Rutgers fires coach, Moorhead is on the list

[WildDawg]

See story...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/rutgers-fires-head-coach-chris-ash-reportedly-sets-its-eyes-on-greg-schiano/

[msstate7]

Please don't go Joe! (eye roll)

[dawgday166]

Now I think I can get on that there bandwagon.

[Cooterpoot]

Can we swap til end of season?

[ShotgunDawg]

Hire that M'Fer

[chef dixon]

Amazing anyone would want to hire him fresh off of last night

[Dawg61]

We aren't that lucky

[Coach007]

Amazing anyone would want to hire him fresh off of last night

no rationale.....

We both know they are just venting.

[dawgday166]

We aren't that lucky

Not even remotely. Damn good bandwagon to hop aboard tho.

[State82]

We aren't that lucky

No, we are not. No way we are lucky enough to get buy-out money in addition to new leadership.

[bluelightstar]

This sounds like guesswork, but Moorhead heading back to the Big 10 wouldn't shock me. He looks shell shocked in the SEC.

[Pollodawg]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.

[timotheus]

we give him another year and then wait for explanations as to why things are no better even though we have D players now a year older and a seasoned QB to rally behind but the play calling and no discipline still shows up. meh below average

[timotheus]

moorhead uses lots of guess work

[Dawg61]

Whose signing up for the Rutgers boards? Do they even have any? GymTanLaundryRutgers.com

[Bothrops]

Rutgers joining the Big 10 is one of those head scratchers.

[Dawg61]

Rutgers joining the Big 10 is one of those head scratchers.


Going after the New York City market for cable dollars.

[shoeless joe]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.

A lot of folks didn’t realize what we had in Mullen. Combine that with his personality and job shopping and you get what you got.

[msbulldog]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.

Happy days are here again! Rep given!

[NCDawg]

Article says Rutgers wants Schiano. I do think Rutgers would be a better fit for Moorhead.

[chef dixon]

You can't win at Rutgers in the big 10 now

[Todd4State]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.

Short answer- no.

Coach yells and cusses at players. "But I don't want to hear or see that kind of language as a fan. If you can't coach without cussing you're really not a very good coach".

MSU hires a coach that is more "laid back"- "But our coach doesn't seem to have any fire or energy. Where's the emotion that we used to see on the sideline from the coach that used to cuss?"

MSU fans want the polar opposite of whatever they have at the moment.

I swear- if we were beating people 70-0 every single game we would have fans that would say- "But do we really have to run the score up on Ole Miss? I mean it looks classless and I think it's excessive and unnecessary. And I guarantee you it will come back to bite us in the ass when they get a chance to run it up on us one day. I feel like it's unsportsmanlike and I'm embarrassed when I hear other fans talk about how we ran it up on them."


Back to the thread- seriously, losing a football coach to Rutgers would be an embarrassing low point for MSU football. No way in hell it happens unless Rutgers throws Nick Saban money at Joe. And that's not happening.

[Todd4State]

A lot of folks didn’t realize what we had in Mullen. Combine that with his personality and job shopping and you get what you got.

Oh- a lot of realize what we had in Mullen. A lot of us also realized he didn't really want to be here and he had hit his ceiling here as well.

[Todd4State]

You can't win at Rutgers in the big 10 now

You can't win at Rutgers in the Big East either.

[chef dixon]

You can't win at Rutgers in the Big East either.

Well they did in the 2000s but either way its a dead end job right now

[Todd4State]

Well they did in the 2000s but either way its a dead end job right now

True. Which is why Schiano is the guy that they want in the first place.

[yjnkdawg]

LOL Do any of you think that JoeMo would even consider the Rutgers' job if he was offered it. That would mean that he would be saying that he can't cut it in the SEC. He may not can, but we are not even midway yet into his second season. As mentioned above, it would also be a slap in the face to our football program. Taking a demotion to leave MSU. Auburn will win more games and they may even pull off an upset.

[deadheaddawg]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.


Yep. And add to it the completely IDIOTIC statements like "what will it take to get Urban or Stoops"

Those kinda guys are not coming here. Our only options would be a retread or an unknown up and comer

The biggest name coach we might can get is someone like Mike Leech or Les Miles......who ceiling would be 8-9 wins here.....Or we go get another unknown, like Moorhead or Pruit.

So here are our options.
1) be satisfied with an 8 win program and over pay someone like Mike Leech to do it.
2) hire a coordinator/small school coach and hope we get lucky.

That's it. Take your pick

For me, Moorhead is our coach for 2019. That isn't changing. He recruiting well and I'm going to get behind him. He's going to be here, might as well show the recruits reading these post we have some decent fans

[msstate7]

LOL Do any of you think that JoeMo would even consider the Rutgers' job if he was offered it. That would mean that he would be saying that he can't cut it in the SEC. He may not can, but we are not even midway yet into his second season. As mentioned above, it would also be a slap in the face to our football program. Taking a demotion to leave MSU. Auburn will win more games and they may even pull off an upset.

No, I don't think Moorhead would go to Rutgers. I sure wouldn't be upset in the least though if he did

[dawgday166]

LOL Do any of you think that JoeMo would even consider the Rutgers' job if he was offered it. That would mean that he would be saying that he can't cut it in the SEC. He may not can, but we are not even midway yet into his second season. As mentioned above, it would also be a slap in the face to our football program. Taking a demotion to leave MSU. Auburn will win more games and they may even pull off an upset.

Dude .. don't be killing our dream!! We fantasizing about that brunette pornstar and Rutgers is it right now. ****

[msstate7]

Yep. And add to it the completely IDIOTIC statements like "what will it take to get Urban or Stoops"

Those kinda guys are not coming here. Our only options would be a retread or an unknown up and comer

The biggest name coach we might can get is someone like Mike Leech or Les Miles......who ceiling would be 8-9 wins here.....Or we go get another unknown, like Moorhead or Pruit.

So here are our options.
1) be satisfied with an 8 win program and over pay someone like Mike Leech to do it.
2) hire a coordinator/small school coach and hope we get lucky.

That's it. Take your pick

The sunbelt is a nice football conference that we should be looking at for HCs if a need arises. West Virginia, Louisville, and Tulane have got promising HCs from the sun belt. Om and auburn got good coaches from sun belt this decade too. I like this strategy bc they know the area

[RocketDawg]

Rutgers joining the Big 10 is one of those head scratchers.

Rutgers beat up on Alabama in 1981, something like 30-7. I believe that was when The Bear was still there.

[yjnkdawg]

Yep. And add to it the completely IDIOTIC statements like "what will it take to get Urban or Stoops"

Those kinda guys are not coming here. Our only options would be a retread or an unknown up and comer

The biggest name coach we might can get is someone like Mike Leech or Les Miles......who ceiling would be 8-9 wins here.....Or we go get another unknown, like Moorhead or Pruit.

So here are our options.
1) be satisfied with an 8 win program and over pay someone like Mike Leech to do it.
2) hire a coordinator/small school coach and hope we get lucky.

That's it. Take your pick

For me, Moorhead is our coach for 2019. That isn't changing. He recruiting well and I'm going to get behind him. He's going to be here, might as well show the recruits reading these post we have some decent fans

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to deadheaddawg again.

[yjnkdawg]

Dude .. don't be killing our dream!! We fantasizing about that brunette pornstar and Rutgers is it right now. ****


I'm sorry dawgday for killing yall's fantasy dream. :(

[dawgday166]

I'm sorry dawgday for killing yall's fantasy dream. :(

It did sorta crush my hopes and dreams. No worries ... it's cool tho.:cool:

[AROB44]

What amazes me is that the current Rutgers coach has an 8.5 million buyout. I mean Rutgers!

[deadheaddawg]

The sunbelt is a nice football conference that we should be looking at for HCs if a need arises. West Virginia, Louisville, and Tulane have got promising HCs from the sun belt. Om and auburn got good coaches from sun belt this decade too. I like this strategy bc they know the area

Still unknowns. And how does west Virginia and Louisville fans feel about their "promising" coach? Because I bet most people outside of this message board would still put Moorhead in the "promising coach" category.

We could hire someone like Norvell from Memphis, but we might end up like Virginia tech. They hired the last promising Memphis coach, Justin Fuente, and it's not looking good

The absolute truth is, we have to hire based on promise and potential......and you can't run coaches off after 1-2 years when you are a program that has to hire based off promise and potential.

[dawgday166]

Anyone we could get as HC is an unknown unless it's someone like Jackie. On paper, Joe was a good hire and the risk seemed low to get something that appears to be as bad as we got. I was kinda impressed with the coaches he hired that left what appeared to be more prestigious jobs to come work for him. But those same coaches then bolted out the door after last season too ... reasons unknown.

[msstate7]

Still unknowns. And how does west Virginia and Louisville fans feel about their "promising" coach? Because I bet most people outside of this message board would still put Moorhead in the "promising coach" category.

We could hire someone like Norvell from Memphis, but we might end up like West Virginia. They hired the last promising Memphis coach, Justin Fuente, and it's not looking good

The absolute truth is, we have to hire based on promise and potential......and you can't run coaches off after 1-2 years when you are a program that has to hire based off promise and potential.

West Virginia didn't hire Fuente

[msstate7]

Next time we hire, we should look for coaches that do more with less. For this reason, I love Dave Clawson at wake forest.

[deadheaddawg]

West Virginia didn't hire Fuente

I meant Virginia tech. Point still stands

[dawgday166]

Next time we hire, we should look for coaches that do more less. For this reason, I love Dave Clawson at wake forest.

Spot on. However on video Joe has said he can do that too. Seriously.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The sunbelt is a nice football conference that we should be looking at for HCs if a need arises. West Virginia, Louisville, and Tulane have got promising HCs from the sun belt. Om and auburn got good coaches from sun belt this decade too. I like this strategy bc they know the area

2 of those 3 are in their first year, so saying "they got promising HCs from the sunbelt" really means no more than saying "We got a promising OC hire from a good team". Morris was a "promising" HC hire. McElwain was a "promising" HC hire. Sumlin was a "promisng" HC hire. Malzahn was a "promising" HC hire that actually worked out. Orgeron was a DL coach and a joke of a hire but he worked out. Lincoln Reilly was a promising OC hire and he's worked out so far.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot any path you take. Personally I like hiring a G5 HC over a P5 OC, which I prefer to a P5 DC. If we think Moorhead was a bad hire then I don't know why we'd think Cohen would do better round 2.

If I had to make a hire I guess I'd get Napier from ULL, but for all we know he'll be worse than Moorhead.

Moorhead is recruiting well, so I say let him have year 3 and see if he's fixed some of his flaws. He can be a really good HC if he'd instill more physicality, learn to manage a game, and get the team to play with energy. And if he can't fix anything his recruiting will leave the next coach in a good place, so we didn't tank the program by keeping JoMo too long

[yjnkdawg]

2 of those 3 are in their first year, so saying "they got promising HCs from the sunbelt" really means no more than saying "We got a promising OC hire from a good team". Morris was a "promising" HC hire. McElwain was a "promising" HC hire. Sumlin was a "promisng" HC hire. Malzahn was a "promising" HC hire that actually worked out. Orgeron was a DL coach and a joke of a hire but he worked out. Lincoln Reilly was a promising OC hire and he's worked out so far.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot any path you take. Personally I like hiring a G5 HC over a P5 OC, which I prefer to a P5 DC. If we think Moorhead was a bad hire then I don't know why we'd think Cohen would do better round 2.

If I had to make a hire I guess I'd get Napier from ULL, but for all we know he'll be worse than Moorhead.

Moorhead is recruiting well, so I say let him have year 3 and see if he's fixed some of his flaws. He can be a really good HC if he'd instill more physicality, learn to manage a game, and get the team to play with energy. And if he can't fix anything his recruiting will leave the next coach in a good place, so we didn't tank the program by keeping JoMo too long


Coach O learned from his mistakes when he was the HC at OM. Yep

[msstate7]

2 of those 3 are in their first year, so saying "they got promising HCs from the sunbelt" really means no more than saying "We got a promising OC hire from a good team". Morris was a "promising" HC hire. McElwain was a "promising" HC hire. Sumlin was a "promisng" HC hire. Malzahn was a "promising" HC hire that actually worked out. Orgeron was a DL coach and a joke of a hire but he worked out. Lincoln Reilly was a promising OC hire and he's worked out so far.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot any path you take. Personally I like hiring a G5 HC over a P5 OC, which I prefer to a P5 DC. If we think Moorhead was a bad hire then I don't know why we'd think Cohen would do better round 2.

If I had to make a hire I guess I'd get Napier from ULL, but for all we know he'll be worse than Moorhead.

Moorhead is recruiting well, so I say let him have year 3 and see if he's fixed some of his flaws. He can be a really good HC if he'd instill more physicality, learn to manage a game, and get the team to play with energy. And if he can't fix anything his recruiting will leave the next coach in a good place, so we didn't tank the program by keeping JoMo too long

Neal brown has the same number of sec road wins as joe Moorhead, and Moorhead took over a top 20 team

[Dawg61]

Next time we hire, we should look for coaches that do more with less. For this reason, I love Dave Clawson at wake forest.

Oh man it's you throwing out darts again like during the Joe wants anyone that breathes Qb transfer game. Not disagreeing Clawson would be a good hire just saying he's about the fifth name you've thrown out already.

[msstate7]

Oh man it's you throwing out darts again like during the Joe wants anyone that breathes Qb transfer game. Not disagreeing Clawson would be a good hire just saying he's about the fifth name you've thrown out already.

Who were the first 4? I'll wait

ETA... of course, you won't produce one bc Clawson has been my #1 for 2 years

[Dawg61]

Who were the first 4? I'll wait

ETA... of course, you won't produce one bc Clawson has been my #1 for 2 years

Look one post above mine for your 2nd boner. You can search your rest. I know you know how to use the search function.

[msstate7]

Look one post above mine for your 2nd boner. You can search your rest. I know you know how to use the search function.

Neal brown is at West Virginia; he ain't coming here. Satterfield wouldn't leave Louisville either imo.

[dawgday166]

I'm wanna see more of Satterfield anyway. If at end of next year he doing good, get him to coach Shrader's senior year (if Shrader reaches close to his upside).

[Todd4State]

Anyone we could get as HC is an unknown unless it's someone like Jackie. On paper, Joe was a good hire and the risk seemed low to get something that appears to be as bad as we got. I was kinda impressed with the coaches he hired that left what appeared to be more prestigious jobs to come work for him. But those same coaches then bolted out the door after last season too ... reasons unknown.

Reasons unknown? They left for the NFL and Alabama for the most part.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Neal brown has the same number of sec road wins as joe Moorhead, and Moorhead took over a top 20 team

I wanted Brown when we were job searching. I like him. I'm just saying plenty of G5 HC's have failed at the P5 level, so you can't simply say "Troy played great under him, so we will too". It's still a crapshoot, though obviously hiring the more promising and proven candidate gives better odds than if you don't.

My issue with Clawson is that he's barely winning 7-8 games a year... Yes he's at a program worse than ours, but he's playing in the weakest P5 conference too. Here he'd have better talent but be playing better talent. He also didn't blow the doors off at Bowling Green before Wake. He'd be competing against better coaches too. I have serious doubts he'd get us to better than 8-4, and there's a decent chance to me he'd barely claw to 6-6

[RocketDawg]

Just looked at the "Coach's Hot Seat" site and Joe isn't even on the list. It has a current date at the top of the site, but it's not up to date. Still lists Meyer as HC at Ohio State and Kliff Kingsbury as HC at Texas Tech.

http://coacheshotseat.com

[Dawg61]

Kendal Briles OC Florida State

[Dawg61]

Just looked at the "Coach's Hot Seat" site and Joe isn't even on the list. It has a current date at the top of the site, but it's not up to date. Still lists Meyer as HC at Ohio State and Kliff Kingsbury as HC at Texas Tech.

http://coacheshotseat.com

Must of gone outta business

[RocketDawg]

Neal brown is at West Virginia; he ain't coming here. Satterfield wouldn't leave Louisville either imo.

Klieman at Kansas State?

[Bothrops]

As ominous as things seem after last night, we sink or swim with Moorhead because of Shrader. He is here because of Moorhead and for no other reason. He needs a lot of development as a passer, but he's a critical piece going forward. Now if we can get a defense we'd be in good shape. We need a defense, otherwise everything and everybody is a waste.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Reasons unknown? They left for the NFL and Alabama for the most part.

Seriously people are crazy with their double standards. Everyone understands that Mullen has a better shot at national championships at UF... well, Baker and Huff have a better shot at promotions if they're at Bama. If Aranda became a NFL DC would anyone say Orgeron is going to fail and Aranda is bailing on him? Yet Piroli leaves for the same job in the NFL and that's the narrative here. Confirmation bias at it's finest. They decided JoMo will fail and now everything is proof of it

[Todd4State]

I wanted Brown when we were job searching. I like him. I'm just saying plenty of G5 HC's have failed at the P5 level, so you can't simply say "Troy played great under him, so we will too". It's still a crapshoot, though obviously hiring the more promising and proven candidate gives better odds than if you don't.

My issue with Clawson is that he's barely winning 7-8 games a year... Yes he's at a program worse than ours, but he's playing in the weakest P5 conference too. Here he'd have better talent but be playing better talent. He also didn't blow the doors off at Bowling Green before Wake. He'd be competing against better coaches too. I have serious doubts he'd get us to better than 8-4, and there's a decent chance to me he'd barely claw to 6-6

There is always some risk with any hire.

But big picture- I don't think anyone can really call Joe a failure at this point. We're winning at the same rate as we have been under Dan. That's not "taking a step back". And at the same time we're recruiting better which if things pan out will lead to better regular seasons and upsets over the long run. If it's year four- then maybe you could say "well, we aren't really making any progress" but it's simply not.

We have so many fans that absolutely want Joe to fail and it's absolutely ridiculous because they'll grasp at any kind of straw that they can find to make their point.

[Todd4State]

As ominous as things seem after last night, we sink or swim with Moorhead because of Shrader. He is here because of Moorhead and for no other reason. He needs a lot of development as a passer, but he's a critical piece going forward. Now if we can get a defense we'd be in good shape. We need a defense, otherwise everything and everybody is a waste.

Shrader and the JUCO's coming in. Many of whom are on defense.

[dawgday166]

Reasons unknown? They left for the NFL and Alabama for the most part.

Getsy went back to a job he left. Piroli came from NFL to work with Joe, went back. Had been here before too in 2014 ... so knew what he was coming to. Lukabu came from NFL and went back. Huff left PSU a somewhat blue blood to follow Joe ... one of his mentors. Then leave to work for Saban. Baker leaving for Bama is only real authentic reason someone left IMO. Baker came from HS to MSU. He moved up going to Bama.

Everyone else stepped down from previous jobs to "work with Joe cause he's brilliant and a real leader" to bolting out the door at end of season.

[msstate7]

Delete

[Todd4State]

Seriously people are crazy with their double standards. Everyone understands that Mullen has a better shot at national championships at UF... well, Baker and Huff have a better shot at promotions if they're at Bama. If Aranda became a NFL DC would anyone say Orgeron is going to fail and Aranda is bailing on him? Yet Piroli leaves for the same job in the NFL and that's the narrative here. Confirmation bias at it's finest. They decided JoMo will fail and now everything is proof of it

Nailed it. Same rehashed BS- different coach. And then they'll go radio silent after our next win.

[dawgday166]

Klieman at Kansas State?

Too early to tell. Needs to be watched going forward tho to see how he do.

[timotheus]

I can't say that I want Joe to fail. I feel that he ultimately will fail due to an inability to in game coach and adequately prepare and organize. Just because he says something does in no way mean that it will just come to fruition.

[Todd4State]

Getsy went back to a job he left. Piroli came from NFL to work with Joe, went back. Had been here before too in 2014 ... so knew what he was coming to. Lukabu came from NFL and went back. Huff left PSU a somewhat blue blood to follow Joe ... one of his mentors. Then leave to work for Saban. Baker leaving for Bama is only real authentic reason someone left IMO. Baker came from HS to MSU. He moved up going to Bama.

Everyone else stepped down from previous jobs to "work with Joe cause he's brilliant and a real leader" to bolting out the door at end of season.

Getsy is the Packers QB coach and one step away from possibly being their OC. After Aaron Rodgers wanted him to go there.

Piroli was an assistant SC in the NFL before coming to MSU and is now a head SC for the Buccaneers.

Lukabu was a QC coach and went from that to LB coach at MSU and is now a LB coach for the Bengals.

Alabama is a step up from both MSU and Penn State. And I believe Huff is from the south which explains why he came to MSU in the first place. Huff has also been given an AHC title at Alabama as well.

They're "bolting out the door" after they are earning promotions.

[dawgday166]

Getsy is the Packers QB coach and one step away from possibly being their OC. After Aaron Rodgers wanted him to go there.

Piroli was an assistant SC in the NFL before coming to MSU and is now a head SC for the Buccaneers.

Lukabu was a QC coach and went from that to LB coach at MSU and is now a LB coach for the Bengals.

Alabama is a step up from both MSU and Penn State. And I believe Huff is from the south which explains why he came to MSU in the first place. Huff has also been given an AHC title at Alabama as well.

They're "bolting out the door" after they are earning promotions.

Maybe all of that is true ... as I stated "reasons unknown". I'm not sure what the real reasons were. Seemed like a mass exodus to me tho.

[shoeless joe]

Anyone we could get as HC is an unknown unless it's someone like Jackie. On paper, Joe was a good hire and the risk seemed low to get something that appears to be as bad as we got. I was kinda impressed with the coaches he hired that left what appeared to be more prestigious jobs to come work for him. But those same coaches then bolted out the door after last season too ... reasons unknown.

At this point it?s safe to say that the reasons are known

[dawgday166]

At this point it?s safe to say that the reasons are known

You implying jumping from "sinking ship"?

[yjnkdawg]

Getsy went back to a job he left. Piroli came from NFL to work with Joe, went back. Had been here before too in 2014 ... so knew what he was coming to. Lukabu came from NFL and went back. Huff left PSU a somewhat blue blood to follow Joe ... one of his mentors. Then leave to work for Saban. Baker leaving for Bama is only real authentic reason someone left IMO. Baker came from HS to MSU. He moved up going to Bama.

Everyone else stepped down from previous jobs to "work with Joe cause he's brilliant and a real leader" to bolting out the door at end of season.


It could be that the ones who went back to the NFL, and had been previous coaches there, just decided that they liked the NFL better, and no recruiting responsibilities as there are in college football. I do think when Piroli left, though, that our toughness, strength, agility, etc. left with him.

[dawgday166]

It could be that the ones who went back to the NFL, and had been previous coaches there, just decided that they liked the NFL better, and no recruiting responsibilities as there are in college football. I do think when Piroli left, though, that our toughness, strength, agility, etc. left with him.

Could be ... I never said I knew but have wondered about it. Yet, 2 or 3 of them were so hyped to "come work with Joe" and to "learn from him". That seemed to end abruptly ... maybe for reasons that had nothing to do with Joe. Or maybe they learned enough from Joe.

ETA: Mullen had a lot of coaching turnover too in the beginning and on D side of ball till Grantham. D side used to piss me off too. So I ain't been holding this against Joe. There are other things tho I see that I just don't think he gets or understands.

[RezDog7]

A lot of folks didn?t realize what we had in Mullen. Combine that with his personality and job shopping and you get what you got.

I have been a Moorhead supporter up until last night. I hated Mullen for trying to leave every year and getting his ass kicked by OM. Even though he had some bad games, I don't remember players being that undisciplined and just flat lazy. I don't know what to think anymore other than Tuesday is the start of deer season so I'm going to find something else to do with my time. Hopefully a cold front comes through soon.

[yjnkdawg]

Could be ... I never said I knew but have wondered about it. Yet, 2 or 3 of them were so hyped to "come work with Joe" and to "learn from him". That seemed to end abruptly ... maybe for reasons that had nothing to do with Joe. Or maybe they learned enough from Joe.

ETA: Mullen had a lot of coaching turnover too in the beginning and on D side of ball till Grantham. D side used to piss me off too. So I ain't been holding this against Joe. There are other things tho I see that I just don't think he gets or understands.

If you don't like the recruiting responsibilities then you definitely would not want to be in a JoeMo based football program.

I think DM was trying to micromanage the defense too much prior to Grantham, and then for some reason he felt he needed to get out of the defense micromanaging or felt confident in letting Grantham run it , and him focus strictly on the offense. That may not be exactly as it happened but I believe that is close and more on the later why he changed.

[dawgday166]

I think DM was trying to micromanage the defense too much prior to Grantham, and then for some reason he felt he needed to get out the defense micromanaging or felt confident in letting Grantham run it , and him focus strictly on the offense. That may not be exactly as it happened but I believe that is close and more on the later why he changed.

I think so too. That and before Grantham he blamed the D and its coodinator for all the woes of the team. Never would be critical of his O.

[Cooterpoot]

Dan wasn’t involved with the defense like some say. That’s mostly false.

[BhamDawg205]

Kendal Briles OC Florida State

Would be high on my list... Bright offensive mind. At least his dad can be an off campus advisor to help in the HC department.

[AROB44]

If Joe is fired, I would bet that Schrader transfers.

[BhamDawg205]

If Joe is fired, I would bet that Schrader transfers.

May ultimately depend on coach and offensive scheme.

[shoeless joe]

You implying jumping from "sinking ship"?

Continuation of all my previous posts...jomo doesn’t run the program to an acceptable standard. So u get out while the gettin is still decent.

[Bothrops]

If Joe is fired, I would bet that Schrader transfers.

If he got fired next year, no doubt about it. But Shrader is going to save Moorhead, that is, if we can find an SEC defense. That's a huge if...huge if.

[TrapGame]

If he got fired next year, no doubt about it. But Shrader is going to save Moorhead, that is, if we can find an SEC defense. That's a huge if...huge if.

Exactly.

Shrader is Moorhead's Dak Prescott. If we can get some good JUCO talent to help out the defense we might see a significant uptick next season and 2021 could be special.

[dawgman15]

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/09/chris-ash-fired-as-rutgers-football-coach-joe-moorhead-said-to-be-a-replacement-candidate.html
What does it say about our program if we do lose him to Rutgers and who would actually be mad?

[HoopsDawg]

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/09/chris-ash-fired-as-rutgers-football-coach-joe-moorhead-said-to-be-a-replacement-candidate.html
What does it say about our program if we do lose him to Rutgers and who would actually be mad?

That would be outstanding. Joe would be a great fit there. Let's make it happen.

[StoneDawg]

Remember how many of you wanted Dan gone? Now, you want Moorhead gone. Are any of you ever satisfied?
Yeah, last night sucked, but what do you do? I don?t wanna hear a bullshit theoretical from coaches waiting to be fired on here. I want to hear actual answers.

I listened to people bitch, and bitch, and bitch about Mullen. Now he?s gone. And you?re still bitching. Some of you are just miserable people.

This

[chef dixon]

I think its safe to assume there's a national perception that coaches don't want to be here. Sucks but is what it is.

[dawgman15]

Thanks for bumping, I didn't see this post.

[bulldawg989]

https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/09/chris-ash-fired-as-rutgers-football-coach-joe-moorhead-said-to-be-a-replacement-candidate.html
What does it say about our program if we do lose him to Rutgers and who would actually be mad?

It would say he's tired of getting his ass kicked and he'd somewhat acknowledge his "system" doesn't work against SEC defenses. I think Moorhead is a good offensive coach but he cannot multi-task, i.e., he can't manage the responsibilities of a HC on game day (or any other time based on the shit show that happens on the field every week). When he was at Penn State he had James Franklin to handle the team (game day, preparation, discipline, etc.), all Moorhead had to do was offense - couple that with less than stout Big 10 defenses & two very good players in McSorley and Barkley and his system and capabilities shine. He doesn't have what he needs, someone who can do what he can't...manage a team in all its facets. He's not a HC, no shame in that he's just not capable at this level.

In all honesty, Rutgers would be a good spot for him, no real expectations and he can go back to outwitting Big 10 defenses. If this did happen (I have serious doubts it'll happen) I'd promote Shoop to HC and let the chips fall where they may.

[CadaverDawg]

Can someone link me to the GoFundMe for Rutgers to pay him? Thanks in advance

[Maroonthirteen]

I think its safe to assume there's a national perception that coaches don't want to be here. Sucks but is what it is.

Football wise that would be a step backwards. But living just outside NYC vs Starkville May be tempting for a NE guy.

[RocketDawg]

Football wise that would be a step backwards. But living just outside NYC vs Starkville May be tempting for a NE guy.

He's technically from the Northeast, but it's western Pennsylvania which is about as far removed from NYC (socially) as Starkville is.

[TrapGame]

He's technically from the Northeast, but it's western Pennsylvania which is about as far removed from NYC (socially) as Starkville is.

Yeah, I believe the saying from James Carville was Western PA is Alabama without the accents.

[Fader21]

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[Fader21]

Yep. And add to it the completely IDIOTIC statements like "what will it take to get Urban or Stoops"

Those kinda guys are not coming here. Our only options would be a retread or an unknown up and comer

The biggest name coach we might can get is someone like Mike Leech or Les Miles......who ceiling would be 8-9 wins here.....Or we go get another unknown, like Moorhead or Pruit.

So here are our options.
1) be satisfied with an 8 win program and over pay someone like Mike Leech to do it.
2) hire a coordinator/small school coach and hope we get lucky.

That's it. Take your pick

For me, Moorhead is our coach for 2019. That isn't changing. He recruiting well and I'm going to get behind him. He's going to be here, might as well show the recruits reading these post we have some decent fans

Stop bringing common sense to a message board....Rep given anyway

[TUSK]

Rutgers beat up on Alabama in 1981, something like 30-7. I believe that was when The Bear was still there.

Da fuq?🤔

[Cooterpoot]

Dear Joe,

I?ve toured Rutgers and all their athletic facilities. It?s an incredible place! Far superior to
State and the southerner good ole boy crap in Starkville. And Starkville is a shit hole, just ask Megan and several former asst, coach wives. Peter Sirmon commuted from Nashville it?s so bad. You should really look into the HC job there. Did I mention it?s a beautiful area between the Jersey beaches and Eastern PA hills. It?s always great to live near home.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It would say he's tired of getting his ass kicked and he'd somewhat acknowledge his "system" doesn't work against SEC defenses. I think Moorhead is a good offensive coach but he cannot multi-task, i.e., he can't manage the responsibilities of a HC on game day (or any other time based on the shit show that happens on the field every week). When he was at Penn State he had James Franklin to handle the team (game day, preparation, discipline, etc.), all Moorhead had to do was offense - couple that with less than stout Big 10 defenses & two very good players in McSorley and Barkley and his system and capabilities shine. He doesn't have what he needs, someone who can do what he can't...manage a team in all its facets. He's not a HC, no shame in that he's just not capable at this level.

In all honesty, Rutgers would be a good spot for him, no real expectations and he can go back to outwitting Big 10 defenses. If this did happen (I have serious doubts it'll happen) I'd promote Shoop to HC and let the chips fall where they may.

Absolutely not. You'd be replacing an unproven HC with an unsuccessful HC. If this were to happen, which it's not because Schiano is going to be their new HC, we would need a national search.

[BulldogBear]

Just in case y'all haven't seen it (I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread):

https://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.com/2019/9/30/20891666/joe-moorhead-rutgers

[Randolph Dupree]

2 of those 3 are in their first year, so saying "they got promising HCs from the sunbelt" really means no more than saying "We got a promising OC hire from a good team". Morris was a "promising" HC hire. McElwain was a "promising" HC hire. Sumlin was a "promisng" HC hire. Malzahn was a "promising" HC hire that actually worked out. Orgeron was a DL coach and a joke of a hire but he worked out. Lincoln Reilly was a promising OC hire and he's worked out so far.

Hiring coaches is a crapshoot any path you take. Personally I like hiring a G5 HC over a P5 OC, which I prefer to a P5 DC. If we think Moorhead was a bad hire then I don't know why we'd think Cohen would do better round 2.

If I had to make a hire I guess I'd get Napier from ULL, but for all we know he'll be worse than Moorhead.

Moorhead is recruiting well, so I say let him have year 3 and see if he's fixed some of his flaws. He can be a really good HC if he'd instill more physicality, learn to manage a game, and get the team to play with energy. And if he can't fix anything his recruiting will leave the next coach in a good place, so we didn't tank the program by keeping JoMo too long

This is a good post. I think the offense when run correctly works, the biggest problem I see is discipline and toughness as a whole. If Joe can fix that, he will be fine. Adaptability, I think, is what separates good coaches from great coaches. If Croom would've changed his offense that might have panned out better (he might have been remembered as a good coach), but instead he is what he is.

FWIW I just can't stand the discipline and toughness. Of all the issues to have those are the ones that kill me the most.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

That would be outstanding. Joe would be a great fit there. Let's make it happen.

The only reason Shrader is here is Moorhead. Hopefully he would stick around.

[TrapGame]

The only reason Shrader is here is Moorhead. Hopefully he would stick around.

With our historic luck this is what would happen:

Joe goes to Rutgers, takes Shrader with him, a few other coaches, may be even Shoop. He makes serious noise year one at Rutgers. Shrader looks phenomenal. Rutgers has massive improvement in year one and Joe's offense is a thing of beauty. Shoop makes their D look pretty damn good for Big10.

Mississippi State hires another P5 coordinator, instead of opening the checkbook, and we continue to shit the bed b/c that's what we do best.

[Cowbeller]

Football wise that would be a step backwards. But living just outside NYC vs Starkville May be tempting for a NE guy.

Bill Belichick is the next coach at MSU confirmed

[trojandawg]

I could see Moorhead wanting go back northeast. He has seemed annoyed at the standard he has been held to by the fan base.

[dantheman4248]

We lived through years of Dan Mullen threatening this. Tell his agent to kick rocks. If he gets a pay raise this year then it better mean we win the rest of the games. Otherwise the person suggesting give it to him should be fired and replaced. Weak.

[Tbonewannabe]

Hate to burst people's bubble but Schiano stepped down from the job he had with the Patriots to be able to accept the Rutgers job. Apparently, he talked it over with Belichek and they agreed for him to step down now to eliminate any distractions with the Patriots later. So it looks like the next Rutgers coach is Schiano unless something really crazy happens.

[msstate7]

Hate to burst people's bubble but Schiano stepped down from the job he had with the Patriots to be able to accept the Rutgers job. Apparently, he talked it over with Belichek and they agreed for him to step down now to eliminate any distractions with the Patriots later. So it looks like the next Rutgers coach is Schiano unless something really crazy happens.

So the pats have an open spot? Go for it, joe**

[dantheman4248]

Hate to burst people's bubble but Schiano stepped down from the job he had with the Patriots to be able to accept the Rutgers job. Apparently, he talked it over with Belichek and they agreed for him to step down now to eliminate any distractions with the Patriots later. So it looks like the next Rutgers coach is Schiano unless something really crazy happens.

Yep Moorhead’s name is only in it because his agent is doing his job and trying to finesse a raise out of us.

[shoeless joe]

Yep Moorhead’s name is only in it because his agent is doing his job and trying to finesse a raise out of us.

That stunt only works when your current employer DOESNT want you to leave

[CadaverDawg]

Yep Moorhead’s name is only in it because his agent is doing his job and trying to finesse a raise out of us.

If I'm Cohen and Joe or his agent even hints at a raise or extension.....

https://media.tenor.com/images/b8349dd14fa6fc6d2cb753b80fe4f4cb/tenor.gif

[RougeDawg]

I could see Moorhead wanting go back northeast. He has seemed annoyed at the standard he has been held to by the fan base.

You mean the extraordinary standard of not having a delay of game coming out of the opening kickoff? Or continuously allowing the defense to show a look to force you into the audible you?ve shown on tape dozens of times? Even after defensive coordinators have admitted that that?s what they have done and are doing? These are just a couple of examples. Tired of pointing out the obvious.