gonna get some people upset. And I’m not taking about on the scoreboard

[Cooterpoot]

There’s some truth here. Not all though. He’s not getting fired.

[Coach007]

Lmao!!!!!!

[I seen it dawg]

This should be good

[Pollodawg]

Doubt it.

[Coursesuper]

Lmao!!!!!!

You really have no idea how things happen do you? Ive got nothing solid because these guy don't talk about things, but these guys don't ask they just say I'll be there at this time and things happen. Theses are the same men that had the put up or shut up CTJ meeting with Mullen, not the athletic director. So laugh it off but, you are wrong to think that theses guys don't play.

[dawgday166]

I would still be surprised if a move is made before next year...BUT when your program embarrasses the university to the extent the football team has its gonna get some people upset. And I’m not taking about on the scoreboard

It's that "Championship Standard".


Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

Not an insider and don't know anything for sure. But have been guessing on the locker room thing. As HC you can't keep coddling primadonnas and keep the locker room and on offense that goes back to last year IMO. It kills team chemistry. Was surprised D didn't pack it in last year and that's what gave me some hope I was wrong. Seems I may not be wrong and I hate like hell that may be the case. We had a lot of exceptional leaders on last year's D. And then today I believe Cooter said in a post Shoop gone when he can be. This does not bode well if it happens.

And while I'm a huge Howland fan and he does have an excellent track record, that UCLA thing may be causing him to do the same type of thing. Stuff like that will kill your locker room and team chemistry. I hope he gets back more to his former, pre-UCLA type of coaching.

ETA: Howland at least moving forward a good bit tho. From no tourney in forever to tourney this year. Pretty good progress overall.

[MetEdDawg]

Question on the locker room thing. Is it a collective thing? Or is there a Mullen guys vs Moorhead guys thing going on?

I could see Moorhead coming in changing things creating a divide between the old guard and the new guard.

[MaroonFlounder]

I heard you were a dumbass from multiple sources including your wife.

The fact remains...you looked foolish. Wear it. Own it. Embrace it.

[HancockCountyDog]

He wins 6 including the bears, he won’t be fired.

Beating the bears will soothe over the fan base.

[Quaoarsking]

Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

That's essentially impossible as long as Shrader is healthy. All the computer metrics out there still have us as clear favorites over Arkansas, Tennessee, and Ole Miss.

[99jc]

He wins 6 including the bears, he won?t be fired.

Beating the bears will soothe over the fan base.

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

[Commercecomet24]

Question on the locker room thing. Is it a collective thing? Or is there a Mullen guys vs Moorhead guys thing going on?

I could see Moorhead coming in changing things creating a divide between the old guard and the new guard.

Players were frustrated and embarrassed after last night as they should be but there is no mutiny or jumping ship at all. There were players that stepped up and took responsibility after the game last night to make sure it doesn't happen again. Got to show it and not just talk it though.We'll find out soon enough.

[Leroy Jenkins]

I've heard rumblings, but nothing solid. I do know that a certain faction not near the capital city ain't happy. But don't look for any movement quickly unless the dire situation you speak of comes true.

https://media.giphy.com/media/14quPpRklGjTOw/giphy.gif

[CovertDawg]

When are people going to learn this program has no margin for error with how we recruit? Tutor Gate cemented this would be a disappointing season. We are a cyclical program that has to develop players and hope for a special season every 4 years. Trivia question....how many times did Dan Mullen's Bulldogs finish the season in the Top 25 (Coaches or AP) during his 9 seasons at Mississippi State? 3! And they were spread out 3 to 4 years. This was not an accident. I did not mind the Moorhead hire. I think we will have a good idea after next season on what to make of Moorhead. The first strike I would have against Moorhead is failing to realize how little Fitzgerald grasped his offense last year and thus adjusting. But that is water under the bridge and I can tell already Moorhead and Shrader are on the same page so he won't have the QB excuse next year. This was going to be a rebuilding year no matter who the head coach was so I am giving him a pass but will expect much more next year.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

6 wins is a pipe dream according to your insider? Question...does your insider smoke crack?

[dawgday166]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to your insider? Question...does your insider smoke crack?

This coming from Charlie Sheen?? *******

[BayouDawg]

The real question is are they meeting at the Waffle House or huddle house??

[Commercecomet24]

I believe there was a similar thread started about this time last year that essentially said the same thing.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

This coming from Charlie Sheen?? *******

Winning!!!

[Jacksondevildog]

Moorhead hasn?t shown yet that we can get off of a bus on the road and be ready to play. (Minus oxford last year.)

Anyone thinking UT and Arky will be easy wins is fooling themselves.

[bostondawg]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

Alright, that's all I needed to know about your "insider."

[Charlie_Sheen420]

Moorhead hasn?t shown yet that we can get off of a bus on the road and be ready to play. (Minus oxford last year.)

Anyone thinking UT and Arky will be easy wins is fooling themselves.

Oh every game from here on out will be a dog fight, that's for sure. But between UT, Arky, Ole Piss, and A&M, I think minimal we go 2-2. Hell call my ass crazy, but we are due for a big upset, maybe this is the year we get Bama, or at least LSU, both are at home, and both are trap game scenarios, crazy I know....but it could happen

[Quaoarsking]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

Math must not be this "insider"'s strong suit.

[TrapGame]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

How does he know this? Crystal ball? Time machine?

[Dawgology]

Alright, that's all I needed to know about your "insider."

Question: where do you see three more given wins? Abilene? Ok. UT (on the road). TAMU (on the road). Ark (on the road). Bama? LSU??? Ole Miss? Maybe.. but all they have to do is run the ball.

It’s pitiful.

[dawgday166]

Oh every game from here on out will be a dog fight, that's for sure. But between UT, Arky, Ole Piss, and A&M, I think minimal we go 2-2. Hell call my ass crazy, but we are due for a big upset, maybe this is the year we get Bama, or at least LSU, both are at home, and both are trap game scenarios, crazy I know....but it could happen

You sure you ain't using too much of your product? Like that hispanic dude in Clear & Present Danger **********

Just kidding.

[ShotgunDawg]

Part of me can't stand these types of threads because they are only destructive

However, last night was so unacceptable that, if true, I'm proud that the program has enough pride that people are willing to stand up for it.

[Quaoarsking]

Question: where do you see three more given wins? Abilene? Ok. UT (on the road). TAMU (on the road). Ark (on the road). Bama? LSU??? Ole Miss? Maybe.. but all they have to do is run the ball.

It’s pitiful.

If you look at it logically and objectively, you see that we are clear favorites against Tennessee, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. (And Abilene Christian obviously.)

If you look at it emotionally, then yes last night was pretty scarring. But until the metrics out there say otherwise, I'm going to continue to expect us to beat the teams we clearly have a better resume than.

[Cooterpoot]

Look, we aren’t firing Moorehead. It’s not happening.

[Homedawg]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

I'm clearly not a moorhead fan. But to say it's a pipedream is crazy. We have a chance to get to 7. But that's a chance. But for someone to say we won't get past 4 based on locker room talk is nuts.

[Bothrops]

The guy that he expects to win one more game either wants Moorhead gone today and it's personal, or he should work for the CIA.

[Homedawg]

Look, we aren’t firing Moorehead. It’s not happening.

Barring losing the rest, this. And even then it would be a stretch.

[Todd4State]

I'm clearly not a moorhead fan. But to say it's a pipedream is crazy. We have a chance to get to 7. But that's a chance. But for someone to say we won't get past 4 based on locker room talk is nuts.

Negative post.**

[Commercecomet24]

The guy that he expects to win one more game either wants Moorhead gone today and it's personal, or he should work for the CIA.

Rep given!

[Todd4State]

IF this meeting occurs I hope that there is something that is actually productive. Because a lot of the problems with our football program fall outside of our head coach. And not saying that there aren't concerns there either with basic discipline.

But if this meeting actually happens they need to talk about how to address concerns with things like S&C, improving special teams play, taking a hard look at compliance and whether we excessively penalize ourselves in football and whether we are really up to date there or not, and making sure that there are more safeguards to make sure our players make fewer poor decisions off the field and how to manage that. And yes some of that involved Moorhead as well.

I do find it really hard to believe that we have major boosters that would absolutely flip out and start making demands after we lost to a top 10 team on the road after literally every coach we have had during my lifetime has done the exact same thing repeatedly- and sometimes with even worse losses like South Alabama, Maine, and Troy and still be allowed to come back the next year. Keenum would just counter with "well, we have several key players suspended" and hopefully that will lead to the discussions that I am talking about above.

[Coach007]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

There is no insider information and all this does is hurt recruiting.

[Todd4State]

And where the hell were these major boosters after we lost to Ole Miss in 2015 with Dan looking for another job?

But yeah- losing to #7 Auburn on the road. Unacceptable!**

[Homedawg]

Moorhead hasn?t shown yet that we can get off of a bus on the road and be ready to play. (Minus oxford last year.)

Anyone thinking UT and Arky will be easy wins is fooling themselves.

But but we don't need Willie and Autry for them. Heard it from half the board or more. Fact I we do need them for these games cause we need to make a bowl. And jomo will use that as and excuse at the end of the year. Even in a game that was 888 -0 after 6 mins last night. And bama and LSU. Etc etc

[ShotgunDawg]

There is no insider information and all this does is hurt recruiting.

Maybe you're right, but last night was completely unacceptable and I'm perfectly fine with everyone involved being put on notice.

The day we start accepting what happened last night, is the day we're done as a program. This program has come waaaay to far to stick with a coach that can't get a 17ing play call in.

[Todd4State]

I believe there was a similar thread started about this time last year that essentially said the same thing.

And it's literally one week after there was a post on here about how good things were in the locker room.

Guess everyone went AWOL after beating Kentucky.**

[MrKotter]

Look, we aren’t firing Moorehead. It’s not happening.

Only one person and his ?insider? think he might.

[Todd4State]

Maybe you're right, but last night was completely unacceptable and I'm perfectly fine with everyone involved being put on notice.

The day we start accepting what happened last night, is the day we're done as a program. This program has come waaaay to far to stick with a coach that can't get a 17ing play call in.

Of course there's a difference between having actual productive meetings about how to improve that and some boosters blowing up the whole damn thing. One would potentially help us move forward and the other would set us back a few years.

[Commercecomet24]

And where the hell were these major boosters after we lost to Ole Miss in 2015 with Dan looking for another job?

But yeah- losing to #7 Auburn on the road. Unacceptable!**

Right. Seems like dan had one of these games where we looked unorganized and got blown out just about every year. Yeah it's unacceptable but let's not act like it hasn't happened in the past. We can't lose the talent we lost last year and then have 10 guys suspended and expect to not have some bumps.

[Coach007]

And where the hell were these major boosters after we lost to Ole Miss in 2015 with Dan looking for another job?

But yeah- losing to #7 Auburn on the road. Unacceptable!**

Exactly

Again, this is doing nothing but starting rumors and hurting recruiting.

Talk about setting back the program!!!

[Commercecomet24]

Of course there's a difference between having actual productive meetings about how to improve that and some boosters blowing up the whole damn thing. One would potentially help us move forward and the other would set us back a few years.

Meddling in the past has created some of the problems we've had as a program over the years.

[Bothrops]

Part of me can't stand these types of threads because they are only destructive

However, last night was so unacceptable that, if true, I'm proud that the program has enough pride that people are willing to stand up for it.

This post is good.

[Coach007]

Maybe you're right, but last night was completely unacceptable and I'm perfectly fine with everyone involved being put on notice.

The day we start accepting what happened last night, is the day we're done as a program. This program has come waaaay to far to stick with a coach that can't get a 17ing play call in.

Offense is fine. You know exactly why the defense is like it is. You want to go all scorched earth, by all means check back when the recruiting is hurt by DUMB shit like this and we are the new Arkansas.


Because that is where we will be

[Todd4State]

Right. Seems like dan had one of these games where we looked unorganized and got blown out just about every year. Yeah it's unacceptable but let's not act like it hasn't happened in the past. We can't lose the talent we lost last year and then have 10 guys suspended and expect to not have some bumps.

And pretty much every time Jackie played LSU and Arkansas minus a couple of times in 13 years. Croom at least a few times a year including at least three times in 2007. And that's just my fan lifetime. I'm sure I could look through the Felker years and find a few blowouts and heck our fans still talk about USM blowing us out in 1980 under Bellard.

[Coach34]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.

[Hambone]

This sounds like the “Marcus Johnson and Mark Hudspeth met with Coach and demanded we run more or they both walk” thread that was started last year.

Pretty sure your sources are as sound as those of that thread.

[Commercecomet24]

And pretty much every time Jackie played LSU and Arkansas minus a couple of times in 13 years. Croom at least a few times a year including at least three times in 2007. And that's just my fan lifetime. I'm sure I could look through the Felker years and find a few blowouts and heck our fans still talk about USM blowing us out in 1980 under Bellard.

Exactly. I loved Rocky but we got smoked so many times under him. I was at that homecoming blowout by usm in '80, that's a very bad memory lol.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen never was unorganized and struggled with personnel and getting plays called. We weren?t undisciplined and he?d be on Shoops ass for last night. Now, he got conservative vs top teams but he?s coach circles around Jo. Jo can?t adapt his offense to players either.

[Commercecomet24]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.

Yep Have to go at least 2-2 in October

[Todd4State]

Meddling in the past has created some of the problems we've had as a program over the years.

I hate to pull a Liverpool here- but that's exactly what happened when we got rid of McKeen. Some boosters wanted to run a different offense. Probably because we threw the ball too much, our fans didn't like the formations, or we Heaven forbid we ran QB sneaks out of the shotgun- who knows what the 1940 version of MSU bitching was? And then apparently after that per my Grandfather who hung out with major MSU boosters in the 40's until however long the Ag people and engineering people at MSU couldn't decide on a football coach and they just continually sabotaged coaches for years until Tyler came along. Which is why we absolutely sucked for years.

Looks like we're coming full circle now! Or maybe some things never really change.

[Homedawg]

Offense is fine. You know exactly why the defense is like it is. You want to go all scorched earth, by all means check back when the recruiting is hurt by DUMB shit like this and we are the new Arkansas.


Because that is where we will be

The offense isn't fine... we had three series and didn't do crap last night and let them go up 21-0. If the offense scores or even gets a first down or two, then it changes things. They didn't do anything u til the game was decided.... 6 mins in. And we've yet to have a pulse against a good defense in the moorhead era.... unless you count last year against auburn. I'll take that one

[ShotgunDawg]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.

Sloppy Joe has a good QB, OL, and a good DC.

It's absurd if he can't look in the mirror and just fix the little things.

[dawgday166]

Mullen never was unorganized and struggled with personnel and getting plays called. We weren?t undisciplined and he?d be on Shoops ass for last night. Now, he got conservative vs top teams but he?s coach circles around Jo. Jo can?t adapt his offense to players either.

I sure don't recall him having a team, even a young one, that gets so many delay of game penalties or always calling timeouts to keep from getting them, or getting them before 1st snap of game, or getting them coming out of a timeout.

Did I miss any scenario which has happened this year?

[Bothrops]

Right. Seems like dan had one of these games where we looked unorganized and got blown out just about every year. Yeah it's unacceptable but let's not act like it hasn't happened in the past. We can't lose the talent we lost last year and then have 10 guys suspended and expect to not have some bumps.

This is true. One of those games was on the plains if I remember correctly.

[Todd4State]

Mullen never was unorganized and struggled with personnel and getting plays called. We weren?t undisciplined and he?d be on Shoops ass for last night. Now, he got conservative vs top teams but he?s coach circles around Jo. Jo can?t adapt his offense to players either.

Yeah that Arkansas game in 2016 was a total clinic on organization.**

And you might want to look at our offensive stats Dan's first two years or the entire Tyler Russell era before making the "Dan adapted his offense" claim.

[Homedawg]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.


Oh it's gonna be hot....

[Bothrops]

Sloppy Joe has a good QB, OL, and a good DC.

It's absurd if he can't look in the mirror and just fix the little things.

If we can get a defense, Shrader is Moorhead's ticket to MSU success.

[Todd4State]

The offense isn't fine... we had three series and didn't do crap last night and let them go up 21-0. If the offense scores or even gets a first down or two, then it changes things. They didn't do anything u til the game was decided.... 6 mins in. And we've yet to have a pulse against a good defense in the moorhead era.... unless you count last year against auburn. I'll take that one

Hindsight is 20/20. But if we start Shrader I'd be willing to bet the game last night starts out a lot differently.

[Turfdawg67]

If you look at it logically and objectively, you see that we are clear favorites against Tennessee, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. (And Abilene Christian obviously.)

If you look at it emotionally, then yes last night was pretty scarring. But until the metrics out there say otherwise, I'm going to continue to expect us to beat the teams we clearly have a better resume than.

Yep. To me, this seems a lot like 2012 (the We Believe year). We won most of the games we were supposed to win and got blown out by the good teams. The difference was the front half of our schedule was easy compared to the latter half... we won one game the rest of the way, including our bowl game. Our losses were pretty ugly that year too. Troy gave us fits too but we won by 5 or 6 pts. Anyone without maroon colored glasses didn't "believe" if they watched us play.

[Homedawg]

I sure don't recall him having a team, even a young one, that gets so many delay of game penalties or always calling timeouts to keep from getting them, or getting them before 1st snap of game, or getting them coming out of a timeout.

Did I miss any scenario which has happened this year?

Well I can say that 9 years of Dan Mullen w didn't get a delay if game on the first damn play.... then double down w the 4th play.... and it's the norm. Timeouts after timeouts. It's the norm. Not the exception. That's why I'm pissed. Poor coaching. Not being beat because they have more talent.... course the crappy bo nix*** looked like a heisman but

[Todd4State]

This sounds like the “Marcus Johnson and Mark Hudspeth met with Coach and demanded we run more or they both walk” thread that was started last year.

Pretty sure your sources are as sound as those of that thread.

LOL. I forgot about that.

[Homedawg]

Yep. To me, this seems a lot like 2012 (the We Believe year). We won most of the games we were supposed to win and got blown out by the good teams. The difference was the front half of our schedule was easy compared to the latter half... we one game the rest of the way, including our bowl game. Our losses were pretty ugly that year too. Troy gave us fits too but we won by 5 or 6 pts. Anyone without maroon colored glasses didn't "believe" if they watched us play.


We were supposed to lose to KSU?? Otherwise the comparison is faulty.

[dawgday166]

Hindsight is 20/20. But if we start Shrader I'd be willing to bet the game last night starts out a lot differently.

I'll raise you ... if we start Aeris every game last year it's minimum of 10-2 and instead of laying on his back all the time Fitz is at worst 4th/5th best QB in the league.

[Todd4State]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.

What was that quote by Jackie Sherrill about "people remember what you do in November?"

[Todd4State]

I'll raise you ... if we start Aeris every game last year it's minimum of 10-2 and instead of laying on his back all the time Fitz is at worst 4th/5th best QB in the league.

That's bullshit.

[Coach007]

The offense isn't fine... we had three series and didn't do crap last night and let them go up 21-0. If the offense scores or even gets a first down or two, then it changes things. They didn't do anything u til the game was decided.... 6 mins in. And we've yet to have a pulse against a good defense in the moorhead era.... unless you count last year against auburn. I'll take that one

The offense is fine and you know why the defense is the way it is.

Bitch all you want.... spread rumors all you want. It's not helpful and for sure harmful.

Moorhead is not going anywhere.

[dawgday166]

That's bullshit.

You still thinking Hill an explosive NFL back too? Did they teach you while you're playing the tuba in the band that RBs need to block LBs when protecting the QB?

[Turfdawg67]

IF this meeting occurs I hope that there is something that is actually productive. Because a lot of the problems with our football program fall outside of our head coach. And not saying that there aren't concerns there either with basic discipline.

But if this meeting actually happens they need to talk about how to address concerns with things like S&C, improving special teams play, taking a hard look at compliance and whether we excessively penalize ourselves in football and whether we are really up to date there or not, and making sure that there are more safeguards to make sure our players make fewer poor decisions off the field and how to manage that. And yes some of that involved Moorhead as well.

I do find it really hard to believe that we have major boosters that would absolutely flip out and start making demands after we lost to a top 10 team on the road after literally every coach we have had during my lifetime has done the exact same thing repeatedly- and sometimes with even worse losses like South Alabama, Maine, and Troy and still be allowed to come back the next year. Keenum would just counter with "well, we have several key players suspended" and hopefully that will lead to the discussions that I am talking about above.

C'mon dude. That was prior to 2014. We're not the same MSU... ***

[RezDog7]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

So your insider is a prophet, cool. He got any good stock tips?

[Coach007]

We were supposed to lose to KSU?? Otherwise the comparison is faulty.

Where we suppose to lose to maine???

[shoeless joe]

I have zero inside knowledge but folks that think the possibility of this rumor being true are because of the score of last nites game are missing the forest for the trees.

[Homedawg]

The offense is fine and you know why the defense is the way it is.

Bitch all you want.... spread rumors all you want. It's not helpful and for sure harmful.

Moorhead is not going anywhere.

What rumor did I post?? The fact our offense had the ball three times before they had it and they scored 21 isn't a rumor. It's a fact. And you're a dumb ass. Also a fact.

[Homedawg]

I have zero inside knowledge but folks that think the possibility of this rumor being true are because of the score of last nites game are missing the forest for the trees.


This thread is really as bad as one of the ones 007 starts to be honest.

[99jc]

LOL. I forgot about that.

that actually happened!

[Coach007]

You still thinking Hill an explosive NFL back too? Did they teach you while you're playing the tuba in the band that RBs need to block LBs when protecting the QB?

Way to get personal big dawg. Wow!

[Homedawg]

Where we suppose to lose to maine???


The analogy of croon vs joe mo is close. Thanks for proving my point. Pure genius you are.

[Homedawg]

that actually happened!


No it didn't. Not how it was portrayed here. Not close.

[Pollodawg]

Mullen never was unorganized and struggled with personnel and getting plays called. We weren?t undisciplined and he?d be on Shoops ass for last night. Now, he got conservative vs top teams but he?s coach circles around Jo. Jo can?t adapt his offense to players either.

He and Dak got a delay of game at the end of the 2015 LSU game that pushed us out of field goal range. We lost by 2.....

[Todd4State]

You still thinking Hill an explosive NFL back too? Did they teach you while you're playing the tuba in the band that RBs need to block LBs when protecting the QB?

I think he's one of the best backs and one of the most productive in the SEC. I've never said that he's "an explosive NFL back". I did say at the time that the best way to utilize them was to use both- which is what we did and it was pretty effective.

If you know so much about football explain to all of us how come Fitz's stats are basically identical to when Dan played here and Hill not on the team blocking for him? Or why Fitzgerald ran the ball more than ever did under Dan last year since we don't "adapt to our players" and Joe was clearly "sabotaging him"?

[Commercecomet24]

The analogy of croon vs joe mo is close. Thanks for proving my point. Pure genius you are.

You quoting yoda?

[Coach007]

What rumor did I post?? The fact our offense had the ball three times before they had it and they scored 21 isn't a rumor. It's a fact. And you're a dumb ass. Also a fact.

Look kid, the facts are facts. Our offense is fine and you know what the issue is with the defense. You and your collective do nothing but negatives all day.

He is not even through his second year and the collective goes all out against people who disagree.

I ain't going anywhere. And I will speak my mind, and hell no will I sit back and take your personal attacks. Grow up

[RezDog7]

But but we don't need Willie and Autry for them. Heard it from half the board or more. Fact I we do need them for these games cause we need to make a bowl. And jomo will use that as and excuse at the end of the year. Even in a game that was 888 -0 after 6 mins last night. And bama and LSU. Etc etc

So playing Willie and Autry would have made the difference last night? There are a lot of prophets in this fan base.

[Todd4State]

that actually happened!

Marcus Johnson says hi.

[Todd4State]

He and Dak got a delay of game at the end of the 2015 LSU game that pushed us out of field goal range. We lost by 2.....

I blacked that out of my memory.

[Coach34]

The offense is fine and you know why the defense is the way it is.

Our 1st 2 offensive series were 3 and outs that ended with 4th and 22 and 4th and 13. Auburn scored on their 1st 2 series. The game was over at that point. Sloppy Joe's offense in big games has been lacking to say the very least.

[Turfdawg67]

We were supposed to lose to KSU?? Otherwise the comparison is faulty.

No, that's why it said "most". We were "supposed" to beat OM in 2012 and didn't.

[biggun]

Offense is fine. You know exactly why the defense is like it is. You want to go all scorched earth, by all means check back when the recruiting is hurt by DUMB shit like this and we are the new Arkansas.


Because that is where we will be

That is where we currently are on the defensive side of the ball!!!

[Todd4State]

Way to get personal big dawg. Wow!

Just another MSU internet dumbass he is. Basically making up things that "Todd4State said" that for some reason don't exist on this board or anywhere else along with some band smack from some clown that never played the game himself.

He hasn't had a banner day- from Joe sabotaging Fitz to now Aeris blocking making Fitz into a guy that can read defenses and us a 10 win team.

But yes let's sit our guy that almost 1K rushing yards already because of his blocking.** What a dumbass.

[RezDog7]

The analogy of croon vs joe mo is close. Thanks for proving my point. Pure genius you are.

Where we supposed to lose to South Alabama?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Look, we aren?t firing Moorehead. It?s not happening.

Nor should we. Fact is, the 17n tutor gate assholes that have a 10 game suspension 17ed us. Along with our draft class and lack of depth behind them. Perfect storm of things that couldn't be corrected by our 1st year head coach, at the time. Our players have chosen to play 75 schollies versus 85. Not a chance in hell Moorhead knew about the cheating. Every last one of those players should have been expelled, no doubt about it if it were 10 random students, they would have been. That is where the problem starts.

[Homedawg]

He and Dak got a delay of game at the end of the 2015 LSU game that pushed us out of field goal range. We lost by 2.....

Yep. Bad. Wasn't the first play and not our of a timeout. Bad. But not jomo bad.

[Turfdawg67]

He and Dak got a delay of game at the end of the 2015 LSU game that pushed us out of field goal range. We lost by 2.....

Ouch! These short term memory lapses ruin good ole agendas.

[Todd4State]

Where we supposed to lose to South Alabama?

Even worse- the guy coaching South Alabama is our now ST coach.

[RezDog7]

Our 1st 2 offensive series were 3 and outs that ended with 4th and 22 and 4th and 13. Auburn scored on their 1st 2 series. The game was over at that point. Sloppy Joe's offense in big games has been lacking to say the very least.

Very similar to Mullen's against Auburn and Georgia in 2017 with the best team ever.

[Homedawg]

Where we supposed to lose to South Alabama?


Just keep doubling down on stupid. No. We weren't. But jo had lost 4 games where he was a 6 + point favorite. This has been covered. But thanks for playing.

[Homedawg]

Very similar to Mullen's against Auburn and Georgia in 2017 with the best team ever.


17 was dan's best team ever? Shit you people are stupid. Just stop. Stop. Smdh

[Political Hack]

Moorhead hasn?t shown yet that we can get off of a bus on the road and be ready to play. (Minus oxford last year.)

Anyone thinking UT and Arky will be easy wins is fooling themselves.

People aren't ready to admit we're as bad as they are. But we are. This is going to get bad. When you have young guys who can't tackle and no depth on the DL, you're in a ton of trouble. It is what it is. Buckle up and hold on.

[Todd4State]

Nor should we. Fact is, the 17n tutor gate assholes that have a 10 game suspension 17ed us. Along with our draft class and lack of depth behind them. Perfect storm of things that couldn't be corrected by our 1st year head coach, at the time. Our players have chosen to play 75 schollies versus 85. Not a chance in hell Moorhead knew about the cheating. Every last one of those players should have been expelled, no doubt about it if it were 10 random students, they would have been. That is where the problem starts.

We should be 5-0 right now! No excuses! It's all because Kylin can't pass block!**

[RezDog7]

Yep. Bad. Wasn't the first play and not our of a timeout. Bad. But not jomo bad.

You mean like the most predictable play in Mullen's play book bad, QB dive on every important 3rd and whatever?

[Commercecomet24]

The thing I find odd is that we have way more negative threads started after a loss than positive after a win. Also we have posters I never see post until after a loss. Just think it's strange

ETA and this goes back to the
Mullen days

[Homedawg]

Ouch! These short term memory lapses ruin good ole agendas.


I have no agenda. I don't want us to lose. Ever. But I'm close to telling them they can have my seats and my money. While that might not matter but it won't help.

[Homedawg]

You mean like the most predictable play in Mullen's play book bad, QB dive on every important 3rd and whatever?


Wrong again. But it fits the narrative

[Coach34]

Very similar to Mullen's against Auburn and Georgia in 2017 with the best team ever.

the best teams we have had were 2014 and 2018. 2017 had too many green guys playing

[RezDog7]

17 was dan's best team ever? Shit you people are stupid. Just stop. Stop. Smdh

Did we not have almost every player from that team as the one in 18 that y'all keep calling the best team ever?

[Really Clark?]

Very similar to Mullen's against Auburn and Georgia in 2017 with the best team ever.

What?!? The 2017 Auburn game was not the same

[RezDog7]

the best teams we have had were 2014 and 2018. 2017 had too many green guys playing


So similar to this year, got it. Only matters when it fits your narrative.

[RezDog7]

Wrong again. But it fits the narrative

So Mullen didn't call QB up the middle on every important play of his tenure. Did you watch MSU football during his time?

[Pollodawg]

Yep. Bad. Wasn't the first play and not our of a timeout. Bad. But not jomo bad.

It WAS out of a timeout.

[Todd4State]

Just keep doubling down on stupid. No. We weren't. But jo had lost 4 games where he was a 6 + point favorite. This has been covered. But thanks for playing.

He's also lost to of his now seven losses- five teams that finished ranked or currently in the top 15- Alabama, Florida, LSU, and Kentucky and Auburn this year....four of those finished or are currently top 10 teams and four of those five were on the road. The other loss was to K-State this year who I believe is unranked but haven't looked today and Iowa which finished 25 in the AP poll.

[dawgday166]

I think he's one of the best backs and one of the most productive in the SEC. I've never said that he's "an explosive NFL back". I did say at the time that the best way to utilize them was to use both- which is what we did and it was pretty effective.

If you know so much about football explain to all of us how come Fitz's stats are basically identical to when Dan played here and Hill not on the team blocking for him? Or why Fitzgerald ran the ball more than ever did under Dan last year since we don't "adapt to our players" and Joe was clearly "sabotaging him"?

The first rule of being a good QB according to Jimmy Johnson. Take care of the ball. Hard to do when you laying on your back all the time, but Fitz has done that when he has been confident he wasn't gonna get blind sided by a LB. Case in point: TAM last year when Aeris started. There was a play in 2nd half I believe when a LB exploded into backfield and Aeris nailed him, giving Fitz time to make a big completion. Aeris not there, Fitz is hamburger yet again.

Second rule, make the plays you're supposed to make. Fitz did that for most part of 2017. Also, as a true soph he was 1st in SEC in total offense. Completion percentage isn't all there is to being a QB dude, especially a college QB.

There were a lot of reasons we had bad season last year from what we should have had. Fitz did have horrible games against LSU & Bama, but he was pretty decent for first 3 qtrs in KY & FL games ... he wasn't getting much help tho. Yet you wanna say he was sole reason we sucked. And none of it is Joe's fault at all which is total crap.

Tommy was the savior ... but now he ain't. Now Shrader is the savior. If he don't work out you'll have another savior soon and it won't be Joe's fault. I think Shrader has tremendous upside, but he ain't the savior just yet and I'm not ready to anoint him to that expectation yet either.

The fact that our offense all of last year and this year ain't as tough as our ladies basketball team is the main reason I don't think Joe will make it. Toughness comes before or at best in parallel with precision. And he ain't that concerned with it.

[Coach34]

So similar to this year, got it. Only matters when it fits your narrative.

What?

We have a veteran OL, WR group, and RB. We have a veteran DE group, LB group, and CB group. Our safeties are juco guys that played last year. We are green at DT and thats it. Why are you so dumb or are you just coming here to make shit up?

[Turfdawg67]

I have no agenda. I don't want us to lose. Ever. But I'm close to telling them they can have my seats and my money. While that might not matter but it won't help.

No one said you did... Rez and I were responding to Cooter. Maybe if you weren't calling everyone stupid you could figure that out?

[Matt3467]

the best teams we have had were 2014 and 2018. 2017 had too many green guys playing

2010 has to be up there too.

[Really Clark?]

So Mullen didn't call QB up the middle on every important play of his tenure. Did you watch MSU football during his time?

That’s not true

[Coach007]

That is where we currently are on the defensive side of the ball!!!


Yes. The lack of recruiting by Mullen.

[Turfdawg67]

That’s not true

It's call hyperbole... look it up.

[Homedawg]

So Mullen didn't call QB up the middle on every important play of his tenure. Did you watch MSU football during his time?

Nope never watched**
He did call the qb a good bit. But people act like it was every play AND like it never worked. People like you only remember when it didn't.... it worked a lot. And a lot in critical times.

[Really Clark?]

It's call hyperbole... look it up.

I’ve called people out on hyperbole and used the word numerous times in the board. Almost used it then

[Coach007]

Just another MSU internet dumbass he is. Basically making up things that "Todd4State said" that for some reason don't exist on this board or anywhere else along with some band smack from some clown that never played the game himself.

He hasn't had a banner day- from Joe sabotaging Fitz to now Aeris blocking making Fitz into a guy that can read defenses and us a 10 win team.

But yes let's sit our guy that almost 1K rushing yards already because of his blocking.** What a dumbass.

The Collective is all about beating posters up who dares disagrees

[biggun]

People aren't ready to admit we're as bad as they are. But we are. This is going to get bad. When you have young guys who can't tackle and no depth on the DL, you're in a ton of trouble. It is what it is. Buckle up and hold on.

Yep, agree. And on top of that, we are a very slow defense. Our LB?s and secondary look like they are running in quick sand.

[Mobile Bay]

Oh every game from here on out will be a dog fight, that's for sure. But between UT, Arky, Ole Piss, and A&M, I think minimal we go 2-2. Hell call my ass crazy, but we are due for a big upset, maybe this is the year we get Bama, or at least LSU, both are at home, and both are trap game scenarios, crazy I know....but it could happen

Beating Bama or LSU? I will have whatever you are smoking. This is delusional.

[Todd4State]

The first rule of being a good QB according to Jimmy Johnson. Take care of the ball. Hard to do when you laying on your back all the time, but Fitz has done that when he has been confident he wasn't gonna get blind sided by a LB. Case in point: TAM last year when Aeris started. There was a play in 2nd half I believe when a LB exploded into backfield and Aeris nailed him, giving Fitz time to make a big completion. Aeris not there, Fitz is hamburger yet again.

Second rule, make the plays you're supposed to make. Fitz did that for most part of 2017. Also, as a true soph he was 1st in SEC in total offense. Completion percentage isn't all there is to being a QB dude, especially a college QB.

There were a lot of reasons we had bad season last year from what we should have had. Fitz did have horrible games against LSU & Bama, but he was pretty decent for first 3 qtrs in KY & FL games ... he wasn't getting much help tho. Yet you wanna say he was sole reason we sucked. And none of it is Joe's fault at all which is total crap.

Tommy was the savior ... but now he ain't. Now Shrader is the savior. If he don't work out you'll have another savior soon and it won't be Joe's fault. I think Shrader has tremendous upside, but he ain't the savior just yet and I'm not ready to anoint him to that expectation yet either.

The fact that our offense all of last year and this year ain't as tough as our ladies basketball team is the main reason I don't think Joe will make it. Toughness comes before or at best in parallel with precision. And he ain't that concerned with it.

And Greg Eiland gets a complete pass after getting overrun by every pass rusher and that was Kylin's fault how?

Kylin and Aeris split time last year- and Fitz's completion percentage didn't improve significantly with Aeris in the game. And how come Shrader can complete passes with Kylin blocking for him?

Completion isn't everything- but it's pretty important. Especially in today's game.

And I never said that Fitz was the "sole reason" why we sucked- the WR's and OT's also were bad last year. But interestingly enough our WR's have had had a lot fewer drops this year. I wonder why?**

You're one of those head up your ass MSU fans that think that all we can do is run the ball every time "because that's what MSU does".

[Coach007]

So similar to this year, got it. Only matters when it fits your narrative.

Yep

[vv83]

the best teams we have had were 2014 and 2018. 2017 had too many green guys playing


2010 has to be up there too.

Sensing a trend here

[Coach007]

What?

We have a veteran OL, WR group, and RB. We have a veteran DE group, LB group, and CB group. Our safeties are juco guys that played last year. We are green at DT and thats it. Why are you so dumb or are you just coming here to make shit up?

You know damn well we are thin at Lb and CB.

[Coach34]

Yes. The lack of recruiting by Mullen.

or the lack of vision by our current HC who didnt feel the need to bring in a couple of juco DT's to help offset the youth

[RezDog7]

What?

We have a veteran OL, WR group, and RB. We have a veteran DE group, LB group, and CB group. Our safeties are juco guys that played last year. We are green at DT and thats it. Why are you so dumb or are you just coming here to make shit up?

I don't know, the most important positions on the team seem pretty green.

[RezDog7]

Nope never watched**
He did call the qb a good bit. But people act like it was every play AND like it never worked. People like you only remember when it didn't.... it worked a lot. And a lot in critical times.

Except when it didn't against good teams.

[RezDog7]

You know damn well we are thin at Lb and CB.


Exactly. He made it known all summer how thin we were but now it doesn't fit his narrative so we good. Hell, I see our freshmen on the field more than our experience. Probably because they actually show effort. All those Mullen recruits act like they are scared to hit somebody.

[Coach007]

or the lack of vision by our current HC who didnt feel the need to bring in a couple of juco DT's to help offset the youth

Which year? 2018 or 2019.... who are you getting rid of to adjust the allocations and could you please list the DTs in JUCO .

[Coach007]

Exactly. He made it known all summer how thin we were but now it doesn't fit his narrative so we good.

Not only that, how the lack of would effect the back 7

[Really Clark?]

Except when it didn't against good teams.

Dak’s TD vs LSU was a 3rd and 3 run...most iconic TD for Dak and Mullen in their career here.

[Pollodawg]

Watching all of these “Dan Walsh” posters engage in massive revisionist history is worth the price of admission.

[RezDog7]

Dak’s TD vs LSU was a 3rd and 3 run...most iconic TD for Dak and Mullen in their career here.

Oh I agree it worked some, but everybody in the stadium knew what was coming when it did.

[Coach34]

You know damn well we are thin at Lb and CB.

"I have never stated that we would not have a drop off. I stated that it won't throw us off the map on defense. What I have stated is I expect the defense to be top 15."- 007 July, 2019

[Commercecomet24]

Watching all of these “Dan Walsh” posters engage in massive revisionist history is worth the price of admission.

I was a Dan and Jackie supporter and loved what both of them did here but we do a great job of revising history with both.

[Coach34]

Exactly. He made it known all summer how thin we were but now it doesn't fit his narrative so we good. Hell, I see our freshmen on the field more than our experience. Probably because they actually show effort. All those Mullen recruits act like they are scared to hit somebody.

We have Errol and Leo at LB. We have Smitherman and Dantzler at CB. Whats the problem? You guys laughed when I said we had alot of questions on D this Fall. We gone be Top 15 remember?

[Dawg61]

Anyone still trying to destroy ten college kids lives six months later is a pathetic salty hypocritical loser.

[Pollodawg]

I was a Dan and Jackie supporter and loved what both of them did here but we do a great job of revising history with both.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not mocking Dan nor defending Moorhead. I’m just stating the obvious. All of our chaoches have laid massive turd burgers at some point. It happens. We’ll be ok.

And these folks know who they are.

[Really Clark?]

I was a Dan and Jackie supporter and loved what both of them did here but we do a great job of revising history with both.

Agreed

[Coach007]

"I have never stated that we would not have a drop off. I stated that it won't throw us off the map on defense. What I have stated is I expect the defense to be top 15."- 007 July, 2019

Watch... this is really easy. I was not aware of the 10. Even still, I have no issue admitting I was wrong. But I will never go against my team.

You on the other hand change like the wind.

Waiting on you to name them.

[Commercecomet24]

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not mocking Dan nor defending Moorhead. I’m just stating the obvious. All of our chaoches have laid massive turd burgers at some point. It happens. We’ll be ok.

And these folks know who they are.

Agreed

[RezDog7]

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/board/59413/Contents/i-see-why-franklin-would-not-commit-to-stevens-136271734/

Some of y'all should read this.

[Coach007]

We have Errol and Leo at LB. We have Smitherman and Dantzler at CB. Whats the problem? You guys laughed when I said we had alot of questions on D this Fall. We gone be Top 15 remember?

Again, you are now saying 2 different things in the same thread. Either it would effect the defense or not.

We are thin. You know it. We are at lb and at cb.

[Pollodawg]

Anyone still trying to destroy ten college kids lives six months later is a pathetic salty hypocritical loser.

No one is trying to destroy their lives. But they DO deserve censure. They knew what they did. They’re big boys.

[Cooterpoot]

Again, you are now saying 2 different things in the same thread. Either it would effect the defense or not.

We are thin. You know it. We are at lb and at cb.

We aren’t thin at CB.

[Randolph Dupree]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

Unless your insider is god, he doesn't know what our win total will be.

[Coach007]

We aren?t thin at CB.

We are having to play true freshmen who will not get to RS. So call it lack of talent behind the starters then.

Another Mullen issue

[Coach34]

We are having to play true freshmen who will not get to RS. So call it lack of talent behind the starters then.

Another Mullen issue

Why did you predict a top 15 in the country Defense this year then knowing all this? You said Dantzler and Smitherman would rule the SEC in 2019.

[Dawg61]

No one is trying to destroy their lives. But they DO deserve censure. They knew what they did. They’re big boys.

Losers aren't stopping at censure is the problem. They're out for blood on them still six months later. If you can't see it I can't help you.

[Todd4State]

I was a Dan and Jackie supporter and loved what both of them did here but we do a great job of revising history with both.

So true. We love people more when they are not our coach anymore.

Except for maybe Croom.

[Coach007]

Why did you predict a top 15 in the country Defense this year then knowing all this? You said Dantzler and Smitherman would rule the SEC in 2019.

Again.... Mullen issues left over. Still waiting on you coach. Got that list yet?

Surely you and the collective and get together a list of viable names

[Coach34]

Again.... Mullen issues left over. Still waiting on you coach. Got that list yet?

You didnt mention any Mullen issues in your bravado about our top 15 D this Fall that currently sits at 80th in the country. Why didnt you post about these "Mullen Issues"? They were there in July and you didnt mention one thing about them. All we heard about was how Rivers was a better pass rusher than Sweat and our Secondary was going to be alot better. Cole and Landrews were better than MacLaurin and Abram. You told us that.

[Commercecomet24]

So true. We love people more when they are not our coach anymore.

Except for maybe Croom.

Yep. There wasn't this much angst when Mullen got mauled by LSU 59-26 in his 5th year in 2013, and that was at home.

[Coach007]

You didnt mention any Mullen issues in your bravado about our top 15 D this Fall that currently sits at 80th in the country. Why didnt you post about these "Mullen Issues"? They were there in July and you didnt mention one thing about them. All we heard about was how Rivers was a better pass rusher than Sweat and our Secondary was going to be alot better. Cole and Landrews were better than MacLaurin and Abram. You told us that.

Waiting

[Coach34]

Waiting

so am I

[Coach007]

so am I

That's what I thought. You and the collective are laughable.


Great thing about the features here is I dont have to read your junk

[Pollodawg]

Losers aren't stopping at censure is the problem. They're out for blood on them still six months later. If you can't see it I can't help you.

Whose threatening these guys? Who?s harassing them? Whose making life miserable for them? You?re vastly overstating the case. Tutorgate HAS had an effect on this season. It?s only natural we talk about it.

[Commercecomet24]

C34 and C007 are like matter meeting anti matter lol

[Coach007]

C34 and C007 are like matter meeting anti matter lol

Yeah, I'm done with it. Can't read a thing he posts from here on out.

[cheewgumm]

007 is potentially Moorhead himself. Ha

[Commercecomet24]

007 is potentially Moorhead himself. Ha

Good one!

[TaleofTwoDogs]

Can someone please text Keenum to ask about the concessions and when are we getting our shade? Asking for a friend. **

[Dawg61]

Whose threatening these guys? Who?s harassing them? Whose making life miserable for them? You?re vastly overstating the case. Tutorgate HAS had an effect on this season. It?s only natural we talk about it.

How'd you read this thread and not notice the underlying hinting that some are threatening to withhold donations because of shit from off the field aka they are still butthurt over 10 college kids not getting their lives ruined sufficiently enough 6 months ago for their liking.

[parabrave]

Was sent a text from one of our all-time great players today. There has been a meeting requested with Keenum Monday or Tuesday on the State of MSU Football. Don't know where this is headed if anywhere but some Alumni with clout are not going to sit idle and not voice serious concerns! Was told he expected us to lose the remaining games except 1. Said there were more problems going on inside the locker room that haven't come out yet. Has anyone heard anything I haven't.

I've talked to a few from the early 80's team and they are not happy. At least 4 of them were at the KState game and they were not happy and have not been since last year. Deer in headlights was mentioned.

[BhamDawg205]

I'll raise you ... if we start Aeris every game last year it's minimum of 10-2 and instead of laying on his back all the time Fitz is at worst 4th/5th best QB in the league.

We might not have went 10-2, but Aeris was the complete back. Fitz slow post snap reads would gained a few more seconds with Aeris blocking. He'll Hill still hasn't or unwilling to pass block. Freak the explosive plays he provided. Think about all the hits our QBs take and/or drives he's killed.

[Johnson85]

Nor should we. Fact is, the 17n tutor gate assholes that have a 10 game suspension 17ed us. Along with our draft class and lack of depth behind them. Perfect storm of things that couldn't be corrected by our 1st year head coach, at the time. Our players have chosen to play 75 schollies versus 85. Not a chance in hell Moorhead knew about the cheating. Every last one of those players should have been expelled, no doubt about it if it were 10 random students, they would have been. That is where the problem starts.

How many times are you going to repeat this stupid shit? Students do not get expelled for a first time offense of cheating. The players punishment was harsher than most students, who just get an F and go on probation.

[dawgday166]

And Greg Eiland gets a complete pass after getting overrun by every pass rusher and that was Kylin's fault how?

Kylin and Aeris split time last year- and Fitz's completion percentage didn't improve significantly with Aeris in the game. And how come Shrader can complete passes with Kylin blocking for him?

Completion isn't everything- but it's pretty important. Especially in today's game.

And I never said that Fitz was the "sole reason" why we sucked- the WR's and OT's also were bad last year. But interestingly enough our WR's have had had a lot fewer drops this year. I wonder why?**

You're one of those head up your ass MSU fans that think that all we can do is run the ball every time "because that's what MSU does".

Not giving Eiland a pass, but when he's getting blown past it isn't necessarily cause he ain't giving it his best. Aeris took a while to work himself into being the featured back under Mullen which pissed me off (remember Hollaway up the middle). The reason was he was struggling to pass block. But he struggled cause he missed assignments about half the time, not because he was scared to do it like Hill. He'd stick his nose in there and battle that LB when he got the assignment right. Holloway never missed an assignment, but he was like a gnat to that LB and just get swatted away, but he'd still stick his nose in there and give it a shot. My argument was because of Holloway's size, even tho he was giving his best effort, he wasn't really keeping that LB tied up, so play Aeris who at least half the time blocked the LB.

Hill tries to avoid the contact most times one way or the other. Diving at the feet is one way to do that. All while saying he needs the ball more. That's why I get pissed. Or doing the twitter stuff with KY last year. Him and Guidry need a lot of attention. It for sure pisses me off that Joe keeps coddling Guidry. That kills a locker room. Those guys watch the video every Sunday. They may not say anything but they can see it. Fitz probably didn't say anything last year, but he could see why that LB was planting their helmet between his shoulder blades in about 1.5 secs or less (and I timed it quite a few times last year). As a QB, you gonna start rushing to get ball off if you know you ain't got time.

Going back to Eiland, and really everyone on O, it all goes back to the coaches and the "precision over tough" approach. You need to watch all 11 players each snap. All 11 are involved in the play every down. Don't just watch and fall in love (or not) with the players touching the football on each snap. Rewind the video in slo-mo. Watch what players do without the ball. If one guy doesn't do their job, the play is very likely to blow up.

In baseball, isolated players and only 2 to 6 or so max at any given time are involved in the play. Easier to see what's going on. I slo-mo'd a decent amount last year on video (the FL game 3 times) ... I tried to understand why plays REALLY were blown up ... I just didn't heap all the criticism on Fitz. Fitz actually played pretty damn good in FL game, but took all the blame.

We'll see how Shrader does going forward. He's got a lot of upside and is tough. I like him a lot. A lot of things can happen tho. You're basing your judgement on 1 and a half games. You change the savior of our team about 3 or more times a year. But it's never Joe's fault, which it ultimately is cause he's the head man. And I said the same damn thing under Mullen too. I was one of Mullen's harshest critics at times. Me and 7 argued about it all the time in fact.

[ShotgunDawg]

007 is potentially Moorhead himself. Ha

That would be so Hugh Freeze.

BTW, Do you guys think Freeze ever did that on the Spirit?

[ShotgunDawg]

How'd you read this thread and not notice the underlying hinting that some are threatening to withhold donations because of shit from off the field aka they are still butthurt over 10 college kids not getting their lives ruined sufficiently enough 6 months ago for their liking.

As much money as the SEC schools are making on TV, my guess is that boosters everywhere have lost a little leverage

[Dawgology]

How'd you read this thread and not notice the underlying hinting that some are threatening to withhold donations because of shit from off the field aka they are still butthurt over 10 college kids not getting their lives ruined sufficiently enough 6 months ago for their liking.

That is not even CLOSE to everything happening behind the scenes from a discipline standpoint. I know for a 100%, absolute fact of one incident that is pretty major that was handled out of the spotlight. The proper authorities that needed to know do, indeed, know but I can see some major donors becoming aware of the incident and getting pretty angry.

[BuckyIsAB****]

There are a lot of former players that I know that are done with him

[gtowndawg]

There are a lot of former players that I know that are done with him

Is it based on how we play or something they know behind the scenes? I don't see anything from Moorhead that makes me think he has the chops to be an SEC coach but I didn't play college football either.

[Bubb Rubb]

Look kid, the facts are facts. Our offense is fine and you know what the issue is with the defense. You and your collective do nothing but negatives all day.

He is not even through his second year and the collective goes all out against people who disagree.

I ain't going anywhere. And I will speak my mind, and hell no will I sit back and take your personal attacks. Grow up

Since you like facts, go look at our offensive stats, comparing last year to this year through our first five games. Then come back and tell me how good our offense is. I'll wait.

[TrapGame]

There are a lot of former players that I know that are done with him

We need to get Spiderman to open up about what some current players have told him.

[Turfdawg67]

C34 and C007 are like matter meeting anti matter lol

LoL! Agreed. Anyone else, besides me, who's reading this thread just scroll right past their little cat fight? Yawn.

[Turfdawg67]

007 is potentially Moorhead himself. Ha

He's definitely a relative of some kind... wife maybe?

[BuckyIsAB****]

Is it based on how we play or something they know behind the scenes? I don't see anything from Moorhead that makes me think he has the chops to be an SEC coach but I didn't play college football either.

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

[Turfdawg67]

Since you like facts, go look at our offensive stats, comparing last year to this year through our first five games. Then come back and tell me how good our offense is. I'll wait.

Fact: We have a transfer QB who can't stay on the field and a true freshman playing. Maybe you don't think QB play affects our scoring?

[TrapGame]

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

It was brought up on OOB this morning about being soft. I think it was Jackson that pointed out that when ever Joe gets punched in the mouth early in the game - UK 2018, AU 2019, KSU 2019 - he has a hard time recovering. It's like once he's off his script he can't get back on it and the team can't adjust

[Turfdawg67]

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

We definitely look soft... and slow.

[dantheman4248]

LoL! Agreed. Anyone else, besides me, who's reading this thread just scroll right past their little cat fight? Yawn.
34 at least knows a bit of football. 007 has no idea what’s actually going on.

[Bubb Rubb]

Fact: We have a transfer QB who can't stay on the field and a true freshman playing. Maybe you don't think QB play affects our scoring?

I'm responding to direct comments that our offense "is fine" or "is improved". I disagree with that assessment, and the numbers bear that out. Your excuses are certainly part of it.

[Turfdawg67]

34 at least knows a bit of football. 007 has no idea what’s actually going on.

Possibly. I look at him more like a party politician. He may know the truth, he may know what's going on, he may have great solutions ... but he's picked a side and that's all you'll get from him. Whatever fits his narrative.

[dantheman4248]

Possibly. I look at him more like a party politician. He may know the truth, he may know what's going on, he may have great solutions ... but he's picked a side and that's all you'll get from him. Whatever fits his narrative.

That’s a very apt analogy.

[gtowndawg]

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

Then I agree. I've used the exact same phrase with my friends..."we're just soft" - that's honestly the best way to describe it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Maybe you're right, but last night was completely unacceptable and I'm perfectly fine with everyone involved being put on notice.

The day we start accepting what happened last night, is the day we're done as a program. This program has come waaaay to far to stick with a coach that can't get a 17ing play call in.

That's a fair damn point.

[Johnson85]

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

Not saying we don't look undisciplined if not soft, but I'm not sure Saturday night's game is good evidence. We have been mentally weak on the road for a while. Do ok some games, but some games just fall apart out of the gate, including just getting embarrassed by Auburn in 2017.

[msstate7]

Wow @ this thread. Moorhead really needs a double digit victory at tenn

[Coursesuper]

There are a lot of former players that I know that are done with him

Sadly, this speaks volumes.

[shoeless joe]

Wow @ this thread. Moorhead really needs a double digit victory at tenn

I would say he needs his team to look prepared and disciplined and even then the questions would arise as to why/how this was addressed now and not some time last yr or during the off-season

[pilldawg]

Wow @ this thread. Moorhead really needs a double digit victory at tenn


Why is it all of the sudden some terrible tragedy for Moorhead.

[bluelightstar]

Why is it all of the sudden some terrible tragedy for Moorhead.

You can have a clunker or 2 when you have a track record. Moorhead is one disappointment after another disaster.

[gtowndawg]

I would say he needs his team to look prepared and disciplined and even then the questions would arise as to why/how this was addressed now and not some time last yr or during the off-season

100%

[Todd4State]

Not giving Eiland a pass, but when he's getting blown past it isn't necessarily cause he ain't giving it his best. Aeris took a while to work himself into being the featured back under Mullen which pissed me off (remember Hollaway up the middle). The reason was he was struggling to pass block. But he struggled cause he missed assignments about half the time, not because he was scared to do it like Hill. He'd stick his nose in there and battle that LB when he got the assignment right. Holloway never missed an assignment, but he was like a gnat to that LB and just get swatted away, but he'd still stick his nose in there and give it a shot. My argument was because of Holloway's size, even tho he was giving his best effort, he wasn't really keeping that LB tied up, so play Aeris who at least half the time blocked the LB.

Hill tries to avoid the contact most times one way or the other. Diving at the feet is one way to do that. All while saying he needs the ball more. That's why I get pissed. Or doing the twitter stuff with KY last year. Him and Guidry need a lot of attention. It for sure pisses me off that Joe keeps coddling Guidry. That kills a locker room. Those guys watch the video every Sunday. They may not say anything but they can see it. Fitz probably didn't say anything last year, but he could see why that LB was planting their helmet between his shoulder blades in about 1.5 secs or less (and I timed it quite a few times last year). As a QB, you gonna start rushing to get ball off if you know you ain't got time.

Going back to Eiland, and really everyone on O, it all goes back to the coaches and the "precision over tough" approach. You need to watch all 11 players each snap. All 11 are involved in the play every down. Don't just watch and fall in love (or not) with the players touching the football on each snap. Rewind the video in slo-mo. Watch what players do without the ball. If one guy doesn't do their job, the play is very likely to blow up.

In baseball, isolated players and only 2 to 6 or so max at any given time are involved in the play. Easier to see what's going on. I slo-mo'd a decent amount last year on video (the FL game 3 times) ... I tried to understand why plays REALLY were blown up ... I just didn't heap all the criticism on Fitz. Fitz actually played pretty damn good in FL game, but took all the blame.

We'll see how Shrader does going forward. He's got a lot of upside and is tough. I like him a lot. A lot of things can happen tho. You're basing your judgement on 1 and a half games. You change the savior of our team about 3 or more times a year. But it's never Joe's fault, which it ultimately is cause he's the head man. And I said the same damn thing under Mullen too. I was one of Mullen's harshest critics at times. Me and 7 argued about it all the time in fact.

Our completion percentage as a team is up 10% and we are on pace to cut our sacks down in half from last year. But yeah Kylin is ruining everything with his blocking.** You may not like me bashing Fitz- but at least my stance is backed up by stats instead of something completely made up. Like Kylin being afraid of contact. LOL. And while Kylin gets criticized for tweets before UK last year- something he hasn't done since- Aeris gets a complete pass for getting suspended last year for K-State? Double standard? Kylin isn't the best blocker but he is without question one of the most productive backs in the SEC.

And I never said Stevens was our "savior"- but I did say he would start over Key. So I wasn't wrong there either. And at the very least while he won't work out because of injuries at least he has taken pressure off of Shrader which still helps.

[msstate7]

Our completion percentage as a team is up 10% and we are on pace to cut our sacks down in half from last year. But yeah Kylin is ruining everything with his blocking.** You may not like me bashing Fitz- but at least my stance is backed up by stats instead of something completely made up. Like Kylin being afraid of contact. LOL. And while Kylin gets criticized for tweets before UK last year- something he hasn't done since- Aeris gets a complete pass for getting suspended last year for K-State? Double standard? Kylin isn't the best blocker but he is without question one of the most productive backs in the SEC.

And I never said Stevens was our "savior"- but I did say he would start over Key. So I wasn't wrong there either. And at the very least while he won't work out because of injuries at least he has taken pressure off of Shrader which still helps.

Don't you think sacks allowed will go up in sec play? We're 13th in sec and 84th nationally in sacks allowed. Pretty weird stat to brag about

[Pollodawg]

You can have a clunker or 2 when you have a track record. Moorhead is one disappointment after another disaster.

You complained about Mullen all the time, dude.

[msstate7]

You complained about Mullen all the time, dude.

Damn right... we all did after he got his butt handed to him. Now we make excuses

[bluelightstar]

You complained about Mullen all the time, dude.

Heck yeah I did. Mullen did stupid crap all the time. That doesn’t mean I have to give Moorhead a pass.

[QuadrupleOption]

I'm responding to direct comments that our offense "is fine" or "is improved". I disagree with that assessment, and the numbers bear that out. Your excuses are certainly part of it.

To be fair, you're comparing a year's worth of data to 5 games this season. It'd be better to wait until the season's over to compare the offensive performance. All things considered I think the offense is doing about as well as you could expect with our QB issues. We left two TDs on the field with bad turnovers in the Kentucky game, for example.

I'm NOT happy about our performance against Auburn but even though our O wasn't great, our D was atrocious along with our ST unit. Everyone sucked. It was a complete team effort.

[Bubb Rubb]

To be fair, you're comparing a year's worth of data to 5 games this season. It'd be better to wait until the season's over to compare the offensive performance. All things considered I think the offense is doing about as well as you could expect with our QB issues. We left two TDs on the field with bad turnovers in the Kentucky game, for example.

I'm NOT happy about our performance against Auburn but even though our O wasn't great, our D was atrocious along with our ST unit. Everyone sucked. It was a complete team effort.

No, I'm looking at five games in versus five games in. We are getting yards a little differently than last year but we are not improved overall. It's about the same.

[Reunion Dog]

How big a dumb a$$ are you saying making an F in a class & going on probation was less harsh than what the players got? When I was in school & you had enough defenciency points you had to sit out a semester of school before you could get back in. And I don't anyone who that happened to that was on a full ride like the athletes in Tutor gate... They kicked out Fred Brown his last year for plagiarism. When someone is taking your on line computer tests and they answer every question, lie about who they are and the student Athletic is fully aware of what is going on... It's basically the same thing.

All players and Nick W should have been kicked out of school. That would have made such a BIG POSITIVE STATEMENT to parents of players we are recruiting.

Yet we cover it up for as long as we can and have the worst negotiators in College Sports. Dumb a$$ Cohen gave away TO MUCH to settle with the NCAA.
Should have just expelled them and gotten the Positive Press that Academics "JUST MEAN MORE!". yes I just threw up in my mouth having to use that.

But weak leaders make weak & horrible decisions... And boy do we have some WHOPPERS in that in the leader's area ....





How many times are you going to repeat this stupid shit? Students do not get expelled for a first time offense of cheating. The players punishment was harsher than most students, who just get an F and go on probation.

[QuadrupleOption]

No, I'm looking at five games in versus five games in. We are getting yards a little differently than last year but we are not improved overall. It's about the same.

Gotcha. You said "last year" so that's where the misunderstanding came in. Disappointing, but I do think the silver lining is that it's the same output (roughly) with a freshman QB vs. a senior QB. So...uh...there's that.

[Todd4State]

Don't you think sacks allowed will go up in sec play? We're 13th in sec and 84th nationally in sacks allowed. Pretty weird stat to brag about

Last time I checked Auburn and Kentucky were in the SEC. And it probably won't barring an outlier game.

[MrKotter]

Last time I checked Auburn and Kentucky were in the SEC. And it probably won't barring an outlier game.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
Arguing with ms7 is pointless. He does not grasp how to argue and he is a 17ing idiot but thinks he makes great points. Put the inbred moron on ignore. It makes this site tolerable

[Coach34]

Fact: We have a transfer QB who can't stay on the field and a true freshman playing. Maybe you don't think QB play affects our scoring?

and we have a Jr QB that is 2-0 as a starter wasting away

[msstate7]

Last time I checked Auburn and Kentucky were in the SEC. And it probably won't barring an outlier game.

So if it stays steady, there's only 1 team worse at sacks allowed than us in the sec

[PMDawg]

6 wins is a pipe dream according to this insider.

Yeah, I'm about ready for JoeMo to leave on the next thing smoking, but even so this is one of the dumber things I've read on the "internets".

I don't care if JoeMo himself said 6 wins is a pipe dream, the team voted and they unanimously agreed - it doesn't mean jack. Much less some "one time great". It's just an opinion, and has no bearing on anything. So, what you've told us is that one person (granted, a person who knows a lot about football) has an opinion that we can't win 6 games with this team.

Ok. Noted. So what?

[Johnson85]

How big a dumb a$$ are you saying making an F in a class & going on probation was less harsh than what the players got? When I was in school & you had enough defenciency points you had to sit out a semester of school before you could get back in. And I don't anyone who that happened to that was on a full ride like the athletes in Tutor gate... They kicked out Fred Brown his last year for plagiarism. When someone is taking your on line computer tests and they answer every question, lie about who they are and the student Athletic is fully aware of what is going on... It's basically the same thing.

All players and Nick W should have been kicked out of school. That would have made such a BIG POSITIVE STATEMENT to parents of players we are recruiting.

Yet we cover it up for as long as we can and have the worst negotiators in College Sports. Dumb a$$ Cohen gave away TO MUCH to settle with the NCAA.
Should have just expelled them and gotten the Positive Press that Academics "JUST MEAN MORE!". yes I just threw up in my mouth having to use that.

But weak leaders make weak & horrible decisions... And boy do we have some WHOPPERS in that in the leader's area ....

You'd think someone living the pineapple lifestyle wouldn't be wound up so tight.

But to continue to correct you, getting an F and going on probation is indisputably less harsh than getting an F, going on probation, and losing 2/3's of a season of eligibility. Maybe athletes should be held to a higher standard than that, but it's simply false to say they are getting better treatment than non-athletes get for the same offense.

Fred Brown got kicked out, but I can almost guarantee you he didn't get kicked out for a first time offense. Hard to know unless he tells you what went down, since the school can't release the details.

[PMDawg]

Sloppy Joe will be the coach in 2020 regardless. Whether his seat is hot or not depends on how things go in October.

I agree with this post.

[PMDawg]

Watch... this is really easy. I was not aware of the 10. Even still, I have no issue admitting I was wrong. But I will never go against my team.

You on the other hand change like the wind.

Waiting on you to name them.

Name the 10.

[dantheman4248]

and we have a Jr QB that is 2-0 as a starter wasting away

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That is the most misleading stat.

We beat SFA and then Louisville with Peter Sirmon D and their heisman QB threw 3 INTs to one of our players.

You really think that should sell him with that stat?

[PMDawg]

Yeah, I'm done with it. Can't read a thing he posts from here on out.

that's how many feel about you too.

[MrKotter]

and we have a Jr QB that is 2-0 as a starter wasting away

Damn, grasping for anything. You like deleting your post people make fun of so I would delete this one because it?s dumb.

[BulldogBear]

At State you have to live tough. You have to live differently than most other programs in this league bc you are never going to just out talent them. They are concerned that the everything within the program, from the offseason on down has gotten soft.

Honestly, its hard to argue with them after watching that game the other night

Now that is the line of reasoning I've been waiting to hear, so to speak. That makes more sense. And it puts a finger on the concern. I share the same concern.

[R2Dawg]

and we have a Jr QB that is 2-0 as a starter wasting away

Good point somewhat lost in all this QB debate I guess because Shrader has looked so good but the choice of TS over KT looms large right now. Remember, Shrader didn't get many snaps being #3 coming into the year. Joe took a gamble and got burned. This is masked by Shrader's performance but KT I would think being in year two of Joe's system and 4th year at MSU could have brought some things to the table now.

[Dawgtini]

Watching all of these ?Dan Walsh? posters engage in massive revisionist history is worth the price of admission.

+1

[Bubb Rubb]

and we have a Jr QB that is 2-0 as a starter wasting away

This is a really, really, really stupid take. Really stupid. You're better than this - or either you're just trying to stir crap up.

If that guy was better than Shrader, he would be playing. He worked out a deal with Moorhead where he could stay on scholarship, but he's not playing unless he has to. He'll be back in the portal this winter.

[Commercecomet24]

This is a really, really, really stupid take. Really stupid. You're better than this - or either you're just trying to stir crap up.

If that guy was better than Shrader, he would be playing. He worked out a deal with Moorhead where he could stay on scholarship, but he's not playing unless he has to. He'll be back in the portal this winter.

Here's another way to look at it. We have a true freshman QB who is 1-0 as a starter in the SEC.

[Maverick]

Geeze, y'all need to chill out. Anybody listen to Cohen on Wyatt's show?

[TrapGame]

Geeze, y'all need to chill out. Anybody listen to Cohen on Wyatt's show?

Nope. I was working to pay the federal government. Give us the Cliff Notes.

[Coursesuper]

Geeze, y'all need to chill out. Anybody listen to Cohen on Wyatt's show?

No, what nuggets came out of that hard hitting interview?

[Commercecomet24]

Nope. I was working to pay the federal government. Give us the Cliff Notes.

Me too!

[ATTILLA THE DOG]

Me too!

Sounded like a whole lot of spinning to me. Great young talent,nobody works harder than joe,we never play good at auburn. Just a bunch of coach speak. Cohen may be feeling a little heat. I am a Cohen fan,not knocking him at all.

[Commercecomet24]

Sounded like a whole lot of spinning to me. Great young talent,nobody works harder than joe,we never play good at auburn. Just a bunch of coach speak. Cohen may be feeling a little heat. I am a Cohen fan,not knocking him at all.

Appreciate the info.

[timotheus]

If the team sputters against UT, ARk or OLE Miss you can bet the heat will rise even more. At this point, we can't be surprised. There is a lot of circling the wagons going on now.

[BrunswickDawg]

Standard fair - realizes we aren't where we need to be, no one works harder than Joe, knows everyone hates losing, and we are working to get better, has faith in Joe and what he does and how he works.

Wyatt brought up our bad history at AU so they talked some about '17 and how prepared we were under Mullen for that game and lost but the atmosphere seems to get to us. One interesting note from Wyatt - we had 7 false start penalties at AU in '17 and Cohen reminded him that the first 2 plays of that game we got back to back false starts. I'd totally forgotten that.

[msstate7]

Standard fair - realizes we aren't where we need to be, no one works harder than Joe, knows everyone hates losing, and we are working to get better, has faith in Joe and what he does and how he works.

Wyatt brought up our bad history at AU so they talked some about '17 and how prepared we were under Mullen for that game and lost but the atmosphere seems to get to us. One interesting note from Wyatt - we had 7 false start penalties at AU in '17 and Cohen reminded him that the first 2 plays of that game we got back to back false starts. I'd totally forgotten that.
Rankin got hurt, and Eiland got his first action ever (I think). Most of the false starts were him, pretty sure

[BrunswickDawg]

Rankin got hurt, and Eiland got his first action ever (I think). Most of the false starts were him, pretty sure

A quick glance at the play by play shows they were off a bit. The back to back false starts we're on our 2nd possession. We were 3rd and 1 on the AU 17- no player listed, then on 3rd and 6, Reese moved. We settle for a FG already down 7-0.

Skimming quickly I found 1 FS with no player, 3 on Reese, 1 on Williams, and 2 on Eliand

[msstate7]

A quick glance at the play by play shows they were off a bit. The back to back false starts we're on our 2nd possession. We were 3rd and 1 on the AU 17- no player listed, then on 3rd and 6, Reese moved. We settle for a FG already down 7-0.

Skimming quickly I found 1 FS with no player, 3 on Reese, 1 on Williams, and 2 on Eliand

Must be getting old

[Really Clark?]

Standard fair - realizes we aren't where we need to be, no one works harder than Joe, knows everyone hates losing, and we are working to get better, has faith in Joe and what he does and how he works.

Wyatt brought up our bad history at AU so they talked some about '17 and how prepared we were under Mullen for that game and lost but the atmosphere seems to get to us. One interesting note from Wyatt - we had 7 false start penalties at AU in '17 and Cohen reminded him that the first 2 plays of that game we got back to back false starts. I'd totally forgotten that.

Cohen lied about the start of that 2017 game then. Yeah we had a bunch of false starts but the first 2 (and they were back to back) was the 3rd and 1 at Auburn 12 when we were driving right after Auburn fumbled. We still got a FG and the score was 7-3. We had one false start on a first down play late in the 3rd by Reese. I think he and Eiland has the bulk of those false starts and nearly all of them were high leverage situations (3rd downs, red zone scoring drives).

[BrunswickDawg]

Cohen lied about the start of that 2017 game then. Yeah we had a bunch of false starts but the first 2 (and they were back to back) was the 3rd and 1 at Auburn 12 when we were driving right after Auburn fumbled. We still got a FG and the score was 7-3. We had one false start on a first down play late in the 3rd by Reese. I think he and Eiland has the bulk of those false starts and nearly all of them were high leverage situations (3rd downs, red zone scoring drives).

In his defense - Cohen said "I think". I don't think it was an intentional lie, just not an accurate memory. I'm sure someone will want him fired for it though.

[Coursesuper]

Standard fair - realizes we aren't where we need to be, no one works harder than Joe, knows everyone hates losing, and we are working to get better, has faith in Joe and what he does and how he works.

Wyatt brought up our bad history at AU so they talked some about '17 and how prepared we were under Mullen for that game and lost but the atmosphere seems to get to us. One interesting note from Wyatt - we had 7 false start penalties at AU in '17 and Cohen reminded him that the first 2 plays of that game we got back to back false starts. I'd totally forgotten that.

Well what would you expect with Cohen getting interviewed by Wyatt. Cohen trying to get out in front of things, doing the PR work to try to keep asses in seats, that's his job right now.

[Really Clark?]

In his defense - Cohen said "I think". I don't think it was an intentional lie, just not an accurate memory. I'm sure someone will want him fired for it though.

I’m sure that’s true and qualifying with “I think” is definitely a difference. I probably hold him a little more accountable when you state specifically it was the first 2 plays when it was the second series, after running several plays, and 3rd down deep in their territory but none of us have perfect recall. I just didn’t think he was right when I saw your post

[BrunswickDawg]

Well what would you expect with Cohen getting interviewed by Wyatt. Cohen trying to get out in front of things, doing the PR work to try to keep asses in seats, that's his job right now.
It was what I expected - I'm just relaying info.
And you are correct, Cohen was doing his job as he should be right now,regardless of what he says in private or what he demands of Joe going forward (or doesn't).

[BrunswickDawg]

I’m sure that’s true and qualifying with “I think” is definitely a difference. I probably hold him a little more accountable when you state specifically it was the first 2 plays when it was the second series, after running several plays, and 3rd down deep in their territory but none of us have perfect recall. I just didn’t think he was right when I saw your post

I didn't either, which is why I went and checked.

[Reunion Dog]

What do you expect Cohen to say? SHIT DUMBO WAS HIS HIRE!

Damn right he is gonna spin it. How much would anyone bet he has talked with the Male Cheerleader from Jackson Prep since Saturday nite .... Then what is the over/under on HOW MANY TIMES?

This shit show is gonna keep on until Keenum is gone. That liberal passifast has NO POWER since Cochran is gone. Our whole University is fixing to go thru a RUDE awakening.

And we are at our lowest in football in a decade while the Confederates have NO CHANCELLOR OR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. LET THAT REALITY SINK IN...

[Reunion Dog]

17 A! U got a problem with that?


If the team sputters against UT, ARk or OLE Miss you can bet the heat will rise even more. At this point, we can't be surprised. There is a lot of circling the wagons going on now.


A quick glance at the play by play shows they were off a bit. The back to back false starts we're on our 2nd possession. We were 3rd and 1 on the AU 17- no player listed, then on 3rd and 6, Reese moved. We settle for a FG already down 7-0.

Skimming quickly I found 1 FS with no player, 3 on Reese, 1 on Williams, and 2 on Eliand

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I heard you were a dumbass from multiple sources including your wife.

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[Maverick]

Nope. I was working to pay the federal government. Give us the Cliff Notes.

Was doing the same, just happen to listen during my lunch. Sounds like y'all got the gist of it. I was just going to say to the "Mullen never had a undisciplined team crowd" regardless of whether Cohen was right or not, Wyatt said we had 7 false starts in that game so he had his moments too. Moorhead is here so may as well just get behind him. That doesn't mean we have to be ok with the discipline issues but for the people calling for his head, that's over the top.

[yjnkdawg]

WOW!!! 23,000 views. It seems this title spurred the interest of more than just your normal active ED members.